Hanley Ramirez Defense Update Now!
Watching videos of Hanley Ramirez’s defense is a lot like using illegal drugs: a little bit is probably fine but too many will definitely kill you. Since taking over in left for the Red Sox this season, Ramirez has engendered strong opinions about his defensive abilities. To some, he’s horrible. Others say, no, he’s horrendous. Some others might point out that those are synonyms and the first two groups are being idiots anyway because Hanley is beyond horrendous and horrible and is, plainly, the worst. It is this third group of people who are correct.
He spent 11 seasons playing shortstop for two major-league teams. He’s an athlete. He has athlete skills. A free agent this past offseason, he explicitly wanted to come back to Boston, the team that signed him as a teenager, and to do so, he agreed to move to left field. With the exception of first base, probably, left is the least challenging of the defensive positions. Or rather, it’s not that it’s not challenging, it’s that mostly anyone who is decent enough to have played shortstop in the majors should be good at it. Should be. Except, in Hanley’s case, no. He’s not good. In fact, he’s bad. Very bad. But we don’t have to fall back on adverbs because this is FanGraphs and we have numbers!
The thing is, almost all of those numbers are big and start with a negative sign. It’s not like we’re debating the MVP here and Trout has 70,000 WAR and Cabrera has 69,999 WAR. The worst left fielder in baseball by UZR is Hanley at -15.2. The next worst is Chris Colabello at -9.1. The difference between Ramirez and Colabello is the difference between Colabello and Dalton Pompey, 13 guys up the list. Put another way, Ramirez has done as much damage to the Red Sox in left field (again, by UZR) as the second-worst left fielder and fourth-worst left fielder combined. If this were a good thing we’d say Ramirez was dominating the position, but it’s not so we can’t say that.
But those are the overall numbers. For a guy used to playing shortstop with no outfield experience, you might expect a bit of a rough start. And you got one! Ramirez started his season with a bunch of bad plays, like this one, where he gets close to the wall and simply drops a catchable fly ball. Then there’s this one where he is too busy tracking the ball and not busy enough running to where he’ll be able to catch it. And of course there’s this one, where Ramirez makes the catch and then, because he didn’t get to the place where the ball was going to land quickly enough, can’t slow down quickly enough and slams into the wall, injuring his shoulder. There is more of course, but how much do you expect me to take? And how much can I expect you to take? Oh, and all that came in the first month of the season. This prompted me in late April to tweet that Hanley is worse in left field than Manny, a thing I didn’t think was possible. For the record, Manny’s worst defensive effort by UZR was a -26.1 in 1,225 innings back in 2005. Hanley’s season, in 589.2 innings so far, is at the aforementioned -15.2. By prorated UZR, Hanley is worse.
But most of that came three months ago. So how is Ramirez doing now? Eh… not well. Outside of the numbers quoted above which show him to be significantly bad, he’s not seemed to make many leaps, other than futilely as another ball flies over his glove. I’ve gone through and picked out some plays that demonstrate Hanley’s particular kind of defensive play. I’m like the scientists in the West Wing who went into the nuclear contaminated area to fix the leaky pipes and save the town. I’ll be dead soon. Or at least comatose for a significant period of time. Say nice things about me, baseball internet. *gulp*
Here’s a play where a carom off the left field wall bounces to him, and, as he’s preparing to throw it in to the infield to hold the batter to a double, drops it. Then he stands there. Just when you think everything is alright…
My six-year-old dumps his apple juice on the floor and sits there watching it as it pours out, every last drop, onto the floor. “Limit the damage!” I try to tell him, “Pick up the cup!: But it’s no use. He just watches it. “Wow,” he probably thinks, “the mess daddy is going to have to clean up is getting bigger and bigger…” That’s Hanley. The ball falls out of his glove and, instead of thinking, “Whoops! Better grab that!” he thinks “Whoops. /scene.” I’ve seen it before in other plays he’s (not) made. He’s jogged after balls in the corner which has allowed runners who would have had to bust it to get home ahead of a throw to walk in easily. It might appear as laziness, but it seems not quite a lack of effort but a lack of understanding of what the consequences of any specific play are.
