Comparing the Dexter Fowler and Adam Eaton Decisions
Last Wednesday, the Nationals solved their center field problem by trading several of their best pitching prospects to the Chicago White Sox in exchange for Adam Eaton. Last Friday, the Cardinals solved their center field problem by giving a bunch of money to free agent Dexter Fowler. Before signing Fowler, the Cardinals tried to trade for Eaton. Had the Nationals not been able to complete a deal for Eaton, they presumably would have been in on Fowler. So, with two teams making different decisions about big investments into how to land a center fielder, let’s compare the two players and the costs it took to acquire them.
Helpfully, Eaton and Fowler are actually pretty similar players. Let’s just start with their offensive skillsets.
| Name | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | wRC+ | BsR | Off |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adam Eaton | 1933 | 9% | 17% | 0.132 | 0.343 | 0.290 | 0.362 | 0.422 | 0.344 | 117 | 12 | 50 |
| Dexter Fowler | 1746 | 13% | 22% | 0.153 | 0.334 | 0.266 | 0.369 | 0.419 | 0.348 | 121 | 10 | 52 |
Eaton has slightly better contact skills, so he strikes out a little bit less, but Fowler has a better idea of the strike zone, so he walks a little more. Fowler has a little more power, though not dramatically so. Both are very good baserunners. In the end, they’ve been almost equivalent offensive producers over the last three years.
Defensively, there’s some question marks with both players. Neither one has graded out all that well in center field by either UZR or DRS, but there are reasons to be optimistic about both going forward as defenders at the position.
The Cubs repositioned Fowler last year, and as a result, he was rated as an average defender by both UZR and DRS for the first time in his career. Fowler has always been a guy that scouts thought was better than his defensive metrics suggested, and it’s certainly possible that playing deeper was the simple change he needed to make, which could help him perform better than his track record suggests.
With Eaton, his defensive marks in center aren’t great, but he was rated as one of the game’s elite defenders as a right fielder last year, combining something like league-best range in right field with the most effective throwing arm of any outfielder in the game. And, as Mitchel Lichtman showed over the weekend, the preponderance of the evidence shows that there isn’t really center field defense or right field defense, and the fact that Eaton was staggeringly good in right field means he is very likely to be a better center fielder than his CF-only numbers indicate.
So for both Fowler and Eaton, we have inconsistent defensive data, with the most recent results being much more positive than the older data. Given that you don’t want to draw sweeping conclusions from a single year of defensive data, we still have to include the prior information in our projections of their performance, and not treat them as if 2016 was some kind of new baseline for established performance. With that data included and weighted most heavily, though, both project as slightly below average defenders in center, though with Eaton projecting a few runs better with the glove. Like on offense, though, there isn’t a huge gap here.
So both are good hitters with average-ish gloves in center (though STL and WAS are likely hoping for better than that based on their 2016 numbers), so depending on how much of their offensive performance they retain, that makes them something like +3 WAR players. Steamer is projecting some pretty significant offensive regression for both, with 107/106 wRC+ projections for Fowler and Eaton respectively, while ZIPS was a bit more optimistic about Fowler’s bat, and likely will be with Eaton too, given the differences in aging curves the two systems use.
And, of course, age is a key here, and the place where these two similar players diverge. The Cardinals five year deal for Fowler buys his age 31-35 seasons, while the Nationals traded for the final five years of Eaton’s contract, which gets them his age 28-32 seasons. While it’s instructive to know that Eaton and Fowler are similar players now, our expectation of future production necessarily has to be more optimistic for Eaton, given that he’s three years younger. As a super-basic look at how we might expect age to play into their value, here is what we get from our contract estimating tool, if we start both players as +3 WAR players for 2017.
