Evaluating the 2016 Prospects: Atlanta Braves

*EDIT: After a strong showing from internet commenters, I added a couple changes to this piece. You’ll see that Austin Riley and Kolby Allard were both added to the list, as well as some notes under Ryan Weber’s report.

I’m going to leave the overall grades the same here, though AS WITH EVERYBODY overall grades may change by the time I get to the composite prospect list. I originally wanted to put three overall grades in these reports, then thought about leaving them out entirely because of their likelihood to change, before finally settling on putting a likely future value in for some comparisons. The innernets say no. I’m new here.

I’m reserving the right to change grades as I go along, this being the first time I’ve compiled reports on a volume this scale, though I have decided to put three values in for overall grades in the future lists. This should help clear up some of the questions people have about how I can agree that pitcher Mel Clark has a high ceiling, but only makes it on the list in the 45+ section. Enjoy!

The Braves have made some headlines this year with a number of trades to bring in young talent. While the short-term picture suffers with the loss of some popular, productive players, they are setting their future up with a lot of depth in their farm system. With a few players on the verge of contributing to the big league team, the next year or two may not be as bad as it could be trading away so much present value.

The big push of prospects could come from players at A-ball Rome and below. There are a lot of interesting talents who have entered the system in the last year or two that haven’t yet revealed how high their ceilings could be. The lower-level collection of players has a lot of risk involved, but the sheer volume of players with talent should ensure the Braves will reap the benefits of the work they’ve put into the farm.

Here’s the primer for the series and my scouting thoughts in general. The grades I put on players heavily weight the functionality of each tool in game situations, rather than just pure tool grades. Here is a table to understand the position player grades:

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Scouting Grades in Context: Hitters
Grade Tool Is Called Batting Average HR ISO Baserunning Runs Fielding Runs
80 80 0.320 40 0.300 12 30
75 0.310 35-40 0.275 10 25
70 Plus Plus 0.300 30-35 0.250 8 20
65 0.290 27-30 0.225 6 15
60 Plus 0.280 23-27 0.200 4 10
55 Above Average 0.270 19-22 0.175 2 5
50 Average 0.260 15-18 0.150 0 0
45 Below Average 0.250 12-15 0.125 -2 -5
40 0.240 8-12 0.100 -4 -10
35 0.230 5-8 0.075 -6 -15
30 0.220 3-5 0.050 -8 -20

As well as one to understand what the overall grades approximate:

Scouting Grades in Context: Overall
Grade Hitter Starting Pitcher Relief Pitcher WAR
80 Top 1-2 #1 Starter —- 7
75 Top 2-3 #1 —- 6
70 Top 5 #1/2 —- 5
65 All-Star #2/3 —- 4
60 Plus #3 High Closer 3
55 Above Avg #3/4 Mid Closer 2.5
50 Avg Regular #4 Low CL/High SU 2
45 Platoon/Util #5 Low Setup 1.5
40 Bench Swing/Spot SP Middle RP 1
35 Emergency Call-Up Emergency Call-Up Emergency Call-Up 0
30 *Organizational *Organizational *Organizational -1

One other difference for the way I’ll be communicating scouting grades to you is the presence of three numbers on each tool instead of just two. The first number is the current grade. The second number is the likely future grade; or, if you prefer percentiles, call this the 50th percentile projection. The third number is the ceiling grade, or 90th percentile projection, to help demonstrate the volatility and raw potential of a tool. I feel this gives readers a better sense of the possible outcomes a player could achieve, and more information to understand my thoughts on the likelihood of reaching those levels.

In the biographical information, level refers to where they finished the year, unless they were sent down for injury rehab or other extraneous reasons. Ages are listed as of April 1, 2016. You can also find each player’s previous rank from Kiley’s list last year. Below, Dave Cameron shares his thoughts on the general state of the organization. Returning for his popular cameo, Carson Cistulli picks his favorite fringe prospect toward the end of the list. Next up will be the Baltimore Orioles.

Organizational Overview

Rather than make a run at mediocrity while hoping to catch a few breaks along the way, the Braves have instead chosen to start from scratch, almost completely revamping a roster that won 96 games as recently as 2013. Freddie Freeman and Julio Teheran are all that remain of that roster, and the pieces now surrounding those two are not much to speak of. Barring some remarkable improvements, the 2016 Braves are going to be awful.

The bet, however, is that the stockpile of arms that the team has spent the last year acquiring can bring the team back to contention in short order. Betting on arms — especially high-risk arms, which is what the team has specialized in acquiring over the last year — is a path fraught with peril, but with risk comes opportunity, and if the Braves are right about several of the young hurlers they’ve picked up recently, it’s not entirely far fetched to see them following in the footsteps of the Mets. They’ll have to add some better hitters along the way, and I don’t know that I’d have bet my franchise’s future on so many arms with health and/or command issues, but if a couple of the high-end starting prospects pan out, the Braves won’t be awful for too long. If these bets don’t pay off, though, there could be a long string of dark days in Atlanta.

50+ FV Prospects

1. Ozhaino Albies, SS
Current Level/Age: A/19.2, 5’9 150, S/R
Acquired: Signed in 2013 out of Curacao by ATL for $350,000 bonus
Previous Rank: 1

Albies has made quite the impression since entering full-season ball in 2014. He has obvious abilities on defense with a lightning-fast release and above-average arm strength. Albies brings simple but direct footwork into each play at shortstop, and will have no problem sticking at the position at an above-average clip in the future. His baserunning skill has already shown up with 51 stolen bases and 13 times caught stealing across the last two seasons.

On both sides of the plate, he takes advantage of the lesser defenses in the lower minors with a high ground-ball rate, where his plus to plus-plus times down the line give him many extra hits. Though these will not be as plentiful against better fielders, he has enough line drive lift in his swing to keep hitting at a high level.

I do have some concerns over his ability to continue barreling up offspeed pitches as they become more difficult to hit. Albies gets away with being off-balance and off-timing because of a great bat path and quick hands. He has to rely on it a little too often for me to comfortably project him more than above-average as the most likely result. If he can improve his balance and/or pitch recognition, he can reach his ceiling as a plus to plus-plus hitter.

The power production will continue to be the result of well-struck line drives in the gaps, as well as his speed on the bases. He shows a little more potential from the right side to hit for power with more use of his legs in his swing, but overall he is not projectable as a major power threat.

Hit: 35/55/65 Power: 25/30/35 Run: 60/60/65 Field: 55/60/65 Throw: 60/60/
FV/Role: 60

2. John Gant, RHP
Current Level/Age: AA/23.7, 6’5″/205, R/R
Acquired: Drafted 642nd overall (21st round) in 2011 out of Florida by NYM for $185,000 bonus, Traded to ATL 7/2015
Previous Rank: NA

Gant has steadily put up big numbers over the last three years without much attention paid to him. Placed in Double-A to start the year, his strikeout rate dropped and his walks spiked. After being demoted to High-A, he went back to striking out more than a batter per inning and turned a possible setback season into another step forward, continuing his success when promoted once again.

I think too much emphasis is put on reasons to doubt him rather than focusing on his strengths. Watching him pitch, he often finishes his delivery with his back leg stuck behind his body, giving the whole thing a stunted look. It happens even more obviously when he tries to reach back for extra velo. However, all the important parts of his delivery are very good. He keeps himself in line with the plate very consistently, gets good drive out of his legs, and has some of the cleanest arm action you could ask for.

Gant throws a low- to mid-90s fastball with great command, an average-ish curve elevated by his ability to throw it for strikes to both sides of the plate, and a wicked changeup with split-type action. You can point to his delivery or his build as limiting factors, but he does more than enough things very well to make it work for him. I think the Braves made a great move grabbing this guy before he faces high-minors competition and invalidates his doubters.

I put Gant at the top of the pitchers in the system because he has the clearest path to getting hitters out after multiple looks. He won’t wow you with his stuff, though across the board it looks better than average. His ability to locate the ball and knowing when and how to use his offspeed pitches are huge separating factors from most pitching prospects. Others on this list have that potential, but none have it already, combined with a legitimate starter’s repertoire.

Fastball: 50/55/60 Curveball: 45/55/60 Changeup: 60/65/70 Command: 55/60/65
FV/Role: 60, #3 Starter


Video courtesy of Prospect Pipeline

3. Sean Newcomb, LHP
Current Level/Age: AA/22.8, 6’5″/245, L/L
Acquired: Drafted 15th overall (1st round) in 2014 out of U of Hartford by LAA for $2.518 million bonus, Traded to ATL 11/2015
Previous Rank: 2 (LAA)

Newcomb came over in the recent trade for Andrelton Simmons, adding to the quality of pitching depth in the upper levels of the system. His brief track record since being drafted in 2014 has shown promise, including more than one strikeout per inning through 33 starts and a superb home-run rate. His control and command will be the biggest limiting factors if they are not improved.

He has an easy delivery with velocity that belies his effort level, which looks like he should not have a problem repeating as he climbs the ladder. Still, his core is rather tight and he has some mild sequencing issues as a result. Even with the ease of his motion as a whole, his stiff midsection leaves his his velocity more dependent on his arm than at first glance.

His fastball ranges anywhere from 91 to 95 on a given day, touching 97, with good life that led to a lot of ground balls this year. The changeup, curve and slider all have their moments, but none of them really stand out as above average on a regular basis. The slider and change have more deceptive movement, but his curve has the best arm action and most comfortable look.

Newcomb has the ceiling of a high-end starter, but with some sequencing and command issues that need to be addressed, his likely future role is a bit lower than that. I think it balances out to give him room to grow on his command and feel, though with a slightly lower ceiling than might be expected given his overall stuff.

Fastball: 91-95 (97) 55/60/65 Curveball: 45/50/55 Slider: 45/50/55 Changeup: 45/50/55 Command: 40/45/50
FV/Role: 55, #3/4 Starter

4. Kolby Allard, LHP
Current Level/Age: R/18.6, 6’1″/180, L/L
Acquired: Drafted 14th overall (1st round) in 2015 out of California by ATL for $3 million bonus
Previous Rank: NA

Not much has changed with regard to Allard’s potential on the mound since being drafted, but the injury concerns cloud his picture for me. He had his second back surgery of the year at the end of the season, but a Braves source I spoke to was confident Allard would be ready to go at the start of 2016, with management of his innings a primary focus.

He has excellent stuff across the board, but he already looked very stiff in his shoulder blades and back as an amateur. It remains to be seen how the surgeries help or hinder him going forward, and that uncertainty is why I have left him unranked. For now.

*EDIT: This is about where I think Allard falls on this list currently, assuming he can get past his back injuries and get a healthy season under his belt next year. My concerns don’t really change, given the biggest problem I had with projecting him was how his upper back stiffness would affect his arm health and ability to progress overall.

My choice to leave him unranked was not a comment on his talent in any way, and in the future I will be sure to avoid any confusion by ranking players in this type of situation and explain the context there.

*Second back surgery was a false report. Hopefully this puts his future development on a normal track, and I’ll be looking forward to see his progress in 2016.

Fastball: 50/60/65 Curveball: 45/55/65 Changeup: 40/50/60 Command: 40/50/60
FV/Role: 55, #3/4 Starter


Video courtesy of MLB

5. Ryan Weber, RHP
Current Level/Age: MLB/25.7, 6’0″/180, R/R
Acquired: Drafted 658th overall (22nd round) in 2008 out of St. Petersburg JC by ATL for $125,000 bonus
Previous Rank: NA

The kind of pitching prospect I love to project, Weber has had to earn every promotion along the way to making his major league debut in 2015. He has limited free passes throughout his professional career, racking up just enough strikeouts to be interesting, but never being fully recognized in prospect circles. This season helped put him on the map, with his excellent pitchability giving him a chance in the young Braves rotation during a losing season.

Weber has a bit of funk to his delivery, with a lot of torque in his motion but not a ton of drive toward the plate. He throws from a low-three-quarter slot with excellent rotational sequencing. Despite some concern that his arm angle may put stress on his elbow, his pitching style relies on command and movement more than arm speed, and he has a clean arm action with good natural finish. He has had platoon issues in the past, through 2015 marked his best year in that department.

