Dan Szymborski FanGraphs Chat – 5/20/2019
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: Unleash the Chatken!
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| 12:04 |
: How impactful are hitting coaches really? Do you think there is anything to the correlation between Mets, Cubs, and Red Sox all struggling under Chili Davis, with a complete lack of power?
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| 12:05 |
: That’s a tricky thing in that’s it hard to really separate out a hitting coach’s contribution. It’s more of a leadership role for the manager to figure out than anything that is data driven.
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: Unless someone smarter than me has found a way to isolate hitting coaches.
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: Do you have confidence in Matt Carpenter and/or Jesus Aguilar to turn things around this year?
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: Carp more.
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| 12:05 |
: Do you think Hiura locks down the 2B job or does he get sent back down at the first sign of Shaw showing life?
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| 12:06 |
: I don’t necessarily think he locks up the job, but if Shaw shows some life, I expect the Brewers to be more flexible with the positions of some of these guys, a la the Tigers.
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| 12:06 |
: Does ZiPS update midseason for minors guys? Ex, does Yordan Alvarez’s offensive output look better with the year he is having or does Austin Riley’s lower K rate make him even more viable in the bigs?
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| 12:06 |
: It won’t until we have minor league translations live. This is on my plate right now.
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| 12:06 |
: What is better? Spinach or Aragula?
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| 12:06 |
: Arugula.
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| 12:06 |
: Though I will only eat both if they’re completely raw.
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| 12:06 |
: A Dan, A Plan, A Sad Giants Post, Sopstnaig Dasan Alpa Nada
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| 12:07 |
: Good Monday Dan. So now that GOT is over…will the Braves have an intervention with Albies and tell him he is NOT a switch hitter? 763 lifetime AB as a lefty has produced .241/.299/.412 numbers while as a righty 286 AB .339/.369/.556. He needs to go fulltime righty or be part of a strict platoon…the Braves can’t live with those numbers from a supposed big piece of their future. I know he is young but there is no improvement here…
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| 12:07 |
: It’s certainly worth experimenting with giving up switch-hitting. I wouldn’t do it until a spring training.
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| 12:08 |
: Dan: nice piece on the Giants (even though I’m an O’s fan). Assuming the Giants do the smart thing, would you care to speculate where veterans like Belt and Posey end up?
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| 12:08 |
: I don’t think Posey goes anywhere and honestly, I doubt Belt will either.
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| 12:08 |
: Do pull heavy lefties provide better stealing opportunities of third base for runners on second?
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| 12:08 |
: Never really looked at the issue, actually.
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| 12:09 |
: Stealing third base is kind of a lost art given the success rate you need. The conventional wisdom of not making the first or third out at third actually has a lot going for it.
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| 12:10 |
: Who is the Rangers best position prospect?
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| 12:10 |
: Leody
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| 12:10 |
: has cj cron made any adjustments? he could feast in that lineup
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| 12:10 |
: I think he’s just a Decent Guy having a good run in May
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| 12:10 |
: Rewatching Dexter… Better than the Sapranos?
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| 12:10 |
: Dexter went on too long for its creative spark
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| 12:10 |
: I tried your twitter game of naming a minor league team…produces a terrible name for a minor league team if you ask me….and the slogan for the team “Get pricked at the ballpark” has way too many negatives…
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| 12:10 |
: There were a lot of great names!
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| 12:12 |
: For those who missed it, it’s the hometown of your close relative you know the least, the last item you bought at a retail outlet in-person, and an animal you think would be good in a cop buddy movie if it could talk and was animated.
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| 12:12 |
: I didn’t share mine, but my minor league team name was the Jacksonville Milk Pandas.
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| 12:12 |
: how much playing time do you see brendan rodgers getting?
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| 12:12 |
: Scattered. He’s not a lousy player in his 30s.
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| 12:14 |
: What are the White Sox doing for tomorrow’s game now that Banuelos is on the IL? Bullpen it or are they going to call someone up?
