Giants Acquire Rafael Devers in Unexpected Blockbuster

Look, I’ll just get right to it:
The San Francisco Giants are acquiring Rafael Devers from the Boston Red Sox for Jordan Hicks, Kyle Harrison and more, according to sources familiar with the deal.
— Robert Murray (@ByRobertMurray) June 15, 2025
That’s the kind of blockbuster you don’t see every day. Rafael Devers is the best healthy Red Sox hitter. The Sox are above .500 and in the thick of the AL playoff hunt. They’re desperate for offense – though they came into the year with more hitters than spots, injuries to Alex Bregman, Triston Casas, Wilyer Abreu, and Masataka Yoshida have left them scrambling for depth. Abraham Toro has been batting high in the order of late. Romy Gonzalez is their backup DH. And they just traded their starting DH – hitting .271/.400/494, good for 14 home runs and a 145 wRC+ – for salary relief? We’re going to need a deeper dive.
Let’s start with the return. The Sox sent Devers and his entire contract – 10 years and $313.5 million at time of signing, with about $250 million and 8.5 years left on it today – to the Giants. In exchange, they got a wide mixture of players. There’s a major leaguer, Jordan Hicks. There’s a recently graduated prospect, Kyle Harrison. There’s a well-regarded hitting prospect, James Tibbs III. There’s another, further away prospect, pitcher Jose Bello. Finally, there’s that sweet, sweet financial flexibility, something the Sox are no stranger to.
If you look at baseball completely in the abstract, with bean-counting surplus value as your only guiding light for evaluating a trade, this one looks reasonable enough. Devers is under contract for a lot of years at a lot of dollars per year, and projection systems consistently think that he’ll generate low WAR totals for his salary in the back half of his deal. Harrison was a top 25 prospect not so long ago. Tibbs was a first round draft pick last year. Bello is an interesting lottery ticket. Hicks – okay, Hicks might have been a salary offset. But the point is, it’s likely that if all you care about is WAR accrued per dollar spent, the Sox come out ahead on this deal for most reasonable models of surplus value.
I don’t think those models make a ton of sense here, though. The Red Sox are trying to make the playoffs. You know what their team could use more than a 22-year-old in High-A and a former top pitching prospect with a 4.50 career ERA? They could use a slugging DH with the perfect swing for Fenway. If their wildest dreams came true, maybe he’d be 28 and under team control for a long time so that they didn’t have to try desperately to find a replacement soon.
Guys like Devers don’t grow on trees. Want an example of what I mean? There are no players on either the Red Sox or Giants projected for a better batting line the rest of the season. In 2024? You guessed it: No player on either the Red Sox or Giants produced a higher wRC+ than Devers. There are better hitters than Devers, but there aren’t many. Building a baseball team is a game of marshaling scarce resources, and one of the scarcest of all is a truly impactful hitter.
It’s possible that Tibbs, who for my money is the best player the Sox got back in this deal, will end up being an impactful hitter, though obviously he doesn’t project to turn out as well as Devers has. A 2024 first round pick out of Florida State, Tibbs struggled in his brief pro debut but looks at home this year. He’s evaluated as a 45-FV prospect, displaying an impressive command of the strike zone and hitting the ball hard. Here’s a more detailed scouting report courtesy of Eric Longenhagen:
Tibbs was a consistent three-year performer at Florida State, where he hit .338/.462/.685 throughout his career. He had a power leap as a junior, doubling his career home run total with 28 draft-year bombs; he also improved his K-to-BB ratio, with 58 walks and 37 strikeouts in 320 PA. He had one of the 2024 draft’s higher floors as a lefty bat with a stable blend of contact and power. A really putrid post-draft summer cast a pall upon his profile until Tibbs was able to right the ship in 2025; he was sent back to Eugene and was hitting .245/.377/.480 with 12 homers in 56 games prior to the Rafael Devers trade.
Tibbs’ lightning quick hands allow him to snatch inner-half pitches to his pull side and generate oppo contact on pitches that travel deeper in the zone. For how compact he is, Tibbs is quite strong and uses the ground well to help him generate power. He is of medium build at a relatively maxed-out 6-feet tall and doesn’t produce monster peak exit velos (his max exits are roughly average), but he consistently hits the ball hard and in the air, which speaks to the verve in his hitting hands. He crushes in the middle of the plate, but looks much less comfortable facing lefties, and has had some trouble covering the up-and-away portion of the zone because his hips tend to bail toward first base as he unwinds.
He also needs to improve on defense. Some of this might be that the turf in Eugene creates a fast track of sorts for batted balls, but Tibbs has played some routine singles into triples this year because the baseball gets behind him, and he sometimes looks uncomfortable at the catch point on fly balls. He has a good arm and should be developed in right field, but he has some work to do out there if he’s going to be an average defender. Tibbs is a good hitter and prospect whose reasonable outcomes are that of a righty-mashing platoon outfielder who may need to be subbed out against lefties or for a defensive replacement. If he can improve in even one of those areas, then he’ll project more like an everyday player. He’s tracking to debut sometimes in late 2027 or 2028.
