Choose Your Own $38 Million Starting Pitcher
Yesterday, Tyler Chatwood signed with the Cubs for $38 million over three years. Given his velocity and run prevention at altitude, there’s a reasonable case to be made that Chatwood comes with enough upside to make this a very intriguing bet by the Cubs.
But while Chatwood remains interesting, one thing he can’t be described as is durable. He’s had Tommy John surgery twice (once in high school), missed nearly all of the 2014 and 2015 seasons, and has never thrown more than 158 innings in a season. The history of guys who have already had Tommy John revision surgeries is not very good, and quite simply, Chatwood’s health is a legitimate question mark. While the Cubs bought some real upside here, there is also a non-zero chance that they just spent $38 million to watch Chatwood spend most of the next three years rehabbing his elbow.
So, if we were plotting all pitchers on a risk/reward graph, Chatwood would be about as far from the middle of the graph as a point gets. Interestingly, though, the market also recently decided that the guy at the very opposite end of this spectrum is also worth $38 million over three years.
At the end of August, the Mariners acquired Mike Leake from the Cardinals. At that point, Leake had about $55 million left on his deal, but the Cardinals kept $17 million of his remaining salary on their books, so the Mariners took $38 million of Leake’s deal, covering the last month of 2017 through the 2020 season. There was also a low-level prospect in the deal, but that was probably to offset the fact that the Cardinals sent the Mariners some international bonus money in the trade, as the team has been collecting money for Shohei Otani for a while now.
The Mariners effectively got Leake for 3/$38M without surrendering any real talent, much like if they signed him to that price as a free agent. And while 3/$38M got the Cubs some upside and risk, Leake brought the Mariners some fairly predictable stability. Leake has made 30 or more starts for six straight years. He has never had any kind of arm problem, only ending up on the disabled list for short stints due to a hamstring strain and shingles.
Like Chatwood, Leake is a groundball guy who doesn’t get that many strikeouts, though he gets even fewer of both. He compensates by throwing a ton of strikes, however, something Chatwood has not done regularly. After a velocity spike in 2015, Leake went back to sitting 91 last year, so he’s more of a traditional pitch-to-contact guy, while Chatwood is more of a guy who hasn’t got that many strikeouts but looks like maybe he could if he got away from Denver.
And yet, despite their differences, they’ve ended up at somewhat similar results overall.
| Name | BB% | K% | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA- | FIP- | xFIP- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mike Leake | 5.6 % | 16.2 % | 1.08 | 0.295 | 72.9 % | 101 | 103 | 97 |
| Tyler Chatwood | 10.7 % | 15.6 % | 0.93 | 0.301 | 72.9 % | 95 | 108 | 108 |
Chatwood has outperformed his FIP/xFIP, in part because he’s run low-for-Coors BABIPs during his time with the Rockies. Leake has gone the other way, running an ERA a bit lower than his FIP but higher than his xFIP, as he’s had a sustained home run problem that isn’t regressing to the mean. So, effectively, Leake has been a bit better when the ball isn’t put in play, thanks to a walk rate that is half of Chatwood’s, but Chatwood has been a bit better on contact, especially once you adjust for their home parks.
That said, we can strip out some of the effects of Coors — not all, since the altitude also affects pitch movement and selection — if we just look at exit velocity and launch angle data. And MLB uses those calculations, then adjusts for walks and strikeouts, to come up with their xwOBA calculation, so it rewards guys who legitimately are inducing weak contact. And here’s how these two compare over the last two years, since Chatwood has returned from TJ surgery.
| Name | wOBA | xwOBA |
|---|---|---|
| Mike Leake | 0.320 | 0.323 |
| Tyler Chatwood | 0.327 | 0.321 |
Unsurprisingly, the guy who pitches half his games in Coors Field has had worse results than his batted ball contact would suggest, but because he’s been a bit fortunate on getting balls in play turned into outs on the road, it’s not as dramatic a gap as one might expect. By both wOBA and xwOBA, Chatwood and Leake have been very similar the last few years.
But, teams aren’t paying for what players have done previously, and there are some more factors to adjust for when looking forward. For one, Leake is two years older, having just turned 30, while Chatowod turns 28 next week. Chatwood’s additiona velocity also gives him a higher floor to age from, as he can lose a few ticks and perhaps still be valuable, while Leake is closer to that line where a bit of velocity loss might turn him into a fringe starter.