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| 12:14 |
: I think they actually do finally call up Cease. They’re doing an opener tonight I believe
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| 12:15 |
: Austin Barnes. Do you think this is who he is, or could there be more in the bat?
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| 12:15 |
: I think he is who he is at this point – he’s not a young player. He’s finally kinda having that average season
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| 12:16 |
: What should be taken from Alcantara’s start yesterday? Turning a corner or just a blip?
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| 12:16 |
: It was a good start, but the Mets also look lost right now. He looked much worse a couple of starts ago when the Cubs were just waiting him out.
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| 12:17 |
: I can’t think of a good question, so I’ll just say hi.
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| 12:17 |
: yo
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| 12:17 |
: If two teams have the exact same wOBA, but one is balanced between ISO and OBP but the other team is almost all ISO. Does the first team score more runs than the second? Or does it not matter? Does balance between ISO and OBP matter?
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| 12:17 |
: Doesn’t really matter
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| 12:17 |
: Dan, you buying into a Zach Wheeler turn around?
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| 12:18 |
: Yes
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| 12:18 |
: In fantasy terms, how would you value Cutch & Hicks?
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| 12:18 |
: It depends on how risk-averse you are. Cutch is safer, but Hicks has more upside. Depends on your team.
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| 12:18 |
: Is this the end of Joey Votto? Outside of a BABIP that’s 90 points off his career mark, there aren’t a lot of redeeming qualities on his numbers or peripherals. (I hope it isn’t)
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| 12:18 |
: I think the BA/OBP will get up there but I suspect the power isn’t coming back this time.
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| 12:18 |
: Your article on the Giants brought up the more interesting failure of the Rockies to date. Part of it is the regression monster (Freeland), but the collapse of Jon Gray has been confusing. In 2018’s first half he had that awful ERA with good peripherals, but in the second half his peripherals worsened to match the ERA. This year he’s managed to be worse (his BB% has gone way up and he’s given up even MORE hard contact). Is this all he’s ever going to be or is there a route to success for him still?
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| 12:19 |
: I should note that Gray’s ERA isn’t even *bad* – he has the ERA+ of a 2/3 starter.
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| 12:19 |
: He’s someone who may benefit for a different environment
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| 12:19 |
: Dan: my late uncle was a big chess fan. Before he died, he turned me on to a chess web site called agadmator. Do you like his analysis?
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| 12:19 |
: Honestly, I’ve been mostly out of chess following for a number of years.
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| 12:20 |
: And I get too on-tilt to be a good chess player
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| 12:20 |
: Oscar Mercado- given Cleveland horrible outfield situation do you believe he will get enough playing time to steal 20 bags. In you opinion. What % of FAAB budget would you spend on him?
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| 12:20 |
: He ought to, but I don’t know what Cleveland’s doing with the outfield.
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| 12:20 |
: Just gonna leave this here…
On May 20, 1873 @LEVIS invented the blue jean. Celebrate with Lou Seal in the jean that started it all.
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| 12:20 |
: Are there particular types of players or evolutions to the game that break ZIPS in certain ways?
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| 12:20 |
: Well, injured players for one
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| 12:21 |
: It’d be nice if there was specific groups for which ZiPS displayed systemic issues. It would make it easier to improve
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| 12:22 |
: How much variance is there in player projections, e.g. the gap between the floor and ceiling? Is it pretty similar across most players or is there a lot of variance/volatility?
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| 12:22 |
: Lot of variance
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| 12:22 |
: Some guys have very short resumés
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| 12:24 |
: how long will the following statement remain true? The only teams to never go to the playoffs in back to back seasons are the Chicago White Sox and Miami Marlins. Will be it because the White Sox break the streak? the marlins break the streak? or expansion? |
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: White Sox
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| 12:24 |
: Hey Dan, it’s me, your son from Jacksonville.
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| 12:24 |
: DON’T HAVE A SON
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| 12:24 |
: Cease pitched on the 17th. That would be 3-days rest. And against the Astros of all teams. Was sure he was not getting the call this time.