Next on my personal list of impact likelihood would be Harrison, who debuted in 2023 as San Francisco’s top prospect and has been bouncing between the big leagues, Triple-A, and the IL ever since. He hasn’t locked down a spot because he hasn’t landed on a successful second pitch to pair with his solid fastball. He throws the fastball a ton, a slurvy breaking ball next-most, and mixes in an inconsistent but interestingly-shaped changeup. He looked electric as a reliever but hasn’t clicked yet as a starter.
Boston seems to agree that Harrison isn’t immediately ready for the majors; he was in the San Francisco rotation at the time of the trade (slated to start Sunday’s game!), but the Red Sox optioned him to Triple-A after acquiring him. That means the only player who will join Boston’s playoff-hopeful roster is Hicks, whose conversion from reliever to starter hasn’t really taken. As a reliever, he lived in triple digits and snapped off a hellacious slider underneath the heat. As a starter, his fastball played down and he didn’t quite have enough secondaries to balance it out. I expect the Sox to plug him into the back of the bullpen when he returns from the IL, where he’s been since June 1 thanks to an inflamed toe. In truth, the biggest reason Hicks is in this deal is probably salary; he’s due $32 million through 2027. He could still be a true asset in the bullpen, though; at his peak, he was absolutely dominant.
The Sox shopped in quantity more so than quality here; they also got Bello, a 2023 international signee who looked sharp in the DSL last year. Here’s Longenhagen on Bello:
Bello had a dominant second DSL season in 2024 and was pitching in the Giants’ Complex League rotation in Arizona for the first part of 2025 when he was traded to Boston as part of the package for Devers. He has an east/west starter’s mix with very advanced command and three potentially average pitches. The best of these is Bello’s upper-70s slider, which he uses most of all, often as a way to get ahead of hitters. His fastball lives in the 88-92 mph range most of the time and has sink/tail action that is vulnerable to damage when Bello doesn’t locate it. Mostly, he does though. For his age, he’s a fairly precise craftsman who knows how to start his sinker above the zone and drop it in the top for looking strikes. Bello repeats his release and is a coordinated athlete, but he’s not really an explosive one. He isn’t all that athletically projectable and isn’t a lock to throw harder as he matures. He’s going to command his stuff (and maybe add a cutter) en route to a backend starter role, which is still years away.
And if, like me, you’re a visual learner, here he is pitching in 2025:
As you can see from the timelines of the players we’re talking about here, none of these guys are likely to make a huge impact on the 2025 Red Sox. That’s what I don’t get about this trade. We’re talking about a team that, at least on the surface, is trying to compete both now and in the future. They have one of the best farm systems in baseball, with both top-end talent and depth. They consolidated some of that value over the offseason by trading for Garrett Crochet, but they still entered the season with a lot of prospects but not enough locked-in contributors. Would Trevor Story rebound? Lucas Giolito? Casas?
Now, the Red Sox still have a great farm system. They replenished some of their depth from this trade. They also have financial flexibility, that vaunted commodity that led them to trade Mookie Betts before the 2020 season. Last time, they used that money to sign… well, to sign Rafael Devers. If they’re lucky, perhaps one of their mega-prospects (Roman Anthony, Marcelo Mayer, and Kristian Campbell) will be as good as Devers in the final accounting. But even then, for how long? Campbell is locked up through 2034, but the other two aren’t, and if they end up as good as Devers, they’ll command big contracts too.
I’m being harsh here, because the dollars do matter – Devers’ deal is long enough, and his defensive value is shaky enough, that the last few years of it will probably sting. Look at trades and free agent contracts in recent years, though, and you can see that a dry “X WAR for Y dollars” accounting of the situation doesn’t correctly capture teams’ behavior and incentives. Teams overpay the model for superstars, because you can’t build a team out of surplus value. It’s great to have 26 2-WAR players making the league minimum, but that’s not a playoff team even if it’s a best-financial-value world-beater. In fact, you can think of those cost-controlled players as allowing teams to splurge on stars. If you’re filling out most of your roster in a cost-effective manner, you can go all out with dollars to squeeze as much WAR as possible into the superstar spots. The good news is, every team gets to draft or sign amateurs, so the cost-controlled surplus value spigot is self-replenishing. The superstar spigot, on the other hand, flows only rarely.
That’s the thinking in San Francisco. They spent the 2022-23 and 2023-24 offseasons trying to shoot the moon; they reportedly offered Aaron Judge and Shohei Ohtani roughly equivalent contracts to the ones they signed with their current teams. When those two spurned their advances, they made some secondary signings, Matt Chapman, Willy Adames, Jung Hoo Lee, and Justin Verlander prominent among them. They didn’t succeed in assembling a dominant offense, though, and they also had payroll room – after all, they cleared a ton of money that they didn’t spend. They came into the year with the 14th-largest payroll in baseball, less than a team of their stature should be spending in my opinion. Now they’ve added another locked-in roster spot, a star of the game who elevates their lineup.
