Do the Twins Already Have a Budding Ace?

Though it started with a strikeout and a ground out, the World Baseball Classic appearance by Jose Berrios Wednesday didn’t end well. He allowed a single to the scuffling Nolan Arenado, then hit Eric Hosmer and walked Andrew McCutchen before he was replaced. In essence, the outing encapsulated the ups and downs of Jose Berrios as a pitcher: tantalizing stuff, near-fatal flaws. If you focus on the former, though, maybe the latter is just an adjustment away from being a faded memory.

Jose Berrios has stuff, man. Have you seen his curve? It’s a nice one, with velocity and bend. Take a gander.

His changeup is actually pretty decent, too, giving him that one-two punch of secondaries that’s rare in baseball. If you express his movement and velocities on the two pitches as percentiles among qualified pitches, they look like a strong pair.

Jose Berrios’ Curve & Change, In Context
Pitch X-Mov Y-Mov Velo Drop & Velo
Change 87th 73rd 66th 90th
Curve 96th 18th 84th 45th
Velo and movement numbers for changeup defined off of the fastball.

Something pops out here: as you can see, Berrios’s curve is gets more sideways than vertical break. Research suggests, meanwhile, that drop and velocity are the most important aspects of a curve for whiffs. Maybe his curve isn’t as good as it looks, in other words. It does get below-average whiffs right now. Maybe he should be throwing his changeup more.

Before we say anything definitive like that about his curve, let’s consider the best comps for a sideways curve with that sort of velocity. Corey Kluber’s is the curve thrown by a starter that’s the most like the one thrown by Berrios. Kluber’s sideways bend is unique, but Berrios is close. The second- and third-closest curves by starters are those thrown by Sonny Gray and Gerrit Cole. All of them, save Berrios, have plus whiff rates on their curves.

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Jose Berrios’ Curve Comps
Pitcher Velo Thrown swSTR% GB% VeloZ DropZ HoriZ
Corey Kluber 84.2 613 27% 34% 1.7 -2.0 2.1
Jose Berrios 81.7 257 9% 16% 0.9 -1.0 1.8
Gerrit Cole 81.4 111 13% 38% 0.8 -0.1 1.7
Sonny Gray 81.2 304 13% 33% 0.8 0.1 2.2
VeloZ, DropZ, HoriZ = z-scores for velocity, drop, and absolute value of horizontal movement, among curves thrown 100+ times last year. n=312

With the research on changeups suggesting that Berrios has what he needs — his changeup comps include Kyle Gibson, Tanner Roark, and Jeff Samardzija, and you can take a look at it below — it looks like you can give Berrios two pitches that have compelling movement and velocity. If you look for starting pitchers that have both a curve and a change that rank in the top 33% in terms of velocity (or velocity gap), you find a compelling group of pitchers: Kyle Gibson, Danny Salazar, Carlos Martinez, Danny Duffy, and Yordano Ventura (rest in peace).

We obviously turn to the fastballs to figure out why he hasn’t been what we thought he would be, at least not yet.

Velocity on the fastball is not the problem. Berrios is in the 64th percentile for four-seam velocity, and 77th percentile for two-seam velocity. Though his movement is exactly average, and his spin as well, the velocity still makes the case for an above-average major-league fastball.

Okay, so the stuff itself isn’t problem — and maybe we already knew. How about command, though? Fastball command was something his even his general manager cited as a problem when people inquired about the pitcher in the past. He was 47th worst in Called Strikes Above Average among 328 pitchers who threw 50 innings last year. He ended up in a lot of long counts this past Wednesday for similar reasons.

Look at his heat charts for four-seam (left) and two-seam (right) against righties, though, and it’s not so much about getting it in the zone as it is about avoiding the heart of the zone.

I mean, it’s nice that he can track three of the four corners with the four-seam against righties, but that bold red in the middle is no bueno.

As for lefties, the heat map suggests he should probably either stop throwing the four-seam to them altogether, or at least not throw it there — you know, that spot in the middle of the zone. Up and in? Fine. The two-seam chart suggests that he should either aim closer to the batter or maybe even move on the rubber, so that he’s standing closer to the first-base side. That might prevent his front-door two-seamers from leaking over the heart of the plate. There’s some suggestion that the inside part of the plate against lefties is opening up for strikes over the last few years, so that might be a good move.

That might help a little against lefties, but he’s still got that heart-of-the-zone problem against righties, and a bit of a rock-and-a-hard-place situation. If you’re talking about aiming, you could tell him to aim off the plate more and separate those three blobs so that the heart opens up, but then you’re asking him to throw more balls at a time when he’s having trouble with walks.

Maybe the solution is mechanical, as Doug Thorburn suggested last fall at a BaseballHQ seminar. Let’s look at Berrios last May, and then again in September to see if those changes are taking hold.

Last May:

Last September:

What these videos reveal is both (a) he’s already on the first base side, so he can’t go any further, silly writer, and (b) he’s changed his angle upon setup. This allows him to finish differently when it comes to foot fall. Check out how his body lines up at foot fall early (left) and late (right).

