Don’t Get Too Excited About Mark Canha
Oakland A’s first baseman/left fielder Mark Canha is off to a fine start to the 2015 season. Through the year’s first week and a half, he’s hitting a solid .333/.353/.515, and leads all rookies with 11 hits. This is obviously a teeny tiny sample, and we all know better than to read too much into seven games. But even so, an excellent performance from a previously unknown player is a little hard to ignore, especially after his six homers and .297/.342/.635 batting line from spring training. The A’s have to be happy with the return they’ve gotten on their rule 5 choice so far.
Although this is his first taste of big league action, Canha’s no youngster. He turned 26 this past February, and has been playing professionally since 2010, when the Marlins drafted him in the seventh round out of the University of California. Although he started out as a 21-year-old in short-season ball, Canha moved through the Marlins system relatively slowly. He spent a full year at each minor league level, so he’s just now making it to the big leagues.
Canha’s slow climb up the minor league ladder wasn’t due to a lack of hitting. His wRC+s from 2010-2014 were 139, 144, 128, 141 and 131. He’s never hit worse than his league’s average, nor has he come particularly close. But, year after year, the Marlins chose to let Canha mash as an old-for-his-league slugger instead of challenging him with more polished pitching.
Last year, Canha his .303/.384/.567 in Triple-A New Orleans, which was one of the best performances in Triple-A last year. Yet despite his hot hitting, the Marlins opted to keep Canha in the minors for all of last season. These are the same Marlins who gave 150 first base starts to the dynamic duo of Garrett Jones and Jeff Baker, who combined for -0.4 WAR as first basemen. Canha didn’t even get a look in September. Instead, the Marlins called up Justin Bour — another first baseman, who’s nearly a year older than Canha.
Clearly, the Marlins never thought much of Canha, which is why they chose to leave him unprotected in last winter’s rule 5 draft. But as they say, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Canha was little more than an afterthought for the Marlins organization, but Billy Beane and the A’s apparently saw something more in the San Jose native.
KATOH seems to side more with the Marlins on this one. My system gives him a 72% chance of cracking the majors, but just a 6% chance of racking up more than 4 WAR through age-28. It essentially views him as a bench bat or an up-and-down player, and pegs him for just 1.8 WAR through age-28.
As much as I love KATOH, I’m not sure how useful it is for players like Canha. KATOH was designed to evaluate prospects, but Canha isn’t exactly a prospect. As a 26-year-old rookie, he’s probably more or less reached his upside, so it’s probably more sensible to focus on what he’ll do this year, rather than trying to speculate on his long-term future. Plus, it feels a little circuitous to use a model that considers players of all ages in order to forecast how a 26-year-old will perform through age-28.
Instead, let’s try to zero in on the Triple-A to MLB transition for players of Canha’s ilk. Below, you’ll find a list of players aged 28 or younger since 1990 whose league-adjusted walk rate, strikeout rate, BABIP, ISO and stolen base frequency fell within .5 standard deviations of Canha’s marks from Triple-A last year. I included columns for WAR and wRC+ so you can see how they performed in the majors the following year.