| Year | Age | WAR | $/WAR | Est. Contract |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2017 | 28 | 3.0 | $8.0 M | $24.0 M |
| 2018 | 29 | 3.0 | $8.4 M | $25.2 M |
| 2019 | 30 | 3.0 | $8.8 M | $26.5 M |
| 2020 | 31 | 2.5 | $9.3 M | $23.2 M |
| 2021 | 32 | 2.0 | $9.7 M | $19.4 M |
| Totals | 13.5 | $118.3 M |
Assumptions
Value: $8M/WAR with 5.0% inflation (for first 5 years)
Aging Curve: +0.25 WAR/yr (18-27), 0 WAR/yr (28-30),-0.5 WAR/yr (31-37),-0.75 WAR/yr (> 37)
| Year | Age | WAR | $/WAR | Est. Contract |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2017 | 31 | 3.0 | $8.0 M | $24.0 M |
| 2018 | 32 | 2.5 | $8.4 M | $21.0 M |
| 2019 | 33 | 2.0 | $8.8 M | $17.6 M |
| 2020 | 34 | 1.5 | $9.3 M | $13.9 M |
| 2021 | 35 | 1.0 | $9.7 M | $9.7 M |
| Totals | 10.0 | $86.3 M |
Assumptions
Value: $8M/WAR with 5.0% inflation (for first 5 years)
Aging Curve: +0.25 WAR/yr (18-27), 0 WAR/yr (28-30),-0.5 WAR/yr (31-37),-0.75 WAR/yr (> 37)
Note that, at $8 million per win and Fowler as a +3 WAR player, the contract estimator basically nailed the deal Fowler actually signed this winter, so there’s some basis in reality here, even though the assumptions are definitely imprecise. And because of the differences in age, Eaton is expected to put up an additional +3.5 WAR over the life of the deal, earning something like an extra $32 million in value for the Nationals with that additional performance.
Plus, of course, the contracts are quite different. Fowler is going to make $82.5 million over the next five years, while Eaton will make $38.4 million during the same time period, assuming his 2020/2021 options are exercised. The fact that the last two years of Eaton’s deals are option years makes his deal even more team-friendly, as the Nationals exposure is limited if he’s a total bust, but then again, at $10 million per year, the cost is low enough that Eaton would have to crater in an unimaginable way for them to not pick those up. Realistically, we should expect both of those options to be exercised, and can reasonably say that the difference in cost over the next five years is something like $44 million in salary.
So Eaton costs $44 million less in salary and is expected to be worth about $32 million more in performance value; you can see why the Nationals considered him a more preferable option, and were willing to give up significant value to land him from the White Sox. Plus, signing Fowler also cost the Cardinals their 2017 first round draft choice, so we have to account for the tax that goes with signing him as well. Major League teams are valuing end-of-first-round picks at around $10 million apiece these days, so Fowler really cost more like $92.5 million when that is factored in.
With salary, draft pick tax, and aging factored in, these numbers give Eaton something like an $85 million advantage in value. So, to decide whether which team made out better with their center field decision, we have to decide whether we think the prospects the Nationals gave up are worth more than $85 million.
If we just combined the most recent Baseball America rankings — their mid-season Top 100 from July — with the 2016 prospect surplus value calculations, the answer would be an easy yes. Giolito ranked as the #4 prospect in baseball on BA’s summer list, which would make him worth something like $70 million by himself; toss in Lopez as a top-50 pitcher too (another $30 million), plus Dunning having some value as a recent first-round pick, and it’s easy to see why the general consensus seems to be that that the Nationals overpaid here. If Giolito/Lopez are worth more than $100 million in value, then the Nationals should have just signed Fowler instead.
But as we talked about last week, there are a lot of reasons to think that Giolito’s mid-season ranking isn’t a very good indicator of his actual current market value. Giolito has always been a stuff-over-results prospect, but the stuff wasn’t that great in the big leagues, and he wasn’t missing enough bats in the minors to justify that kind of high-end valuation. From KATOH’s stats-only perspective, Giolito ranked as the game’s 74th best prospect in its midseason update, and that was before he bombed in the big leagues.
Talking with a variety of people in the game at the winter meetings last week, it’s pretty clear that Giolito’s stock is down around the game, and there’s a decent amount of skepticism about whether there’s really top-of-the-rotation talent there. Multiple industry folks confirmed that their own internal rankings had him more in the 25-50 range, and that they put a significantly lower value on him than the $70 million valuation that would be expected if he was a legitimate top-10 pitching prospect.
So, realistically, the Fowler/Eaton decision probably comes down to what you think of Giolito at this point. If you see him as a legitimate high-end pitching prospect, still one of the game’s elite prospects, then the Nationals probably gave up more in prospect value than they saved by going with the cheaper and younger Eaton. If you see Giolito as a star in the making, then yeah, they should have just signed Fowler.