His stuff draws impressive marks for movement across the board, with the command he has of his full arsenal being his carrying tool. Projecting as a starter, he will need to continue developing his front-door two-seam fastball and further hone his command to be a weapon against opposite-handed hitters. There’s a chance he ends up limited to solid reliever status if he doesn’t, but I see enough ability here to be a mid-rotation contributor, even more if the command steps forward.

*EDIT: Alright, in retrospect, I could make the point about Weber without doing it in a way that enrages everyone. However, I stand by the individual pitch grades and his possible ceiling, not based on stuff, but on his movement and command profile. I hate player comps, and I may enrage more people with this, but I don’t think there’s much separating Weber from a guy like Dallas Keuchel.

Weber has a similar approach, trying to live in the low-and-away quadrant of the strike zone to survive, though without the same present command as Keuchel. Weber has a bit better movement, a bit less deception. Not saying that’s his future, just that there’s an alternative route to productivity for this type of pitcher than just “throw harder”.

Fastball: 89-92 50/55/60 Curveball: 50/55/60 Changeup: 55/60/65 Command: 55/60/65
FV/Role: 55, #3/4 Starter

6. Austin Riley, 3B
Current Level/Age: R/19.0, 6’3″/220, R/R
Acquired: Drafted 41st overall (Supplemental 1st round) in 2015 out of Mississippi by ATL for $1.6 million bonus
Previous Rank: NA

Riley is a third baseman who hit for impressive power in Rookie ball after being picked up in the supplemental first round of the same draft, whose bat could be really good as long as he keeps the strikeouts in check.

*EDIT: I admit, I screwed up leaving Riley off the list. There isn’t a ton of great information on him after the draft, but his talent is too high to be left out, and I can’t even give a reason why I did that. My mistake. Though I didn’t write on the 2015 draft, he was one of my favorites to follow as the draft happened.

Riley has made the decision to have him focus on hitting instead of pitching look like an easy one after his strong showing in two levels of Rookie ball. The concerns over his bat speed were over-hyped, as he has one of the best swing paths in the 2015 draft. He uses his legs and hips very well, creating big rotational force without needing a lot of effort due to its efficiency.

His current weaknesses center around his hit tool. Though he gets on plane early with his hands, his swing has a one-piece quality to it, where he commits all the small movements of his upper body at the same time (hands, elbow, barrel, shoulders, core…). If he starts on time, he mashes the ball. If he starts early, he has to slow his whole swing down to make up for it, rather than just slowing down a small part of his swing while keeping his hands and barrel uncommitted. He will have to work to keep his core from getting too thick, as that would add another kink in the part of his swing sequence he needs to smooth out.

He has enough athleticism to improve over time, though it certainly bears watching how well he keeps his strikeouts down. I also wonder about his pitch recognition against better competition, though the swing qualities I mention above may be the root cause of looking fooled against poor offspeed pitches as an amateur on occasion. Defensively, he has the overall athleticism and arm strength to play at least an above-average third base.

Hit: 30/45/60 Power: 40/55/65 Run: 40/40/40 Field: 55/55/60 Throw: 55/60/60
FV/Role: 55

7. Lucas Sims, RHP
Current Level/Age: AA/21.9, 6’2″/225, R/R
Acquired: Drafted 21st Overall (1st round) in 2012 out of Georgia by ATL for $1.65 million bonus
Previous Rank: 6

Sims had a good development year in 2015, reaching Double-A and making nine starts there to finish the season. The strikeouts and home run prevention have been on point, but he gave up a lot of free passes this year over his 20 total starts (5.2 BB/9). He is still ironing out mechanical issues, with sequence and rhythm inconsistencies that cause him to rely on his arm more than most, though his arm action is clean.

He has put up some excellent numbers in the Arizona Fall League, with the work he’s done to sharpen his command raising his potential ceiling. He threw many well-placed pitches down in the zone in my looks at him. Sims relies mostly on his mid-90s fastball and a sharp breaking ball in the low-80s to put hitters away, while his changeup lags behind in both movement and deception.

It will take more than a good fall season for his command issues to be forgotten, and the lack of a viable third pitch and reliable mechanics may end up relegating Sims to the bullpen. His fastball and curveball are strong enough that he may be able to remain in a starting role for now, but his future is likely as a strong back-end bullpen option.

Fastball: 93-96 (98) 55/60/65 Curveball: 55/60/65 Changeup: 35/40/40 Command: 45/50/60
FV/Role: 55, Mid Closer

8. Hector Olivera, 3B/LF/2B
Current Level/Age: MLB/30.99, 6’2″/220, R/R
Acquired: Signed in 2015 out of Cuba by LAD for 6 years/$62.5 million, Traded to ATL 7/2015
Previous Rank: NA

Olivera had a solid first year in the states, after some minor controversy during his signing process. Lingering rumors early in the year left questions about his past (missing time with a blood disorder) and current injury concerns (damaged arm?). His plus arm strength has yet to really show up, so perhaps there was some merit to the rumors, but Olivera still had a strong freshman season, dealing with a culture change, multiple minor league levels and a trade to another organization. Despite his age, he has some potential for growth in his game as he settles in.

The offensive tool kit is impressive, though the application of it is a bit less so. His barrel uncoils very early in his swing, widening the arc it takes to get to the ball. He’s strong enough to control it surprisingly well, but the length makes it unlikely he will be a high-average hitter. He makes up the ground lost in his bat path with exceptional contact ability and hand speed, though the swing makes it seem difficult to consistently barrel up the ball.

He has some looseness in his hands that helps him channel his raw strength into average game power, but Olivera does not utilize his full body well, often looking like his shoulders and hands take over very early in his swing sequence. He has the upper body strength to make it work, but the ceiling on his power may be more limited than another player of similar tools. His contact rate leaves open the possibility for approaching plus in-game power, but I don’t see it as a high likelihood.

Possessing above-average raw speed, his running game is relatively unimpressive, but is enough to keep him from being a liability on the bases as a whole. The speed is more useful under way rather than on the first step, making his range in the infield just average.

His feet get heavy fielding ground balls, and it takes some extra time for him to get rid of the ball with his quick, athletic arm. His soft hands are the best part of the defensive package, keeping him viable as an infielder nonetheless. His range may be better in the outfield where he will run greater distances, but his hands will be underutilized.

Hit: 45/50/55 Power: 45/45/55 Run: 45/45/45 Field: 55/55/55 Throw: 50/50/60
FV/Role: 50


Video courtesy of Nathaniel Stoltz

9. Max Povse RHP
Current Level/Age: A+/22.6, 6’8″/185 A+, R/R
Acquired: Drafted 102nd overall (3rd round) in 2014 out of North Carolina-Greensboro by ATL for $425,000
Previous Rank: 31

A tall, lanky righty with good body control for his size, Povse put up impressive numbers in A-level Rome before getting promoted to the Carolina Mudcats this year. He features a fastball that sits in the low-90s and a developing curveball and changeup. His secondary pitches flash above-average, though presently they are not as useful as his hard-running fastball. He made his last start in July due to a non-serious injury issue.

While Povse has limited walks very well so far in his minor league career, bouts of wildness crop up occasionally, although less than you might expect from his tall frame. He has a solid delivery with good arm action, using his whole body very well. He can sling the ball a bit out to the side when he sinks into his back leg too far, but overall his delivery is pretty consistent and conducive to command gains.

Without a clear go-to pitch for a secondary offering, Povse may go down the relief route eventually. That said, I like his athleticism on the mound enough to think he parlays his control into three average or better pitches, and stays on the starter track.

Fastball: 45/55/65 Curveball: 40/50/60 Changeup: 45/55/60 Command: 45/55/60
FV/Role: 50, #4 Starter

45+ FV Prospects

10. Mallex Smith, CF, VIDEO

The 2015 MiLB leader in stolen bases, Smith was a nice get for the Braves on account of his baserunning prowess alone. He has amazing top-end speed, and wreaks havoc on the bases with a good idea of when he can take advantage of opposing teams.

That speed only helps him so much in the field currently, since he takes crooked routes to balls and doesn’t change directions well. The potential is still there for him to play an excellent center field, but the reads will have to drastically improve, and I don’t think his hands are particularly soft either. His arm is below average overall due to rough footwork and just an average release.

At the plate, his minor league numbers have been fueled by less-skilled fielders pumping up his BABIP. He has a ground-ball/low line-drive swing with next to no power. His speed will give him some doubles and triples, and he does possess pretty good contact skills. His plate discipline needs improvement for him to continue getting on base enough to start, since right now he is more patient that selective. Big league pitchers will be able to attack him more efficiently.

Hit: 35/45/55 Power: 25/30/30 Run: 80/80/80 Field: 50/55/65 Throw: 45/45/50

11. Mike Soroka, RHP, VIDEO

Soroka rolled through 34 innings across two Rookie levels after getting nabbed in the first round last year. He struck out just over a batter per inning, with only 5 walks and no homers allowed. He throws from a three-quarter slot with a fastball that plays above its low-90s velocity due to movement and deception. His offspeed pitches need work, but the Braves are confident they will tighten up over time.

I will be interested to see how well he cleans up his delivery. He slings the ball from a closed-off stride, often running out of room for his arm to decelerate, putting stress on his arm to carry the effort. He receives praise for being very intelligent and mature beyond his years, and with some attention from Braves coaches he has the chance to jump up this list quickly.

Fastball: 40/55/65 Curveball: 40/50/60 Changeup: 45/55/65 Command: 40/50/60

12. Max Fried, LHP, VIDEO

Fried has not pitched in a game since July 21, 2014 due to recovery from Tommy John surgery. Prior to the injury he showed a lot of promise, with three pitches that scouts loved. He will look to get his development back on track in 2016, and the Braves will be able to see better what they have in Fried.

He shows good balance in his delivery, with better lower body strength than he had in high school. However, he doesn’t have a lot of rotational athleticism, in that his hips lag behind his arm often. He ends up stiff-arming a lot of pitches, throwing with his larger muscles in his upper body rather than the loose, quick driving forces you see with elite pitchers.

He throws a curveball that is easily his best offering, having excellent movement even when thrown for strikes. The feel for the changeup isn’t consistent, but it has flashed plus on occasion. His fastball sits 90-92 without much movement or command to really project it optimistically.

Overall his command left a lot to be desired, and with his reliance on a reconstructed arm in his delivery, I’m not sure I see a ton of improvement in the future there either. You can’t ignore the stuff he has, but the question marks leave Fried looking less projectable to me.

Fastball: 40/50/55 Curveball: 45/55/65 Changeup: 40/45/50 Command: 40/45/55

13. Touki Toussaint, RHP, VIDEO

On pure stuff, Toussaint has possibly the best one-two punch in the minors with his fastball and curveball. His delivery has some deception, giving hitters a difficult task picking up his hard, running fastball out of the hand. His curveball has top-of-the-scale potential, with excellent arm speed, great tilt and sharp break. I don’t see the changeup becoming a real weapon.

Still, Toussaint has struggled to repeat his release with any consistency, though there have been some strides made in that department. His lower half has gotten stronger and more stable as a result. He almost jumps toward the plate, disconnecting with the ground early and not having much hip rotation to start his throw. Luckily his upper body is very athletic and his arm is fast and clean throughout the delivery.

He really doesn’t have anything you can point to and say why he struggles with commanding the ball. There are slight mechanical and tempo issues, but I’m not sure fixing them will get him there, as he seems to lack any feel for the ball. However, his stuff is good enough to contribute toward the back end of the bullpen.

Fastball: 45/55/60 Curveball: 45/55/65 Changeup: 35/40/50 Command: 35/40/50

14. Mauricio Cabrera, RHP, VIDEO

Cabrera has a very athletic arm with strong but inward-turned legs. He gets too reliant on his arm, especially with his offspeed pitches, tending to leave them up in the zone. He doesn’t have much current feel for his slider or changeup, though his change flashed average with good run in my look at him in the AFL. He hasn’t missed a ton of bats so far, but throwing 100 mph makes it easier to project. Honing a decent second pitch will help the strikeouts kick up quickly.