It’s hard to get the timing of these right without better technology, so I prefer not to focus on the upper body, which might just be in different moments in both pictures. Instead, just look at where his foot has fallen and how his legs are lined up. It looks more direct, more in line towards the plate.

I don’t know enough to tell Berrios what do do exactly, anyway. The point is that the pitcher has the makings of a plus curve, above-average change, and above-average fastball… if he can improve the command even to average. It’ll take a tweak like the one we see here to unlock the package. Maybe he’s already done it. Maybe it’s just a question of repeating that new delivery every time out instead of for two out of every four or five batters. At least he has the stuff to be good.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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deadmau5whomp
9 years ago

not expected to make the rotation to start the year.

SafeSport
9 years ago

Off topic but How is it that the Twins can run a payroll above $100 million but the A’s can’t? they always have payrolls in the 60-70 mil range

RobertMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  SafeSport

Twins have a new stadium and a pretty loyal fan base (despite the bad results). I haven’t been to Target Field, but everyone I know who has really liked it and it’s in a central location.

johansantana17Member since 2026
9 years ago
Reply to  Robert

Target Field is great. It basically forms the Western edge of Downtown Minneapolis. All the seats feel relatively close to the field, there’s great food and beer, and the 3rd base side of the stadium has an awesome view of the skyline.

Smurrman
9 years ago
Reply to  SafeSport

Even after the year they had, a lot of people are still excited and ready for baseball. I’m excited to go to Target Field as well.

mtsw
9 years ago
Reply to  SafeSport

There’s only a million fewer people in Minneapolis than in SF+Oakland combined (3.5M vs 4.5M per Wikipedia’s list of metropolitan statistical areas). Minneapolis is huge!

A lot of times “small market” has more to do with the willingness of ownership to spend money than actual market size.

BryzMember since 2019
9 years ago

Sadly, Berrios is destined for Triple-A.

One other thing, Eno. Berrios brings his hands over his head in his windup now.

southie
9 years ago

Anybody else watch that change up clip 100 times?

mike sixelMember since 2016
9 years ago

One thing I noticed, the fans aren’t exactly into the game….

On topic, I still have hope.

BenMember since 2016
9 years ago

I liked his first inning Wednesday night even better. K, K, K. Stanton, Lucroy, Kinsler. Kid’s got stuff.

antone
9 years ago

Insert obligatory TwinsGraphs joke.

This kid looks like he has nasty stuff. Frisbee curve gifs leave me in a trance. Thanks for the post.

victorvran
9 years ago

I know Eno needs something to write about and that this is interesting to read about and dream on, but I just hate the “he’s just one adjustment away” claim. It’s like “he just needs to get his command”. How many pitchers who have failed has this been said about?

It’s fine as an idea, it’s really annoying when people start to *expect* it.

freescopeMember since 2026
9 years ago

He’s 22 and there are way too many pitchers ahead of him this year. I would like to say “good job” with the research but the naked eye suggests its way too early for any sort of Berrios love. Give him some time and cool the jets man, lots of other SPs to talk about

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
9 years ago
Reply to  freescope

If you mean ahead of him in the Twins rotation, I think they’re just a bunch of paper dolls ready to be pushed over. Adalberto Mejia? Tyler Duffey? Even if those guys keep things steady out of spring, I can’t imagine Phil Hughes or one of Hector Santiago/Ervin Santana either stay healthy or effective to keep this fireballer in check. Probably still more interesting to talk about Berrios than any of those guys, even if he’s a half-to-full season away.

Smurrman
9 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

There is only 1 guy who is really ahead of him. Santana. Everybody else probably isn’t as important

radivel
9 years ago

I think someone should do some updated pitch comps on the guy who did some lawn maintenance on the Puerto Rico All Star team. His name is, hm, it’ll come to me.. oh yeah, Stroman!

Lest we forget: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marcus-stromans-absurd-set-of-pitch-comps/

baggs85
9 years ago

Those mechanics have elbow injury written all over them.

BernandezMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  baggs85

Must be very small font.

John Autin
9 years ago

Worthy analysis, as usual.

However … I’m no scout, but the curve in that first GIF doesn’t look like a weapon to me. Its break almost perfectly matches the RHB swing path, which might help explain the .330 BA and .609 SLG Berrios yielded to righties yast year.

And while Kluber’s curve may be the most similar to Berrios’s — I guess there’s an algorithm for that? — that doesn’t mean they’re actually similar. Klubot’s velo and drop are way more than the others in that table, and his swSTR% dwarfs theirs.

The other comps in that table are much less encouraging. Those data are just for last year, right? Cole had a decent year but with troubling K/BB data, and Gray got pounded generally and especially by righties (.524 SLG). As 2016 comps for Berrios, their “brand names” run ahead of their actual results.

YKnotDisco
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

TBF, Cole and Gray were both limited by injury last year.