Additionally, if Chatwood is healthy in October, he’s probably easier to deploy than Leake. Even if he doesn’t crack the Cubs playoff rotation, a guy who sits 95 and gets groundballs as a starter is the kind of arm a manager would have no problem trusting in high-leverage relief innings, so Chatwood could reasonably be expected to transition into something like the Kenta Maeda role if need be. Given the cost of relief pitching right now, having a guy could probably be an effective reliever if he doesn’t start in October gives the Cubs multiple chances to extract value from him in the postseason.
With Leake, if he’s not your #4 postseason starter, he might not even make the roster. He doesn’t have the kind of stuff that one would expect to play way up in the postseason, and his throw-strikes mindset isn’t what teams are looking for in high leverage, must-prevent-runs scenarios. And with teams refusing to let their starters dig big holes in the postseason anymore, even the idea of an October long reliever is now somewhat outdated, so if Leake doesn’t crack your playoff rotation to make one start per series, he might not help you in the postseason.
Leake and Chatwood are very different pitchers with very different repertoires and very different medicals. In both cases, the market valued them at 3/$38M. So, let’s put this to a poll. For $38 million, would you rather have the safe strike thrower or the risky stuff guy who might benefit from leaving Coors Field?
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
I believe the headline needs a little tweak…
FYI typos below xwOBA chart:
“…while Chatowod turns 28 next week. Chatwood’s additiona velocity…”
His additiona gives his velocity more power and break.
Doesn’t this greatly depend on the current roster construction of your team? If you need an innings eater, go Leake. If you have enough depth and want an upside play, go Chatwood. I suppose in a vacuum I’d go Chatwood because of the upside.
The Mariners gave up a 50 FV prospect for Leake
They gave him up for Gonzales, not Leake
I am still baffled by that trade.
Whoops. I’m an idiot. Thanks for setting me straight.
I think you are seeing the difference in philosophy of the 2 teams. A team that is already a playoff team, Chicago, can afford to take the risk on a higher upside guy who may not go the whole season healthy. On the flip, Seattle needs the stability of solid innings just to help get them to the possibility of the playoffs. They don’t have the depth to take the flier and have it not work out.
Hmm, a guy with elite control that is a model of consistency, or a guy who can’t stay healthy and is coming off of a season where his BB rate mirrored 2007 Daniel Cabrera…
A guy who’s been league-average or worse almost every season of his career, or a guy who’s got upside to be a #2 starter?
Over the last 2 seasons he’s averaged 2.8 WAR per 30 starts, is that the new league average? That is basically the upside of Chatwood
Leake has the far superior K-BB% and xFIP- over the past two years. I think those skills are more likely to translate across league and park than Chatwood’s contact management. Leake it is for me.
Pitching at Coors can make a guy irrationally (or perhaps it is rationally) fearful of throwing strikes, such that the pitcher develops/adopts a bad approach to pitching, and associated bad habits, that negatively affects their entire body of work and not just their Coors appearances. It is entirely possible that, freed from the psychological straitjacket of pitching in Coors, Chatwood may have a significant improvement in his overall control.
I would agree except his walks on the road are nearly identical. He will be better at Chicago, but he won’t live up to the contract unless he figures out how to stop walking guys. However, its not a ridiculous contract and its definitely better than Brett Anderson.
You sorta missed my point. It is not as simple as looking at home/road splits. Some Colorado pitchers change their approach so much because of Coors that it changes how they pitch on the road as well.
It is not easy to take different approaches to home starts and road starts, and some guys cannot do it effectively, so they walk just as many on the road as at Coors.
Getting away from Coors entirely can allow some guys to fluorish, not just because they are no longer dealing with the thin air at Coors, but because it allows them to pitch with a consistent approach for all their starts.
Read Eno’s breakdown on Chatwood yesterday and the comp to Leake becomes moot very quickly.
Except that it’s based on 40 curveballs away at the end of the season.
Career sink is far more predictive than any 40 pitch sample.
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=543022&b_hand=-1&time=month&minmax=ci&var=pfx_z&s_type=2&startDate=03/01/2017&endDate=12/07/2017&gFilt=&pFilt=CU|CS
There is nothing that suggest, at a high predictive value, that Chatwood’s curveball will have elite sink. Pitch movement only ‘stabilizes’ quickly in the sense that a small sample will be more predictive than ‘average movement for average pitchers.’ Fluxuations from career norms (regarding pitch movement) do not, however, quickly become more predictive than the career average. Chatwood is very likely to continue to have curveball sink around 7-8.