Specifically, Devers is going to elevate their lineup by replacing the biggest black hole on the roster, first base. Giants first basemen have an aggregate 82 wRC+ this year, 25th in baseball. Now, Devers famously isn’t going to play first base this year (more on that below) and third base is occupied, but I think he’ll likely consider a position change in the offseason, and in the immediate future, the Giants can simply shift DH Wilmer Flores (112 wRC+, much better) to first.
Dan Szymborski produced two ZiPS projections for me. First, Devers in San Francisco as a first baseman:
Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | WAR |
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RoS 2025 | .285 | .379 | .509 | 316 | 52 | 90 | 21 | 1 | 16 | 60 | 45 | 80 | 2 | 150 | 2.9 |
2026 | .272 | .365 | .493 | 562 | 90 | 153 | 36 | 2 | 28 | 93 | 77 | 139 | 3 | 141 | 4.3 |
2027 | .265 | .359 | .473 | 548 | 86 | 145 | 34 | 1 | 26 | 89 | 76 | 134 | 3 | 134 | 3.7 |
2028 | .261 | .357 | .462 | 528 | 81 | 138 | 32 | 1 | 24 | 83 | 74 | 129 | 2 | 131 | 3.3 |
2029 | .257 | .352 | .451 | 506 | 76 | 130 | 30 | 1 | 22 | 76 | 70 | 124 | 2 | 126 | 2.8 |
2030 | .249 | .345 | .430 | 477 | 69 | 119 | 27 | 1 | 19 | 68 | 65 | 119 | 2 | 119 | 2.2 |
2031 | .245 | .341 | .416 | 440 | 61 | 108 | 25 | 1 | 16 | 60 | 59 | 112 | 1 | 114 | 1.7 |
2032 | .243 | .338 | .410 | 395 | 53 | 96 | 22 | 1 | 14 | 52 | 53 | 102 | 1 | 112 | 1.4 |
2033 | .241 | .333 | .404 | 349 | 46 | 84 | 19 | 1 | 12 | 45 | 46 | 91 | 1 | 109 | 1.0 |
Second, as a full-time DH:
Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | WAR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
RoS 2025 | .285 | .379 | .509 | 316 | 52 | 90 | 21 | 1 | 16 | 60 | 45 | 80 | 2 | 150 | 3.0 |
2026 | .270 | .364 | .486 | 562 | 90 | 152 | 36 | 2 | 27 | 93 | 78 | 139 | 3 | 139 | 4.0 |
2027 | .264 | .358 | .466 | 549 | 86 | 145 | 34 | 1 | 25 | 88 | 76 | 134 | 3 | 132 | 3.4 |
2028 | .259 | .356 | .455 | 528 | 81 | 137 | 32 | 1 | 23 | 82 | 74 | 129 | 2 | 128 | 3.0 |
2029 | .255 | .350 | .444 | 505 | 75 | 129 | 30 | 1 | 21 | 75 | 70 | 124 | 2 | 124 | 2.5 |
2030 | .250 | .345 | .426 | 476 | 68 | 119 | 28 | 1 | 18 | 68 | 65 | 119 | 2 | 118 | 2.1 |
2031 | .247 | .343 | .418 | 438 | 62 | 108 | 25 | 1 | 16 | 59 | 60 | 112 | 1 | 115 | 1.7 |
2032 | .244 | .338 | .405 | 390 | 52 | 95 | 22 | 1 | 13 | 51 | 52 | 101 | 1 | 110 | 1.3 |
2033 | .240 | .333 | .398 | 334 | 44 | 80 | 18 | 1 | 11 | 42 | 44 | 87 | 1 | 107 | 0.9 |
There are marginal differences around positional adjustments and the DH hitting penalty, but the gist is that ZiPS – and common sense – expect Devers to be one of the better hitters in the game for the next four to five years, gradually trending downwards as he ages. The last four years of his deal make it so that – as Jeff Passan put it – “every model in baseball has (the contract) as underwater.” The front half of it, on the other hand? Clearly a good deal.
There are two big questions about this deal, and they’re very different ones. The first concerns the off-field drama that took place between Devers and the front office earlier this year. When the Sox signed Bregman, they asked Devers to play DH instead of his long-time position of third base. He hemmed and hawed and complained about it before eventually complying. Then, when Casas went down with a season-ending injury, GM Craig Breslow asked Devers to learn first base to ease the positional logjam. Devers declined, setting off another wave of consternation.
I wasn’t in the room for these discussions. I don’t know who was unreasonable and who got misrepresented in public. But I’ll say this: When you somehow turn a complete nothing – our so-so defender needs to move to a less demanding defensive position – into a conflict big enough that it leads to you trading your franchise cornerstone, in the midst of a playoff chase, for future considerations, you’ve clearly done a poor job in communication and crisis management. I still don’t understand how the Red Sox keep getting themselves in positions where they look at their best players and decide they need to get rid of them, but if someone tries to convince you that the 2025 Red Sox got better with this trade, I think laughing is an appropriate response. That’s not what’s going on here. Regardless of who was right, regardless of whether Devers was being stubborn or Breslow unreasonable, the front office already failed. They failed when they let some sideshow, the difference between Devers at first base and Devers at DH, end in trading him. The goal of baseball is to build a great team and win the World Series. You don’t have to point blame to one or the other to say that things went off the rails when what started as a positional tiff ends with you trading one of your best players for salary relief.
