Eric Thames Hasn’t Been Awesome
Here’s an advertisement I saw while reading an article earlier this morning:
I know how internet advertising works. I know it doesn’t matter that I saw that ad while reading an article that had nothing to do with sports. The internet knows I spend a lot of time on baseball websites. Hence, a baseball ad. But the specific ad itself doesn’t know that I’ve been interested in Eric Thames. That ad was prepped with Thames in the middle of it. It wasn’t prepped before the start of the season — it wouldn’t have made sense to feature Thames, or really any Brewer. This ad is a reflection of how well Thames started the year. It’s a reflection of how quickly he achieved broad recognition. Eric Thames was selected to help promote MLB.tv. Not Mike Trout. Not Bryce Harper. Eric Thames.
Thames’ start was absolutely incredible. He hit the ground sprinting, and I’m sure you remember all the coverage he was given. He was, and still is, a heck of a story. The Brewers are still happy to have him. But it’s worth pointing out that Thames hasn’t been the same. For whatever reason, he’s slipped into a slump.
Thames missed a few games in the middle of May. We’ll come back to that later. For now, that makes for a convenient time to split Thames’ season into approximate halves. In this table, Thames leading up to those days, and Thames ever since those days.
| Split | PA | wRC+ | K% | Contact% | Z-Contact% | O-Swing% | EV | xwOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 5/14 | 154 | 183 | 23% | 74% | 83% | 18% | 88.4 | 0.396 |
| Since 5/18 | 123 | 97 | 32% | 64% | 69% | 28% | 86.2 | 0.305 |
His wRC+ has been cut almost in half. Thames’ strikeouts have gone up, and that’s been fueled by a considerable drop in contact rate. Thames, also, has gone out of the zone more often, and according to the Statcast information at Baseball Savant, Thames has hit the ball a little weaker, on average. That last columns refers to expected wOBA, which is a wOBA estimate based on strikeouts, walks, and Statcast batted-ball data. That column supports the idea we’re not just talking about the vagaries of luck. Thames has dropped from right around .400 to right around .300. That doesn’t happen by chance.
As we dig in, let’s take a look at an at-bat between Thames and Juan Nicasio, from Tuesday. The at-bat lasted three pitches. Here’s the first:
Here’s the second:
And here’s the third:
Nicasio throws legitimate gas. He’s a good pitcher, who gets his strikeouts. But that’s Thames just getting blown away, three pitches in a row. It’s worth reflecting on Thames’ first home run of the season:
The slump seems to be most closely tied to hard pitches. Following the lead of Brooks Baseball, I’ll consider hard pitches to be fastballs and cutters. Through May 14, against hard pitches, Thames had 15 strikeouts and eight home runs. Since May 18, against hard pitches, he’s at 28 and two, respectively. There are hints that opponents might be noticing:
That isn’t very dramatic. That shows a gentle rise, that might just self-correct. But let me show you a similar plot, this time highlighting Thames’ run values.
Early on, Thames was one of the best hard-pitch hitters in the league. It didn’t look like he’d have a difficult time readjusting after leaving South Korea. More recently, Thames has been one of the worst hard-pitch hitters in the league. His run values have dropped precipitously. To look at something else: through May 14, Thames’ contact rate against hard pitches ranked in the 30th percentile. Nothing great, but also nothing horrible. Since May 18, his contact rate against hard pitches has ranked in the 1st percentile. Only two hitters have made less contact, and this largely helps to explain the drop in Thames’ Z-Contact%. He’s been swinging through hard pitches, and hard pitches are frequently thrown in the zone. If you can’t make consistent in-zone contact, you’re going to get yourself in a whole lot of trouble.
Now, a few things. Even since May 18, Thames has been basically a league-average hitter. He’s by no means been terrible, so the Brewers have gotten by. He’s still popped his share of home runs. And, I said we’d come back to the missed games. A few weeks into the year, Thames developed a tight hamstring. Then he had to miss a few days on account of strep throat. Thames was in pain, and he was sick. It makes sense his swing might’ve been affected for the worse. It makes sense he might’ve lost some timing or energy. Even if he feels totally healthy now, he has to get himself back up to speed. You can’t just flip a switch.
So this could be simply a blip. And I don’t want to be too hasty to credit opposing pitchers for making the necessary adjustments, because Thames hasn’t been pitched that differently. Heaven knows he was obliterating heat when he saw it in April. Thames has developed a hole in his swing, but it seemingly came out of nowhere, and he could close it up today or tomorrow. His swing is still quick, and his eye is still good.