| Name | Year | Age | PA | WAR | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Paul Sorrento | 1991 | 25 | 514 | 1.8 | 118 |
| Jack Voigt | 1992 | 26 | 177 | 1.8 | 143 |
| Doug DeVore | 2003 | 25 | 114 | 0.3 | 58 |
| Juan Miranda | 2009 | 26 | 71 | 0.1 | 92 |
| Brooks Kieschnick | 1995 | 23 | 32 | 0.1 | 148 |
| Javier Valentin | 2001 | 25 | 4 | 0.1 | 176 |
| Cord Phelps | 2011 | 24 | 34 | 0.0 | 46 |
| Eduardo Zambrano | 1992 | 26 | 18 | -0.1 | 73 |
| Gene Schall | 1994 | 24 | 72 | -0.2 | 52 |
| Mike Ryan | 2001 | 23 | 11 | -0.2 | -68 |
| Jeff Clement | 2009 | 25 | 154 | -0.3 | 55 |
| Zach Lutz | 2013 | 27 | 0 | 0.0 | N/A |
| Trey McCoy | 1994 | 27 | 0 | 0.0 | N/A |
| Ted Wood | 1994 | 27 | 0 | 0.0 | N/A |
| Jason Maxwell | 1998 | 26 | 0 | 0.0 | N/A |
| Ryan Radmanovich | 1998 | 26 | 0 | 0.0 | N/A |
| John Roskos | 2000 | 25 | 0 | 0.0 | N/A |
Pretty uninspiring. On the aggregate, this analysis generally agrees with KATOH on Canha: He’s good enough to merit a few big league at bats, but unlikely to do a heck of a lot with them. Despite posting strong Triple-A numbers, most of these guys received little or no big league playing time the following year. There were a couple of players who got legitimate shots and ran with them. Paul Sorrento turned in a 118 wRC+ in nearly a full season’s worth of games with the 1992 Indians, and went on to have a respectable big league career. Jack Voigt — now a hitting coach in the Mets organization — also hit well when given the opportunity, although he quickly faded into obscurity shortly thereafter. However, these two cases seem to be exceptions to the rule. Most of the Canha-esque players went nowhere the following year.
Steamer and ZiPS, which take into account his minor league performance and also his hot start in Oakland, also have tempered expectations for Canha. Both systems think he’ll be roughly a league-average hitter from here on out. That’s not terrible in a vacuum, but coming from a player near the bottom of the defensive spectrum, is probably worth less than a win over a full season. ZiPS’s top comp for Canha was Jeremy Slayden. I have no idea who that is, and neither should you.
Canha can hit a little bit, but he doesn’t stand out in any of the areas that wouldn’t show up on his offensive stat line. For one, he’s never had much of a platoon split in the minors, so he likely won’t add much value as a lefty-mashing platoon partner for Ike Davis. He’s also pretty poor on defense. Most of his minor league experience has come at first base or left field, which are two of the least premium positions. He doesn’t seem to play these positions particularly well, either. According to Baseball Prospectus, he’s posted negative FRAAs in each of the past three years.
So that’s Mark Canha. He’s a bat-only player, whose bat is only mildly interesting. For the time being, he’ll continue to get semi-regular playing time in Oakland, but it’s unlikely that he’ll do enough with the bat to provide much value net of his defensive shortcomings. He was almost certainly worth the $50,000 the A’s paid for him in the rule 5, but that’s not really saying much. Despite his excellent spring and hot start to the regular season, Canha has the looks of a humdrum, backup first baseman.
Chris works in economic development by day, but spends most of his nights thinking about baseball. He writes for Pinstripe Pundits, FanGraphs and The Hardball Times. He's also on the twitter machine: @_chris_mitchell None of the views expressed in his articles reflect those of his daytime employer.
Ok, I won’t.
It seems like the pessimism of the projection systems is because Canha was always old for his level, right? Seems to me that if the Marlins’ first round pick was on pace to hit 25 homers with a 144 wRC+ in A ball in his first full season, he’d have gotten promoted a lot quicker. I think Billy Beane said this about Joey Wendle, but one assumes the logic is the same here: always being old for his level isn’t his fault. Canha played well enough to get promoted much faster than he did, and if that happened it seems like the projection systems would be much higher on him – even if he struggled a bit more.
That’s a bit of a fallacy. We don’t know how he would have done if he’d been promoted earlier. Maybe he would have been horrific and dropped back down.
Not all that convinced by this article. I understand that he’s a few years older than we’d like and isn’t talented defensively, but until I hear about mechanical flaws in his swing I’m still going to be intrigued by him.
His swing is nice with good power, and he has shown really exceptional pitch recognition and contact ability, with one strikeout thru his first 6 games. I know he will get a shot with Coco out for at least another month, and the thing about Oak is if you hit you play period. I love the Bull Durham quote after the debut, the Kids got style, and could easily be Brandon Moss volume 2 so yeah till he struggles I will support. He isn’t even platooning right now, and has still been making solid hard contact against mostly RH pitchers.
