Danny Valencia, Future Met
Heading into the season, the Mets plan to repeat as National League champions seemed pretty obvious; they were going to beat their opponents with elite starting pitching and an above average offense, hoping those strengths would outweigh their defensive deficiencies and a just-okay bullpen. It was a solid enough plan, and based on their depth chart on Opening Day, we gave them a 51% chance to win the division and a 78% chance to make the postseason. And mostly, those things have played out as expected. The rotation has been fantastic, ranking second best in baseball to this point. The bullpen has been fine, with occasional lapses. The defense has been bad.
But one part of the formula hasn’t really gone according to plan yet; that productive offense hasn’t really come to fruition. To this point, the offense has been a little bit below average, ranking right in the middle of the pack in wRC+ while costing themselves some runs with relatively poor baserunning. And on top of that, the team has distributed their hits in a highly inefficient way, so despite an expected 4.2 runs per game based on their BaseRuns inputs, they are only scoring 3.7 runs per game, third-worst in the majors.
Certainly, health has been part of the problem. First, Travis d’Arnaud went on the DL at the end of April. Then in May, it was Wilmer Flores and and Lucas Duda. June brought David Wright’s DL stint, and more recently, news that he’ll require back surgery that may sideline him for the rest of the season. The infield has ended up as a patchwork group, and with Michael Conforto and Alejandro de Aza not hitting as well as expected, the outfield hasn’t been able to carry the load. And so now, the team is openly talking about making more additions, and not waiting until the trade deadline to do so.
“I think we might need to do something before,” Wilpon said Monday at the Harlem RBI fundraiser in Manhattan. “The deadline is still four, six weeks away. We’ve got to start playing better baseball now.”
Thankfully for the Mets, identifying a potential spot to upgrade is pretty easy. They’re not going to add an outfielder, most likely, given that group is already crowded, and Conforto and de Aza can both be expected to improve in the second half. Neil Walker has been good at second base, and Asdrubal Cabrera is a good enough player at shortstop to not require a replacement. So, the team is left with just the corner infield spots or behind the plate if they want to upgrade the offense.
Jonathan Lucroy is out there if they wanted to make a big splash and upgrade at catcher, but the asking price is reportedly quite high, and it seems more likely that the team will let d’Arnaud — due off the DL today — try to provide an internal upgrade before giving up significant future value for a guy like Lucroy. So, in terms of doing something well before the deadline, the acquisition would almost certainly have to be a corner infielder.
Given the team’s roster construction, a right-handed third baseman who can also play some first base seems like the ideal option. Wright’s injury took one of the team’s better RHBs out of the picture, and acquiring a righty who can move between corner spots could allow the team to effectively run a platoon at 1B, with Wilmer Flores playing third against lefties and some combination of Kelly Johnson, James Loney, and eventually the returning Duda handling first base duties against righties. Those guys aren’t so good that you’d ignore left-handed options if they were available, but if you added a left-handed third baseman to the mix, the team would lean very heavily to that side, especially after Duda’s return, so a right-hander is a better fit.
Unfortunately for the Mets, the teams that would be interested in selling off big league talent in mid-June aren’t exactly overloaded with high-end players. The team already added Johnson from Atlanta, and there isn’t much else to go after there. The Phillies aren’t trading Maikel Franco, especially within the division. The Reds already traded their slugging right-handed third baseman in the off-season. The Brewers are using Aaron Hill at third base, so while he’s right-handed, he’s not exactly the kind of upgrade the Mets are looking for. Likewise Yangervis Solarte over in San Diego and Trevor Plouffe in Minnesota; they would add a body to the pile, but probably aren’t much better than what the team already has.
So, that basically leaves one option. The Oakland A’s are 28-41, and effectively out of the playoff picture in the American League. They also happen to have a right-handed third baseman who has also bounced around the field throughout his career, including logging some first base time the last couple of years. He also turns 32 in a couple of months, so he’s not in the A’s long-term plans, but he’s made some changes to his game that also should make him an attractive trade target for the team. As Jeff Sullivan noted back in February, Danny Valencia is now a legitimate offensive threat, and not just as a platoon guy. Let’s re-visit a table Jeff included in his piece.