But if you see Giolito as more of a standard top 100 pitching prospect, a guy with a good amount of risk to go along with a solid upside, then it’s not so cut-and-dried. If Giolito and Lopez are both middle-of-the-top-100 prospects, both worth about $30 to $40 million, and you give another $10 million or so to Dunning, then the prospect package the Nationals gave up is almost exactly equal to the extra value Eaton would project to have over Fowler.
Except, there’s actually one other area where Eaton provides a fairly substantial advantage for Washington; the luxury tax. The Nationals are actually fairly close to the $195 million CBT threshold, and signing a guy like Fowler would have probably put them over the line, or at least made it close enough that he would have been their only significant free agent signing of the winter. With Eaton’s AAV being less than half of Fowler’s number, he provides space for Washington make a run at another free agent this winter, likely a reliever to help bolster a group that lost Mark Melancon and Marc Rzepczynski to free agency. They probably don’t get Kenley Jansen with that savings, but maybe Eaton’s cheap contract gives them the runway to sign a guy like Greg Holland.
So, at the risk of writing 2,000 words without coming to a conclusion, I’m not sure I see a clear advantage for either option here. Eaton’s cost-savings and age are real advantages, and the extra short-term boost the Nationals could potentially get thanks to his lower CBT number probably make trading for him a better short-term play than signing Fowler would be. Then again, Giolito and Lopez might have been able to fill the bullpen holes the Nationals now have, so perhaps they would not have needed to sign a reliever if they had just signed Fowler instead. And of course, having both of those guys around, you could have continued to bet on their long-term upside, and perhaps come out well ahead if Giolito turned into what he’s been projected as.
But there’s a real chance that Giolito’s value has already peaked, and he’ll be something like Archie Bradley a year from now, a formerly elite pitching prospect who looks more like a back-end starter after struggling against big league hitters. If that’s more of what you expect from Giolito, then cashing him in to save $50 million in salary and get the younger center fielder is probably not a bad idea.
Forced to make a choice, and not knowing what else the Nationals could have gotten for that pair of arms, I think I probably would have just signed Fowler, hoped Lopez turned into the high-end relief arm the Nationals could use, and maybe shopped Giolito for something else, perhaps a better 1B/OF than Ryan Zimmerman or Jayson Werth. But given the costs and expected performances of both Fowler and Eaton, I think it’s fair to say that there are reasons to prefer either option, and the Nationals didn’t clearly screw up by trading for Eaton instead of just throwing more money at Fowler.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
Acquiring Eaton also allowed the Nationals to shed Danny Espinosa’s $5m contract, which in and of itself is more than 10% of the financial commitment to Eaton. This deal is really all about the $$$$ for the Nats. They’re carrying a lot of dead weight this season in Werth and Zimmerman.
Had they signed Fowler, would Espinoza not been DFA’ed as well?
Arguable. He might have been the starting SS. Eaton enabled the Nats to move Turner to SS.
So signing Fowler wouldn’t have allowed the Nats to move Turner to SS?
Agreed, it is all about the $$$$ for Nats. After Espinosa trade, the 2017 payroll is projected at 147M (plus salary for back end bullpen addition). Aside from MASN deal holdup, Zimmerman’s declining performance at 46M for next three years is their real fiscal problem. Nats are tight on payroll and are nowhere close to competing with the financial elite of BOS, NYY, CHC, LAD, SFG.
Conclusion: The market is getting pretty good at setting similar prices on players of similar value.
“Market Reasonably Efficient, Prospect Value Uncertain” isn’t an eye catching headline is it?
Now that essentially no front offices are staffed by total dodo birds, this offseason stuff has become somewhat less interesting
We just have to wait for the next Dave Stewart to come along and make things exciting again.
#Makewintermeetingsgreatagain
What this says to me is the Cardinals made the right decision not to trade for Eaton as the price would have been Alex Reyes, Luke Weaver and probably Jack Flaherty. (Picking similarly ranked prospects) Although Reyes seems to be near MLB ready and with less concerns than Giolito. The cost was too high for STL and would have taken the 3 best pitching prospects they have.
