Daniel Norris and His 54-Pitch Inning
Daniel Norris began this season fighting for a rotation spot with the Toronto Blue Jays. At just 21 years of age to start the season, the Blue Jays prospect, who made news in Spring Training for living in a van, made the rotation. After struggling through a dead arm period, however, he was sent back down to the minor leagues while the big-league club struggled through the first half of the season. When David Price moved from the Detroit Tigers to the Blue Jays at the trade deadline, Norris was the headlining prospect heading back to Detroit. Both Toronto and Detroit have managed the left-hander’s innings this season — he’s recorded just 145.2 of them between the minors and majors this season — but on Tuesday, Norris suffered through three innings’ worth of pitches in just a single frame, requiring 54 pitches to get through the first inning against Texas.
The pitching scouting reports that local broadcasts put up on the screen are not always illuminating, but the final point in the graphic for Norris’ start was rather ominous.
The outing for Norris didn’t start well, although it was through no fault of his own: an error by Ian Kinsler allowed Delino DeShields to reach base. The next batter, Shin-Soo Choo — perhaps going against the plan to make Norris get deeper into his pitch count, as well as to run contrary to his own scouting report as a batter (swinging on under 22% of first pitches on the season) — took Norris deep on a 94 mph four-seam fastball on the inner-half of the plate.
Adrian Beltre worked a 2-2 count before fisting a ball to shallow right-center field that fell for a hit. Prince Fielder followed with a five-pitch walk. Norris appeared to get a tough break with the strike zone based on this plot of pitches from Brooks Baseball.
However, looking at the where the pitch ended up in the catcher’s glove, the ball call was understandable (both balls in the strike zone were caught in roughly the same spot):
After 18 pitches and four batters, Norris had reached the end of a typical inning. The average number of pitches per inning this season in MLB is just over 16 and the average number of batters faced is 4.2 for all pitchers. For Norris, his averages were a bit higher at 17.5 pitches and 4.3 batters faced per inning. As a result, this appeared to be a good time for a visit to the mound, and a mound visit did occur, providing Norris with a one minute break.
The table below details some points regarding Norris’ performance, including his time on the mound (although not including the mound visit), over those first 18 pitches. Fastball velocity includes both the four-seam and sinking fastball, as Norris throws both pitches at roughly the same velocity, per Brooks Baseball.

| Pitches | Batters | Time | Time/Pitch | FB Velocity Avg |
| 1-18 | 4 | 7:09 | 23.8 seconds | 95.2 mph |
Norris’ next hitter proved a difficult one as Mike Napoli saw ten pitches in the at-bat. On Norris’ 27th pitch of the inning, this one on a 2-2 count to Mike Napoli, he threw a wild pitch, up beyond the glove of the catcher. He got Napoli to pop up on the next pitch, but an error by Jefry Marte allowed Napoli to reach. After five batters, including two errors, Norris had compiled 28 pitches and been on the mound for more than 13 minutes without recording an out.
Like Napoli before him, Mitch Moreland went to a 3-2 count before Norris was able to record the first out of the inning on a weak ground ball. With a little help from his fielders, Norris should have been out of the inning — with perhaps only Choo’s solo home run on the board. Instead, three runs had scored and there were runners on second and third with only one out. After a first-pitch slider was fouled off by Elvis Andrus, Norris had doubled his pitch count to 36 while seeing just barely over two hitters. Like above, the time listed in the table below does not include the mound visit.

| Pitches | Batters | Time | Time/Pitch | FB Velocity Avg |
| 19-36 | 2.1 | 9:36 | 32.0 seconds | 94.9 mph |
Norris’ velocity remained pretty close to stable, although the deep counts and wild pitch provided some indication that he was laboring. Despite pitching to fewer hitters and no home runs, Norris spent considerably more time on the mound to get through Napoli and Moreland. Andrus eventually hit a sacrifice fly on Norris’ 39th pitch, and with two outs, Brad Ausmus and the Tigers let Norris try to finish the inning. In a plate appearance that saw seven pitches, Rougned Odor fouled off three of them before tripling to the gap in right-center field. Having given up five runs to eight hitters on 46 pitches and spening roughly 25 straight minutes on the mound, Norris stayed in.
Norris made eight pitches to Chris Gimenez to get out of the first inning. In total, he spent more than 27 minutes on the mound during the inning. Repeating the same chart from above we see the following results.