The second big question is one I’ve been answering in parts throughout this article: Should you look to dollars-per-WAR calculations and surplus value and say that this trade is a home run for the Red Sox, or should you look at each team’s playoff odds in 2025 and say the Giants fleeced them? I land somewhere in the middle, but closer to the second viewpoint. Yes, Devers’ deal will be “underwater” from a surplus value standpoint when it’s all said and done. No, that doesn’t change how good he’s likely to be in the next few years. No, signing a big contract doesn’t preclude teams from signing other players or putting a winning club on the field. People have been alternately calling the contracts of Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, and Mookie Betts “overpays” off and on for nearly a decade now, and their teams just continue to be excellent. Those teams also continue to be extremely happy to employ their stars – the Padres even gave Machado another “overpay” of an extension.
Apply some premium to the difference between a good player and a star, and I think this trade ends up right around value neutral, maybe a small win for the Red Sox. But that ignores the position that each team is in. The Giants will get a ton of value from Devers in 2025 alone; they’re in playoff position but need more offense to feel good about their chances. Meanwhile, the Red Sox are half a game out of the last Wild Card spot. I like their odds quite a bit less now that they’re replacing Devers’ bat with that of Romy Gonzalez or David Hamilton.
It’s all well and good to build a nice farm system and always prioritize flexibility, the bottom line, a self-sustaining machine that will devour the baseball world and spit out championship teams on league-minimum salaries. But what about this year? Jarren Duran is 29 and getting more expensive. Bregman is already 31, and he can opt out of his deal after this year if he wants – and depending on how the injury shakes out, I expect he will, given his stellar start. The Sox swung a blockbuster for Crochet this offseason, and he’s currently healthy, never a guarantee with pitchers in general and Crochet in particular. One sixth of the team control years of Anthony and Mayer will come this year (or perhaps slightly less, depending on Super 2 status). This is a strange season to be punting; the Sox have a ton of good players who might not be around all that long, and they just traded their best current hitter away instead of sticking with the current team.
I hated it when the Red Sox made a similar move in trading away Betts. I hate when the Orioles hedge instead of adding, playing for the future as the present slips away. I hate that the Red Sox seem not to care about making the playoffs – they haven’t been since 2021, and yet they’re not showing much urgency to get back. That’s what really bothers me about this trade. It’s not the silly back and forth between Devers and the front office. It’s not the chorus of number crunchers asserting that Devers is a bad value. It’s not the commodification of baseball contracts and players – though to be fair, it’s partially that. My main complaint is that teams are too willing to ignore the present even when it makes very little sense to do so. So good work, Giants, for finding a superstar who fits with your team’s current window and will immediately improve your outlook for the next handful of years. And bad work, Red Sox, for twisting yourself into a position where you trade a franchise cornerstone while you’re above .500 and scrambling for playoff relevance. Sometimes it doesn’t need to be more complicated than that.
The description of Kyle Harrison in this story has been updated to correct a previous oversight.
Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
I recall a few weeks ago people being skeptical when it was suggested FSG was creating a problem with Devers because they wanted out of his contract – even though they have done this multiple times before with both the Red Sox and Liverpool
It turns out those of us suggesting this was contrived were wrong too! We expected it would play out sometime in the offseason
The Fenway group might be getting ready to sell the Penguins back to Mario.
Maybe this is true, but it’s also true that Bregman is a much better 3B defender than Devers, while his bat is tailor-made for Fenway. Devers is lousy at 3B and needed to be moved off there anyway, it was just a question of when to have that conversation.
Devers is no worse now as a defender than he was when he came up, and he’s been worth 27.5 fWAR over those eight years. If he had declined, then I would be more understanding of their decision making. Instead, they replaced him with a player who will opt-out after this season and put someone else into the lineup who is an even worse defender at a more important defensive position.
Right, he’s going to opt out of $40M per right after missing three months with an injury to the same place he was injured earlier in his career (/eyeroll).
EDIT: Devers was a below-average defensive 3B when he came up, and he still is now. Saying he’s no worse than when he came up is irrelevant to my point.
Boston thought Devers was so valuable despite his defense that they gave him $313.5 million. Again, he has not declined offensively or defensively. The back end of that contract will be painful, but right now he is as good as he has ever been, and has been by far the most productive hitter for the Red Sox this season.
I dont even think the backend will be all that painful. 30M when he’s 35-36 will be like 20M right now, which theyve been paying to Trevor Story and Yoshida to be worthless for multiple years now
Yes, this. In 2032, Devers salary might read like what the Dodgers are currently overpaying Michael Conforto. You wince at it a little bit but it’s not a glaring black hole in your accounting. And you’ll probably still get a little production out of it, even if it does decline to 1-2 WAR per year.