I get what we’re trying to do here, but this kind of post really isn’t helpful—there’s no discussion of who he is beyond his comps, which is a helpful mode of analysis but by no means a complete one. Do the Marlins have a history of keeping guys like this back? Is there something in his swing or batted-ball data that stands out? And why does the article make no mention of the recent Rosenthal note that suggests Canha caught Billy’s eye for one reason or another, nor does it talk about his situation with the team—he’s a rule 5, which brings a number of interesting things into consideration, as does Oakland’s recent signing of Cody Ross for league minimum. Not even a photo, gif, or video to help us understand who this guy is or why people are impressed with him so far.
CANHA KICK IT? YES YOU CAN.
+1’d before even reading the actual post for the Tribe reference
If we’re searching for a new “market inefficiency,” I think old-for-their-level players that post above-average offensive numbers that get ignored because of their lack of prospect status might be it. Kole Calhoun/Kyle Seager/etc.
Not saying there is anything wrong with your premise, but the plural of anecdote is not data. Would certainly make for an interesting study though.
Lot of A’s fans grouchy that someone urged caution on their prospect. Overrating one’s own teams’ prospects is the domain of Yankees fans, fellas.
well, Canha was never a prospect and I am pretty sure there were no A’s fans who were expected anything from him… he is the baseball equivalent of found $.
Debbie Downers like you would rather tell A’s fans that he is unlikely to hit at this pace for the whole season so you can sound smart. NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
I mean, the A’s probably only found a crumpled-up dollar bill – they know that. You don’t need to scream it at them. But it *could* be a $100 bill, ya’ never know!
Have you ever met a fan of…oh, any other baseball team?
I don’t think anyone’s grouchy about urging caution, but this seems like kind of a slapdash effort. Yeah, the comps aren’t great just based on running his numbers and age, but why don’t we look at Canha’s actual skills and see how they might play? What would a scouting report say and how does that line up with the numerical analysis?
Look, I have Canha on my fantasy team, I’d be as happy as anyone for him to outdo the projections. All this article is doing is giving the projections and some comparisons and most of the responses seem to be “yeah, but…” followed by some argument that he’s the outlier. Sure could be. There are always outliers. I just don’t see why everyone’s so upset that the projections are mediocre.
I don’t think anyone is upset that the projections are mediocre; they are what they are, and anyone who clicks on his player page can see that. But the article says “don’t get too excited”, and just citing the projections and comps doesn’t seem like a lot of added value in terms of analysis. I think it would have been reasonable for the author say “you should believe the projections BECAUSE” and add some type of validating information.
Like, for example, last year I’m sure JD Martinez’s projections were pretty crummy, but there were articles here on Fangraphs saying that “yes, but he might outperform his projections BECAUSE he changed his swing and approach as documented here.” That’s useful analysis.
In this case, something like “Canha’s projections say this, and they are right because he has weaknesses X and Y and there are no indications that he has successfully addressed them”, or “he has just benefited from some extreme BABIP luck” or something like that would have been better received.
I don’t get this article. Just seems like it’s trying to bash Canha, without really looking at the player. Comps only paint one part of the picture. Seems unfair to just say “Marlins didn’t like him, so not sure why Beane likes him”
He basically says Marlins didn’t like him, Beane saw something, people similar to him have sucked… and that’s it. Pretty bad article for Fangraphs. I agree with the majority of the responses down here.
and let’s not forget the Dee Gordon Sucks mantra too…..