Fastball: 99-101 (103) 60/70/75 Slider: 35/40/45 Changeup: 40/45/50 Command: 40/45/50

15. Chris Ellis, RHP, VIDEO

Ellis is another recent import for the Braves, just finishing an impressive first full professional season. He had a great showing in the California League before seeing his walks and homers tick upward upon moving to Double-A ball.

Ellis has a slightly closed-off stride with a quick arm that can be a little late getting to release, making him have to rush and struggle to find his release. He doesn’t stay connected to the ground very well with his legs, forcing his core and arm to do the bulk of the work, leaving his command a bit iffy at times.

His curve/slider and change show some promise, but in all he looks like a reliever to me. Despite the impressive numbers in a notorious hitters’ league, his delivery and command likely won’t let him turn over a big league lineup multiple times.

Fastball: 45/50/55 Slider: 40/45/55 Changeup: 40/45/55 Command: 40/45/50

16. Daniel Castro, 2B/SS, VIDEO

Castro has been young for every level in his career, and this year he showed he could play anywhere in the infield at the major league level. He has soft hands, sound footwork and a quick release on throws. Though his hitting numbers were underwhelming, Castro makes a ton of contact and can manipulate the barrel at a decent level. He will continue being a ground-ball-hitting machine, but his ability to square the ball up may give him a better chance of starting than most hitters of his ilk.

Hit: 40/45/45 Power: 30/35/35 Run: 50/50/50 Field: 60/60/60 Arm: 60/60/65

40+ FV Prospects

17. Braxton Davidson, RF, VIDEO

Davidson doesn’t offer much in terms of defensive or baserunning value, but he has solid potential with the bat. He struggled with strikeouts in his first taste of full-season ball, and the power he demonstrates in batting practice hasn’t shown up consistently in games yet.

He has a lot of excellent swing qualities, though he does have a tendency to let his barrel get away from him early. This causes him to have to make bigger last-second adjustments with the bat, especially on inside pitches. He will need to make better contact for his bat to carry him, though the threat of the homer should continue to reward his patient approach with on-base opportunities.

Hit: 30/40/50 Power: 35/55/65 Run: 40/40/40 Field: 45/45/45 Throw: 50/50/50

18. Ricardo Sanchez, LHP, VIDEO

Sanchez is an interesting young player who got his first taste of full-season ball in 2015. As a left-handed pitcher with good velocity and a developing curveball, there’s not much more you can ask from an 18-year-old prospect.

He has some mechanical work to do, with a bit of a crossfire delivery that relies on arm strength rather than total body involvement. Though his curveball shows excellent movement at times, his arm action is not as clean on the pitch, leading to poor command at present. There are some really good athletic qualities to his movements on the mound, though, and youth is definitely on his side.

Fastball: 40/50/55 Curveball: 40/50/60 Changeup: 35/40/45 Command: 35/45/55

19. Tyrell Jenkins, RHP, VIDEO

Jenkins’ 2015 season marked a huge success, as he crossed the 100-inning threshold for the first time in his professional career, tallying 138-plus innings between Double-A and Triple-A. The strikeouts are not there yet, and his walk rate isn’t low enough to make up the difference, but he was able to generate mostly weak contact this season with a good, not great ground-ball rate.

Mechanically he has good direction to the plate, albeit with a lot of stiffness rotationally. Though he has a fairly clean arm action, he struggles to repeat his release and has to throw a lot of fastballs to stay in counts. I have doubts about him finding the consistency he would need to be a starter, but he is an interesting prospect for bullpen conversion where he can scrap his changeup and concentrate on making his fastball/curve combo as tough to hit as possible.

Fastball: 50/55/60 Curveball: 45/50/50 Changeup: 40/40/45 Command: 40/45/45

20. Rio Ruiz, 3B, VIDEO

Ruiz struggled upon graduating to Double-A Mississippi this year, but still managed to maintain the solid walk and strikeout numbers that have been staples of his performance to date. He has some untapped raw power that will be limited by the extra length to his swing, as well as by his hands pushing past his body early and leveling out his swing path.

On the positive side, he has some athletic moves at the plate and does a good job dispersing line drives around the field. He makes a lot of contact, though the added length and average bat speed make the quality of contact somewhat unimpressive on well-executed pitches. As he sits now, he’s unlikely to develop more than fringe-average power, though he will be able to produce a high enough batting average to at least be a good bench/platoon bat.

Given his lack of impact tools in the field and on the bases, he will have more incentive than most to start lifting balls. He will need to do just that to improve both his average and power production, since he doesn’t have the speed to justify ever hitting the ball on the ground. If he can make an adjustment, he’s a starter, but I want to see it happen before adjusting his likely future grades.

Hit: 35/50/60 Power: 30/45/55 Run: 40/40/40 Field: 40/45/50 Throw: 50/50/55

21. Andrew Thurman, RHP, VIDEO

Thurman had an excellent start to the year in High-A Carolina before being promoted to Double-A for five starts to end the season. His walk rate jumped up, and remained elevated relative to his early season results as he worked through the Arizona fall season, when I got to see him.

In my view, his stuff looked below-average across the board, and he exhibited a propensity to show what pitch was coming with his upper body speed. His lower half doesn’t contribute much to the delivery, forcing his core and arm to supply the majority of the effort to move the ball. Earlier in the season his command and deception had seemed to take a step forward, but late in the year both had taken a big step back.

Thurman did miss some time in May due to the Carolina team bus crash, which the Braves official I spoke to attributed to his running out of gas the last couple months of 2015. I’m willing to discount his numbers on that account, but there are enough deficiencies here, coupled with an arm that lacks looseness, that I’m unsure his stuff plays at the big leagues at more than a reliever’s level. Seeing a rested Thurman in 2016 will go a long way to providing more clarity on his future.

Fastball: 45/50/55 Curveball: 40/45/50 Slider: 40/45/55 Changeup: 40/45/55 Command: 40/45/55

Players of Note
 

Dustin Peterson, 3B/LF, VIDEO

Peterson has had a reputation for being a solid hitter, but so far his production hasn’t quite lived up to expectations. His power is likely to be limited to his pull side due to a flat swing path that comes across the path of the pitch. The power production could progress as he matures over the next few years, but his hit tool hasn’t stood out enough to make him highly projectable. His batted ball profile will be too much on the ground-ball/low line-drive side without conscious changes to his swing and/or approach.

He has demonstrated decent walk rates with good pitch recognition, and he makes enough contact to keep progressing. With fringe-average usable speed and below-average defensive skills overall, he is going to need his offense to step forward to profile as a starter. It’s early enough yet that he has time, but right now he looks like a fringy big leaguer.

Hit: 30/40/45 Power: 30/40/45 Run: 45/45/50 Field: 45/45/45 Throw: 50/50/50

Luke Dykstra, 2B, VIDEO

Son of Nails forced his way into A-level Rome with a good performance in the GCL this year. Though the homers are likely to stay off his stat sheet, Dykstra hits the ball hard and often, with a steep downward plane to his swing. He gets overcommitted with his stride and his upper body gets pulled toward the pitcher by his hand path leading to a lot of ground balls, yet he has enough strength to sneak some balls past outfielders for occasional extra-base hits.

Between two levels this season, Dykstra only struck out an impressive 7.1% of his plate appearances. To succeed enough to climb the ranks, he will need to improve his balance and/or pitch recognition at the plate, since advanced offerings will make it difficult for him to continue relying solely on his hand-eye coordination to earn him hits.

Hit: 30/40/50 Power: 30/35/40 Run: 50/50/50 Field: 50/50/55 Throw: 40/40/45

Jason Hursh, RHP, VIDEO

Injuries have buried a lot of the promise he had in college, but Hursh has a little potential left as a ground-ball-inducing middle reliever. He will need one or both of his offspeed pitches to take a step forward to reach that level.

Fastball: 50/50/55 Slider: 40/45/50 Changeup: 35/40/45 Command: 40/40/45

Sean Godfrey, OF, VIDEO

Godfrey is a fun player to watch, with the intangibles you look for in a player to exceed expectations. He is very unlikely to develop more than below-average game power, but his ability to adjust to speeds and movement may allow his quick hands to play at or above an average hit tool level. He has the speed and tenacity to cause problems on the bases for opposing teams.

Having only seen minimal first-hand looks, I’m not comfortable projecting him higher than his reputed 4th OF/bench player future, but with some chances against advanced pitching this year, Godfrey may just force himself into the conversation for more than that.

Hit: 35/40/50 Power: 30/35/45 Run: 50/55/55 Field: 55/55/55 Throw: 50/50/50

Connor Lien, CF, VIDEO

Lien is an athletic outfielder who has trouble finding consistency at times. With plus speed and an above-average arm, he has the physical tools to stick anywhere in the outfield, but he still needs work on his reads and footwork to project as a plus fielder overall. He has a good swing path at the plate, but his bat, hands and back elbow get locked up at the start and make it hard for him to barrel the ball up with regularity.

His strikeouts are on the high side, and I’m not confident in him being able to square enough balls up to fully tap into his power, or to generate tons of hits facing better pitchers and defenses. He does enough well to potentially be a starting outfielder, but I think it’s much more likely he ends up a useful bench piece.

Hit: 30/40/45 Power: 35/40/45 Run: 60/55/60 Field: 50/50/55 Throw: 45/50/50

Johan Camargo, SS, VIDEO

Camargo’s swing gets long on the left side, compared to his right side where he’s much more compact, but he has a choppy bat path on both. His raw power fails to shine though regularly because of it. He’s a legitimate plus defender with good transfers and a strong arm. He’s a poor runner, though he still has the range to play any infield position capably.

Hit: 30/35/40 Power: 25/30/35 Run: 35/35/35 Field: 60/60/60 Throw: 55/60/65

QUICK HITS

OF Dian Toscano finally looks to be able to play for the Braves, and was scheduled to play in Puerto Rico for winter ball, though he has not appeared in games yet. The Braves will bring him into spring training with Triple-A a likely starting point, though a source I spoke to would not rule out him breaking camp on the big league roster.

C Joseph Odom has some pop in his bat, but a choppy path and just OK bat-to-ball skills keeps him from hitting the ball over the fence or for a decent average. He has a strong arm but slow feet, and I felt he was too low energy behind the plate with poor receiving skills.

Lucas Herbert was taken in the second round in 2015 as a catcher with a strong pop time and an interesting bat. Ronald Acuna is young hitter who already has some ability to drive the ball gap to gap, and played an easy outfield in Rookie ball. Isranel Wilson is an outfielder who moved from shortstop. He plays good defense, has some power and handles same-sided pitchers well already.

Juan Yepez exceeded internal expectations this year and is in the mix for starting in Rome in 2016. He moved to first base likely for good, but will still play some third base on occasion. CF Randy Ventura has 80 speed and can really go get the ball in the outfield. He is likely to start in the GCL and end up in Danville by the end of the year.

C Tanner Murphy really struggled offensively in 2015, but a Braves source was quick to point out how he never let if affect his defense. He gets strong reviews for being a great leader, mentally strong, and handling the pitching staff very well. Jonathan Morales is another young catcher with leadership qualities who really does well taking care of his pitchers.

RHP Brandon Barker doesn’t have much intrigue in his three-pitch mix, but he put up good numbers filling in at the High-A and Triple-A levels for spot starts. If he can continue locating the ball and improving his command he could sneak into the big leagues. RHP Alec Grosser had a backwards year and his mechanics got screwy. He’s working hard to get back on track, and he has some fantastic sink on his ball when he’s on.

Ryan Clark is a righty who won’t wow you with his stuff, but has the potential to eat some innings and throw three pitches for strikes. LHP Andy Otero had a good year in relief in Carolina. He’s a small, slight-bodied pitcher who throws with a lot of conviction despite the lack of size or big fastball.