That’s a nice sum to not have to worry about first base (or DH) for the next eight years. People need to understand better that constructing a good baseball roster is mostly about finding guys who are productive at every position for as long as you can. Devers was an automatic lineup card addition for the Sox and would have remained so for a decade before they needed to think about finding somebody else.
Where exactly are you getting that Bregman is going to miss 3 months??? More like 2, it would require a setback for him to miss 3.
To be fair, the savings from Devers probably go towards a Bregman extension.
So in theory, Devers vs. Bregman, Harrison, Thibs, Hicks (who I still think can be a solid SP, but maybe is just a reliever).
Then again, they could have signed both Devers and Bregman. But once that relationship soured, they probably preferred a healthier environment for the Anthony, Campbell, Mayer, etc core to establish themselves into
It could, but Bregman is three years older, more injury-prone, and has been significantly less productive at the plate than Devers over the last five seasons. It’s also worth remembering that Boston is essentially eating the remaining $33 million on Hicks’ contract.
The problem is that most of Boston’s young hitters are outfielders, which is realistically where Campbell should be as well.
Devers and Bregman are pretty similar caliber players at this point. Devers more bat value, Bregman more glove, but both ~4 WAR players.
While Bregman is older, he also will be substantially cheaper. I didnt agree with moving Devers off 3B originally, but part of the plan was to improve defense + add a RH bat to balance out the lineup.
Assuming Devers wasn’t going back to 3B, this does in theory open up DH so they can fit all their OFers . Now can play Anthony, Abreu, Rafaela, and Duran together while rotating them at OF/DH
So to be fair Bregman over Devers does have defensive/versitility upside even if losing bat value
This would be a much stronger argument if Bregman were under team control beyond this year. Presumably other teams will also be interested in a substantially cheaper 4 WAR 3B too.
Mayer has only played infield, mostly at SS. Yes, Campbell played CF – but he also played a lot of SS and 2nd. Scouts think he’ll end up just fine at 2nd. I think it’s fair to question the trade but unlike this writer, I don’t think the Red Sox saw themselves as all-in for the playoffs this year. And if they do keep this current run going, they can add talent before the deadline. As a fan, I really appreciated how Devers came through in some very big moments, but as a DH, he was overpaid. If he really wouldn’t play first, then it does seem like a good move.
>I don’t think the Red Sox saw themselves as all-in for the playoffs this year.
And they shouldn’t. This team might well squeeze into a WC, but no way are they making a deep playoff run with that roster.
Why couldn’t they make a deep playoff run? The 2023 D’backs had a negative run differential and made the World Series.
The whole point of expanding the number of playoff spots is that anything can happen if you get into the playoffs. The Marlins have never won their division. They only made the playoffs as a wildcard team twice in their first 30 seasons.They won the World Series both years. We’re literally just a year removed from a Rangers-Diamondbacks matchup where both teams were wildcard teams, the Diamondbacks were only an 84 regular season win team.
Teams know this. They also know they receive playoff revenue. Texas got an extra $39M, not counting gate or merch revenue. AZ got an extra $26M.
And of course there is the, you know, fans to consider. The same ones who are rightfully still pissed about Mookie being dealt and after adding Crochet and Bregman, were under the impression the mini rebuild was over.
And who says they need to go all in? With Devers in the lineup and Crochet on the mound, they’re favored in almost any matchup, with any team. Dobbins looks like a good enough #3. They only needed to get another 2 or 3, they’d love a Seth Lugo but on paper, even a notch below him would make them competitive in any playoff series. Surely they could at least spend the prospect capital to add Jose Soriano or Kikuchi, or Fedde or Sugano. They certainly have a chance now, but if this trade had added, instead of subtracted, their chances would be much better.
Why not? They’re top ten in both batting and pitching team WAR. Far worse teams have won the World Series.
Gonna need a citation on scouts thinking Campbell will end up “just fine” at 2B.
If Campbell ends up as effective at 2B as Devers is at 3B, that will be a massive win for the Sox.
That is absolutely not true. Campbell fell to the fourth round precisely because he was known to be terrible defensively at Georgia Tech. He reinforced that in the minor leagues, which is why he went from playing 85% of his innings at second base in his first professional season to just 36% of his innings at second base in 2024. Boston was trying to find him a position.
Go look at the top 100 prospects preseason article. I told people back then when they were so excited about him that Campbell that he was not a Major League caliber second baseman. The Red Sox threw him out there because they like his bat and just hoped for the best, but realistically, he is an outfielder or DH.
Campbell has accumulated -13 DRS in just two and a half months, which equals the absolute worst mark that Devers has ever put up at third base over an entire season.
Box score scouting, I’ve noticed they pinch run Hamilton for Campbell almost every night. Are they doing that to get Hamilton defense in late in the game? I thought Campbell was a steals threat but they’d rather Hamilton get picked off..
