Eight Thoughts on Adam Dunn
After consulting the masses via Twitter, today I am going to share eight (very) loosely related thoughts regarding Adam Dunn:
1. Tired Dunn Talking Point A: Despite strikeout numbers that make traditionalists cringe, Adam Dunn is an outstanding hitter, sporting a .398 wOBA since 2008.
2. Tired Dunn Talking Point B: Despite being a tremendous hitter, Dunn’s defense both in the outfield and at first base, according to defensive metrics as well as scouting reports, is so dreadful that it seriously compromises his overall value, particularly in the NL where he cannot be DHed.
3. According to WAR, Dunn might be on the way to having his the best season ever, having compiled three Wins Above Replacement already. Of course, there’s still plenty of season to go, and we’re too smart to fall for “on pace” claims, right?
4. From 2004 through 2008 Adam Dunn hit 40 or more home runs every season, and hit exactly 40 each season from 2005-2008. He hit 38 last season. Yet Dunn has never participated in the Home Run Derby. While this is probably due to the way that invitations are distributed, isn’t it more than a bit weird that Brandon Inge has been in the Home Run Derby and Adam Dunn hasn’t?
5. Dunn has had classic “old player skills” from almost the very beginning of his major league career: defensive limitations, lack of speed, low batting average, great power, high strikeout rate, high walk rate, etc. But at 30, the offensive decline the older player skills theory would have us expect has, shall we say, remained “well-hidden” in Dunn’s case:
This doesn’t refute the general notion of old player skills. Nor does it mean that Dunn should not be expected to decline soon (one should expect that from most in their 30s). It is simply interesting.
6. Curiously enough, Dunn seems to be “reneging” a bit on his geezer skills status this season: his current .288 batting average is higher than it has ever been over a full season. While his strikeouts are as frequent as ever, his 2010 walk rate of 10.9% is by far the worst of his career. Bizarrely enough, the relatively high batting average has occurred in a season that Dunn’s swings are making less contact (69.6% contact rate) and he is swinging at more pitches outside of the zone than ever before (28.8% O-Swing versus 17.8% career). If I didn’t know better, I’d be tempted to think that loosening up his plate discipline has enabled Dunn to find a Fountain of Youth.
7. Despite Dunn’s efforts, Ryan Zimmerman’s all-around excellence, and the coronation of Stephen Strasburg, the Nationals are out of it. Trading Dunn, who is a free agent (likely Type A) after the season, is the logical choice. While there have been rumors of mutual interest between Dunn and the Nationals regarding a multi-year extension, those are dying down, fortunately for Nationals fans. While Dunn has aged gracefully so far (at least at the plate), given that the team is (optimistically) at least two years away from contending, a big long-term deal for any should-be DH in his early 30s, old player skills or not, is usually a bad idea, especially for an NL team.
8. ZiPS Rest-of-Season projections see Dunn as about a +18 hitter over the remainder of the season; let’s call him 2 WAR overall for the rest of 2010. He is probably owed between five and six million dollars for the rest of his contract, so unless Washington eats a substantial portion of his contract, there’s probably only three million dollars worth of projected surplus here — not bad, but probably not worth much more than a decent “C” prospect or two with some upside. However, because Dunn will likely be a Type A free agent in the offseason, draft pick compensation for the team offering him arbitration (assuming he turns it down) bumps the total projected surplus up to around nine million dollars, which means “B” prospects (plus filler) should definitely be in play.
Matt Klaassen reads and writes obituaries in the Greater Toronto Area. If you can't get enough of him, follow him on Twitter.

You’re stupid. Zimmerman/Dunn/Willingham are a nice 3-4-5.
you’re stupid, you think the nationals are trying to win.
man I hope they’re trying to win. I laid money at -130 for them to win more than 70.5 games this year.
hey nobody gives a crap
“ZiPS Rest-of-Season projections see Dunn as about a +18 hitter over the remainder of the season, let’s call him 2 WAR overall for the rest of 2010”
+18 runs on offense, plus no speed, plus bad defense, plus offensive position = 2 WAR???