Poor kid, his career is over
This article is annoying on multiple levels…
1. at 0.3 WAR already in in the books, Canha has outperformed all expectations (A’s, Marlins, fans, the author) – that seems worth celebrating and understanding further, but the author doesn’t try…
2. through one week, he is tied for 3rd on this fancy leaderboard (yes, I realize WAR can go down, too), yet the author mocks the entirety of the leaderboard and leaves the reader to draw any actual conclusion
3. the sole point (unless this was meant for Rotographs) of this article seems to be to criticize Canha for what he is LIKELY TO BE rather than what he HAS BEEN – I mean, maybe Chris Mitchell thought for a moment Canha was gonna be Nelson Cruz 2.0 and had to write this to steady his heart rate, but fo the rest of us we are just enjoying a previously unheralded ballplayer knock the cover off the ball for a week… or maybe more, but probably not…
some scribes here just love to take dumps on certain teams and players… it’s been going on for a while and I can’t really grasp why aside from the need to jump out ahead of others only to set up for the back patting session down the road.
This article actually beats expectations. I’m surprised that Canha isn’t being touted by Fangraphs as the latest stroke of genius by Beane.
good point…
Have you watched any video of Canha at all?
He’s got a reformed swing that has increased his bat speed, and his defense is above average at 1B and about average in LF/RF – hardly “bad.” And using comps of AAA flameouts isn’t the best, considering that Canha’s already getting more time then they ever did, considering he’s batting second in the lineup every day.
What arguments can you make at this point in the season? We just have to wait and see if Canha can keep hitting big league pitching. It’s that simple.
He may not be an exact comp, but it feels like Ryan Ludwick isn’t far off belonging to the same kind of group described in this piece. He wasn’t always as late moving up, but hung around AAA a bit extra (with a few MLB cameos) before finally getting a real shot in St. Louis and sticking in his age 28 season.
He also started probably the only 2-1 double play that any of us have ever seen. So at least he’ll always have that.
That string of MiLB wRC+ sure does look a lot like another bat only player that didn’t reach the majors until he was 26. Allen Craig seemed to have himself a few pretty good years until it all fell apart last year. As I recall, no one was supposed to be excited by him either.
Coincidentally, Allen Craig is another California Golden Bear, like Canha.
I’m surprised I didn’t see the name Chris Colabello anywhere in this article or comments.
Are you guys not at all familiar with what Chris Mitchell is doing? It seems like you aren’t, based on the criticisms here.
Please enlighten us with what he is doing, O wise sage.
Writing about prospects for Fangraphs? Sometimes with excellence, other times not so much?
I’ve watched all his games, and he’s been entirely outstanding on defense at 1B, LF and RF.
A’s fan here, and big-time supporter of Canha’s since the A’s traded to get him in the rule-5 draft. There is something there Beane loves. Could be his outstanding minor league numbers, ability to play 3 positions, or perhaps because he’s a CAL grad. I’ve tried to tune into every at-bat he’s had so far and one thing is true: he makes solid contact. He hasn’t gotten particularly lucky and he’s not up there just hacking at first pitch fastballs.
Will he be Albert Pujols? Certainly not. But he will stick the entire season with the A’s and has potential to stand out this season with Oakland, a la Brandon Moss back in 2012.
he was 14 in. from hitting 2 HR in his debut that ended up being doubles, and has smoked line drives at infielders for outs. I actually feel like he has been very unlucky from watching his AB with at least 5 balls that should have been hits based on how they were hit, and only one gimmie IF single.
The missing piece here is that Canha totally revamped his swing since he was in the minor leagues. According to him (from this article by Susan Slusser in SFGate: http://www.sfchronicle.com/athletics/article/A-s-prospect-Canha-things-have-sped-up-6150836.php), he found a “hitting guru” on YouTube with the purpose of maximizing the speed of contact of his bat.
Judging from the “Feed” section of the MLB At Bat App, which has been showing speed of batted balls, he’s been consistently in the 100-110 mph range, and hittrackeronline labels his HR as one of the hardest hit of the year so far.
His swing doesn’t look anything like his minor league swing. Watch these videos of him swinging in the minor leagues and he’s unrecognizable from the hitter on the A’s: https://youtu.be/41mP3dfkduM
So the reason to get excited is the possibility that the results so far this season (and in Spring Training) represent a new skill level.