I think Mayer has made a very strong case for him to be the starting shortstop when Bregman comes back.
I think Campbell is going to get the rest of the year to figure out second base, and if he doesn’t show serious improvement by the end of the year he’s going to first. Assuming that Blaze Jordan doesn’t outhit him.
Someone needs to create a rolling OAA graph.
Campbell isn’t good in the OF either. I haven’t seen that he is better there than 2B.
It’s also worth remembering that Boston is essentially eating the remaining $33 million on Hicks’ contract.
That’s not necessarily all dead money. Let’s hold judgement until we’re sure he’s not the high-leverage bullpen weapon he once was.
Even in the bullpen, he was more fun than good.
Hicks has been bad for a while now. He was dominant years ago when he threw 100+, but at 97 he’s not effective, especially since his slider isn’t missing bats as much as it used to.
Even in his prime, Hicks was never truly dominant with his lack of control.
2023: 3.22 FIP (reliever)
2024: 4.37 FIP (starter)
2025: 3.58 FIP (mostly starter)
Bad for a while now? Sorry, not seeing it
Thank goodness this isn’t 2005, and we now have far better DIPS stats than FIPz
Oh sorry, I’ll use xERA
2018: 3.60 xERA (reliever)
2019: 2.39 xERA (reliever, only 28 IP)
2020: 0 IP
2021: 3.32 xERA (reliever, only 10 IP)
2022: 3.91 xERA (50/50 reliever and starter)
2023: 3.30 xERA (reliever)
2024: 4.91 xERA (starter)
2025: 3.86 xERA (mostly starter)
ZIPS ROS: 4.04 ERA, 3.92 FIP (as a starter)
Still not seeing it
Had a similar thought. Maybe Red Sox said they’d take Hicks if the Giants added Tibbs III.
Have you seen this guys pitch lately?
Bregman has been more productive than Devers this year, though. If there’s a choice between the two I’d go with Devers every time, however, and just find somebody cheaper to play competent third base.Maybe re-enter the Arenado talks.
Hicks can’t stay healthy as a SP.
Uh, I disagree. The savings from Devers will probably go to reclamation project starting pitchers without a QO. Why choose between Buehler or Giolito when they could re-sign both!
We’ll see if either guy is worth re-signing, both have shown a ton of variance.
#FinancialFlexibility
Kristian Campbell is a worse 2B than Devers has ever been at 3B!
Kid’s early in his first major league season, cut him some slack. He’s young enough, and athletic enough, to still improve a lot. With Devers, by now you know what you are (not) getting.
Campbell fell to the fourth round of the 2023 draft because everyone knew that he wasn’t good enough defensively to play the infield in the Major Leagues. He has -13 DRS after two and a half months, which equals the worst total Devers has ever put up over a full season.
There is no denying that Campbell’s play a 2nd has been well below major league quality this year to a point that it challenges the worst second base defense I have ever seen. When Bregman returns the Red Sox would be wise to give Mayer a good look at 2nd.
I would rather see Mayer get a good look at SS.
Campbell is athletic enough that he should be able to handle 2B. I think the issue has been the sox moving him around too much so he hasn’t gotten enough reps at any one position. Last year he played SS, 2B, and CF about evenly, and he also started games at RF, LF, and 3B.
This year, he has started at LF, CF, and 2B, and spent 2 weeks working out at 1B.
Maybe he’ll always be a bad defender, but the Sox should allow him the space to just learn 1 position and see how that goes.
The thing I worry about with Campbell at 2B is that he’s 6’3″. Bending is probably fairly difficult for him. In theory he should be much better as an OF but he still looks terrible. Maybe he’d improve with reps But, of course, they need Campbell to play 2B.
I just cant see him making it at 2B. In the 3 game series I saw him play there his hands were horrific – like, there are HS players at your random school down the street with better hands
Some of the most athletic players in baseball are outfielders who look hopeless in the infield. Campbell has great straight line speed, but he doesn’t bend well and he lacks lateral agility. He’s not fluid in receiving the ball or quickly transitioning to a throw. He is not an infielder at major league level.
As I said, Boston was trying to find a position that he could play adequately. They have so much talent in the outfield that they were desperate for him to stay on the infield even if scouts already knew that he couldn’t.
The missing piece here is that the Red Sox had a different front office that was under huge pressure to keep one of their homegrown stars after screwing up the last couple. They were willing to do and say all kinds of stuff to keep him.
Even if his defensive numbers were consistently worse after the extension (which is probably true but maybe not , would have to look it up to be sure) and would have changed some people’s minds it was pretty clear where this was all going. I recall a fairly unambiguous about how the Red Sox viewed Devers as a 1B / DH long term which makes me wonder why they made all those promises to him!
None of what I wrote absolves the current Red Sox management of seriously screwing this up, BTW. This group screwed this one up as bad as you can.
I don’t understand this point being made. Put aside the Cora comments or the recency of the contract, I mean at a more fundamental level, I can’t recall this being a thing before, this conversation ever taking place when a new GM is signed.