| Year(s) | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | wRC+ | GB% | IFFB% | HR/FB% | Hard% | Pull% |
| 2010 – 2014 | 993 | 5% | 21% | 0.124 | 0.264 | 65 | 45% | 16% | 8% | 27% | 42% |
| 2015 | 229 | 5% | 25% | 0.271 | 0.329 | 140 | 51% | 6% | 27% | 36% | 49% |
Last year, in a small sample, Valencia hit right-handed pitching for power for the first time in his career. He hasn’t hit them quite as well this year, but he’s been dramatically better against RHPs than he was previously, putting up a 113 wRC+ against them in 2016. As usual, he’s destroying lefties, so even competent production against right-handed pitching makes Valencia a solid everyday player.
Over the last 365 days, Valencia has put up a 140 wRC+, and his overall batting line is almost indistinguishable from some guy named Kris Bryant. We’re still only talking about 118 games, so you don’t want to expect Valencia to continue hitting at this level, but he’s a guy with a career 104 wRC+ who has been markedly better than that recently and looks to have made some improvements that suggest he could perform better than his career numbers for the near future.
In short, Valencia is perfect for the Mets. He’s even under team control for 2017 as well, as he’s got one more trip through arbitration, so he’s not even just a rental, and would give the team an insurance policy for Wright next year. Because he’s a late-bloomer, he’s only making $3.2 million this year, so acquiring him won’t require any kind of budgetary adjustments. And if somehow Wright does come back later this year, well, Valencia has played the outfield too, so he could get some playing time out there if need be.
Valencia is basically perfect for the Mets. He checks every box, and most importantly, is probably already available; Billy Beane has a history of making early trades if he gets what he’s looking for, and the A’s have to know they’re not making any kind of miraculous second-half run this year. And the Mets have exactly the kind of close-to-the-majors prospects that the A’s have been targeting lately; Brandon Nimmo, particularly, looks like a very A’s kind of player.
With a few other teams looking like they might be in the market for a third baseman later this summer, the Mets might have to pay a little bit of a premium to get Valencia from the A’s now. But given the Mets position on the win-curve, giving up a little bit extra in future value to upgrade the current roster is likely justifiable. And if they end up waiting until later in the summer, it’s possible Cleveland, Kansas City, or San Francisco could swoop in and land Valencia for themselves, and as we noted previously, there aren’t a lot of other great options for the Mets on the horizon.
Valencia is exactly what the Mets are looking for. He should be available now, and they have the kinds of excess minor league talent to go get him. So, A’s and Mets, let’s get the hot stove fired up; send Danny Velencia to Queens already. It makes too much sense to not happen.
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Another veteran righty whose hitting improved drastically after going to the Blue Jays.
He’s definitely a good fit, but I don’t see the Mets giving up Nimmo for him.
I’d rather see the Mets try to solve their problems via internal promotion. Gavin Cecchini is coming off Pacific Coast player of the week honors and currently sports a wRC+ of 132 at AAA. The Mets could promote Cecchini to man SS, move Asdrubal Cabrera to 3B, and improve their aforementioned porous defense in the process.
Cheech’s 20 errors in 47 games suggests otherwise.
Cheech would be the perfect piece going back to Oakland, actually. He’s young, cost-controlled, and makes tons of errors. Lots of Marcus Semien parallels. The Mets also can’t afford to put out guys facing Major League pitching for the first time and expect them to thrive. Valencia is basically a sure thing. Cecchini is a huge question mark. Maybe Oakland considers something like Cheech+ Montero or Ynoa, and another piece.
It feels like a lot for a guy projected to be worth ~1 win the rest of the season. I mean, jeez, Pedro Alvarez is projected to be worth more.
Not all WAR is equal. Also, keep in mind that the Mets are putting out replacement or even below-replacement level players at third. You also have to consider the Mets’ spot on the win curve. A win or two could easily be the difference between them making and missing the playoffs.
I’d like to see Wilmer Flores get a chance to further develop, but I suppose a team with playoff aspirations can’t afford to wait around for that to happen.
if the rest of the offense was clicking, i think it would’ve been fine. But considering the sad state of the mets lineup…. i don’t see it happening.