Cistulli’s Guy

Willians Astudillo, C, VIDEO

No qualified batter in affiliated baseball recorded a lower strikeout rate (2.4%) than Willians Astudillo in 2015. In 2014, no qualified batter in affiliated baseball recorded a lower strikeout rate (4.3%) than Willians Astudillo. Willians Astudillo conceded the entire 2013 season to injury and didn’t qualify in 2012 (although, if he had, he’d have recorded the lowest strikeout rate in affiliated baseball). Do you remember 2011? Not everyone does. If you do, however, you might also remember how Willians Astudillo recorded the lowest strikeout rate (0.9%) in affiliated baseball. And it would have reminded you, that distinction, of the previous year, by the conclusion of which Willians Astudillo had recorded the lowest strikeout rate (1.8%) in affiliated baseball.

Now 24, Astudillo’s defensive skills at catcher remain questionable. His athleticism doesn’t — which is to say, there’s no question that it’s comfortably below average. What Astudillo does do, however, is make contact better than every other batter in affiliated baseball. After entering minor-league free agency this fall, he was signed by Atlanta, with which club he might soon begin his career as a full-time pinch-hitter.





Dan is Fangraphs Lead Prospect Analyst, living in New York City. He played baseball for four years at Franklin & Marshall College before attending medical school. Follow him on Facebook and Twitter @DWFarnsworth.

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jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago

Kudos for being willing to put Gant above Newcomb (I agree with you), yet that also illustrates how depressing this tear-down must be for Braves fans. I’m struggling to think of another rebuilding process where multiple pieces of significant major league talent were moved for no elite prospects in return. Hopefully the quantity over quality approach ends up working out for them but I am extremely pessimistic.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

uh, first of all: Newcomb is certainly close to an elite prospect. They got four years Shelby Miller for ONE year of Jason Heyward. They got a great package when they unloaded Melvin’s and Kimbrel’s contracts.

You simply aren’t going to get a Carlos Correa when you’re trading guys that are one year away from free agency (and Heyward’s bat still isn’t great). They also got Austin Riley with one of the picks they traded for, and despite him not even being mentioned in these terrible rankings, he’s a top-5 prospect for them right now.

But the fact you think Gant should be above Newcomb says a lot. I think you and the author of these rankings are the only two in the world who think that.

Anon21
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Miller isn’t a prospect, and will be departing before the Braves are contenders again.

Unloading B.J. Upton’s contract was of no benefit to the franchise. The owners pocketed the money they would have paid him, and the baseball side received fewer/lower quality prospects in return for unloading the dead money.

The rebuild thus far has been full of problems, and is teetering on the brink of disaster. It is very possible that the Braves franchise will enter a decade-long tailspin where too few of this crop of prospects pans out, and they have to go through another cycle of trading whatever productive Major Leaguers they have to start over with a new group of prospects. Perhaps that was unavoidable when they failed to come to terms with Jason Heyward on a long-term extension, but it’s very hard to believe that this is the best they could have done with all the talent they had as recently as two years ago.

Bob
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

“Unloading B.J. Upton’s contract was of no benefit to the franchise. The owners pocketed the money they would have paid him, and the baseball side received fewer/lower quality prospects in return for unloading the dead money.”

This is exactly what I’ve been saying. I’ve been following the team for 20 years and they do not ever go out of their way in free agency. All the money saved is meaningless. We have no reason to believe its going to go into the on-field product because they’ve shown over the last decade or so that that is not how they do things.

Oddly enough, the new stadium/theme-park theyre moving into is only going to make it worse because they own all the shops, venues, stages, etc… what this means is they have even less of a reason now to prioritize winning because such a large chunk of their revenue is no longer dependent on ticket sales at all. The shopping outlets, offseason concert festivals, non-MLB-related amateur baseball tourneys, etc… it’s a year round entertainment facility first and a baseball team second. Everything there is completely owned and run by the organization now. All they have to do is keep the place looking nice and they’ll have no problem turning a profit regardless of what the team does. In 3 years I wouldn’t be surprised if people think of SunTrust park as an event location first, shopping destination second, and “oh yea, they play baseball here, too.”

NickB
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

ownership has no input on baseball operations nor do they “pocket profits” the Braves run strictly on self generated revenue.

cajunrevenge
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Did you miss the part where the Braves paid 14 million for Toussaint? Thats equivalent to 1 year of Melvin’s salary. Braves dont make that trade if they still are paying Melvin.

ShauncoreMember since 2019
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Jake, go back to State Farm man.

Zing!

Mark Liu
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Jake, calm down.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

uh, first of all: Newcomb is certainly close to an elite prospect.

He really, really isn’t. He has a fastball with plus velocity and movement yet has below average command of the pitch, which I attribute in part to throwing across his front leg. Meanwhile he has no above average secondary pitches, as both his changeup and breaking pitches are ordinary at best. Newcomb is a left-handed Archie Bradley. Perhaps Newcomb will have better success developing his command than Bradley has, but there’s a reason prospect analysts were shocked that the Angels got Andrelton Simmons for so little.

Dooduh
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Had a similar reaction. Not a Braves fan but I am struck by how ordinary this system seems despite a very aggressive tear down thus far. I’ve given the FO credit for how aggressively they’ve gone about things so far, but I had been thinking they were accumulating some better prospects but this seems a little flat to me. Without looking, going to assume that the past 5 or 6 drafts have been pretty unimpressive.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

their last draft was really, really great. got allard, soroka, and austin riley, plus some others. all of them slot in their top-10. this is just a terrible, terrible list. newcomb is easily a better prospect than gant; it’s not close. and while that’s egregious, Ryan Weber at 4 is insane. Povse in the top 10 is insane. Allard and Riley are easily in their top-5 (and will probably be top-50 prospect in the whole league by mid-season) and are barely mentioned on this list.

Socrates
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

I know nothing about the Braves system, so could you please explain why you think those rankings are insane?

Nick in ATL
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

So when did Kiley start posting as Jake?

bob
10 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

this is also a very very bad list. you really think the mets traded a 60 fv pitcher for half a year of juan uribe and kelly johnson? you think a 25 year old 6′ pitcher in AA is a 55 fv? you think a top ten pick should be unranked while a guy taken 30 picks later is ninth? there are so many holes in this list.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  bob

boob! Did you see that Ryan WEBER ranking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bat
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

This new prospect guy is certainly a renegade.

As someone who follows the Mets system closely I can say with a fairly firm degree of conviction that Gant would have landed somewhere around #12 in that system.

It’s hard to believe that Gant is #2 in the Braves system because, with the graduation of a significant number of Mets prospects over the past year, I would have thought Gant would be even lower in the Braves system.

In addition, given that Newcomb was the prize prospect in the Adrelton Simmons deal, one would think Newcomb is better than Gant, who was the big piece in the Uribe / Johnson deal. Simmons > Uribe + Johnson.

But again, give this guy credit for swimming against the tide. We won’t know if Gant or Newcomb is better for a number of years, but I can tell you that if Gant turns out to be better I will certainly remember the name Dan Farnsworth.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Bat

In addition, given that Newcomb was the prize prospect in the Adrelton Simmons deal, one would think Newcomb is better than Gant, who was the big piece in the Uribe / Johnson deal. Simmons > Uribe + Johnson.

You would think so. Newcomb certainly has a much higher ceiling than Gant, but the flaws are so pronounced that he has an extremely low chance of ever reaching it. I agree with Mr. Farnsworth about Gant over Newcomb not because I’m that impressed by Gant, but rather that I am particularly pessimistic about Newcomb.

Rick
10 years ago

These are some, um, interesting rankings.

Scalious
10 years ago
Reply to  Rick

The ranking/breakdown of the hitters seems pretty straight forward. Its how the pitching was broke down that was a little surprising..To phrase it simply: More emphasis on polish, Less on raw stuff and pure upside? Allard being that low was a bit eye opening. However he defended his position on his injury concerns..

K26dp
10 years ago

So there’s this guy named Austin Riley…

Jake
10 years ago

Dude, this is easily the worst ranking of Braves’ prospects I’ve ever seen. Like, I’m baffled. Gant above Newcomb? Ryan Weber anywhere near the top 10? as a huge Braves fan, I’m extremely confused by these rankings, and trust me, you are WAY off. Povse, Weber, and Gant are way, wayy to high, while Allard, Toussaint, Jenkins, Mallex, and like, many others are far too low. You don’t even mention Austin Riley???? He’s easily in their top-5 right now. You guys are really missing Kiley, huh? These are the worst prospect rankings I’ve ever seen, mlb.com included. I don’t think you have any handle on the Braves’ farm. I’m not even trying to be rude, but these are just plain silly. Did you run these by your other fangraphs colleagues?? I usually look forward to these rankings, but these are so bad and confusing that I have to dismiss it.

WerthlessMember since 2020
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Looks like you are trying to be rude, to be honest.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  Werthless

I suppose honesty can be rude sometimes. but, this list is terrible and very far off.

Mark
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Are you saying that because you’ve seen all of these players play baseball or because this list doesn’t match up with what other evaluators are saying? Why would you even read this list if you were just looking for it to conform to what you already had in mind based on what Baseball America or Keith Law said?

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

I saw Gant play in hi school and I thought that I could hit him. I don’t think I could consistenyl hit Newcomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Groupthink
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

I forgot that players stop developing once they play in high school.

redsox1Member since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

“I suppose honesty can be rude sometimes. but, this list is terrible and very far off.” Is Jake not Donald Trump?

Forrest Gumption
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

“Honestly can be rude” – says a guy who was rudely offended at another guys honest opinion

dfives
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

People that pretend they aren’t being rude by saying “it’s just honesty” are some kind of delusional.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  dfives

i acknowledged i was rude; what am I hiding?

Andrew
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

A sense of decorum to start.

Daniel
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Out of curiosity, what are you going to do if it turns out that John Gant and Ryan Weber really are this good? For example, John Sickels ranks Gant much lower, but says there’s a non-zero chance he’ll be a Collin McHugh. I’m about as surprised by this list as you are, but it wouldn’t be the first time that the best MLBer was a consensus 20-30 prospect in a team’s system. The likelihood that he’s right about which of those lesser-considered prospects are the ones who will break out isn’t terribly high, but it’s certainly non-zero.

AlexMember since 2022
10 years ago

These rankings are ridiculous.

Playingwithfire
10 years ago

Well this is bold to say the least.

Jake
10 years ago

did you mean to say “bad” instead of “bold”?

Scalious
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

This is not being rude, alsO? Bold is the right word. Or unconventional. We have all grown accustom to certain standard when reading dozens of prospect list. This ranking is far from the usual. So its easy to call it off. However prospecting is a game of subjectivity. For me the call it bad. Is if I felt his write ups/break downs were full of ignorance, lack of thought/knowledge/wisdom of the game. Did not come off that way, to me at least. This was a well thought out article and he did show enough knowledge of the players skills/projection that i’m willing to not write it off as trash. Even if I wholly dis-agree with the rankings..

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  Scalious

the Braves got Gant for a half year of Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe. And he’s somehow a 60 FV, #2 prospect above a guy who will rank in the top 20-50 of every single prospect list.

Ryan Weber has the upside of a back-end starter. He’s probably a bullpen guy sooner rather than later. Him at #4 is insane.

Austin Riley is no question in their top-5. I’m quite sure the entire organization would agree.

The evaluation process for this list was just plain poor. It makes no sense.

Scalious
10 years ago
Reply to  Scalious

I will say the method in which he diveys the ranking itself. Is something he may need to tweek alot. Sure he will learn from his mistakes.

And getting a prospect for crap does not mean the prospect itself cannot become something really good..or worthy of note. Just

Playingwithfire
10 years ago
Reply to  Scalious

I think you are being overprotective of Dan. While I won’t go as far as Jake to call this list straight up bad. Dan has very little track record publicly as far as compiling prospect lists goes that we shouldn’t value his opinion as much as more proven commodity such as BA, MLB or Keith Law.

That opinion can change if this list look better than average next year.

But for now I think seriously doubting Dan due to buckling industry standard this much is a very rational logic.

E-Dub
10 years ago
Reply to  Scalious

“the Braves got Gant for a half year of Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe. And he’s somehow a 60 FV, #2 prospect”

The Braves also got a 20-year-old Tigers pitcher who was raw as sushi, walking as many as he struck out for a stretch run’s worth of Doyle Alexander. Is Gant John Smoltz? Hardly, but as long as we’re talking consensus, the opinion of most pundits I’ve seen is that Gant is a nice return, and a helluva lot better than thought at the time of the trade.