And that’s what this was, it wasn’t a different front office. It was one guy, and Bloom wasn’t the top baseball decision maker in the front office, he reported to the President and CEO, Sam Kennedy, who is still there, and still President and CEO. All other front office members are still there. Alex Cora and all board members and owners above them are still there – Kennedy reports to John Henry and Thomas Werner, the Owner and Chairmen respectively – though it’s fair to keep them out of the day-to-day.
And Alex Cora fills out the lineup card, and was obviously part of the loop with the agreement to keep him at 3B. He HAD to be. Alex Cora is still there.
Calling it a new front office is a mischaracterization. There was complete continuity besides Breslow, and Breslow had 10 months to tell Devers he wasn’t going to honor Blooms obligation, if that’s even a thing, which I don’t think it is. It’s a new GM, and no one has ever claimed any other GM had the authority to supersede agreements made by the organization. Perhaps it has been negotiated, – I know Elias had some staff provisions in his agreement – but even if this were a new front office, which it’s not, it’s not SOP that a new front office doesn’t have to honor any prior commitments or previous obligations.
I guarantee you this happens a lot. New regimes want changes–always.
Front office changes? It might be common, but I doubt it, and I know it’s not always. No one wants something, always. I know Elias did – he was kind of a package deal with Sig Mejda – they were in STL and Houston together – and Sig was his #2.
Besides comments about wanting to learn the organization, and not recalling someone coming in and cleaning house in the front office, the reason I doubt a front-office regime is common is because ambitious holdovers have an opportunity to be promoted by staying, and don’t if they follow the GM. They’re often on different contract years, and even if they do follow hop teams together, eventually most outgrow that. Andrew Freidman left the Rays in 2014 to sign with LA, and recruited Farhan Zaidi pretty hard to leave Oakland. But it took the GM role to entice him, Friedman was president of baseball operations, and that’s already pseudo inventing a role to accommodate another top front office executive.There are only so many good ones available, and they tend to be find the organization that can fit their upward career path.
It takes someone like Elias or Friedman to have the juice to get ownership to hand over the keys, and to entice someone to leave their current organization and go be blocked by the front office star who is hiring them. Elias should know, he outgrew Lunhow after hopping teams with him. And while there are probably other examples, Lunhow and Elias leaving St. Louis are the first high profile example of a package deal I can remember.
I don’t think anyone knows how much stock to put into the 3B agreement between Devers and Bloom. Clearly Devers thought he would be playing 3B at least a few more years.
I think the bigger problem was the consistent messaging over the winter that ‘Devers is our third baseman’ while they were actively looking for a replacement third baseman. The player-team communication was broken.
It’s not the same front office. For one there’s an entirely new person setting the direction of the baseball operations (Sam Kennedy does not have POBO powers, otherwise they wouldn’t have been able to hire the guys they did). They do a bunch of things differently, and there’s been some turnover in the staff as well.
I think the question of “is it the same front office or not” is a distraction. Even if everyone stayed in the same spots, the Red Sox FO would be well within its rights to move Rafael Devers off third base. It wasn’t written down anywhere, and the right to determine who plays where isn’t up to any one player. And logically makes a lot of sense that a new GM would look at the promises the last one made and say, hey, this doesn’t make any sense!
But it’s also undeniably true that the Red Sox screwed this up, and that’s the more important issue. This was covered really well in Davy’s article on this (and the comments section on it). Just because you can tell your employees to do whatever doesn’t mean it’s a good idea, especially an employee who has a ton of job protections. That’s true in any industry. Enough people doing work-to-rule will cause most organizations to crumble, as work relies on some sort of understanding between employees and management to smooth over the stuff that hasn’t been written down. Because you can’t write everything down.
Sadtrombone, it’s called plausible deniability. The CBO gets to “run” the show but he is responsible for everything that happens. A glorified patsy. Disposable. Why else do the Red Sox CBO get fired after 3-4 years and the ownership and Kennedy remain the same?
It is a classical setup for corporate organizations. However it doesn’t change the real truth of the matter. The truth the ownership is the one paying, they have final say. In the end the ownership saved over $200M and got out of the luxury tax threshold. And Breslow takes the fan hate. Rinse repeat just like they did with Bloom, with Dombrowski, with Cherington. Devers shouldn’t have ever believe any words that come out of these peoples mouths when they don’t control their own fate, and that is his fault.
Yeah sure but that’s if you want to be tyrannical. It’s a great recipe for friction. It clearly worked wonders festering the split. Oh yeah that’s right it was Kennedy who were pushing to sign Bregman…
I agree it’s irrelevant, but your point is being made that it was Bloom’s agreement, by a front office that is no longer there, and who were willing to do and say whatever it took to keep Devers, agreements that are now null and void under Breslow and the “new front office”, scare quotes because we’re not going to agree on that point.
No organization, in any industry, hires a new CEO and calls it a new Executive Management Team without replacing any of the existing members or adding any positions. I’ve been on an Executive Management Team during 3 CEO replacements as we were marketing companies to sell them.
