Frenchy, and the Process

A pair of great, Kansas City-based writers, Sam Mellinger and Joe Posnanski, both weighed in recently on Jeff Francoeur and his role with the Royals. Mellinger discusses Francoeur’s new physique, and how dropping 25 pounds could help him regain his lost mojo. Poz focuses on Frenchy’s WINNING! personality, and his lack of success as a big league hitter.

High-quality discussion, to be sure. But all the discussion of Francoeur’s amazing start as a rookie, his complete lack of plate discipline, and his new Humpilates regimen ignores the key point here: He’s a warm body. That’s all Dayton Moore and the Royals wanted, or needed.

In signing Francoeur to a one-year, $2.5 million contract with an option for 2012, the Royals would seem to be violating any number of sabermetric principles. Don’t give playing time to known bad commodities. Don’t spend real money on (near-)replacement-level talent. And definitely don’t give playing time and real money to established, lousy players and block someone else’s path at the same time.

In the Royals’ case, there’s more going on. If you listen to Moore talk about Francoeur, it sounds like KC’s gem is discussing a star player. Moore recently described Frenchy as “an especially gifted athlete.”

Oops, my bad. That was then-Atlanta Director of Player Personnel Dayton Moore, in 2003, telling a young prospects writer named Dave Cameron that Francoeur was an especially gifted athlete. (The Internet never forgets.)

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Same idea, though. When Moore praises Francoeur today, there’s a part of him that truly believes that a corner outfielder with a career .310 on-base percentage could still become a valuable player. That’s classic cognitive dissonance: If Francoeur is a lost cause, then Moore’s evaluation of Frenchy the prospect must have been horribly wrong.

Dissonance aside, though, Moore might not think that highly of Francoeur. After all, no GM is going to badmouth a player on his roster, no matter how much he paid — regardless of whether or not that GM projected the player as a star eight years earlier. Ultimately, as Kevin Goldstein and I discussed yesterday on the Jonah Keri Podcast, the Royals’ outfield situation was embarrassingly thin at the big league level. And with a slew of top prospects nearing the majors, cheap, one-year contracts for players like Francoeur and Melky Cabrera (one year, $1.25 million) aren’t egregious expenditures.

It’s not a perfect situation either, of course. As one Royals fan colleague said when we discussed the topic:

The problem is that the signings’ (Melky and Frenchy) talent is so bad, the AAAA OFers (Maier, Blanco, Cain) are on par or better than them. The $$$ spent on them is the same as they spent on Wil Myers’ signing bonus. The management bitches about the lack of $$$, but then spend what little they have stupidly.

Fair, for the most part. Though Mitch Maier and Gregor Blanco are pretty much known, unimpressive commodities too.

Ultimately, there’s one overriding factor that may have made these signings happen: the tacit expectation of a salary floor in Major League Baseball. Plenty of teams (including the Royals themselves) have run low to very low payrolls in the past few years. Most of the time, we don’t hear any major complaints about it.

But occasionally, we do. When the Marlins’ string of dollar-store spending extended into the 2009-2010 off-season, the players union and Commissioner’s office banded together to chastise the club for its thriftiness. Two days later, Josh Johnson got a four-year, $39 million contract extension.

With the current collective bargaining agreement due to expire at the end of this season, one imagines that neither MLB nor the union wants to do anything blatantly adversarial, unless absolutely necessary. Not to say that anyone put a gun to Moore’s head and told him to spend money, or even that someone suggested it. But by signing Billy Butler to a four-year extension and yes, bringing in Francoeur and Cabrera for just under $4 million combined, the Royals likely ensured that conversation would never take place.

The Royals are unanimously considered owners of the strongest collection of prospects in the game. Goldstein said he’s never seen a crop as strong as the one KC has. Francoeur (and Cabrera) aren’t blocking any of those prospects on one-year deals. No harm, no foul.