I think I pick Chatwood simply because he’s younger and because it’s always a decent idea to take chances on guys coming out of Coors. But realistically…if I’m the Mariners and I desperately need arms I would take either one. And if I’m some other team with more pitching I might be hesitant to go for either.
Is there any evidence at all that taking a chance on a guy leaving Coors is smart? I like the theory just fine, but I can’t think of a single SP besides Pomeranz who left Coors and did better after leaving.
Hammel’s best 2 seasons (09, 10) were at Coors. Did ok after.
Jimenez’s best 3 seasons (08-10) were at Coors.
Chacon’s best 3 seasons (10, 11, 13) were at Coors.
Jennings’ best 5 seasons were at Coors (02-06).
Ditto Francis, De La Rosa, Cook, Kennedy, etc.
Nearly all Rockies SPs that left had 1 good season elsewhere at best, and then went belly up and were out of the league- Hammel and now Pomeranz proving ok exceptions- though it’s not like Hammel’s K rate has risen notably,
Admittedly it’s not a big sample of guys, but plenty have left Coors and not seen their stuff play up.
Maybe Nicasio? His highest WAR was at Coors but as a SP- it is notable, however, that his xFIP this season was 3.63, neither a career high nor far off his career 3.93 average. At least he finally put up a decent ERA, albeit for 70 IPs.
Pomeranz is a decent reason for hope.
Your arguing that pitchers don’t do better away from Coors? Hilarious. Hammel’s best years were at Coors? Flawed. Advanced metrics are not needed to illustrate what everyone in the game already knows about Coors and it;’s severe splits. They put their game balls in a humidor for goodness sakes.
The biggest problem with your analysis is that most of those players spent their peaks at Coors, with the exception of Pomeranz. Thus, they are most likely doing better at Coors because they are in their prime. (Ubaldo is the big exception)
Of course, what that really means is that there’s no real way to know, and my point is just more speculation (hey, maybe a change of scenery will help!)
The bigger point is that Chatwood is young enough that the decline shouldn’t be setting in quite yet.
This article offers a false dichotomy: the choice isn’t only Leake or Chatwood (though Leake has the edge by projections).
Rich Hill signed last year for AAV of $16m (48/3)
Jason Hammel took $16/2 for AAV of $8, provided 2.1 WAR last year
Charlie Morton took $14/2
Ivan Nova took $26/3, provided 2.1 WAR
All these options provided better value, one of them being a star with huge health problems (Hill), the other three being cheaper options than the $38/3 price point held up in this example.
There isn’t a ton of FA value in the ‘multi-year deals over $10 AAV’ portion of the market unless it is for superstars. The value curve for free agency is U shaped- the mediocre guys in the middle are the worst value.
IMO, the Cubs would have done much better either:
(a) going for a cheaper Hammel/Nova type to get the mediocre production at less cost
(b) relying on Beeler for the mediocre performance, or getting a Rule 5 guy like Nestor Cortes and using the spare money to either get a true star, or put it in the ‘get out of Heyward contract’ fund.
“There isn’t a ton of FA value in the ‘multi-year deals over $10 AAV’ portion of the market unless it is for superstars. The value curve for free agency is U shaped- the mediocre guys in the middle are the worst value.”
Matt Swartz’s July 2017 article here ( https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-linearity-of-cost-per-win/ ) shows this claim not to be the case. There’s no evidence that the bottom or top of the market by AAV are consistently better deals on a $ per WAR basis than the middle of the market. That makes sense, because some of the high AAV free agent deals have worked out pretty well (Scherzer, Lester’s contract looks pretty good, Holliday’s deal with the Cardinals) but a whole lot of them have also been fiascoes for the team (Price isn’t looking good, Pujols, Heyward, Fielder)
I like my chances with Chatwood.
Leake gets a small bonus from giving his team some extra value with his bat and his fielding, but that gets mostly negated in the AL. I think it’s a little bit closer for NL teams. I’ll also point out that starters are healthy until they’re not. We don’t know much about pitcher health, but we do know that the act of pitching is the worst thing for a pitcher; should we really give Leake a health bonus when he has logged that many innings and is over 30 years old?
I’d take Chatwood if I had some starting depth behind him and I’d take Leake if I already had one or two upside starters on the team. Chatwood would be more useful for a fringe playoff team who needs some upside luck, like the Brewers. It’s impossible to pick one over the other without knowing the team’s composition. I guess the main idea we can take from this article is that 1 WAR isn’t necessarily equal to another player’s WAR when you factor in health and durability.