He was being generous?
plus replacement level (about 10 runs in half a season)
Well yeah if you stick him at DH for the rest of the year.
Lets ignore the fact that Dunn is now a completely average fielder… That’ll really help things.
Stereotypes are hard to break, but just watch the man play… he’s a perfectly capable first basemen that has worked hard at getting better… hell, his UZR shows this.
Anyone that hates on Dunn’s defense (this year) is ignorant, or hasn’t seen the man play.
I’ve seen him play and I’ve seen nothing to tell me it’s not just fortune and small sample size.
I also haven’t seen anything that says it isn’t.
If you wanted to say that since his move to first base, full time, last August, he has played as if he is something like a -10 to 0 run first basemen, I’m not sure how you could back it up except through observation (where there is a difference of opinion), or through something that would be a small sample size statistic.
If it is possible to look at when & how he piled up his UZR last year, you might be able to isolate out close to a year of that statistic since he became a full time first baseman after the trade deadline. That would still be a small sample size though. There is a school of thought that much of his negative UZR rating was piled up before he became a full time first baseman.
I’m not sure if the 750 or so innings he played at first as a fill in for the Reds up thorugh 2006 reallly tells you much about how he plays as a full timer. It’s pretty old, and no one is claiming he could handle position shifts or part time duty there.
If, in the wisdom of the Nats management, Dunn is now closer to a -5 USR first baseman than a -23, -48, -35, or -30 UZR/150 he was when he was a part timer, then the WAR calculation for the future of Dunn changes a heck of a lot. Even the non-home team FANS on this site rated him as only a -15 first basemen going into this year. It’s hard to see how he’s done anything to make that number seem low.
His UZR of -27.5 in 278 games there is mediocre? That’s a UZR/150 of -17. If you say he’s mediocre, then so was 2000-2008 Derek Jeter and we all know that Derek wasn’t mediocre during those years.
Plus/Minus also has him at -27 defensive runs saved. This year’s UZR isn’t indicative of how bad of a defender he is virtually anywhere.
People love to misrepresent UZR based on small sample sizes. A terrible fielder, with a long history of being terrible, has a half-season of not being terrible, and now he’s completely average, regardless of past history. UZR can be misused just as easily as batting average.
Yet isn’t it pretty much accepted that Jeter has changed the way he moves towards the ball and has changed how he fields, and that is consistent with his improvement in objective defensive ratings in 2008 – 2010? I guess the point is that part time Dunn was horrid as a first baseman, but full time Dunn might merely be a bit below average. Given how negative his UZR had been, just going from historically bad to bad but acceptable would be a 1.5 – 2 win improvement, which is huge but not out of line from a -30 UZR/150 to a -10 or -5 uzr/150 first baseman.
Derek Jeter’s worse year was -18/150. Most of his career he’s been a -5 or so.
This year he’s a -2. Its looking like last year was just a fluke.
I’ve watched far too many Nats games this year, and I have to agree, Dunn has noticeably improved his defense at 1B. While he is by no means good, I think your estimation that he’s more -10 – 0 on the UZR scale to be accurate. He’s still not great with the glove (he’s dropped several balls other 1B would have caught and had difficulty snagging balls from the dirt), but overall I think he’s competent at first.
Unless one of Dunn’s detractors can add anything beyond citing his 1B defensive statistics from 20 games in 2005, then I’m pretty confident that he has made vast improvements. Especially, because the same data everyone else is using to point to his poor defensive ability, supports my claim that he has improved (-0.6 UZR through 700 innings).
Everyone is right.
Adam Dunn is a terrible fielder and he’ll never improve.
Better?
He’s nearing his 30s and he’s not exactly athletic. How do you think he’ll improve?