Huh… cool thanks for linking to that video. Was easy enough to find footage of him from 2015. His swing looks so much better now…
He has pretty similar/better numbers to Josh Donaldson in AAA around 2011/2012. It’s not likely he’ll be that good, but not unprecedented.
Also, that list combined for 800 PAs or so. Judging them on non-results doesn’t mean much when there’s no data.
Yes, but Cahna wasn’t a first round pick, so, you know, we can’t really compare him to Donaldson.
True, but I imagine a lot of later-career breakouts by high picks is just getting more chances.
Yes, I was joking. Seems like sometimes people place more or less emphasis on actual performs based on draft round, which assumes that players can’t improve or ignores that maybe they were not evaluated properly in the first place. My point is, the author points out that Cahna was a 7th round pick, but what relevance does that even have at this point? Look at what he’s actually done as a professional and evaluate him on that.
I think the author’s research is thorough, however this article seems to make a number of presumptions, and fails to make any pro-Canha arguments. The most glaring thing that the article presumes is that there is a direct correlation between the stats of a few players chosen by the author to Canha. Secondly, these statistics also assume that Canha is not going to be receiving many starts.
‘Despite posting strong Triple-A numbers, most of these guys received little or no big league playing time the following year. There were a couple of players who got legitimate shots and ran with them.’
As another poster previously mentioned, Canha was specifically sought out by Billy Beane who did all he could to secure him as a rule 5 pick. As such, he must remain on the 25 man roster all year or be offered back to the Marlins. Most importantly, he was destined to platoon at 1st with Ike Davis, but actually doesn’t really have a weakness in his splits. Righties usually can hit righties. Couple that with dual position ability and a DH and playing time won’t likely be an issue.
He’s also started the majority of games thus far. Looking at the playing time being in his age 26 season, the stats he put up last year with a bit of regression, and he could definitely wind up being a viable fantasy option.
billy beane wanted to trade up in the rule 5 draft specifically to get him. i’ll trust that over the marlins or the author. will he be a star, probably not, will he be useful? very well could be.
are there any stats he has that compare favorable to others, or did you not want those and only picked a bad one to show to suggest failure is imminent?
how do former cal bears players selected in the rule 5 draft do in their careers? that stat may be useful too..
Hadn’t heard of him before this year but he does seem like the type people used to write things like “Free Erubiel Durazo !” (Good A’s pickup), “Free Kila Ka’aihue!” (not so good A’s pickup). Was there ever a movement for “Free Jack Cust !”? (so-so A’s pickup).
There were many ‘Free Jack Cust!’ movements, and even a search for his doppleganger:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/in-search-of-the-next-jack-cust-part-i-of-ii/
As Canha comps (in career trajectory, not prospect profile) Ryan Raburn and Jonny Gomes were right-handed bats that eventually provided some low-cost value in their late 20s after being written off by many in their early 20s.
I also would object to the ‘bat-only’ characterization of Canha. Frank Thomas was bat-only. Canha can passably play three positions plus DH, which coupled with his early success and A’s injuries makes me him a great candidate to stick all year with the A’s. There’s a huge difference between being bat only and being merely a below-average defender, in terms of roster versatility and flexibility.
This guy is going to have a good enough career to make it to arby one day and make a few million bucks eventually.
I bet when A’s Donaldson was aquired… Same crap was said!!! Canha will be better than “bench bat”!
Donaldson was written off by many A’s fans as recently as 2012, and led to a few ‘The Rich Harden trade was a disaster!#*#%’ posts on AN.
Some hitters just take a long time to put it all together. It doesn’t make much sense to write them off completely when they still have 0.0 years of service time (6.9 years of team control) and they are about to enter their physical peak, like Donaldson was in 2011 and Canha is now.
AN is the MOST over-thinking, reactionary team site on that network. Proceed with caution in taking anything anyone ever says there.
I know who Jeremy Slayden is! Don’t judge me!