Beyond that, Francoeur is personable enough to motivate esteemed writers to bang out gigantic articles and blog posts about him. He hits lefties well enough and fields well enough to be a potential (minor) trade chip at the deadline, much as he was last year. And there is a very, very slight chance that he delivers significant positive value for the first time in four years, even if he continues to draw walks once a decade.

Frenchy’s a fun guy, and a fun punching bag. But in major league terms, he’s just some guy. It’s safe to move on to other topics.





Jonah Keri is the author of The Extra 2%: How Wall Street Strategies Took a Major League Baseball Team from Worst to First -- now a National Bestseller! Follow Jonah on Twitter @JonahKeri, and check out his awesome podcast.

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Zzzzzzzzz
15 years ago

I think this topic has been humped dry by Zimmerman, Devil Fingers and Will McDonald. You’re right – it’s safe to move on to other topics.

the Extra 2%
15 years ago

If we are focusing on tiny edges and arbitrage, then I’d suggest that saving the 3.75 million is a big deal. 3.75 million goes a long way in the International market or the Rule 4 draft or signing your own players. Instead its being used to upgrade players with career wRC+ of 81 and 91 for players with wRC+ of 86 and 89. If it’s just about staying above the informal salary floor than MLB needs to rewind itself to a time when teams could spend as little as they wanted, instead of creating an incentive to give Jeff Francouer and Melky Cabrera money to play baseball.

glp
15 years ago

The Royals payroll is going to be ridiculously low this year, yes, but every time you hear the figure mentioned or someone complains about it, remember that’s it’s not 100% their fault…if it weren’t for Gil Meche, it would be $12.4 million higher.

Santos
15 years ago

“He covers the plate well but isn’t very selective, and would be better served to wait for pitches that he can pull. He doesn’t have any mechanical flaws in his swing that suggest he will have difficulty adjusting to higher-level pitching, so his plate discipline could be what makes or breaks him”

-Dave Cameron, 2003

Game. Blouses.

B N
15 years ago
Reply to  Santos

Got to say, Dave Cameron gets a few right, no? That fellow might be onto something now and again.

CircleChange11
15 years ago
Reply to  B N

Or that one could say that plate discipline is the make or break aspect for any of the non-elite MLB players.

I’ll go out on a limb and say that for young pitchers that are not on the superstar level of Strasburg or Lincecum that “command” is going to be their make or break issue.

I’ll go further on that limb and say that MOST young pitchers won’t have the command to remain long-term (5-10 years) major league starters.

That’s not to say Dave isn;t smart or didn;t get it right, but just look at what was said, and the same statement applies to numerous young players across the league. How many young batters are so talented that their plate discipline is not THE issue?

By generality, I’ll be right, what? 70% of the time?

Anon
15 years ago
Reply to  B N

Contact skills?

DonCoburleone
15 years ago
Reply to  Santos

LOL… “Let me tell you man, that Prince can ball”

Karl Winslow
15 years ago
Reply to  DonCoburleone

“…but despite all that, I rank him as the #6 best prospect.”

SKob
15 years ago

I like how Gil Meche is used here in the Royals defense. I have never heard his contract used to defend that team before! Well done!

Carl
15 years ago

Jonah, this article somehow manages to both hit the point and miss it at the same time. Yeah, the Frenchy signing in a vacuum isn’t that big of a deal. $2.5 million isn’t that much money, and it is mostly about Union appeasement. Granted.

The problem isn’t the signing. It’s that Francoeur will play baseball for the Royals every day despite the fact that there is no baseball reason for him to do so. If the Royals were interested in winning ballgames, they’d tell Jeffy Ballclub that he needs to sit on the pine against RHP, and not whine so much about it.

If David Lough has a great year at AAA, do you think he’ll get called up? Not unless the Royals make a trade, which they are incapable of doing until it’s too late in the season for it to matter (see: Ka’aihue, Kila).

mister_rob
15 years ago

For all the abuse Frenchy gets, does anyone realize which AL Central starting RFer he has out WAR’d the last 2 years in a row according to b-ref?