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| 12:24 |
: Oh, I thoguht he started on Wednesday
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| 12:24 |
: not for the board.. but is that Jacksonville, Fla?..that is my hometown
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| 12:25 |
: Yeah, my dad’s sister.
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| 12:25 |
: Oh, sorry
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| 12:25 |
: My dad died when I was still a teenager and we didn’t know his side of the family all that well – he was much younger than his siblings.
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| 12:26 |
: My dad’s siblings are both in their 80s. Dad would have been 70 this year.
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| 12:26 |
: Is Ryan McMahon close enough to being a lousy player in his 30s to get many ABs moving forward?
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| 12:26 |
: He may have to go elsewhere before the Rockies sign him back.
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| 12:26 |
: Hello Dan. We received your name from Kiley McDaniel, who has refused our demands to name and describe 7 zebras at different zoos across the United States. Will you name these zebras and provide entertaining anecdotes about each? If not, Kiley dies.
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| 12:26 |
: Rick the Zebra (Cincinnati Zoo) is an angry atheist.
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| 12:27 |
: Arbez the Zebra (Baltimore Zoo) dreams of being a regular horse.
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| 12:28 |
: Zebulon, Zebrassiere, and Z-Horse (different zoos) are in a tontine together.
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| 12:28 |
: Z-Dice escaped the Miami zoo and with the help of hair dye, is hiding as an American flag.
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| 12:29 |
: Blutpferd in Zoo Berlin is fed the sedated bodies of German children who misbehave.
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| 12:29 |
: Can Kiley live now?
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| 12:29 |
: Will the Astros ever give Josh James a chance to start?
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| 12:30 |
: Yes
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| 12:30 |
: Regarding spinach and arugal: Did you mean to say “either” or is it in the very specific situation where they’re combined that they must be raw?
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| 12:30 |
: Either. Most vegetables I will only eat raw
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| 12:30 |
: Hey Dan, has there ever been a player projection that made you convinced ZiPS was broken, and you spend a bunch of time trying to figure out why and it turns out that their ‘correct’ projection was just wya higher or lower than you thought?
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| 12:31 |
: Well, there was a the time I must have hit an extra 8 and Jose Molina was projected to have a 1.200 SLG
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| 12:32 |
: Also, I messed up something with a team record when running team projections last night. I put the Marlins as having a record of 113-31, so they had surprisingly high probability of making the playoffs
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| 12:32 |
: Dan, thanks for answering the question regarding player variance. Would it be possible to create and publish how volatile a player is? For instance, you have two players with a 110 wRC+ projection, but one has a huge range of outcomes but the other has a much narrower range. The first one would rate highly in volatility while the second would rate low.
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| 12:32 |
: I’ve tried — and have struggled — with a way to make it easy to understand for the layman.
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| 12:32 |
: I’m not always just hoarding projection stuff. I really want to offer stuff that people can understand and use in a practical fashion
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| 12:32 |
: Our Chechen sandwiches are the envy of the world. Would you like one, Dan? Sadly, you cannot have one.
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| 12:33 |
: Do you ZIPS NCAA guys? Curious if a projection system would find Rutschman as exciting a cornerstone of the next good Orioles team as the scouting/hype hints at?
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| 12:33 |
: I only do when I’m forced to. It’ ssomething for me to review long term
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| 12:33 |
: A Jon Gray for Brandon Belt trade would be interesting, wouldn’t it? I mean, yeah, Daniel Murphy’s in the way there, but if he wasn’t….
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| 12:33 |
: If the Rockies can’t completely commit at this point to throwing in the towel on Desmond after 2 1/4 years of sucking, a player who never should have been signed by them in the first place, they’re not going to give up on Murphy, an actual good signing of a player that was injured
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| 12:33 |
: Also it’s crazy that the best lefty on the Dodgers now may be Hyun Jin Ryu
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| 12:34 |
: Rick the Zebra was not always an angry atheist. It was his sampling Cincinnati chili that ruined his erstwhile faith and amicability.
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| 12:34 |
: True. Cincinnati chili does make one believe that there is no god.