Reyes has much less concerns than Giolito. I don’t think STL would have had to have given up their 3 best pitching prospects for Eaton. Giolito is not ready for the MLB. Unfortunately, like just about any other pitching prospect, Giolito may never be ready for the MLB. That’s while they are called prospects.
I don’t think Reyes has “much less concerns”. For all the hand-wringing people are doing over 21 IP of big league ball, Giolito has consistently put up very solid numbers in the minors, including a pretty dominant short spell in AAA in 2016.
Reyes, however, has always struggled with his command. He sports a professional BB/9 over 4.5. Both are rightly considered top prospects, but it’s pretty crazy how many people are dismissing Giolito based on 21 innings they didn’t see.
I agree that Reyes’ command is a concern, but he’s also shown significantly better ability to miss bats than Giolito. Reyes’ K rate in AA and AAA has been 32% to 36%, Giolito’s has been 22 to 27%. The difference was even more dramatic in their respective MLB call-ups last year: 27.5% K rate for Reyes and 10.9% K rate for Giolito. As Jeff Sullivan pointed out, Giolito’s swinging strike rate was down around names like Ryan Vogelsong: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/why-the-nationals-would-trade-lucas-giolito/ . And, per the Fangraphs library, pitcher K rate is a stat that stabilizes quickly, specifically at about 70 batters faced.
All that said, Giolito could very well put it together, and Reyes could very well struggle in the future. But it’s going to be a concern for Giolito if he doesn’t show dominant strikeout results, because his prospect ranking is based on the idea that his stuff should add up to being a swing-and-miss pitcher.
Clayton Kershaw sported a 8.7% swinging strike rate in his first season, in what was an all-around unimpressive first taste of big league ball in 2008. He’s since steadily increased that to an elite mid 15%. I wish I could go back and write an article about how Kershaw’s rookie season swinging strike rate was among the likes of the Chad Bettises and Edinson Volquezes of the world.
Or in 2015 written about Aaron Sanchez’s futility due to his inability to strike out batters (only 16% in 92 IP, and 18-25% throughout the minors).
Or the same about Rick Porcello or Jake Arrieta in their first seasons.
All the above pitchers (barring Kershaw) prove that you don’t need elite strikeout numbers to be elite starting pitchers, and that pitchers routinely hit some bumps along the way (even the best of them). We’ve become spoiled with so many prospects like Syndergaard and Strasburg hitting the ground running, that we’ve forgotten that they don’t always do that.
Scouts have raved about Giolito for five years now. If 21 big league innings could suddenly alter that opinion, then I’d begin to question the quality of their work.
Kershaw in 2008 is not at all a good example to support your point. He struck out 21% of batters faced in the majors. He totaled 1.5 WAR (looking at either fWAR or RA-9 WAR) in 107.2 innings, so he was an above league average starting pitcher on a rate basis. Not yet elite, but rate production of a solid mid-rotation starter. And Kershaw did all that as a 20 year old who had never pitched in AAA and had only pitched 86 innings in AA.
Jeff Sullivan mentioned Sanchez as an encouraging comp for Giolito. None of this is to say that Giolito is doomed to bust, but the valid point from both Cameron and Sullivan is that historical analysis shows much more value for the truly elite, top 5 or 10 overall pitching prospects than for ones who are solid prospects in the top 50 or so overall prospects. And scouts sometimes miss on a prospect: that’s in the nature of the job of trying to project not just what a player is but what he’s going to be after another few years of development.
There are reports (Keith Law, for one) that the Nationals tinkered with Giolito’s mechanics to his detriment thus causing his uninspired 2016 performance.
Until the White Sox (that is, Don Cooper) work with him, Giolito’s actual value remains in question.
Law reported on that in May. Giolito was reported to have switched back some time in mid-May. It’s a plausible story, for if you look through his game logs, he struggled mightily with his command to start the season (hence the slightly inflated BB rate in AA), but settled back into form June onward when he went back to old way of doing things. It wouldn’t explain his big league struggles, but it does explain his jump in walks in AA.
It seems to me that, to the Nationals, the dollars were more important than the prospects because of their proximity to the luxury tax threshold. To the Cards, however, the opposite is true. The Nats, by most indications, have a stronger farm than the Cards (and a much higher payroll) so the Cards could better afford to pay with money than prospects.