That said, if they don’t do something this week, they might as well just let Flores play it out with D’Arnaud coming back…Duda should be rehabbing in another couple of weeks (i believe)…I would hope with those guys back, the offense can return to respectability to give Wilmer a shot.
There hasn’t been any news on Duda.
I like Flores at first base. He’s a natural there.
What about David Freese? He probably wouldn’t take a ton to acquire, and with Josh Bell looking like he’ll be ready for the majors very soon the pirates will no longer need a platoon first baseman, which would mean Freese would only play on Jung-ho Kang’s off-days, so Freese won’t have a lot of chances to play in PIttsburgh.
Not a bad idea. But the Pirates need every win they can muster this year, and they have no reason to trade Freese unless the return is substantial.
If Kang or Jaso gets hurt, Freese plays daily. And there is still a chance that if Mercer gets hurt Kang covers SS and Freese plays 3B daily. So Freese really serves as a reliable backup at 3 positions, plus he has starter value as a DH and platoon 1B.
Unless the Pirates fall way back, I just can’t see a motivation for them to trade Freese – especially to a wild-card rival.
The idea was based on Josh Bell taking over soon, which isn’t a given I suppose. Fair point about the depth though; he’s not gonna get a significant trade return so he’s likely more valuable as a bench player than whatever marginal prospect they’d get back.
Maybe. But Bell’s defence is still shaky (at best). The Bucs just got over Pedro Alvarez’s terrible 1B defence, and I don’t know if they want to risk that in a pennant race. But who knows?
Bucs would prob love to sell high on Freese and especially at the Mets expense after the Mets spanked the Bucs with the Walker-Niese deal.
How about Adam Duvall? I don’t know much about his defensive ability at 3B but I know he has played there before and he’s old enough that the Reds might move him despite the team control they still have of him.
i think the reds hold on to him. jay bruce is the OF they deal. Duvall is cheap controllable power.
So, let me ask a more neutral crowd here with some non Mets fans: what’s a fair price for Valencia? Nimmo? Nimmo +? Other ideas?
Cubs fan here. Nimmo seems reasonable for trade at end of July. I think to get him now, it has to be Nimmo+.
Nah, I think Nimmo gets it done. Unless it’s an A leaguer or something. Nimmo is a Top 100 prospect. Valencia has been a revelation the last 2 years. A guy Oakland has zero intentions of extending. They’d gladly take Nimmo for him straight up. Valencia could very easily fall back to earth in a season.
BEANE likes younger prospects. i see him asking for guys like Guillorme or the like
I think you are incorrect: Nolin, Graveman, Semien, Phegley, Bassitt all acquired in Oakland’s most recent big trades, all (except the injured Nolin) went straight to MLB
conveniently left off Franklin Barreto, arguably the centerpiece of the donaldson trade, but yes not worth painting Billy B in a corner. he is a wild card
as a mets fan, (and a AL jays fan) I’ve been hot on danny V for awhile. Probably value him too much, but a Lefty killer at 3b sounds so nice to have again that it may be worth an overpay
I am not sure Nimmo is really a particularly noteworthy prospect. His success at AAA has to be viewed in the context of his .392 BABIP. His power, speed and defense are less-than-impressive. Nimmo seems more like a 4th outfielder to me.
Valencia is among the best available players at OF/3B/1B/DH, and several contenders need one of those (Giants, White Sox, Red Sox, Indians). I can’t see the A’s trading Valencia without getting more than Nimmo.
In my (admittedly under-informed) opinion, the Mets would need to offer Amed Rosario, or some combination of Dom Smith, Garin Cecchini and Nimmo.
If Nimmo reaches his absolute ceiling, he might be as good as Valencia already is. Same with Smith. Why trade Valencia for players you doubt will ever provide the production you are getting for cheap?
Billy Beane should be able to start a bidding war. I suspect he already has.
Rosario might be a top 25 prospect. Fat chance.
Maybe within the organization. He is nobody’s overall 25
Uh, do the research. People are VERY high on Rosario.
Before this season:
Baseball America – #58
MLB.com – #79
BP – #96
KATOH – #66.
That’s not taking into consideration his extremely strong season in high A ball this year, where he is hitting .305/.356/.441 with a 136 wRC+.