But something, at least, has been going on with Eric Thames. Whether because of the hamstring, the illness, or something else, Thames has become vulnerable against decent velocity. He’s started to see more velocity in June, and he continues to swing and miss. The Eric Thames that excited the country blended discipline, contact, and power. Those skills have deteriorated, and Thames needs to find a way to bring them back. It’s pretty fundamental — good hitters need to be able to hit strikes. Thames hasn’t hit the strikes that he used to.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.



Read some local media suggesting he was pressing without Braun in the lineup. Maybe, but the hamstring issue sounds more plausible to me.
Keep in mind, the guy did have a four-game home run streak recently and then followed it up with doing nothing for several games. The answer might just be: Eric Thames is streaky.
He’s does remind me a lot of Justin Upton.
I predict a resurgence that coincides with the next time he faces Reds pitching.
The emergence of Sogard has him pressing to be the best Eric on the team.
“But something, at least, has been going on with Eric Thames.”
Cherry-pick 120 PA of anyone’s season, and you can easily reach the erroneous conclusion that “something” was going on when in fact it was normal variation.
this is true, but it is also true that sometimes things do go on
Yes, yes and more yes, which is why 90% of the articles you read on even the best saber sites is nonsense like this.
Related, breaking news: 300 PA of low Lindor BABIP prove that his days as a .300 hitter are over!
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=32099
Just because variation is expected or normal, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a cause.
It seems like his true value lies somewhere between a replacement 1B and peak Goldschmidt. That doesn’t sound like a useful distinction, but I think it’s important here given how much risk he was perceived as having. If the rest of baseball was convinced that he had floor of 2015-2016 Mark Reynolds, but with significantly more upside based on his monster KBO numbers and a better spot on the aging curve, he probably gets at least double the money he took this time around. He doesn’t have to be much better than his recent slump for the Brewers to be happy with this deal.
Peak Goldschmidt might be a bit of a reach, no? At least as far as a sustainable production level for Thames, I would have to think his ceiling is a bit lower than the top 2 or 3 hitter in the league
Next can we get an article comparing Chase Headley’s April with the rest of the year? Something going on? Or just regression?
Always remember batter stabilization, per http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17659
Small sample sizes can be very deceptive.
Not saying PED’s, but the dude is yoked. I do think these guys seem to wear down overtime more? Like, maybe the routine and training that went into making them that yoked in the offseason’s cannot sustain for that long in season due to schedule and wear and tear? I am not even saying stoping PED’s is the culprit, but even just stopping the routine that he kept going into the season changing may be slowing him down.
I would lift hard regularly for 9 months before wrestling season, and always would come in like a beast, but my body slowly lost that strength and power over the course of the season….not all, but it was noticeable and gradual. A small loss of power and explosion could very much alter a swing/timing and results. Just spitballing.
“I’m not saying PED’s” — says it two separate times. Cause I’m not saying you’re a troll who insinuates tedious accusations without any evidence whatsoever. See? I didn’t say anything about you being a troll.
(The rest of your post is interesting and potentially valid, which just makes it all the more unfortunate you had to go with the “I’m not saying… I’m just saying” construction that has unfortunately become an all-too-common way to throw around baseless aspersions while deflecting all responsibility for being a baseless aspersion thrower)
True skills don’t deteriorate in a month. The skill was either never there; or it’s something else. Maybe he’s off whatever HGH he was on (no, all the testing he had does not prove innocence, you can take stuff that is masked) and the mental edge he had was gone. Perhaps some strength is gone now and that affects bat speed and now getting beat with hard stuff. I don’t know. But what I do know is that not everything meets the eye here, and it’s not as simple as a deteriorated skill from April.
he had strep throat and hurt his hamstring twice, maybe that instead of HGH?
Ever hear of month to month variance in baseball performance?
This news of Thames not being god has me very not moist Jeff, some might say dry even.
This is just from eyeballing the GIFs above, but his timing does look off. Check out his right foot on the homer vs. his right foot on all of the swinging strikes. On the recent GIFs, his right foot seems to hitch up before the swing, and flies open after. He seems off-balance.
On the homer, everything about the swing looks seamless (not an A+ scouting eval here, I know…). His foot smoothly transitions after the swing, too.