There’s an argument to be made that both slightly overpaid but the Nats would have probably preferred to have overpaid with prospects rather than dollars, whereas the Cards would probably have preferred to have overpaid with dollars than prospects.
Pretty fair write up. Also have to consider that the Nats rotation is pretty set now for the next couple of yrs so they should be commended for selling high on a couple of arms they may not have had a role for and whose value may have dropped as a result. And Adam Eatons don’t become available every day. They jumped on the opportunity. It’s exciting to have a GM who isn’t shy about making bold moves.
The Nationals are likely to exercise Gio Gonzalez’s buyout following the upcoming season, Joe Ross has never pitched more than 105 innings in a major league season, and Strasburg has averaged just over 160 innings during the last five seasons. So it’s likely that the Nationals will need at least one and probably two if not all of Fedde, Voth, and Cole to step up in a big way over the next couple of years.
That’s fine, but they had obviously soured on Giolito and/or had begun to believe the whispers from some that he was over-rated. Good for them that they were still able to ride his phat prospect status into a big return.
Let’s assume that Giolito was overrated and is no longer viewed as a potential #1 starter. He wouldn’t drop from that to being garbage. He, Lopez, and Dunning all have significant arm talent. The Nationals do have other pitching prospects so perhaps they won’t end up missing those guys, but it’s a lot to give up for a player who fits best at the same position as Harper.
Does “exercise” a buyout mean buy him out or exercise his option? No idea why they wouldn’t exercise his option at what, $12M?
Their biggest rotation issue will continue to be the health of Stras.
They just got rid of 1-2 WAR Danny Espinosa to save $5 million, but apparently the 2018 option becomes guaranteed if Gonzalez reaches 180 innings next season.
Dave–smart writeup–really good work. Do you think Chicago factored in Washington’s luxury tax issues when making their demands?
Eaton has been better than Fowler all of the last 3 years (3.1/3.7/6.0 vs 1.5/3.3/4.7). Fowler also is a lock for the DL at least once per year. Eaton is the better player, and likely acquired for the lesser cost.
“End of first round picks are valued at $10 million.”
So what about #18 picks? Thats what the Cards gave up for Fowler and it could move up still if someone signs a QO player above them.
I’ve seen estimates as high as $35-37 million value for #18 pick. We know it’s a loss of about 2.5 million to the teams draft pool.
It’s nowhere near $35 million. It might be $15M on the high side. Teams have different ways of valuing picks, but it’s $10 to $15M, something like that.
Yeah, I’m not really one to argue with projections, but I really struggle with projecting Eaton and Fowler the same moving forward. The difference in Eaton’s 3 year WAR (12.8) dwarfs Fowler’s (9.5) to the point that it, itself, is a full season of value. Add in that Eaton is the significantly younger player and I don’t buy that Fowler and Eaton are equal assets over the next 5 years. Cost aside, I think based on recent past performance and Father Time that I’d rather have Eaton no matter what. So, if the cost was similar (as the post implies, depending on Giolito), then it’s a clear win for Washington.
Who projected them as the same? The article projected Eaton was being worth over $30M more while being paid much less.
What was being called equal was each players projections, salaries and acquisition costs all put together.
The projections for next year are equal. I don’t think that’s warranted, personally.
But yeah, I overstated what Dave actually asserted here. You’re right.
This article doesn’t touch much on the upside of both players; either one could turn into a 5 win player. Fowler will have to do so with his bat while maintaining his defensive improvements, while Eaton could do so with a move back to RF where his defense scouts as elite.
You can dream on both of these guys and not be crazy, but I think eaton’s defense is easier to bet on than fowler continuing to hit at an elite level.
Something i wasn’t thinking about. When doing these types of evaluations, you guys always put a value on the cost of the draft pick sacrificed by signing a QO attatched FA. However, you never mention that in 4 years a player like Eaton will most likely get a QO offered to him. Doesn’t that add some value to him as it could result in a draft pick for the Nats?
The current FO wouldn’t place much value on the possibility of getting a pick in the 2022 draft. Odds are good none of them still work there by the time that player becomes relevant.
Right. Plus the compensation in the next CBA is much less generous.
Well, Fowler can also get a QO. I suppose the chances for Eaton are a bit higher because he’s young, but that’s hard to peg for 2022.