Sure, things change under a new CEO, but operations remain largely the same… I don’t agree with the spirit of ‘it wasn’t in writing so it doesn’t count’, because that both legally and ethically untrue, and logically any employee that was made assurances would not just hope, but expect that those assurances remained, especially if the manager confirmed they did. Any employee would be well within their rights to insist that they remain, and any organization would be well within their rights to depart ways.But just about any employee with the amount of publicly available evidence would be able to bring, and win, a wrongful termination case afterwards.
But whether or not the agreement counts is also beside the point.
And a new front office isn’t the point either, it’s germane to the point, but I didn’t deny the new CEO, I said calling it a new front office was a mischaracterization. And it is, that’s not an opinion, it just is. Breslow isn’t there to micromanage his Front Office staff. They’re likely the only people that report directly to him, but he still let’s them operate their way. He could mandate things, require new analytics, new ways of scouting, add or subtract positions, add to or remove from budgets, etc. The closest he’d get to operations is something like new requirements in hiring or background checks, or new metrics to judge employee/department success, but it’s still the leaders of those units executing it – again, even they don’t get stuck in the grind of operational tasks very often, if at all.
And I’ve seen a new CEO add to the executive team, replace a CEO, add a new CMO at the behest of pissing off a long time VP of Marketing, and add a new CSCO, but I’ve never seen a CEO add staff members below the executive team level – that’s what the executives are for. So I think it’s unlikely that Breslow required any specific people to be hired, or so much as sat in on a single interview if these people did make changes to their staff, even if the directive to do so came from Breslow.
Also I’m not sure what you mean about Sam Kennedy and not being able to hire who they did. Sam Kennedy is responsible for Breslow, in much the same way that Breslow is responsible for the front office executives. From their site, Kennedy: “He oversees all aspects of the club’s operations”, and the press conference addressing the Devers trade was held by Breslow and Kennedy. A press conference where Breslow had to answer whether it was mandated to him by Kennedy. A press conference where Kennedy said:
Not only that, but Breslow wasn’t on board with signing Bregman. It was pushed through by Cora and Kennedy, which almost makes it sound like Breslow got thrown under the bus unfairly here. Here nor there, Kennedy is the person at the top, he involved, Breslow is under him, and Kennedy was there in that same role when Bloom was CBO.
That aside, it doesn’t matter, I understand the hierarchy, whether we agree or not doesn’t change much. What I didn’t understand, and was trying to, was the point you made:
I think it’s a distraction too, and of course it’s within the Red Sox rights, but it was very specifically the point you made. And my whole question was why does that matter, even if it were true? So whether I agree or concede if it’s true or accurate, the question would remain. Why does THAT matter?
In all honestly, I think I’m further away from understand that point than I was when I first asked it haha. From your last response, it now sounds like we might actually agree, but I’m not sure. Either way, my question has changed, based on Kennedy’s involvement in signing Bregman, which is the moment that any preexisting agreement with Devers became, as Kennedy put, the “inflection point.”
Now my question would be more along the lines of why are we letting the Red Sox pin this on Breslow, it’s an institutional failure, not a Bloom, Breslow, OR Devers failure. Ofc course there is too much information to know everything, but reading that Breslow wasn’t behind Bregman, it sure paints Kennedy and Cora in a questionable light, and I didn’t know I could think less of Cora. And indeed, an earlier today seems to confirm and further explore the institutional failure rather than assigning any individual blame – not hyperlinks so both the article title and URL are visible, since they don’t match:
“The Red Sox front office is fractured, according to report after Rafael Devers trade”
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/red-sox-front-office-disconnect-craig-breslow-devers-trade/
That article is just pure nonsense. One scout got pissed off because his job got cut. A single disgruntled employee.
Maybe read the article, mate?
It was one of the scouts who survived the cut, and retained his supervisory position, who said “Thanks, Bres, you fucking stiff.”
Clearly, those consultants were money well-spent by a true culture builder!
I think most teams are realistic about most (though not all) of their players’ futures but the players and their agents are not, so you kind of have to play the game of telling the guy what he wants to hear when he’s 26 and then have the conversation when he’s in his 30s about moving off the position. Juan Soto comes to mind as a recent example. David Stearns said he thought he was average in RF after signing him. I dont think David Stearns actually believes that
But the Sox decided to have that conversation at 28 and Devers decided that was enough of a breach to not play along with the game.
Hey, that Florian Wirtz transfer doesn’t pay for itself. Gotta find that $150 million somewhere!
I don’t know who that is and I refuse to learn
Is that an Arrested Development reference?
The one is was going to make (and this is incredibly specific) was if someone was hyping up a young Detroit Tigers pitcher, I was going to reply with “I don’t care for Jobe.”
Obviously, I feel mean saying that now he’s injured. Good luck with your recovery, Jackson!
PL needs to do what MLB does in Japan and allow Liverpool to play a regular-season game in Fenway at the start of the season.