The only thing that says he will improve in the longterm is that he’ll become more experienced playing there everyday. I thought about that when looking at Mark Teahen earlier in the year, thinking, “hey, he’s always been shifted around everywhere, maybe he’ll finally settle down defensively playing one position.” Boy was I wrong…
And Jeter had a -23 Total Zone in 2000, he had a three year stretch from 2005 to 2008 where he compiled a -40. No matter how rosy you make Derek out to be, he still sucked at fielding for a while.
Yea, its a small sample of half a season, but what evidence do we have that Dunn can’t be a compitent first basemen given full practice and playing time? . The best we can say now is that it is inconclusive… It could very well be that he was just miscast as an outfielder.
People seem to have found the holy grail of hatred for Dunn in UZR, if he turns into a 5-6 WAR player this year, are we really frowning at that?
Actually, this Dunn defense argument is not Matt’s main point. His +18 runs estimate as a hitter looks at his value as a DH to a team like Chicago or Tampa Bay, rather than as a first baseman. whether anyone thinks he can play first will be more of an issue for his next contract, not his value in trade two weeks from now.
not his argument, but seems to be the main argument from the commentors here
So… small sample size of 700 innings this year isn’t usable to judge him. Yet prior to this year he’s had a grand total of 2125.2 innings at 1B before. And of those only 668 came after 06. Hell, last year his TZ was only -7. Which is bad but nothing like the -15UZR says he put up or the -30/150 UZR says he put up. Why is it impossible for him to have gotten used to the position and have learned how to at least competently field there/
This history he has is something that is measured from 02 to 06 in samples only twice bigger than 250 innings. And then he came to the Nats and had another tiny 120 innings. Then last year he shifted there and eventually moved full time. Seeing as it was a full time thing and he knew it, isn’t it possible he worked on his 1B skills over the offseason so he could not suck completely? I’m not saying it’s a sure thing, but this is the biggest sample he’s ever had in a season and we’re only just over halfway through, that’s how little 1B he’s actually played. What he has now is nearly 1/3 of his total innings ever at the position and by the end of the year will be close to 40% of his total sample size.
If say he finished the season at -3UZR or so, how exactly do you judge him at 1B? Even now I’d say it’s pretty hard when so much of his entire career at the position is based on this year an it’s so vastly different than his past fielding at 1B. But if he finishes the season decently he should have a good what, 1100 to 1200 innings out of a total 2500 to 2600 innings at the position altogether? I’d say, if nothing else, he’s made himself a very major question mark at 1B so far this year. There’s just no way any of the sample sizes, given the huge difference between this year and others and taking into account the sporadic playing time in which they were acquired, can give anyone a definite conclusion.
Proof that walking is an old man’s skill. Yet Dunn is not old yet. HMMM
http://gameofinches.blogspot.com/search/label/walking%20is%20an%20old%20man%27s%20skill
People who call other people stupid are stupid, except me of course. And really DJ Troll shouldn’t you be on your Harry Potter or Twilight forums and leaving the grown ups alone?
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ryan howard is also a 30-year old 1B.
2010 OPS+:
howard 136
dunn 147
2009-10 OPS+:
howard 138
dunn 145
2008-10 OPS+:
howard 133
dunn 140
yes, we all know that howard is a “marvel” with the glove, and that he “screams” down the bases with terrific speed. granted. but with the BAT? dunn is tremendous. and BETTER.
how about a guy named hank aaron?
through age 29, aaron had 342 career home runs and averaged about 39 per season in his late-20s.
through age 29, adam dunn had 316 career home runs, and averaged 41 per season in his late-20s.
aaron hit 24 as a 30-year old, and then 32 at age 31. dunn has 23 already at age 30, and will likely close the gap on aaron.
yes, we all know about ballparks and eras and blah blah blah. so? this is about just pure bulk stats. and – like it or not – adam dunn is not that far off of aaron’s pace…through age 30. what happens AFTER that is…he he he. still – it kinda makes you think, no?
dunn’s “favorite toy” (after projecting him with 37 for this season) number for 600 career HR is…44%.
by the way, dunn has 95 more homers than ryan howard.
dunn has 161 to go for 500 career homers.
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