| Pitches | Batters | Time | Time/Pitch | FB Velocity Avg |
| 37-54 | 3 | 9:27 | 31.5 seconds | 94.3 mph |
And combining the charts into one:

| Pitches | Batters | Time | Time/Pitch | FB Velocity Avg |
| 1-18 | 4 | 7:09 | 23.8 seconds | 95.2 mph |
| 19-36 | 2.1 | 9:36 | 32.0 seconds | 94.9 mph |
| 37-54 | 3 | 9:27 | 31.5 seconds | 94.3 mph |
Norris kept most of his velocity during the first inning, but against the last batter of the inning, he exhibited a dropoff. Here are the velocities on the six fastball he threw to Gimenez (in mph): 94, 94, 96, 95, 92, 90. After this, Norris was allowed to pitch to four batters in the second inning, during which time his average fastball velocity was 92.5 mph, a drop of two mph from the first inning. For his part, Ausmus did not seem worried about Norris.
“They have a lot less knowledge of Daniel Norris and baseball than I do,” Ausmus said. “So I’m not really concerned with it.”
— anthony fenech (@anthonyfenech) September 30, 2015
Cliff Corcoran of Sports Illustrated, along with the help of Harry Pavlidis, wrote about Norris and the history of players allowed to make more than 50 pitches in a single inning. Given the fragile nature of pitching and limited number of times it has happened, there is no predictive link between pitching 50 pitches in an inning and getting hurt. However, given that same fragile nature of pitching, letting a 22-year-old top prospect recording more than 50 pitches in the first inning of a relatively meaningless game seems (at a minimum) careless, if not also reckless. Corcoran addressed this point in his piece:
[G]iven the association made between pitching arm injuries and pitches thrown while fatigued in studies such as those by former Baseball Prospectus analyst and current Indians director of baseball analytics Keith Woolner, it made very little sense to take the chance that Ausmus did on Tuesday with as valuable a young arm as Norris’s.
Norris did catch a few bad breaks in the first inning both with his defense and the strike zone. Given the left-hander’s fastball velocities up until the final batter of the first inning, Ausmus was reasonable to conclude that Norris was still strong, but it was unreasonable for Ausmus to think that Norris would remain strong. We can assume that, given the way Norris ended the first inning, he was experiencing signs of fatigue against Gimenez — a point became even more evident when Norris pitched in the second. Having the benefit of hindsight, we know that Norris’ velocity did tail off after giving up the Odor double — although, given the number of pitches Norris threw, this was not a matter of if, but when. Ausmus waited until after Norris tired, and then let him continue to pitch after an obvious drop in velocity.
There’s an argument to be made about the potential benefits of allowing a young pitcher to record a 100 pitches, perhaps up to 120, so that the pitcher is stretched out and can perhaps finish a game when called upon. There is not a similar situation for that same pitcher recording 50 pitches in an inning. There is rarely a positive scenario in which a pitcher throws 50 pitches in a single innings other than to save a bullpen — and, even then, any savings are minimal given the output of pitches already used. A young prospect is not ideally ever to be used in that situation. Even if there is no direct link between these big innings and injuries, the potential benefit is so far outweighed by the very high potential cost as to render the move entirely irresponsible.
Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.