I think KLaw has him in his most recent top 25.
He’ll be in most mid-season top 50s.
Yeah, they can have Garin Cecchini+ as long as the Mets get Valencia back. Not sure how we could trade them another team’s player, though.
They won’t trade Nimmo right now since their outfield situation isn’t great. Cespedes may leave at the end of the season. Grandy is struggling, and will leave at the end of next year. Lagares is hurt. De Aza is struggling badly. Conforto is struggling. Nimmo would be an immediate upgrade right now at a weak position.
Cecchini+ is a lot more likely. He’s also hitting very well at AAA, plays a more challenging position, and is younger. He’s also a not-quite-SS on a team with many similar players already.
As a Mets fan, I’d be fine with a Nimmo for Valencia trade. Question is how much more would be necessary to make this happen.
As a Mets fan, trading Nimmo right now would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. We can trade other pieces for him, like Cecchini+Becerra+arm. There’s no logic in us trading a guy who would immediately improve the 25-man roster today if he were called up. Cecchini doesn’t play a position of need for us; Nimmo does.
I think Gourriel is a better fit, provided the contract stays short of 5 years. No need to trade any more prospects. He hit enough in his short time in Japan that I believe in his ability to produce at the big league level.
Gourriel won’t be ready for at least another month even if he can hit Major League pitching.
He also just looks like a Queen’s douche.
Frankly, why would the Mets give up five years of development of Nimmo for a guy playing way over his head? I just don’t see Valencia continuing this clip in Queens, especially with the injury history. I think a better solution for the Mets is to grab a guy like Plouffe now, for less, and make a run at Gourriel, or another larger name at the trade deadline, and slide a guy like Plouffe into a utility bench role.
The Mets can get Valencia without giving up Nimmo, for sure. Billy Beane loves trading for quantity over quality. Something like Cecchini+Dom Smith+arm gets it done.
DOM smith? i don’t think he is going anywhere. id be pissed if they traded him.
Valencia is a 31 yo career platoon guy with a total of 4.8 WAR for his career. Are you really giving up an actual 23 YO prospect who is putting up very good numbers at AAA for that?
The Mets have some issues offensively long-term that need to be addressed:
– they may well lose Cespedes after this year with no return (& let’s be honest, he really shouldn’t be playing CF anyway)
– Wright looks done,
– Duda has back problems (and when has that ever worked out OK in the long run?)
– Walker is on the wrong side of 30 now
– Conforto is on the verge of getting sent back to the minors
– d’Arnaud has managed 500PA at any level once ever & that was in 2009 and 400PA only 3 times in 10 years as a professional
– Though they have some decent prospects, it isn’t like the Mets have a ton of nearly MLB ready top prospects.
I’ll just throw this out there: rather than monkey around with band-aid solutions, maybe it’s time for the Mets to reach into the enormously deep pitching pool and trade for a real solution. I’ve been against it to this point because you never trade elite pitching, but what would any of deGrom, Syndergaard, Harvey or Matz bring back? I won’t even suggest any actual targets but trade one of those guys and they can still run out the other 3 plus Colon plus Zack Wheeler and have an actual cornerstone position player as well.
There is a good chance that Harvey will get traded within the next year and that should provide a nice return, but that’s not going to happen now.
Totally agree that they aren’t going to be warm to the idea of dealing the org’s best OF prospect just as it appears he may have turned a corner, not to mention that he was this regime’s very first 1st rd draft pick back in 2011. I don’t see them including Nimmo in a deal now.
I would think more likely to be sacrificed might be Dilson Herrera. If Rosario is the SS in the long term, then they will eventually have to decide between Herrera and Cecchini at 2B anyway. Dilson + Montero for Valencia + FernRod
Dilson Herrera isn’t going anywhere.
This comment seems like an expression of the Endowment Effect, or Divestiture Aversion.
As a non-fan of both the Mets and A’s, I think you may be over-valuing Nimmo and under-valuing Valencia.
Nimmo’s performance at AAA is fueled by a .392 BABIP. He has limited power and speed, and his defense is average.