Even when Ramirez basically does his job he just doesn’t do it very well.
In this play he goes back to get a ball off the wall but the ball bounces off him and he has to bend over to pick it up. Then his throw in to the shortstop is behind second base forcing the shortstop to run away from home plate to make the catch. This creates a problem when the runner on third keeps going towards home and now the shortstop’s momentum is carrying him into center field, which is the primary reason that his throw winds up in between home plate and the on-deck circle. It’s the little things, really.
Then there’s this, the piece de resistance.
Here Hanley gets a bad read, comes in, then goes out, sloooowwwwllly and watches the ball more than runs after it, but even that doesn’t quite do it justice. Mostly he’s just moving slowly. The Angels announcer shows it best in the inflection of his call. The ball is hit well but off the bat the announcer knows it’s caught. “Robertson drives one into left…” is the first part of his call but it’s said exactly as you’d read it, unimpressed with the potential future outcome this presents for the Angels. Then, “Hanley.” That’s the first clue there’s a good outcome in the offing. Then: “…got a late start…” Well, yes. “IT’S OVER HIS HEAD!” Yep.
If you count spring training, we’re almost five months into Hanley Ramirez: Left Fielder and the Red Sox would love to be able to point to some progress. There must be something that will allow them to keep him in left field next season so they can avoid teaching him first base, another new position and one in which he’s far more able to do damage to the Red Sox’ chances. Thing is, there isn’t anything to point to, really. Any progress is minimal.
I know this point isn’t proven by looking at some GIFs and video clips. Any good defensive player can have a bad game now and again. Some even have bad seasons. Hanley Ramirez was never a good defensive player though. In fact, he’s always been bad. Perhaps it was our mistake in assuming that moving him down the defensive spectrum would fix that, that the real problem was the relative difficulty of the position he played, that if the game just eased up its demands, Ramirez would rise to the occasion, like a sinking boat suddenly rising above the waves. But it seems that wasn’t the issue at all. Ramirez is just bad, and there’s no position in baseball where you can hide that.
Awesome article! I’d love to see an equivalent done on the (hopefully) soon to end Pedro Alvarez first base experiment.
Haha good read. What a bum.
I have watched basically every sox game this season and the plays you highlighted are the ones that are burned into my memory. I was already playing these .gifs in my head before getting into the article. Well done.
He had been much better, even playable, since May 1.. until his bonehead read on a ball this week.
This is the best thing.
Manley in left has been the bane of my existence. But recently, he has become less horrible and more mediocre from the I test it seems. Yes I’m somewhat giving Hanley a compliment on his defense
No way HE’s ever gonna win a Gold Glove in CF. Heh-heh
Hanley is the kind of player that you tune in to watch play defense. Like Ozzie Smith or Ken Griffey in their prime, when you see his name penciled in the lineup you know you may be in for a treat. From the start of the game you’re looking forward to that first ball hit their way, knowing that there’s a chance for magic. Something you can tell your kids that you saw live.
kinda like Bartolo at bat…
I saw Hank Aguirre, the worst hitting pitcher ever, hit a foul pop out of play in 1959 and the crowd went wild. Now I’ve seen Hanley play LF, which is even more special. I’d pay to see Ramirez play LF.
I can’t stop watching that first GIF.
And he’s doing this while playing half his games in the smallest left field in baseball!
a) Hanley is absolutely this awful
b) LF at Fenway isn’t easy, take fan favorite Carl Crawford:
Rays 09/10: 17.6 (1282.2) 17.9 (1260.1) Red Sox: 11/12 -3.6 (1098.1) -1.9 (245.2) Dodgers: 12/13 9.1 (835.2) 4.1 (735)
Yeah, I think there’s a decent chance that the defensive metrics just don’t properly capture what the hell is happening in left field at Fenway. What’s more likely: that Crawford simply forgot how to play defense in Boston and remembered again LA, or that the various *ZR systems are improperly calibrated for the most unusual part of baseball’s most unusual park?
DRS catches it. UZR is just bad at adjusting to exceptional parks.
No, I think this misunderstands the true awfulness of the Carl Crawford in Boston experience.