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| 12:34 |
: Dan, we don’t care about your opinions on Zebras. Stick to chili. At least you’re well informed about that wrong opinion.
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| 12:34 |
: LIVES WERE AT STAKE
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| 12:34 |
: Think Mallex Smith turns it around this year? Another guy that has been brutal to start.
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| 12:34 |
: I still believe in him.
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| 12:34 |
: If you were marrying a woman named Danica Szymbobski, would you hyphenate your last name or leave it as is?
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| 12:35 |
: After all this training to get people to spell my name correctly?
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| 12:37 |
: Did Maddon have a legitimate complaint about Doolittle? And even if he did, do you think the decision to raise the issue was motivated more by gamesmanship than by actually protecting the interests of his players?
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| 12:37 |
: I think he does given the Edwards precedent.
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| 12:38 |
: I think MLB is too strict with deliveries
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| 12:38 |
: I like a little deception!
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| 12:38 |
: Do you think Adbert Alzolay comes to the bigs this year?
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| 12:38 |
: I think he could apepar down the stretch
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| 12:38 |
: are zebras white animals with black stripes or black animals with white stripes?
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| 12:39 |
: Neither. They’re a void with stripes draped over them.
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| 12:39 |
: Spinach can be cooked inside a ravioli and still be good. But by itself, you are correct. Steamed or creamed spinach is terrible.
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| 12:40 |
: Thank goodness we finally had a slam on Cincinnati chili..the streak must be kept alive…..
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| 12:40 |
: Raimel Tapia – is he beginning to fulfill his fantasy potential?
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| 12:40 |
: Coors is always a great place for fantasy potential. Even Desmond isn’t completely worthless in fantasy
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| 12:40 |
: Which team goes yard the most this year: Twins or Brewers?
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| 12:40 |
: I think it oculd be Houston
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| 12:40 |
: I have started seeing ads for adult diapers on fangraphs!! I assume it has something to do with my browsing history. Maybe since I had a baby recently, I’ve triggered some general “diaper” category for the ad service, but that seems awfully sloppy. Anyhow, I just think that is funny.
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| 12:41 |
: Everything you’ve ever done in your life is tracked for advertisement!
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| 12:41 |
: Which worries me – I remember the period wheN I suddenly started getting email spam for gravestones and cheap insulin. Is that how my doctor informs me of things?
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| 12:43 |
: What’s your favorite part about Ljay newsome?
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| 12:43 |
: That he’s getting that K/BB in the minors with a Jered Weaver fastball
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| 12:43 |
: I’m skeptical on how he’ll do in the high minors, but he’s certainly earned the opportunity
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| 12:44 |
: Star Wars is played out, and now with Game of Thrones over, what’s the next MLB/MILB promo night that will sweep the nation?
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| 12:44 |
: Finnegans Wake
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| 12:44 |
: Why can’t there just be an option that Zebra’s simply have striped pelts? We need to rid ourselves of this zebra absolutist thinking
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| 12:44 |
: Zebras live in a world without gray
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| 12:45 |
: Dan, are you a fan of Luis Robert?
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| 12:45 |
: Yes
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| 12:45 |
: Will Giants ownership let Zaidi do his own things or will they meddle (like the Harper chase, i doubt Zaidi wante to sign him)?
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| 12:45 |
: Hard to say at this point. I suspect that they’re more resistant to rebuilding than most teams but he’ll earn more autonomy in the end.
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| 12:45 |
: Can we re-evaluate the balk? It makes no sense how a little twitch can result in runners advancing while 90% of lefties get away with not stepping off the rubber before picking dudes off.
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| 12:45 |
: I still only know about 25 of the 134 things that lead to a balk
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| 12:46 |
: As another Oriole fan, Adley at 1.1, or Vaughn under, and over on 2.42?
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| 12:48 |
: I really think it’s going to Rutsch Hour on I-395.
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| 12:48 |
: I’m starting to think “balk” means “my ass hurts and I need to stand up straight for a second”
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| 12:48 |
: Willians Astudillo is currently at half of ZiPS’ projected strikeout rate for this season. Clearly he broke your projection system.