No worries. As A’s fans, we’re used to our team and players being unappreciated and underrated by the baseball fan and writer community
See, Mark Canha really is THE replacement level player for 2015, and therefore ineligible for fWAR.
…and when he gets his 1.6 fWAR for 2015, it will have to be negated (title doesn’t change on a DQ) or applied elsewhere.
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I don’t get how the author uses a batter’s BAPIP as a component to look for similar seasons? (Not asking the question, but why not just use Batting Average?) And then he puts BAPIP right next to speed and power components. Uncool. Sheeesh.
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Lack of historical minor league BAPIP, ISO, certainly affects this Paul Sorrento sample group. Same goes with any defensive stats – reliable info is not there or just recently in place…and then the author sorta falls back on the idea that Canha has little defensive value, which is not so.
The weird thing about Canha is, defensively and on the bases, he’s passing the eyetest with flying colors. Sure he might not be an All-Star, but he doesn’t have to be. I think he will absolutely have a better career than Nate Freiman, who was the last Rule V guy the A’s felt like keeping all season.
I think what I find off-putting about this article is it’s not clear who is being cautioned over their wild enthusiasm. Who’s getting too excited? Fantasy players? A’s fans? Billy Beane? It’s written as though there’s Kris Bryant grade hype about Canha when in fact there was considerably little hype there, he’s performed excellently in a very brief period of time, and I think most everyone following Canha is in the range of dismissive to vaguely optimistic. Not to mention the other angle, which is that he’s dismissed here out of hand with virtually no detailed analysis of his performance. The “why, specifically, is this guy doing well and why might or might not it continue” questions that Fangraphs excels at exploring.
This read like “you [undetermined] people are so gullible for thinking some guy will play well and he won’t, because of these nobodys who had his ISO in AAA at age 25, okay?” Just an odd tone. Anything he can contribute to the A’s at what he cost them makes Canha a bargain.
There was absolutely no hype on Canha and even into the last week of ST he was looking like being returned to the Rockies. The fact that he’s hitting lasers and playing excellent defense and hitting at the top of the order in his first week is perhaps why this article was written.
But yeah, no one actually thinks he can sustain this all-star level of play, but a lot of us are excited to see a guy get a legit shot to become an everyday guy. Tyler Ladendorf looked really solid too and is a better defender at many positions, but needs a little more seasoning at the plate, but even still, get ready to see more articles like this one when he finally gets his shot “Dont expect Ladendorf to be the next Zobrist”, whatever, this type of article might even be a reaction to the hordes of “Fangraphs loves everything the A’s do” types who are just haters and jealous because Beane doesn’t build a team “the right way”.
I’m with you. The fan part of me is looooving watching Canha exceed expectations (and yes, the fact that he’s making 110 mph outs is one of the things I had in mind when I suggested that an article like this take a deeper look into his performance). I’m firmly at the optimistic end of the Canha spectrum and therefore maybe the exact intended audience for this piece. But even still, it’s not like the internet is exploding with overreaction about Canha’s future, and if I’m just enjoying the ride, I don’t really know who the author is trying to talk down here — it’s kind of like I just asked someone how their day was going and got “Stop judging me!!!!” in response.
What Canha has done already is produce more value than anyone expects the 25th guy on the roster to produce. The insinuations in this article seem more fitting for someone who had lofty expectations around him in some way, shape or form. Not a rule 5 guy who is hitting well.
Also yeah, the “u guys worship the A’s, ugh!” crowd is so tiresome. But it amuses me that anyone would have enough interest in baseball to read Fangraphs and still be offended by people appreciating the job Beane has done. Maybe this is just an anticipation of that reaction.
The fact that the Marlins didn’t see to protect Canha or bring him up is not a compelling negative given their recent record of organizational failure.
Billy Beane thought enough to acquire him and looking at Oakland’s roster, I’m willing to bet Canha gets every opportunity to win the LF job since the other Oakland outfielders (Reddick & Ross) have a proven record of injury and mediocrity.
The guy has serious drive….. He’s going to be around a long time.