surprising seeing that velo from him. seems he was always sitting 90-92 in toronto.
i’d love to see some analysis on his release point – anecdotally i got the impression that he had a very hard time maintaining a consistent one.
You’re right – in 2014 and early 2015, Norris was around the 91 MPH mark. You can probably chalk it up to a long 2014 season, and some early season dead arm in 2015. I think the more relevant data point is the relative drop from 95 to 90-92 in yesterday’s game. Ausmus was playing with fire.
Nice article, Craig.
See: “dead arm period”
He was throwing 96 in ST.
I would call what Ausmus did pretty reckless and irresponsible, especially considering the Tigers were not playing for anything meaningful at the time and it was near the end of the season with expanded rosters. I think clubs should err on the side of caution in situations such as this, and am not against babying young arms in general. (A notable exception is when the “babying” is artificial to some extent and coming from an agent such as Boras.)
This summer, Wally Backman let 24-year-old Jack Lethersich throw 57 pitches in one inning in a AAA game. The poor kid never threw another pitch this season and ended up getting Tommy John surgery within a few weeks. I used to think Backman should be given a chance to manage the Mets. After this, no more.
given what seems to be a lack of any evidence that a big pitch inning contributes to future injury risk it doesn’t seem irresponsible.
Did it help him by learning to pitch through a tough innining? Probably not much. Did it contribute to a future injury? Probably not.
Corcoran himself mentions there was probably no risk.
As far as I can tell, It’s perfectly legal to bring in a reliever, move the SP to another position (DH excluded), and bring the SP back out to start the next inning. Should this be done in a situation where a pitcher is throwing 50 pitches in an inning? Norris moves to left, a reliever gets the final out, and a new left fielder is brought in the next inning. This seems like something Maddon would do, but he hasn’t.
To expand on that thought, say you have an extreme fly ball pitcher, a Hellickson type. There’s a runner on 3rd with one out. Why don’t more teams think creatively, bring in a ground ball pitcher, or a LOOGY, move Hellickson to 1st for 1 batter, then let him go back to pitching?
If it’s the first inning, then you’re taking one of your starters out of the game. If it’s not the first inning, then your pitcher is likely close to his pitch count anyway. What do you gain by doing this?
Gaining an advantage. Preventing injuries. So it is the first inning. How much is advantage is lost by replacing your LF, RF, CF etc with his backup for 3 PA? Not nearly as much as replacing your SP with a swingman/long reliever.
In the AL, doing this means you lose the DH for the entire game, which is a thought that probably makes those sheltered managers freak out.
You only lose the DH if the DH takes the field, not if the pitcher does.
I’ve seen Lou Piniella use this strategy. Years ago when facing the Red Sox at Fenway, he went to the pen and brought in Jeff Nelson to face a righty. Nelson did his job and recorded an out. Now a lefty is up to bat. Lou calls for a southpaw from the pen, and moves Nelson to LF. After the lefty is retired, Lou moves Nelson back to the mound to face a righty. Wish I could remember more specifics but this is all I got. It’s not the SP scenario you describe but it’s close enough to mention.
Thanks for mentioning this. Interesting that it’s Lou who did this.
He did the same thing with Sean Marshall.
MLB Rule 6.10(b) [several paragraphs down]:
“Once the game pitcher is switched from the mound to a defensive position this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game.”
Its totally irresponsible, this is how guys get hurt. But because it doesn’t show up right away people will just say that it had no effect on him. But these are the kind of events that start tearing an arm up. Muscles need a break during max effort exertion.
This would be like going to the gym and instead of doing 3 sets of 10 like you normally do, your personal trainer says no today your doing 1 set of 30 with the same intensity as your normal three sets. You may or may not make it through the set, but you certainly will have a breakdown in form along the way and your chance of injury will increase. The next day you will be extremely sore, maybe hurt, and your muscles likely won’t be recovered enough to endure your next workout.
If this inning took place earlier on in the season, I would be willing to bet that at some point he would have gotten hurt. Luckily for Norris this ‘workout’ happened right before the season ended and he won’t have to keep pushing through another workout when he isn’t recovered from the last one. He will have a lot of time to rest so he may escape this event without any long term effect. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t irresponsible of Ausmus to put him through that, its October you have a 40 man roster with 18 pitchers currently on it to utilize, quit being stupid!
your weightlifting analogy is terrible. Throwing pitches in an inning is not remotely like increasing the reps in your weightlifting. Why? Because you have a long break between each pitch thrown. You aren’t fatiguing the arm to anaerobic metabolism and then pushing through that. What’s the time between pitches? 15-30 seconds? Throwing a pitch isn’t hard. It’s the cumulative effort in a game that gets tiring when you add in all the warmup throws between innings and throwing over to 1B.
Throwing 50 pitches in an inning is less of a short term workout than what most pitchers throw in the bullpen before a game to warm up.
lol wut
If the cumulative effort gets tiring, and the only think the guy is doing besides pitching is slowly walking around, then the pitching itself must be pretty hard, if a guy can get fatigued doing it and nothing else strenuous.
It also is absurd to say that a 50 pitch inning is less work than what a pitcher throws in the bullpen. First of all, no pitcher throws 50 pitches in their pre-game bullpen. Secondly, pitchers certainly do not exert themselves so much in their bullpen that they lose velocity before coming into the game, as Norris did after this inning. I don’t have an immediate source for this, but I think most pitchers would tell you that they exert themselves more when throwing a pitch in a game than when throwing a pitch in the bullpen.
LOL. Pitchers don’t throw 50 pitches in the bullpen? Many starters throw more than that warming up before a game when getting loose. They obviously aren’t all 95 mph, but they are stretching out their arms. You think they throw the ball 10 times and head out to the mound or something?
My point is that 50 pitches in an inning isn’t by itself an injury risk. It’s probably less of a risk than throwing 100 pitches total in a game.
I’d really like to see something to back up the assertion that many starters throw more than 50 warm-up pitches before the game. Most I’ve seen have talked about 15-25, it seems, and they also mention starting off at something like half-effort and build up to throw the last 10 or so at 100%. I’ve never heard a number as high as 50 in any interview. Not to say that it isn’t possibly true, but I’d need to see something to override my own small sample size of knowledge.
I’d suggest attending a game
I once counted the number of pitches Greg Maddox threw warming up before a game. I can’t remember the exact number, but it was in the 120 range.
I don’t think it is irresponsible at all. If Norris was your typical 1-IP max reliever, then yeah a 50 pitch inning is nearly twice what they have been stretched out to and expecting. But Norris is a starter – and taking him out after 50 pitches means that you are now in ‘waste six relievers and put them into a meaningless game on one days rest at the end of a season where they are already near out of gas’. THAT is what causes injuries.
the only reason a 50-pitch inning may be correlated with pitcher injuries is because pitcher ineffectiveness is very highly indicative of injury. In his case, it could be that he was injured coming into the game. More likely however, he is just a rookie and rookies often suck
and Norris was great today in his first appearance since that outing. No sign of injury as he closes out his season strong.
Thats criminal. It may not be apparent until next year since his season is already done, but you know damage has been done.
Yeah, apparently this was much ado about nothing.