TwinsfanTravisMember since 2025
10 years ago
Reply to  Scalious

“the Braves got Gant for a half year of Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe. And he’s somehow a 60 FV”

Why do you keep stating the deal he was acquired in like it is somehow relevant in evaluating a prospect’s tools or future potential? Teams make bad trades all the time especially when it comes to prospects. Prospect rankings are based on tools evaluations and on field performance alone. Getting hung up on something as irrelevant as who he was traded for just muddies the water.

Rob
10 years ago

This is the WORST ranking of prospects I have ever read/seen. Oh my.

mike sixel
10 years ago

Don’t know much about the Braves, but I like that you are willing to put out some rankings that don’t necessarily conform to the industry.

Should be fun (ha?) for you to do this this year, and read all the comments! Welcome to the fun….

Angry Braves Fan
10 years ago

These aren’t the consensus rankings I was expecting!!!

/rage

Jake
10 years ago

Ryan Weber at 4 is a hilarious joke.

Forrest Gumption
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Will you promise to never post on the internet or have opinions on baseball if Weber has a 3+ fWAR season in his career? You should.

Phillies113
10 years ago

I will say that Son of Nails is a pretty great name for a band.

Other than that, man. These rankings are really…interesting. I’m surprised that Olivera, for all his pomp and circumstance, is rated so low.* Same with Toussaint. And as mentioned earlier, Austin Riley barely even makes the cut. This is some list.

*6 isn’t SO so low for most, but considering Olivera’s pedigree and the overall quality of the Braves’ system, I think 6 is fairly low for Olivera.

Rico Brogna
10 years ago

I scout stat lines and read other websites and am in a dynasty league, so obviously I know more than you do about prospects. Please update this list so it is like all the others that overhype upside.

Groupthink
10 years ago
Reply to  Rico Brogna

Nonsense

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  Rico Brogna

he write for fangraphs, so obviously he knows more about the Braves’ prospects than the Braves’ organization….

ReuschelCakes
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

you comment on his FG posts, so obviously you have the right to be an anonymous asshole on the internet

Anon21
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

The Braves have no incentive to say anything but good things about their own prospects. They are of little value as a source of information about their own organization; you have to corroborate anything they put out.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

but there’s zero chance the Braves value Gant over Newcomb, or Weber over Allard, Soroka, Riley, Toussaint…pretty much anyone else on this list. Weber was up for the rule 5 and passed over 3 times. there is no way he’s their 4th best prospect. a #4 is his absolute highest upside; he will be in someone’s bullpen eventually.

James
10 years ago
Reply to  Rico Brogna

Yep, this is more of a real world listing than fantasy listing.

In the real world everyone would take a guy who has been good in AAA but looks like a 3/4 starting pitcher with almost no downside. In fantasy, you are better off with a super raw guy with a 10% chance of being the next elite arm, but a 50% chance he never gets past AA (Anderson Espinoza is a good example of this)

They list the guys with a higher floor and good D well above the bat only boom or bust guys… I am fine with that, you need to see some of these lists as a reminder that it is nuts to assume that a guy like Allard will be the next Kershaw (it is ok to know there is a chance)

James
10 years ago

I’m glad that I didn’t have to pay to read this

Ty
10 years ago

Thanks for the list, Dan! While there are obviously things you evaluate quite well, it would appear to me you are still in need of a scouting network to double check your list. John Hart said Austin Riley may soon be their #1 prospect. Since Albies is only one level ahead that is a statement that should carry some weight. To see him mentioned with a near non prospect like Odom is surprising. Players like Riley and Acuna need to receive higher grades than Lien and Camargo in particular for any evaluation system to work well.

Stephen
10 years ago

So I am seeing a lot of the hate in these comments. But I guess I don’t really get why. So the rankings are different from those of other prospect services. Perhaps that is a good thing? Maybe having rankings that have a different focal point is a positive development. I guess I don’t really understand being upset that his ranks did not fit into preconceived notions of what y’all thought they should look like.

bob
10 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

I would like an accurate list that shows how most of the major league teams are valuing talent. This does not do that.

Stephen
10 years ago
Reply to  bob

I am not sure that is what this list should be though. I mean, what you are suggesting is get a Ken Rosenthal for prospects who talks to a lot of people and then tries to make sure the order is industry consensus. To me the goal should be to get readers good information, which I certainly obtained a bunch of it from reading through all these profiles. The rankings are based on Dan’s assessment of that information. So the rankings are how he views the prospects, not by poll of how the rest of the league does. And if you want consensus you can just make a spreadsheet of MLB.com, Keith law, and the like and make averages to reach consensus. You don’t have to have this source to get that information.

Anon21
10 years ago
Reply to  bob

I’d like a list that tells me how likely each player is to develop into a productive major leaguer. I’ll be very interested to see how this list looks as time goes by. Maybe it will prove to be an embarrassment, as so many here are saying, but maybe it will prove prescient.

Playingwithfire
10 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

Dan has no track record compared to others.

Ray
10 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

great point Stephen. As someone who also publishes rankings for fantasy leagues, going against the grain really sets people off.
I always say that as long as you can support your rankings and views, don’t change your process.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

Yeah, why would you want to read a list that just echoed all the other lists that you read?

bob
10 years ago

because i know that there is no way this guy has not seen all these people play. Look at what kiley did. he did his own scouting had his own takes on guys but then would also poll the industry to see what their thoughts were. No one guy is going to be able to scout the entirety of the minor leagues unless you are relying on 2 minute videos and stat lines.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  bob

You’re clearly already familiar with the industry consensus, and I’m not sure how the caveats you listed don’t apply to other established publishers of prospect lists.

bob
10 years ago

Mets fans should be pretty livid they gave up a 60 fv pitcher at the deadline for juan uribe and kelly johnson huh?

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  bob

apparently he’s better than the guy they traded Andrelton Simmons for – who knew?

Trade Haul
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

This list is a joke. Why is Carlos Santana rated above Matt LaPorta?

Ray
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Jake – your comments here are “hideous”!

paulallen
10 years ago
Reply to  bob

The Orioles traded Jake Arrieta for Steve Clevenger and a half season of Feldman.

Quit acting like teams properly value every single player in their organization all the time.

Ray
10 years ago
Reply to  paulallen

and the Dodgers traded Pedro Martinez for freakin’ Delino DeShields.

state the obvious
10 years ago
Reply to  paulallen

you forgot pedro strop. top 30 reliever since joining the cubs. just neighing.

ShauncoreMember since 2019
10 years ago
Reply to  bob

Man. If only the Orioles would have seen the Eduardo Rodriguez post trade breakout coming they wouldn’t have traded him!

But if they don’t trade him then does he still have a post trade breakout?

Schrodinger’s trade.

Mike
10 years ago
Reply to  Shauncore

Pretty sure lots of people thought that trade was an absolute joke. You dont trade a nasty young lefty starter for 2.5 months of a reliever.

Roger
10 years ago

Thanks for the insights on players. Those are quite useful. The rankings, not so much.

Roger
10 years ago
Reply to  Roger

As another person with the same first name who comments here frequently, I apologize for this bit of snippiness.

TwinsfanTravisMember since 2025
10 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Roger, Roger.

KDL
10 years ago

Jesus. It’s like an ESPN comment section in here today.
All whiny fanboys with no arguments, data, facts to back up their whininess.

Not to be all hipstery, but I like fangraphs better when less people knew about it.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

how about these facts:

Weber passed over in the rule 5 multiple times. What do you think the chances are that guys like Allard, Riley, or a big handful of the other Braves prospects get passed over, had they been eligible? It wouldn’t happen.

Front office says Riley could be their #1 prospect soon. Not even on the list.

Braves trade Simmons for Newcomb, Uribe and KJ for Gant. Yet Gant is higher on this list. Apparently MLB front offices know less than this guy.

Allard is a top-10 pick and is highly-regarded by the entire organization; has been compared to Kershaw from even outsiders; is mentioned as some other guy on this list.

I don’t think you could find one writer, close to the Braves or loosely-following, that would agree with Weber at 4 and Gant at 2, and Povse ahead of legitimately 6-8 pitchers he shouldn’t be ahead of. The list is odd from top-to-bottom. Being different is fine. Ranking Sims in front of Allard could be defensed. But, too much of this is too odd, and way, way out of line with what the organization clearly feels (as well as anyone else who follows baseball, at all).

Socrates
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Your point on Weber is well taken. However, your other points are just various appeals to authority. Could you please be more specific about your disputes.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  Socrates

I think appeals to authority in cases like this are warranted and acceptable. no one in these comments have spent ample time watching these prospects (the writer hasn’t, either). therefore, appealing to those who HAVE spent a lot of time watching, and who have long, good track records or this stuff isn’t out of line. the fact that the organization is super high on Riley, and has made it a point to say as much, shouldn’t be taken lightly. He was completely left off this list, and barely mentioned. This demonstrates clear lack of knowledge and understanding of the Braves system.

Newcomb is clearly more valuable to the Mets, Braves, and Angels than Gant is. But Gant is ranked above Newcomb here.

But, having Weber so high is enough, alone, to question the credibility of this list.

KDL
10 years ago
Reply to  Socrates

Clever. “The fallacy I’m using is totally valid right now guys.”

I now understand why you didn’t try to back up your complaints early.

You accept what the Braves FO says without question.
You think getting drafted first = guaranteed succes.
You think that what people got traded for represents a talent eval.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  Socrates

The Weber Rule 5 thing is also an argument from authority.

Playingwithfire
10 years ago
Reply to  Socrates

You realize that the rest of you guys are just appealing to Dan Farnsworth’s authority right?

E-Dub
10 years ago
Reply to  Socrates

“You realize that the rest of you guys are just appealing to Dan Farnsworth’s authority right?”

I’ve seen no assertion of Dan’s authority. Simply allowance for the possibility that he’s not as crazy as some think.

jewellsd
10 years ago
Reply to  Socrates

So bloggers/baseball writers cant reference a scout’s work because it’s an appeal to authority? What if I take the advice of my doctor and believe him/her? Am I appealing to authority, and therefore thinking fallaciously? Am I supposed to rely on myself for scouting and medical advice?

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  Socrates

Saying Prospect X was ranked Y by Established Prospect Listings LLC. does nothing to refute Farnsworth’s reasoning for his rankings. To continue your medical analogy, perhaps you’ve heard of “second opinions.” People look for them all the time.

Ray
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

You don’t know if they will be passed on in the Rule 5 yet….it could happen.

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  Ray

but as of right now, if they were eligible (which obviously they wouldn’t be), there is a 0% chance they would be left there. they are high-upside, highly valuable prospects.

Outsiders
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Weber is the next Kershaw. Happy now?

Jake
10 years ago

Mommy! Can you pleeease MAKE this BAD man stop hurting my feelings!!!

paulallen
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

The way you’re littering this comment section, I wouldn’t be surprised if you actually went upstairs and cried to your mother.

Pete
10 years ago

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Let us know your thoughts, or which direction you would look to fill the holes…

Roger
10 years ago
Reply to  Pete

My thought is fuck off and stop spamming us with links to your garbage website.

bob
10 years ago

Dan isn’t bad, he’s just dumb — everyone everywhere knows he’s a dummy and that he can’t rank Braves as well as all of the other sites

Groupthink
10 years ago
Reply to  bob

Oh yeah. Dan really looked like an idiot when he wrote about JD Martinez, Jose Abreu and Jung-ho Kang, and was more optimistic than anyone else in the baseball writing industry. Surely he has no clue what he is talking about when he writes things that go against the consensus.

Matt
10 years ago
Reply to  Groupthink

It may be a strange list, but I think it’s good to have. Dan has had a few jackpots, might just have a different consensus over others.

trevor
10 years ago

I think the main reason people are upset with this list are that some of the rankings are not really “different perspective than others” as much as just not knowledgeable about the prospects, period. Weber at 4 is an absolute joke (26 year old who just reached the majors with average stuff) and some other just plain odd rankings.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  trevor

To clarify, you think Weber is ranked too high?