Valencia was a late bloomer, so it is not particularly important how much WAR he produced by age 31. He has been hitting consistently for 2 seasons, and there is no reason to think he is going to decline any faster than other 31 year olds.
Just my take – Nimmo is not going to buy Valencia for the Mets. The A’s can do better from the many contenders who need a power hitter who can field 3B, 1B and OF. And Valencia is worth more to the Mets at this point of their success cycle than Nimmo.
Actually “late bloomers” do tend to decline faster, but even if he doesn’t you’re still already well into the presumed decline phase. Nimmo for Valencia seems like a fair deal.
Actually I’m not a Mets fan, just a baseball fan who finds the Mets’ position interesting. Color me dubious on “late bloomer”. Valencia has his own BABIP issues as well since he is running a .366 BABIP this year and even with the improved numbers against righties, he’s still been very much platooned the last few years:
L R % of PA v RH
2010 111 211 65.53%
2011 149 415 73.58%
2012 56 105 65.22%
2013 102 68 40.00%
2014 124 160 56.34%
2015 149 229 60.58%
2016 52 143 73.33%
He’s exceeded 400PA once in his 7 years in the majors precisely because he’s been platooned and it’s not certain he’ll get to 400 PA this year. If he does, it won’t be by much.
Then there’s baserunning and defense where he gives back in both areas – he’s not horrendous but he’s decidedly below average at both and there is no DH at which to hide him in the NL.
It’s true that Nimmo may never become anything. History is full of guys who hit well at AAA and did nothing in the majors and there is no denying that Valencia has been at the MLB level where Nimmo hasn’t. We don’t know what Nimmo might become, however, we have a pretty good idea what Valencia is even if he has improved at age 31: a platoon player who might play 2/3 of the games and provide slightly above average production overall once you put it all together with offense/defense/baserunning. ZIPS, Steamer and Depth Charts all have him producing 1 WAR the rest of the way which probably isn’t much more than whoever he replaces.
I’m just not sure that Valencia is really the answer the Mets need. . . . .
Anon, you are bang on here! Valencia’s fielding at 3B? 0.911! UZR? -21!! I don’t think he can actually play 3B anymore, at least not for a contender. Bring up Dilson, move Walker to 3B.
I think this comment suffers from Myopia Effect and Erudition Aversion.
A large amount of Nimmo’s value is tied to the fact that he is cheap and controllable for 6/7 seasons, 3 or which will be at the ML minimum salary, while Valencia is controllable for just 1.5 seasons and is Arb-eligible in 2017.
Valencia is relatively cheap and thus he has residual value but he’s 32 and not a long term addition. He may return a top 100 prospect but doubtful any more than that.
You’re simply misunderstanding BABIP here, which happens a lot. In the Minors, hard contact leads to high BABIP. Nimmo is also a first round pick who has been on Top 100 lists and is still young for the level. You are looking at a single stat, misinterpreting it, and therefore coming up with an inaccurate take.
From the A’s perspective, this could have been entitled “Finding Nimmo”
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SO who do you want instead????? Longoria and that wonderfully back loaded contract?
WHY not just put Dilson at 2B and move Walker to 3B?
That seems like such an obvious solution that I don’t know why it hasn’t happened yet. The day they found out Wright would be out for a while, I thought Walker would start taking ground balls at 3B, especially since I read that he’s open to it.
Herrera is one of the better 2B prospects in baseball, and he can provide decent offense, defense and baserunning. It would also give them a few months to evaluate him better, and see if he’s ready to be their full-time 2B next year once Walker’s contract is up. Or if he falls flat on his face, at least they know that they should target another 2B this offseason, and they can look for a Valencia-type upgrade next month.
If Herrera does perform, then they just saved themselves from trading one of their few decent hitting prospects.
you guys must not be mets fans. to paraphrase what i keep hearing w local media, they do not want to disturb the chemistry that walker and cabrera have up the middle…oy! really though. cant tell you how many times I’ve heard. Walker is will to move to any position, but god forbid you shuffle up a mediocre double play combo
Walker hurt his back, so I think they have been taking it easy with him. They haven’t asked him to take reps at 3B yet, but I think they will soon.
Because that involves reducing PT for Flores who happens to be playing well and could be finally hitting his stride as a player now that he’s taken over at 3B everyday.