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| 12:48 |
: It’s quite possible
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| 12:48 |
: MacKenzie Gore is not breaking a sweat at A+ so far this year 1.07 ERA 58K in 42 IP as expected…The Padres are not shy about advancing players…does he debut in 2020 or 2021 …assuming full health..which is crazy for a young pitcher I know…
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| 12:48 |
: I think he coudl start 2020 with the team
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| 12:48 |
: Any guesses when the super 2 “deadline” will pass?
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| 12:48 |
: Hard to say as the more teams that push players forward, the later the date gets.
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| 12:48 |
: Which closers do you see getting moved before the deadline?
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| 12:49 |
: While I can’t see the Giants really moving what’s left of their core, I *can* see them moving Will Smith
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| 12:49 |
: Maybe Shane Greene
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| 12:49 |
: Why couldn’t his name be Raimel Talapia…so many opportunities for terrible puns
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| 12:49 |
: Clayton Kershaw is 31 and looking pretty pedestrian coming off a disappointing-for-him 2018. King Felix (RIP) looked pretty cooked at 30, posting 1.1 fWAR after a disappointing-for-him 2015. If Kershaw’s career arc follows Felix’s, is there any chance he gets overlooked by HoF voters, or has he earned enough accolades already that he’s a lock?
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| 12:50 |
: I think he’s close to a lock.
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| 12:50 |
: Even King Felix has some chance, I think.
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| 12:50 |
: MEOW
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| 12:50 |
: Hunter pence…how long does the miracle last? Matt Olson a better bet ROS?
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| 12:50 |
: I’d certainly take Olson
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| 12:50 |
: When do we start seeing other teams go “full opener” after the success of the Rays having it replace 2 rotation spots?
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| 12:50 |
: We’ll see teams tinker, but I don’t think anyone’s going as all-in on the Rays
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| 12:50 |
: a lot of what the Rays are doing is driven by the personnel they have.
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| 12:51 |
: If they had five healthy awesome starters, I think we’d see them in a more typical role
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| 12:51 |
: Tim Tebow slashing .157/.216/.231 for a wRC+. Is this the end of the road for our hero?
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| 12:51 |
: Tebow draws because he’s Tebow, not because he’s good
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| 12:51 |
: Worse MLB promotional tie-in: Spiderman 2 or Game of Thrones?
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| 12:51 |
: Spider bases
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| 12:51 |
: Is zebra chili a white chili?
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| 12:51 |
: No, I think zebras are red meat
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| 12:52 |
: Jess Winker=toast? Or is there a turnaround coming?
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| 12:52 |
: He’ll turn it around
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| 12:52 |
: Yanks are on the same HR pace as they were at this point last year, and are like 25% behind the two leaders. Will that normalize, or is a team going to blow the Yanks HR record out of the water?
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| 12:52 |
: I think it’ll normalize, but they have a lot to make up
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| 12:52 |
: SO I don’t think they’ll lead in homers
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| 12:52 |
: Worst minor league team name ever……game over
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| 12:52 |
: ZiPs is strangely high on Tapia despite a career high k rate, chase rate and lowest contact rate. Why?
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| 12:53 |
: Stuff like chase rate you don’t see in the in-season model, which is designed to be simpler
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| 12:53 |
: Would it make sense for the Angels to acquire some cost-controlled SP? Not a great enough team to trade for rentals, but the bullpen and lineup are pretty good. Just the SP that needs some significant help.
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| 12:53 |
: I think it would. There’s some uncertainty past this year and the Astros aren’t at the end of their success road yet
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| 12:53 |
: How much stock do you put in Yordan Alvarez’s numbers? .411/.484/.883 with 18 hr in 39 games makes my numbers in most video games look bad
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| 12:53 |
: THe thing is, the more video game a number is, the more likely it’s real.
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| 12:54 |
: I don’t know if there’s a name for it, but there’s this weird paradox in which people think an .800 OPS hitter hitting .850 is more likely a real mimprovement than an .800 OPS hitter hitting 1.100. The opposite is true!