Jake
10 years ago
Reply to  trevor

exactly. it’s not that it’s just different; it makes no sense and demonstrates a clear lack of knowledge of the Braves system as a whole.

Eminor3rd
10 years ago

These comments are the worst. Do you “experts” just want to read the same article every time?

The author clearly makes the case for every one of these guys over the other, and he clearly has some level of mechanical expertise on both swings and windups, and you just want to berate it because it doesn’t look like Mayo’s list?

The takeaway from this should be “Hmm, it’s possible that Weber has more potential than I thought, since at least one guy who knows what he’s doing thinks so. I think I’ll pay attention to his command of his two-seamer, especially as a weapon against left-handed hitters.” Not “WTF TOUKI TOUSSANT MUST BE A GOD BECAUSE WE FLEECED ARIZONA.” You don’t get any points for having name in your system.

RC
10 years ago

While some of the rankings may raise my eyebrows, the author does a good job of explaining his reasoning in most cases. The only one that I really have a problem with is Austin Riley, and my only problem there is that there isn’t enough information to explain why he is off the list. What is written sounds consistent with what I’ve read elsewhere, but for someone getting the hype he’s been getting from other writers and team management, leaving him off the list deserves at least a sentence reasoning why (similar to what was written about Allard).

RC
10 years ago
Reply to  RC

And now I see that Dan has addressed the Austin Riley question in the comments below. Thanks Dan!

Ryan
10 years ago

This list is just terrible. Any Braves fan that tracks even the trades and general performance/injuries of prospects can see that this list is bad. It doesn’t even take scouting expertise–reading articles from scouts and other people who witness a player’s performance and know what they’re looking at, can see that Newcomb is better than Gant, and that Weber is not a top prospect at all.

John Sickels at minorleagueball.com is more reliable to be honest.

Forrest Gumption
10 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

So go comment on that site instead, no ones forcing you to come here.

Matt T
10 years ago

For comparisons sake here’s Baseball America’s free top 10. (Pre-Newcomb deal though)
1. Olivera
2. Allard
3. Albies
4. Toussaint
5. Riley
6. Fried
7. Smith
8. Soroka
9. Davidson
10. Sims

Not saying anyone is right or wrong but drastic differences

Ray
10 years ago
Reply to  Matt T

So?

Bat
10 years ago
Reply to  Matt T

Gant not even in BA’s top 10.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago

Seems to me like this is a very conservative list. Valuing a 26 year old pitcher who is starting to contribute at the Major League level more highly than an 18 year old with big power numbers in rookie ball might not be sexy but it’s definitely pragmatic.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
10 years ago

I don’t buy that at all. His #1 prospect is a 19 year old shortstop in rookie ball.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

That is a good point, but to play devil’s advocate, he rates Albies as an already pretty polished defender, which I imagine translates to higher levels better than, say, game power.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
10 years ago

I’m glad that you have an unusual method for reviewing prospects, and understand that you’ve found some hidden gems before.

But you’re never going to convince me that John Gant is better than Sean Newcomb. Newcomb has elite strikeout stuff at a very young age, something you don’t find very often. Gant’s strikeout stuff is pretty decent, but he’s never even approached Newcomb’s upside.

The strikeouts just haven’t been there to the same frequency, and remember the Mets low A affiliates are almost all extremely pitcher-friendly environments. I’d be extremely surprised if Gant ends up having a better career than Newcomb. Color me skeptical.

Ray
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

have you taken a look at Newcomb’s walk rates? He walked 24 batters in 36 IP in AA last year and 57 in around 102 IP overall. Not good.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Ray

Yes, but any good prospect evaluator should know that walk rates are generally something that improves over time for young pitchers with swing and miss stuff. The strikeout rates are far more important.

Go look at Clayton Kershaw’s minor league walk rates. He was walking around 5 batters per 9 innings as a prospect. But when a pitching prospect is running 30% strikeout rates, that’s a skill that will carry over to the major leagues.

There’s a reason that K%, not K-BB%, is the best predictor of future ERA. K% is a far less volatile metric.

Iwest
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Sure but high walk rates are also much riskier. If a pitcher has high K/p and a high BB/9, that can often translate to reliever/non MLB career. The way I see it, Newcomb is more of a high risk/high reward type guy, while Gant, being more of a control pitcher, is probably more of a sure thing to stick in the Braves rotation some day (Gant’s K/9 are also pretty impressive, making his K/BB even more enticing).

Forrest Gumption
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

“Go look at Clayton Kershaw’s minor league walk rates. He was walking around 5 batters per 9 innings as a prospect.”

He walked 4.9% as a 19(!) year old. For one season. His other minor league walk rates were totally fine-to good.

Newcomb had a 5.0% rate at age 22. That’s a cavern of a difference. What a terrible example that was.

state the obvious
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

high school draftee vs “polished college pitcher” yeah if dude came in from high school walk rate is nothing to worry about. the older and farther along with professional instruction you are is worrisome.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Yes, but any good prospect evaluator should know that walk rates are generally something that improves over time for young pitchers with swing and miss stuff.

Actually, any good prospect evaluator should know that walk rates are a red flag that usually do not improve significantly over time, particularly because hitters are more selective at higher levels. The guy with one great pitch and no command is the most consistently overrated prospect. I love the guys at Baseball America but I have tried to get them to see this over and over again for years. Newcomb has one above average pitch: his fastball. It does have plus velocity and plus movement that induces ground balls at an above average rate. He struggles to command that pitch and his other pitches are simply not impressive.

Anon21
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

If Newcomb doesn’t get his walk problem under control, he won’t have a major league career.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

K% is far less volatile than BB%, so you’d much rather have the pitcher with the high K% and high BB% than the low K% and low BB%.

Ian
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

To be fair, other than his stint in AA this past year, Gant’s K/9 have been pretty impressive in their own right.

psy jung
10 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

this is far too facile.

John WickMember since 2018
10 years ago

There’s a basic question worth answering here. What are we looking to get out of a list like this, at least as far as the rankings-as-FVs are concerned?

If we’re looking to get Dan’s opinion, that’s great: we’ve got it, and there’s a lot of value in having an opinion that is out of sync with other prospect rankings. If we’re looking to get a sense of what the organization thinks, or what the industry thinks, however, this list is not valuable, and “wrong” in that sense. And that’s easy to tell based on the trades we’ve seen over the last 12 months involving guys on this list.

Point is, we all come to prospect lists with different expectations on what the list is attempting to capture. And to the extent that industry perspective is part of the exercise, the fire-breathers have a point. It would be helpful to hear from Dan what he’s aiming for here, and in particular having more context where an organization or the industry differs from his outlook on a prospect.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

I appreciate you breaking consensus. Even if you are completely wrong, the discussion is valuable (if people choose to engage constructively). This whole thread got me thinking a lot about information cascades, which are a danger in any speculative field.

John WickMember since 2018
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

Thanks for the response, Dan.

For what it’s worth, I think your answer here — making your own judgments versus presenting — is the right one, as long as we have that context. Those differences from the consensus are what makes thinking about this stuff interesting in the first place.

Anon21
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

It sounds like you have the right objective here. Industry consensus is useful in its own right, but there are several sources we can go to to get it. It doesn’t seem like Dan is breaking with industry consensus just because he wants to be contrarian, but because he has really differences with that consensus about how to evaluate prospects.

Roger
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

It should be your opinion and not a general consensus, but as I look at a list like this I ask, “What does this list value? Floor? Upside? A balance of the two?” In this list I see mostly valuing floor, but there’s also some odd choices that go against that in ways that don’t make sense. Why Povse in the 50 tier? Is he all that different from Ellis in floor, ceiling, or risk? I’m a very ceiling-oriented prospect hound, and you seem to be mostly the opposite, and that’s ok. I just want to see some more consistency.

I do find the best lists tend to get a lot of input from people throughout the industry. There’s value in going with what you see, but having someone rein it in a bit by giving some counterpoints and new insights is invaluable.

Ty
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

Dan, thanks again for your work and insight. My list is a bit contrarian as well (Riley at 1, Acuna at 4 and Wilson at 5). I tend to value high ceiling hitters over all else and more relative to others. I liked your ranking of Soroka as well and agree that Olivera is not a top 5. Anyway, take a closer look at Acuna and Wilson as well, Acuna’s debut compares remarkably well to Andruw Jones (eyeballing a very high similarity score) and Wilson showed 40 HR power potential as a string bean.

Playingwithfire
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

We’ll see in the next couple years. If you are willing to be that out there you need to at least perform on par with the “industry consensus” whose track record you dislike so much.

wsbhfo;urou
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

Absolutely strive for the second goal. One can read consensus rankings anywhere.

Of course, the “consensus” prospect lists are not independently evaluating the talent and then ranking them. If they were, you’d see a lot more non-consensus picks. Instead, internet prospect lists are echo chambers.

Please, for the love of baby jesus, the second goal.

Phillies Fans
10 years ago

Thanks, Braves fans. You make us look sane.

Jake signed in as Bob signed in as Rob signed as Ryan signed in as James
10 years ago

Loud angry sounds!!!

Paul
10 years ago

@Dan

Exactly this. While I think a sizable portion of the readers are legitimately surprised, the trolling done by Jake has made it seem a lot more vitriolic. Whether we agree or disagree, I think the vast majority of us are interested to read what you have to say about the players and are looking forward to the next installment.

Zac
10 years ago

This is a bold list! I’m inclined to take it with a grain of salt, simply because I’ve not read anything similar to your optimism with Gant, Weber, or Povse. Alternatively, I was really surprised to see Toussaint & Jenkins considerably lower than I thought, and to a lesser extent Allard (Although the Back injuries are concerning). We’ll have to see where it goes from here, but I’ve high hopes for Albies, Newcomb, Smith among others.

Rick
10 years ago

It’s good to get different perspectives, and it doesn’t bother me enough to go all scorched earth like a few here are, but it’s really a head scratching list.

Gant is #2. The Braves acquired him for a couple months of Uribe and Kelly Johnson. He pitched great for the Braves, but has his stock really risen that much? He’s seen as a better prospect than the key player the Braves got for five years of Andrelton Simmons?

Weber is #4, while he’s not even listed on mlb.com’s top 30. He’s been passed over by every team in the last two rule 5 drafts.

MichaelProcton
10 years ago
Reply to  Rick

People keep talking about Gant as the return for Uribe/Johnson, but he was one of only two guys they picked up in that deal, the other being a dude who’s at least a fringe top-30 guy in Rob Whalen.

%
10 years ago

“On pure stuff, Toussaint has possibly the best one-two punch in the minors with his fastball and curveball.”

“Fastball: 45/55/60 Curveball: 45/55/65”

Daniel
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

I get what you are saying, but you are including your 3 numbers instead of 2, and you have as the 3rd numbers for Toussaint 60 fastball and 65 curveball. If those are 90th percentile outcomes and he has the best combo of ‘pure stuff’ in the minors, then shouldn’t the 90th percentile outcome be better? Or are you just that confident that he doesn’t have the feel to do better than that?

For instance, you have Povse’s 90th percentile as 65 fastball and 60 curveball. Shouldn’t Toussanint’s 90th percentiles be better if he has better ‘stuff’?

I guess I’m just not understanding how your getting to the 2nd and 3rd numbers.

regfairfield
10 years ago

“On pure stuff, Toussaint has possibly the best one-two punch in the minors with his fastball and curveball.”

Present day: 45/45.

Tim
10 years ago

I respect the differences in the list but do have some problems. I’m not basing this off of my own prospect rankings or anything because I’m no expert, but some things don’t make sense with these rankings.

The obvious one is Weber. As others have mentioned, he’s 26 and just reaching the majors. Additionally, he’s been passed up in the Rule 5 Draft multiple times. If he truly had 55 FV, I doubt that MLB teams would pass him up.

Furthermore, the Gant ranking seems aggressive considering the Braves traded half seasons of Uribe and Kelly Johnson for him. While the Mets have made puzzling decisions in the past, giving up a 60 FV player for two bench rentals seems extreme. This also implies that the Braves got more back for KJ and Uribe than they got back for 4 seasons of Simmons.