If Eaton performs to his long-term projection, by the end of his contract he’ll be a 2 WAR player on the old side of the aging curve, projected for 1.5 WAR the next season. That’s not a player who would be a slam dunk to get a QO, because he might take it in preference to the free agent market. (He could of course outperform his projection so that a QO looks like a no-brainer, but he could also underperform his projection so that not offering him a QO is an easy call.)
Perhaps the wrong place to ask, but how does this conclusion:
“the preponderance of the evidence shows that there isn’t really center field defense or right field defense”
reconcile with this perspective:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/making-yoenis-cespedes-look-better/
(Appreciating the Cespedes specifics were LF/CF, the broader point from the MGL piece still applies: “As far as we can tell there is simply no such thing (to any significant or identifiable degree) as an outfielder who is more suited to one OF position than another. There is outfield defense – period.” So is the Cespedes issue that Jeff raised just noise?)
Lichtman’s piece also appears to be completely at odds with Eno’s recent work on how balls hit to different parts of the outfield behave differently. While I’m a big fan of doing research that challenges our perceptions, it feels like a mistake to make the conclusion he did based on large buckets of data without context. His hypothesis is interesting and merits further investigation, but it would be hasty to assume that he’s correct when nothing else appears to agree with him.
No, that is absolutely not what Lichtman’s piece means even if his hypothesis regarding no difference between outfield positions is correct, which I highly doubt that it is. If Lichtman is correct then what it actually means is that Eaton’s supposed improvement in right field was the fluke and that the preponderance of evidence demonstrating that Eaton is a below average outfielder defensively is the result that 2016 will be regressed towards.
It’s fair to say that, if you accept that there really isn’t a CF-specific skillet, Eaton’s numbers in 2016 improve the expectation for his future performance in CF. They don’t overwrite the substantial evidence that he isn’t great out there, but they do move the average expectation, especially if you put a premium on the latest information given the possibility that skills change over time.
Prior to 2016 we had 2,741.2 innings of Adam Eaton in center field indicating that he was somewhere between slightly to well below average there. In 2016 we had another 372.2 innings in center field added to the sample that continued to indicate that he was below average. The only contradictory evidence we have is from Eaton’s time in right field. Eaton’s Range Runs Above Average in center field last season came in roughly halfway between what he posted in 2014 and 2015, so there was no recorded improvement in that respect. His arm rating improved, and that’s something he had reportedly worked on, so it’s fair to think he should be able to sustain that, but even with that improvement it still left him below average in center after having been below average in center field for every other season of his career as well. The only outlier is his time in right field, and as noted, that sample is significantly smaller than the sample that has established below average defensive performance for him as a center fielder. If you don’t accept a RF-specific skill set then the only conclusion is that last year’s RF numbers grossly overstated his defensive proficiency given that the CF struggles come from a much larger sample.
Exceptionally well-said.
“If you don’t accept a RF-specific skill set then the only conclusion is that last year’s RF numbers grossly overstated his defensive proficiency given that the CF struggles come from a much larger sample.”
No, the other possible conclusion is his actual expected go-forward talent level is a blend of the numbers in RF and CF. That’s particularly the case since the publicly available defensive stats stabilize only after large samples – about 3 years, IIRC. That would say that his one year performance in right field overstated his proficiency, but it’s absolutely plausible that roughly two seasons worth of play in CF understated his proficiency by a meaningful margin.
Eaton has 3115.1 career innings in center field, which is roughly equivalent to three years worth of playing time there. The entirety of that sample has consistently shown him to be somewhere between slightly to well below average defensively in center field. You’re the one wanting to weight the much smaller sample in right field just as strongly. It is possible that his 3115.1 career center field innings understated his proficiency by a meaningful margin, but it is extremely unlikely. If there is no such thing as a RF-specific skill set, which I don’t believe is correct anyway, then the clear conclusion is that last year’s RF numbers should not be used to represent his future defensive value given that they are the outlier at odds with the rest of his career.
Yes, that is the conclusion you’d draw if you had no ability to observe the data at hand. But if you watched any White Sox games last season, it would be eminently clear that Eaton’s elite RF defense was NOT the outlier.