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| 12:55 |
: Pressly for sure.
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| 12:55 |
: He’s better than Harris.
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| 12:56 |
: And I’m really uncomfortable with suggesting that domestic abuse is baseball’s newest inefficiency.
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| 12:56 |
: People talk about Yordan Alvarez like he’s the second coming of the Dark Lord
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| 12:56 |
: Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
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| 12:56 |
: Astudillo makes TOO much contact, right?
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| 12:57 |
: Don’t bring those heresies here!
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| 12:57 |
: What do you use to program zips? R, python, excel, java script, an assembly language?
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| 12:57 |
: These days, Excel with some specialized plugins and some visual basic. Statistica used to be a part of it — it’s what we used in college! — but I’ve gotten that out of the works.
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| 12:57 |
: out of the mix
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| 12:57 |
: I’ve always been hampered somewhat by not having a programming background.
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| 12:57 |
: Are your chats always this bizarre? I quite like it.
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| 12:58 |
: This is actually unusually normal for my chats.
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| 12:58 |
: Dan, admit it – ZiPS is actually just a hamster on a wheel randomly selecting projection outputs.
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| 12:59 |
: I used to tell the ZiPS origin story as me pulling paper numbers from a hat that is a family heirloom because it was worn by Anthony Eden, but people interviewing me kinda want me to tell the real stories, not the bizarre things that pop out of my mouth
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| 12:59 |
: Everyone always talks about Archimedes’ Death Ray, but did you know he also invented Lik-M-Aid and the everlasting gobstopper?
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| 12:59 |
: Willie Wonka built a death ray?
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| 1:00 |
: Wait, WILLY WONKA IS ARCHIMEDES? ARCHIMEDES IS WILLY WONKA?”
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| 1:00 |
: Which would you say was my most underrated reliever acquisition – Harris, Pressly, or Osuna?
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| 1:00 |
: ^^^^ I actually answered this question a few lines ago, I just failed to hit the correct button. It wasn’t a completely non sequitur.
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| 1:01 |
: So, all of the talk in the offseason about whether Adam Ottavino could strike out Babe Ruth got me thinking: would any major league pitcher at this point have trouble striking out Eddie Gaedel? If someone threw him in a game right now and a pitcher had six pitches (three balls to spare) they could all get three strikes over the plate at the correct height, right?
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: I think most could with some practice.
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| 1:01 |
: We haven’t even brought Markakis or fake prospects yet, Turtles.
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| 1:01 |
: I MADE KAKEY REAL
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| 1:02 |
: Dammit I was hoping that you programmed using assembly language like a true monster
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: Jus tdon’t have the background
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| 1:02 |
: is it a source of pride or shame that you have the most bizarre chats of any FG writer?
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| 1:03 |
: Pride and shame are the same chinese character!
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: (hoping nobody actually know Chinese here)
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: Let’s finish with leftover Szymborski images from this week
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| 1:04 |
: In fairness, it was Kakie Bryan.
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: Crap!
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| 1:05 |
: Is Ross Stripling still in the MLB? Haven’t seen him in a while…
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| 1:05 |
: I think he pitched a few days ago!
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| 1:05 |
: Am I going to be fired?
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| 1:06 |
: I think there’s a really good shot. Callaway’s a pre-BVW holdover and usually GMs get at least one manager fall guy before they feel the heat.
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: And if the Mets turn around, someone’s gonna get dragged to the guillotine in a cart.
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: DONT turna round
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| 1:07 |
: But is Callaway the *first* manager to be fired? Or is that Davey Martinez?
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| 1:07 |
: I think Callaways goes first
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| 1:07 |
: Will Miguel Cabrera hit more than 5 home runs this year?
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: Yeah, but still a disappointing tital
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: total
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| 1:07 |
: on that note, time for me to shuffle on this chattal coil.
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| 1:07 |
: Hope to see you all in two weeks! (Memorial Day next week)
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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Dan Szymborski



if you do tilt easily then it seems like chess, a game with almost no variance, should be right up your alley, no?