A case could be made that these rankings are just taking risk into account but that doesn’t even make sense because Albies is the number one prospect as a 19 year old SS in A ball.

Overall, it’s nice to read different rankings and perspectives, but too many of these rankings seem to be contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian

Ray
10 years ago
Reply to  Tim

wow….let’s repeat what everyone else is saying here previously.

mike sixel
10 years ago

If I am not mistaken, people are REALLY MAD that one guy is ranked 2, and another is ranked 3? Look, I like Newcomb more too, but here is what I know about Gant…….

What if, gasp, Gant is really 4th best and Newcomb is really 2nd? Man, that just proves, um, nothing much about the quality of the list, frankly. The delta between 1-5 is not HUGE. Now, Toussant being that low? That seems off to me, but again, I know almost nothing about the other guys…..

There are ways to disagree with someone, even on the internet, and be polite about it. Also, that’s an awful lot of emotion to spend on prospect rankings, isn’t it?

/rant

Rick
10 years ago
Reply to  mike sixel

I think people are just using that two player example because of who the Braves traded to acquire those players. Gant and Robert Whalen were acquired for a couple months of Uribe and Kelly Johnson. Newcomb, Ellis, and Aybar were acquired for five years of Andrelton Simmons. I would probably have Gant somewhere around the 15-20 range of the organization.

KDL
10 years ago
Reply to  Rick

I do not at all understand the “logic” behind this argument.

Player A was traded for Player 1 and Player 2
Player B was traded for Player 3
Since Player A is better than Player B, Therefore Player 3 is better than Players 1 and 2.

Player 1,2,3 are independent of each other. Who was traded to get whom MIGHT give us a starting point. But all this thinking tells us is how the Braves value these players. This has SOME value…but the Braves also valued BJ Upton and Dan Uggla very highly. So I’m not sure what that gets us. I know there are different people in place. But my point is…just becuase on person values a player a certain way doesn’t make it so. It is one data point among many.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

Sure, but Newcomb also has elite K numbers in the minors, while Gant is two years older and doesn’t really strike people out.

Rick
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

Of course, they are independent trades and with different teams. But no team is going to give up a 60 FV prospect for two months of Uribe and KJ. Those trades just help show how industry consensus is probably very different from Dan’s rankings.

Upton and Uggla were established MLB players when they were acquired, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make there.

pay
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

Gant really doesn’t strike people out? Uh…. You mean he doesn’t have premium velocity that prospect hounds drool over. Yes.

Daniel
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

Gant is ten months older and spent more time in AA this year than Newcomb did, so the ARL issue seems pretty even to me. In A+ this year, over a few less starts, Gant had 10.7 K/9 while Newcomb had an 11.5. Meanwhile, Gant’s BB/9 was 2.2 while Newcomb’s was 4.5. I find it hard to believe anybody would value 0.8 Ks more than 2.3 BBs.

In AA, Gant had a K/9 of 7.9 while Newcomb had a K/9 of 9.8, which is a pretty significant difference. That being said, Gant’s BB/9 was 3.6 while Newcomb’s was 6.0, which is kind of huge. Statistically, they seem pretty even, with Gant probably being a bit ahead

kdm628496
10 years ago

when did astudillo change organizations?

kdm628496
10 years ago
Reply to  kdm628496

oh, clicking on his name helps:

RotoWire News: Astudillo signed a minor league deal with the Braves on Monday, Matt Eddy of Baseball America reports. (11/16/2015)

tipsymcstaggersMember since 2016
10 years ago

Excellent post, thanks Dan. Ignore the internet tough guys…enjoyed your writing all year, and looking forward to more of these rankings.

JA Garrett
10 years ago

As a longtime Braves fan, I don’t even come close to being angry reading this. After all, rankings are opinion, and the author is of course entitled to his.

Reading this, it just sort of feels like the extent of his research was checking minor league statlines, sorting them according to that without much regard paid to potential, and watching the snippets of video posted in the article with appropriate commentary on mechanics.

While this is hopefully not the case, it’s certainly what it felt like to me.

JA Garrett
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

Totally understandable, and I respect that. Better than giving the exact same information as everywhere else.

As a writer myself (though admittedly, not of baseball), I just came at it from an angle of “what the author is saying” vs “what it looks like the author is saying” just from how the information was relayed and listed here, since I’m well aware those two things can be drastically different.

Ray
10 years ago

I think all of you who are criticizing Dan should think about how much time he put into these rankings, and what an effort it is to watch video and to write over 6,000 words on prospects. It’s not easy.
Give it a try and then think about the responses readers would have after reading YOUR analysis.
Let that sink in for a few moments.

Ray
10 years ago
Reply to  Ray

one more point….Dan DID spell out how his analysis would differ from the other prospect analysts/writers out there….so this should not come as a surprise.
I wouldn’t worry so much about the rankings and would focus on his scouting reports.

David
10 years ago
Reply to  Ray

Some of us Braves fans have been watching and evaluating these players for months also. Sure we aren’t scouts and sure Dan knows a lot about scouting. However he has to know about the prospects for every team in baseball, we only know the Braves so stands to reason some of us may know more about our prospects.

I appreciate his time and effort for writing this and admitting he made a mistake by leaving off Riley, but I just don’t understand the logic behind most of these rankings.

KDL
10 years ago
Reply to  David

Also stands to reason you are biased, by where you get your info from, your status as a fan…

Frankly, I have never been impressed by the knowledge of fans who obsess over one team. They do know A LOT about that team. But they sacrifice perspective in the process. They grow so enamored by the players they are familiar with, that they lose sight of the fact that other players who they aren’t watching might be better.

Think about this. There were probably fan bases who felt they had the best defensive SS in baseball. Meanwhile Andrelton Simmons existed. Those fans were SURE they had a great defender, because THEY KNEW HIM SO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. The problem is they didn’t know any other players nearly as well, so their perspective was off.

A lot of the whining has come from Braves fans. And a lot of that whining has been that they don’t trust rankings that don’t match the industry perfectly.
I don’t trust the opinion of fans. And the industry standard rankings aren’t exactly known for “nailing it”. With those two ideas in my head…I’m more than happy to read a different take.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

Agreed. Think of all the Red Sox fans who think Jackie Bradley Jr. is the best defensive outfielder they’ve ever seen. He’s not even the best defensive outfielder in his division.

Amos-Famous
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

Braves fans have known Weber for a while.
We’ve known Povse for a while.
We’ve had Gant a little longer than Newcomb.
A lot of us have followed Weber for a while. He’s a decent prospect. But I don’t think it’s particularly debatable that the Braves have a lot (aka more than 3) of prospects better than him. Weber has average stuff, and has posted overall average numbers. His ceiling is very low.

We aren’t comparing Braves players to other team’s players. We’re comparing Braves prospects to Braves prospects. So I’m not sure what your point was about Simmons and defense.

This list is super inconsistent (even within itself) and doesn’t make much sense.

Mike
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

How can he be biased when he’s ranking players on his favorite team against other players on his favorite team? That makes very little sense. Having guys a 26 year old with completely mediocre stuff above all the other pitchers weve acquired is just bad. Having Daniel Castro above guys like Braxton Davidson and Austin Riley is bad.

Of course prospect rankings will vary person to person, but this just isnt remotely accurate. Im sure it was tough trying to get these rankings out when he didnt take the job till fairly recently.

David
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

“Fans” and “Educated Fans” are completely different. Sure regular fans make up the majority, but to even know about Fangraphs and use it as a resource, means they probably lean more towards the educated side.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  KDL

Bias isn’t just hyping your guys. As a fan, you want to dream on the upside of your young guys, without accounting for the higher risk associated with them.

Mike HC
10 years ago

Good stuff. I think you made a nice find with Gant. Haven’t heard anybody else really talking about him.

I also have no issue with you being tentative to rank guys you haven’t seen much of, basically this year’s high school draft picks. If you feel like you are just regurgitating other people’s opinion/hype, it feels a little phony. Maybe a separate section for those guys would be more appropriate for your style.

Brigadier Pudding
10 years ago

I wonder what Kiley thinks of this list.

Matt
10 years ago

He’s probably THRILLED. John Gant is rated as a top-30 MLB prospect? Trade him NOW.

Amos-Famous
10 years ago
Reply to  Matt

haha, right?

Jenny Lewis
10 years ago

If you must know, I haven’t made it through the whole thing yet but I’ve been impressed to this point.

Bob
10 years ago

As a very long time Braves fan, I find the list refreshing. Last year many prospect evaluators had Jose Peraza first or second. A few months later the Braves traded him and Alex Wood for Hector Olivera. After the trade I read many reports which said the Braves did not value Peraza very highly, so they were willing to trade him in spite of his high ranking on these lists. So, for me, it’s good to get contrarian opinions.
What I find telling is Dan’s generally low opinion of most of the Braves’ pitching prospects. For the past year the Braves have gone far overboard in acquiring pitching prospects while neglecting the acquisition of impact bats. If these pitching prospects don’t develop the Braves will be terrible for a long time.
My own assessment of the Braves organization is that the front office is so focused/obsessed with pitching prospects that they are utterly neglecting the hitters. Freddie Freeman is the only impact bat the Braves have developed in recent years, and it may be years until they come up with any more. They have some speedy leadoff types like Albies and Mallex Smith, but impact bats are rare. And looking at how poor the Braves have been at developing good hitters, I have real fears this rebuilding effort will be a failure.
I’ve been a Braves fan for nearly 60 years, and I have less hope for the Braves than I have had since the 1975-1990 dark period (the Braves finished last or next to last 12 times in 16 years back then).

ReuschelCakes
10 years ago
Reply to  Bob

uppercase “B” Bob more thoughtful than lowercase “b” bob, for sure

Matt
10 years ago

He gave Gant a better ranking than Dansby Swanson. Needless to say, the Braves would make that trade. Don’t get me wrong… I love me some Gant. But holy bananas…

Amos-Famous
10 years ago
Reply to  Matt

wow – good point.

Matt
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan Farnsworth

No, thank you! Guys like Gant and Povse seem to be consistently undervalued…It’s nice to see them get recognized for their potentials. Will you be doing a top-200 of sorts? If so…how many people do you anticipate being in each category of rating (e.g. how many FV 60s do think there will be, how many 65s will there be, etc.)?

Barnard
10 years ago

Great write-up Dan. I particularly like how you give a well-thought out and justified reason for why a prospect is ranked where he is.

I hope you continue to evaluate prospects based on your own set of criteria, which I was able to read about in your primer that you posted shortly before you started publishing these lists.

Ringo
10 years ago

woof

Paul
10 years ago
Reply to  Ringo

That attitude is why we didn’t let you sing more of the songs, you know.

Franco
10 years ago

If this is the trend on all your lists, you’re going to either blow minds or look like a boob in a year.

I’ll say this, I’m very curious to see your take on my team now.

Name
10 years ago

Interesting list. Crazy comments! But all I care about is whether I should hold Touki in my dynasty league. Anyone care to weigh in? My league rosters about 250 prospects total. I can drop him this off-season and free up an extra draft pick in 2016 or hold another year and see how he develops.

Obviously I like Touki’s upside but its a very high risk profile. I’m leaning towards dropping him as I’m concerned another year in A ball won’t reveal much about his chances of making it to the majors as a starter someday. Anyone have any thoughts? I’d be freeing up a 3rd round pick in 2016, which is right around the same slot that I drafted Touki this year.

RotoLando
10 years ago
Reply to  Name

Can you trade him? There’s got to be one Braves fan in your league, right?

Name
10 years ago
Reply to  RotoLando

I’ve shopped him but not received much interest yet. No Braves fans that I know of. I could use him as a throw-in to sweeten another trade maybe, but I could do the same thing with the 3rd round draft pick… so its still a question of which of those two things I’d prefer to keep for myself. Thanks for responding.

RotoLando
10 years ago
Reply to  Name

I assume this is a draft for 2015 draftees and international guys?

Just as my own personal preference, I think I’d rather have Touki than a 3rd rounder out of this upcoming crop. Guys like him can linger on name and upside for a few years. A third round guy in a decent size dynasty draft is 3-4 years away if you’re lucky.