Carlos Quentin

Speaking of the WSox, he has also outproduced Mark Teahan 2 years in a row, yet the “brilliant” Kenny williams felt it nesessary to give Mark a 3 yr guaranteed deal after the “dumb” Dayton traded him away

CircleChange11
15 years ago
Reply to  mister_rob

It’s hard for me to understand how TCQ’s fielding metrics fell this far, this quickly.

2006: +3.5
2007: +6.0
2008: -3.3
2009: -14.5
2010: -22.9

It’s also difficult to understand how he can be 10 runs worse than Cuddyer.

In 2 years, TCQ went from above average to the worst OF in the AL.

There is no defense for the Teahen deal. He was performing at replacement level for the 2 years before the ChiSox acquired him.

Nick
15 years ago
Reply to  CircleChange11

Thing is, you watch CQ in the field, and what you really wonder is how he was ever +3.5 or +6 in a given season. Q has a unique quality of combining really poor athleticism with a general inability to track the ball in the outfield. Even really slow outfielders like Cuddyer and Ordonez seem to do well enough tracking balls to make plays at a reasonably below-average level.

Honestly, as awful as Dunn is in the field, the White Sox should consider just putting him in right and making CQ the DH.

CircleChange11
15 years ago
Reply to  CircleChange11

That’s probably the better question. How did ever get + UZR?

He doesn’t even make phone calls on a direct line.

gdc
15 years ago

There is also the casual fan factor. If 3 players give you an equal chance to win, one with an HR, one with a double and a walk, and the third with two singles and a steal, the fan memory factor is probably going for the HR, then the steal, just because they made the game more interesting. Something like putting in one mediocre running back for the other and the fans who know he was a college QB perking up hoping for a trick play.

CircleChange11
15 years ago

Jonah,

FWIW, I consider you to be far too talented to write about Frenchy, Moore, or the same old Royals story.

He’s a warm body.

To add to that:

[1] … that won’t destroy the clubhouse complaining about losing.
[2] … that serves as a professional example.
[3] … won’t embarrass the community/organization with legal issues.

As a player, it’s not that big of na deal. He’s just a dude. Easily replaceable. As a character guy on a team that could lose as many games as any team in recent memory. Having someone that’s not going to go Milton Bradley or climb a clocktower is important.

I would prefer to play the young guys.

I also wonder if Frenchy isn’t being brought to KC and then turned into a minor league coach/manager, etc. There seems to be that kind of affection/intention on behalf of Moore.

VillainMember since 2024
15 years ago
Reply to  CircleChange11

“[1] … that won’t destroy the clubhouse complaining about losing.”

False!

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2010/08/mets_outfielder_jeff_francoeur_1.html

I understand he’s big and cuddly, but Jeff Francoeur is a dick. He got his wish this summer, too. People wonder what I really have against the guy, it isn’t that he’s terrible, it’s the delusion he has that he isn’t terrible. Guy gets paid 5 million dollars for nothing, season’s over, he’s performing terribly in August, team wants to bring up the future, and his agent bitches about it. Whatever, I’m glad I’m done with him. Fuck Jeff Francoeur, and his infectious smile!

CircleChange11
15 years ago
Reply to  Villain

I, obviously, do not know him personally. So, I am going by comments of the men that keep hiring him.

charlie*hustle
15 years ago

I don’t mind the signings of Melky and Frenchy. Those relatively inexpensive 1 year deals will likely get flipped for more youngsters.

Besides that, ya just never know when “once highly thought of” 27 year old vets will figure it out and actually become productive ball players.

You never know, and you won’t find out without at least giving it a shot. These signings are negligible, low risk moves at best.