For reference: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-watch-adam-eaton-save-12-runs/ (this entirely from the first MONTH of the season).
willl, I’m fine with the eye test saying that Eaton was very good defensively in right field, but that same eye test tells us that he was still bad during those 372.2 innings in center field last season.
I wonder if the Nationals felt like they were ultimately going to sign Jansen and so chose Eaton for financial reasons. Or put another way, now that KJ is headed back to LA I wonder if the Nats would have preferred to sign Fowler and use the prospects elsewhere.
Or to put it yet another way … one more FA turned down a higher $$$ offer to play somewhere other than Washington, so perhaps trading for players is the only thing Rizzo can do with certainty.
A good point. DC does not appear to be a popular destination, much to my chagrin.
Who are all these free agents turning down the Nats?
Who among them turned down more money from the Nats to go elsewhere?
Who among them was it a real loss to not sign?
It seems like (for better or for worse) the Nats FO is very disciplined/strict about their player valuations.
Offered Heyward over $200 million, he took less to go to the Cubs. Reportedly beat the offer Mets made to Cespedes, but he turned them down as well (the first time around, not this most recent time). Outbid Dodgers for Jansen, he wanted to stay in LA. So it can’t just be chalked up to player valuations. And yeah, they may dodged a bullet on the JH deal, but overall struggling to attract the big FAs can’t be a good thing. Link below also talks about Zobrist and Darren O’Day.
http://www.masnsports.com/nationals-pastime/2016/01/you-cant-always-get-what-you-want.html
You can’t just do a straight dollar comparison though because all these big-money offers the Nats have made to free agents include significant deferred money. I believe that the Heyward offer, for example, was about the same as the offer he actually signed when the deferred money is taken into the account. Likewise with Cespedes, and maybe Zobrist too although I don’t remember all the details.
Good point. At least in the case of KJ, though, they seem top have straight up outbid the Dodgers. And they offered Cespedes 5 years to the Mets 3, if memory serves, though opt-out details etc. are clearly important there. Still, they keep coming up empty.
Zobrist signed with his former manager, O’Day returned to his old club. The Cespedes one is the only one that really stands out, but remember the deal he took was 27.5M for 1 year, with the club that he just played for, and he subsequently signed for 4/110 after opting out – did DC go as far as to offer 5/135?
Anyhow, this is a baseball stats site and we should know that going 0-4 on a day says absolutely nothing about a hitter. They got Scherzer, after all.
I don’t think it’s necessarily the case that the random variation that governs an 0-4 is at play in FA. At the very least the variation in the latter is much smaller. Besides, the point here is really the fact that there are rumblings about the Nats clubhouse. They got Scherzer a while ago, and since then have consistently missed even when they have the biggest offer on the table. It may very well be more than just a random 0-4.
“Since then” consists of all of one offseason. What exactly is that supposed to prove?
I’m not really sure what your point is. Yes, it might all just be coincidence. It also might not be:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/01/25/ken-rosenthal-says-free-agents-view-nationals-as-toxic/
If you don’t think that has anything to do with it, fine, I won’t try to persuade you otherwise. But it’s a perfectly justifiable thing to worry about for those of us who would like to see some premium FAs in DC.
Edit: Oh yeah, that link reminds me of two more names to add, Justin Upton and Brandon Phillips. Phillips is particularly troublesome since he nixed a trade to a contender from a terrible team.
Then again, Phillips may be of the mind to turn down any trade the Reds may try to make. He may just enjoy playing for the Reds that much despite being a terrible team.
Nice write up. If Rizzo changed his mind about Giolito, the failure to trade him last summer cost the Nats $30 to $40mm.
I have to question a basic premise of the author’s analysis: Why would Adam Eaton be a mere 3.0 WAR guy in 2017, when he has averaged between 4.2 and 5.1 WAR over the past three years, depending on whether one uses B-Ref, Fangraphs, or BPro? Given Eaton’s age, his durability, his tremendous track record across every publicly available WAR valuation system, and his outstanding minor league numbers (career slash of .350/.450/.500), I’d happily take the over on 3.0 WAR and give 5-2 odds to anybody wanting the under, if not 3-1.
Eaton’s been a full-time MLB starter for three years, has been better and more durable than Fowler every year, and he’s multiple years younger. Maybe I’m too tough on Dex, but I don’t see the two as equivalent talents — now or moving forward.