Name
10 years ago
Reply to  Name

Yes, your assumption is correct. After I start to put together my draft list and see who falls into that range I may come to the same conclusion and prefer Touki. Thanks again.

The other option is to wait until BA and BP rel

Name
10 years ago
Reply to  Name

(I got cut off) … the other option is to wait until BA and BP release their new top 100 lists. If Touki makes both lists that would help his trade value.

RotoLando
10 years ago

Any plans for a live chat? It may be the most interesting one since we got Eno talking about German toilet features.

Jake Finnegan
10 years ago

Definitely wanted to give you a shout out for taking the heat so well. Whatever folks do and do not think of your work, no one has been given cause to call out your character. You’ve been very professional in response to the criticism, as well as forthright with your decision making process. As a reader, I’m finding this to be a breath of fresh air. Thank you and keep it going man. Good luck!

Phillip
10 years ago

Zack Bird isn’t a top 25-30 prospect in this system? He had a tough year as far as walks go but still k/9 over 9 across Hi A and a few games in AA. Just going into his age 21 season. He doesn’t even get a mention?

The Other Phillip
10 years ago
Reply to  Phillip

I had the same question. Not super high on him, but felt like he deserved a mention.

Forrest Gumption
10 years ago

The funniest thing about all the crybabies in this thread is that: all prospects are designed to break your heart and its borderline impossible to predict their career arcs no matter what grades they have. A-grade prospects can be deemed failures and then win MVPs, like Donaldson just did. Conceptually “lists” and “grades” are flawed and how a player ends up in the bigs and gets a decent shot to stick relies on many different factors. Kris Bryant types are few and far between. So Farnsworth putting them all in a hat and pulling them in and listing them in that order honestly is no less valid than a groupthink review of a guy. I enjoyed seeing a different looking list than normal, but I don’t really care about lists and grades, just stats and scouting reports.

Phillip
10 years ago

I feel like this comment is a lot more disrespectful than what some of the “cry babies” are saying. I’m willing to bet Dan is more excited that his list is generating this kind of response than the alternative. Hell he knew that he would have many people disagreeing with him based on how he constructed the list. Just because you don’t care about prospect list, rankings, and grades doesn’t mean no one else should. Suggesting Dan just puts names in a hat and pulls them randomly downplays the amount of time and effort he put into the list.

Ben
10 years ago

I write for a Braves site, and I am our minor league writer specifically. I’ve been hard on Weber for some time, but this even surprised me. I do appreciate the different perspective and your explanation, even if I haven’t seen the same thing in my viewings of the players mentioned.

Snowman
10 years ago

Unlike some others, I as a Braves fan only believe Toussaint to be ranked too low. If anything, I think this is probably a little rosier than the reality. We got a lot of fringy, hope and a prayer guys, and I expect one or two (three of we’re really lucky) of those guys to blossom while the rest flame out in AA and are never heard from again. This is one of the most aggressively anti-stat front offices of the last ten years, and it’s showing in the teardown.

Of course, every single last one of them has been hyped by the front office and most of the Braves media as future superstars and top prospects… including a handful who were aged 28-32 and still in the minors.

Tyler
10 years ago
Reply to  Snowman

That is simply not true. John Coppolella is a huge sabermetrician and he’s surrounding himself with guys like Kiley McDaniel, who used to write for this site. If anything, this rebuild has been based around that. Make sure you know what’s going on before throwing around some baseless information like that.
Also, please let me know of “prospects” in the system who are being hyped by media as superstars that are 30 years old other than Hector Olivera.

Snowman
10 years ago
Reply to  Tyler

A.) The same Coppolella who just last week said that the team can be better with Aybar at short than Andrelton because he’s a btter hitter because of batting average? I know the Braves hype him as a stat guy, but out version of a stats guy is “batting average and ERA instead of RsBI and Wins.” It’s not real. And let’s not forget his boss’s boss the team President (Schuerholz) mocking stats, in writing (in the Shanks anti-Moneyball book about him), making a mother’s basement crack (using precisely that term), and saying OBP only matters for leadoff hitters. You think we’ll get a real stats guy while he makes the decisions?

b.) Hector Olivera, Adonis Garcia, Cameron Maybin, and Arodys Vizcaino were all touted as prospects by our media (excepting Bowman, who seems to be the only one capable of telling a truth that doesn’t fit the narrative.) Chip and Joe even touted Garcia as a guy whose future could be a middle of the order hitter who hits .280 with 25 homers every year, which was one of the most laughable conversation ever (saying something with those two), and DOB has been almost as bad as they.

Phillip
10 years ago
Reply to  Snowman

You can’t be serious with this?! Especially part b

Snowman
10 years ago
Reply to  Snowman

I’m absolutely serious. They absolutely said it.

Now, if you want to be generous and count, for example, Calcaterra and Duronio among our team media, then I’m off-base here. But I just really don’t count smart guys with blogs in that group. If you only look at the guys paid to cover the team on TV and in newspapers, they have almost all been utterly terrible and borderline insulting. Chip, Joe, DOB, Shanks… all purely propagandists (though I guess I’d argue that in the case of Shanks and Chip, I believe they’re actually dumb enough to believe the stuff they say).

And I do believe that that hype has led to a major overrating by a large part of the fanbase of guys like Mallex Smith, Tyrell Jenkins, and Jason Hursh.

David
10 years ago
Reply to  Snowman

To be fair most even semi knowledgeable fans don’t trust anything Chip or Joe says. They often praised Crawford as being a better defensive short stop than Simmons so they say a lot of weird, untrue things.

MichaelProcton
10 years ago
Reply to  Tyler

Snowman has a relevant overall point. John Schuerholtz and Bobby Cox are huge believers in scouting and makeup. There’s been an entire book (Scout’s Honor) written about the Braves’ proclivity to trust in their scouting over analytics during their 90s-00s run. Frank Wren’s use of analytics (he even tried to dictate the lineup to the manager) was met with militant refusal in some cases, and the organization’s choice to keep Fredi Gonzalez and dump Wren is telling as well. But Tyler, too, is right. Coppolella is a “new era” front office man, fully versed in the use and understanding of statistical analysis. They’re trying to look at it from all angles, and they need to, given their corporate line-item ownership and limited revenue base relative to the 90s TBS days when other teams weren’t even on TV locally on a full-time basis.

maxcd99
10 years ago

Don’t take this the wrong way, but don’t these rankings often reflect the general value that organizations view these prospects? I thought I saw that stated somewhere before Kiley left. This is definitely against the grain, but I don’t know if its for better or for worse.

Dewmack
10 years ago

Max Povse is from UNC-Greensboro. Not UNC. As a fellow Spartan alum, I’d like to see UNCG get all the recognition it can.

John
10 years ago

I like these rankings. It’s cool to see someone go against the grain of ‘industry rankings’. Now we can read these and the ones that seek to compile a consensus opinion. They are both valuable.

Also, I’m super excited to see who Dan likes in the Jay’s system!

John
10 years ago
Reply to  John

Also means I can waste double the time at work

Johnnie
10 years ago

I may not be a Braves fan, but I feel like I have sufficient knowledge of prospects to make a comment here. I have to say that I admire your bravery in publishing this piece as it goes against the consensus with a lot of original thoughts, which I feel is a good thing> Reading the same rankings over and over gets boring, and I respect your prospect knowledge, and I believe many others should to, enough to take a few extra looks on those such as Gant and Weber. I will have to disagree on some, like with any lists, but there are some points I’d look to point out. The consensus seems to love Hector Olivera and his bat, and fans stick to what the “experts” think. I’m personally not a huge Olivera fan, and I know plenty of fans who aren’t quite buying the hype either yet still rank him high because everyone else does it. I feel like your list and your knowledge of the game justifies your rankings, and surprising as they may be, should still be respected and taken seriously. Looking forward to your next post.

BarvesFan
10 years ago

I’d like to say while I do not agree with your rankings (not that I’m willing to endorse the more trollish posters here), I do appreciate your write ups. Your analysis of the player’s mechanics is very interesting, and I look forward to reading them if they continue.

I imagine coming up with rankings for ~600ish players is a pretty tough task by the way, just some perspective for those giving you an unnecessarily hard time.

Mark Davidson
10 years ago

People were stoked on the diamonbacks post and they’re outraged about this Braves post. Small sample size to be sure, I like this list a lot, there are good evaluations rather than just citing athleticism or “hits triple digits!” There were some mistakes that Dan amended. There is no place more unforgiving than the Internet.

Hugh
10 years ago

Jake hope you see this some day and that it’s not too late. I just want to thank you for standing up to these guys. This list was a clear joke. I feel no ill will towards the compiler of this list and honestly looking over your comments I don’t believe you do either. On this site at this time you were the minority and you were getting roasted and you held your ground. I felt terrible for you and I appreciate your efforts. I had about twenty texts from my friends when I woke up this morning making fun of this list and I can only imagine that the changes have helped you to feel justified. Sorry you got downvoted for being right so to speak there are a lot of experts in this room so to speak that probably hadn’t heard of half these guys but gave you hell anyways. Forget about them you did a great job brother keep up the good work.

rayguMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

there are better ways to communicate your disagreement with any prospect rankings/lists. He chose to bash which is basically what the internet has become.

Sad.

Hugh
10 years ago

Sorry I said so to speak twice my roomate was yelling at me to help him find his keys and I’m on a pos smart phone that has a wonky touch screen and I didn’t feel like deleting.

state the obvious
10 years ago

just think it’s funny you did kiley’s team first, you hoping for feedback from him for future lists or an alphabetic koinky dink

Dan
10 years ago

He did Arizona first and he’s going alphabetically.

ImKeithHernandez
10 years ago

Just wanted to say kudos on making those edits and admitting some mistakes. Not an easy thing to do, but is important if it does make the list better. Thanks for doing this! I now have a weird rooting interest in seeing these evaluations turn out 100% correct after the unnecessary flame war they caused.

StaffAce
10 years ago

The Braves spiral started when Leo Mazzone chose his life long friend on the Orioles over continuing to develop Braves pitching prospects. Our pitching has never been the same. Secondly, Freddie ruined Jason and Andrelton by jerking them all over the lineup. The 70’s Red Machine came to the ballpark everyday with the lineup in Ink. Consistency is the key for baseball, day in and day out. John Hart destroyed the Indians by trying to do the same rebuild. Freddie is a decent everyday player, but not a budding superstar. He is a Mark Grace with a bit more power. We might set the all time record for fewest homeruns by a major league team. The next several years will bring back memories of the 80’s Braves. Lying on the bed with my pregnant wife and watching the Braves lose night, after night, after night. Chopless in Marietta…….

John
10 years ago

People need to calm down. It’s very clear that Dan is a “internet scout” and has not actually seen any of these player play in person…

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  John

Pro tip: Hardly anyone has seen all top prospects in person and even they have only seen most of those prospects once. When writing about prospects, you rely a lot on both video and talking to other people who get to see those players more frequently. There will always be a great deal of uncertainty in prospect evaluation, both because you’re not seeing them against major league competition and because they’re still young athletes in the process of development rather than being finished products. At times it feels a bit like hurricane forecasting. You give your best guess based on the data available to you while knowing that there are numerous other potential tracks, then you prepare for the inevitable deluge of criticism from not being perfectly accurate. What you should care about in prospect lists isn’t the number, it’s the analysis of a player’s strengths and weaknesses. That’s the meaningful information.

Bob
10 years ago

Dan,

Is your analysis of Hector Olivera’s swing solely from this year? Just wondering what the sample size was for your analysis and if you thought there were possible tweaks on the way.

I have no idea what to expect from Olivera, but I like your attention to detail here. Thanks for the write up and any response you might be able to give.

Turkey Monster
10 years ago

Hi Dan,

Minor correction re Kolby Allard. It appears the initial reports that his surgery after the GCL season was his second surgery are false. He did have to end his senior season prematurely bc of a stress reaction in his back, but the most recent surgery is his first and only one. Allard himself on his medical history:
https://twitter.com/KolbyAllard/status/669278695446568960

Dan Farnsworth
10 years ago
Reply to  Turkey Monster

Thanks! I saw that too. I’ll put a note in about it under his report.