JoeyO
15 years ago

With their planned move of Gordon on top of Maier, Blanco, Cain, Kila with Butler secure there is no room, and therefore no need, for Melk & French. To add them to the mix the club must either continue stunting the growth of Gordon\Kila (and now likely Cain) or lose Maier\Blanco who are more versatile and cost effective with optional control

They could have used the club already controlled and taken the cash saved to instead address the one area which is in shambles – pitching. That 4mil would have landed a starter instead, and even a Millwood type would look good in that rotation.

Signing one of the two unproductive Outfielders is already arguable enough, signing both is just pointless, wasteful and well, very Moore-like

McCman
15 years ago

“Frenchy’s a fun guy, and a fun punching bag. But in major league terms, he’s just some guy.”

dude that was awesome hahahah

BH
15 years ago

“Cabrera (isn’t) blocking any of those prospects on (a) one-year deal”

except for Cain (acquired a week after Melky and clearly better), and Dyson.

Not to mention that the Omaha Royals outfield is going to involve Lough, Dyson, and Cain. With the team either starting their best CFer in RF or starting their top CF prospect in RF. And Derrick Robinson would start the year in Northwest Arkansas, despite hitting his away out of there in 2010.

Butterfly effect.

There’s no productive reason to have Melky start on the 25 man roster for the Royals. Cain is as ready as he’s gonna be. Melky is useless as a bench player and useless in the corners. If Melky gets more PAs with the Royals than Cain, then it’s a waste of the Royals time because he has as much trade value as a couch put on Craigslist.

Stuff like signing Melky really should make you suspect there’s an above average shot that DM takes the best system in baseball and gets nothing out of it. If he’s signing clunkers now, what’s to say he doesn’t keep doing that to appease Selig?

Cliff
15 years ago

I’m with Joey, why have these guys on the roster wasting 3.5 mil. Everybody knows a 30 mil payroll isn’t going anywhere. How about giving some kids that have a chance at becoming something instead of watching hasbeens deteriorate.
RE: glp “Not their fault” A payroll of 43 mil with Meche in the rotation is definately D Moore’s fault.

Joey B
15 years ago

Taken in isolation, Kendall, Betancourt, and Ankiel were okay, but together it’s still $8M+ in 2010.

Taken in isolation, trading minimum wages RPs like Ramirez and Nunez seemed okay, and Jacobs only cost $3.3M, and Crisp only cost $6.1M. Of course, you also needed two RPs to replace the two minimum wage RPs, Cruz and Farns only cost $2.2M and $4.2M, but together it’s still ~ $12M in 2009.

But none of that matters. It just seems like this is just another step in DM’s hypothesis that, since OBP is not on the back of a BB card, it’s not a real stat.

Nick
15 years ago

Thing is, you look at the major league moves, and it makes you look at the impressive minor league collection and wonder “What’s going to happen to these guys when they are subjected to DM’s bizarre roster tendencies?” I’m fully expecting Eric Hosmer to have a rough opening month or something, and then he’s going to get caught stealing on a blown hit and run and DM’s going to immediately trade him for Omar Infante because “Eric doesn’t want to hustle.”

ninjatuned
15 years ago

Jimmy Kimmel is not funny.

Shaun
15 years ago

Something else that seems to get ignored in most discussions of Francoeur: He’s been decent against left-handed pitching posting a .299/.343/.481 career slash line in 982 plate appearances. Maybe that’s something fluky going on here. And his overall performance obviously indicates he’s probably not worth a big contract.

Jim
15 years ago
Reply to  Shaun

Yes, everyone is aware of his splits, and it was mentioned in the post you’re replying to.

Otis
15 years ago

There is no need to defend the Royals’ payroll. It’s great that it is so low because when this talent does start coming to the big leagues there will be plenty of room to sign a big FA or two it fill needs as they arise and allow the team to compete.

They’ve never been in a better position – low salary and droves of cheap highly-talented prospects about to burst on the scene.

The days of being embarrassed to be a Royals fan are limited.