Flores plays first bettet than he plays third, fwiw
I’m sorry but if I’m Sandy (which, full disclosure, I am not I’m just a huge Mets fan that pays way too much attention to their minor leaguers), there’s no way I trade Nimmo.
For one, Cespedes is almost guaranteed to opt-out after this season. Granderson is a free agent after next season. The Mets have almost no OFs in the high minors other than Nimmo that are even close to read, and there really isn’t much out there in Free Agency either. Their next OF prospects are not even in AA yet (Becerra and Desmond Lindsay).
Yes, Nimmo is running an inflated BABIP and I’ve seen a lot of comments saying it’s unsustainable. But he also had a .402 BABIP in A ball over 110 games in 2013, a .401 BABIP in high A in 62 games in 2014 (then struggled in AA), but hit the ground running in 2015 in AA and had a .343 BABIP.
He’s continually posted high BABIPs, he has a great eye (career .384 OBP in the minors). He doesn’t have power, but he can get on base. He scores runs, which is something the Mets sorely need right now.
I would sell high on Cecchini. He’s hitting (PCL player of the week), but his fielding is just god awful (20 errors at SS this year in 46 games for a sparkling .920 FP). His last 2 seasons have been buoyed by high BABIPs (.354 this year and .348 last year), and before the high BABIPs he was never a great hitter.
Again, I’m not Sandy.
Yeah. ITT, many people are misinterpreting high Minor Leagur BABIP. In the Majors, realistically, the guys with the hardest contact (your Miggys, Vottos, Goldys, etc.) run elevated BABIP as a skill. In the Minor Leagues, guys making hard contact can “sustain” even higher numbers at those levels. Nobody’s expecting Nimmo to hit .350 in the Major Leagues, but he would still be an asset hitting .260 with tons of walks and a bit of pop.
.260 with tons of walks and a bit of pop makes for a below average corner outfielder, which seems about fair for 1.5 years of Valencia.
Nimmo not going to draw a lot of walks at the major league level unless he develops more power. Big league pitchers have much better control and command. They are going to pound the zone and challenge him until he proves he can make them pay. Other than a few light hitting shortstops who draw walks because they hit in the eight hole in front of the pitcher, there aren’t very many guys who draw a lot of walks that hit for the type of power Nimmo does. He’s run a .160 ISO since he got to AAA which is encouraging but it is the PCL so there’s that.
Nick Markakis and Joe Mauer say hi.
In re: David Wright: it’s neck surgery, and he had it already.
What about Zack Wheeler? Another recent set back, and yes he’s relatively cost controlled but coming up on arbitration soon? It doesn’t have to be a prospect.
What about Dilson Herrera? His numbers right now may be inflated because of altitude but the guy has always demonstrated that he has good power, a decent walk rate and good contact skills.
Sure, his fielding leaves something to be desired but the Mets haven’t exactly loaded up with guys (e.g., Flores, ACab, Duda) who are great fielders.
I actually think that best fit is Escobar. He’s going to cost less than Valencia from a talent perspective. His bat has been rock solid for the past 2 years. His defense and baserunning leave much to be desired but if you are considering Valencia then Escobar is more than adequate in those areas. Should note that Escobar also offers some theoretical flexibility in playing SS and probably 2B.
The guy’s on a cheap $7M deal this year with a cheap $7M option next year. And if I’m the Angels I’m trolling in the lower minors for high upside quantity so the Mets can hold onto the upper level prospects that they will need in order to be competitive in 2017 and beyond.
Never seen this many comments on a FG article. Mets fans are the best! PLEASE SANDY, GET VALENCIA. And please mets fans, stop talking about jay bruce. he’s basically the same thing as duda.
You think this is a lot of comments. Just wait until Dave puts out his annual trade-value article, with about a dozen Cubs and a boat load of Red Sox in his Top 50. 😉
Personally, I’d hope they get Valencia for Ynoa + lottery ticket, because I think Nimmo has moderate success in the bigs. Mets will need some internal option when Granderson and Cespedes leave, and Conforto is either slumping or regressing with an open spot still left to be filled.
What could Valencia, Reddick and Doolittle net us from the Mets, I would expect some solid return