Crawford “forgot” how to hit in Boston. I don’t think you came blame Fenway for that. He also “forgot” how to field in away games. You can’t blame Fenway for that.
What’s more likely: that everything other than Crawford’s home defense cratered while he was in Boston but his poor home defensive #’s were the victim of improper calibration, or that his whole game cratered?
That’s not to say that Fenway isn’t poorly measured by *ZR systems. But nothing about the rest of Carl Crawford’s stats suggest he was a particular victim of it.
(I also watched a good chunk of Red Sox games during that span, and, FWIW, to my eyes he looked bad on defense during that time as well.)
Can’t use UZR for Fenway. DRS excludes balls 10 ft or higher off the wall. UZR just uses an adjustment which does not seem to be enough.
Manny solved the problem of the wall by playing so shallow he rarely had to deal with it except to recover balls that had bounced off the wall. Lost some points for balls that could have been caught in front of the wall, and many of them which he held runners to a single because he had a quick release and accurate arm. This was offset by balls he caught shallow that would have fallen in otherwise. Hanley should try this.
The lack of foul territory and the short amount of space in LF hurt Crawford since it negated his speed and range. He simply had fewer balls to catch in Fenways LF relative to the Trop. Crawford like Hanley also putt on a great deal of weight in the offseason he was signed to improve his power numbers. He simply was not as quick as he was in the Trop
That’s impressive. It took me quite a few years to rack up that many hilarious outfield gifs.
I’m happy to say I’m better at left field in softball than a bonafide big leaguer who’s getting paid $20 mil. It’s the little victories.
No, you aren’t.
Umm yes he absolutely can be. Ramirez isn’t “bad for a major leaguer” he is BAD. I played ball in high school, DI college and still in a wood bat mens league and I am, without a doubt, a better defender than Hanley Ramirez. I’m faster, I get better reads, his arm is a bit stronger but I have abetter release.
Ramirez is a DH. He is reasonably quick but he has absolutely zero natural tracking abiity.
I promise you that there are many better fielders in wood bat leagues across the nation than Hanley Ramirez. These aren’t super humans who are better at everything. They have very specific skills. Hanley Ramirez is one of the greatest hitters in the entire world. TOp 100. As defender I can comfortably say Ramirez is not within the top several thousand. NEarly every minor league affiliate has a better defensive LF. Nearly every division one college team has a better defensive lf.
He is a disaster and he’s only going to get worse as his athleticism leaves him. He has no instincts to rely on once his foot speed evaporates he will be an unmitigated disaster.
In fact they should probably just move him to first. He obviously has hand eye coordination. He’d be a mess on plays where he had to quicklyu find the bag or make decisions to field or retreat but his mistakes would be one base mistakes. In the outfield he’s a game changer.
This is fun!
https://baseballinfosolutions.wordpress.com/2015/07/24/visualizing-the-range-of-mlbs-best-and-worst-outfielders/
If this is an “update,” it would have been helpful to know WHEN those plays from the GIFS took place. I think the first one is from mid-May so I don’t know if it is relevant to an “update.” The other 2 are from this month.
It’s remarkable how bad he is defensively he is given how good of an athlete he was in his younger years.
I’m a bit surprised how little has been said about Hanley’s sudden weight gain at 31. He came into the year much more jacked than before, and it seems to have robbed him of any athleticism he had left.
interetingly, after some powerless years, Pedroia also came.to camp this year talking about how much work he had put in to get his power back…..and he’s also seemed to suffer defensively for it.
and of course, for entirely different reasons Panda also put on a ton of weight this offseason and has been a disaster defensively as a result.
I would love to know more about the offseason testing program because I have no doubt his muscle gain was not entirely natural. Pablo OTOH simply worked out in the kitchen instead of the gym having got his guaranteed dollars.
I just remembered Crawford put on a great deal of weight (all muscle) in the offseason he was signed by the Red Sox to improve his power numbers. I wonder if the Red Sox are pushing their LF’ers to do so. It also hurt Crawfords defense/speed and made him injury prone, and did not help his power
I love the way the Sox just assumed he would slide seamlessly into LF and everything would be fine… and the progressive baseball media lapping it up was even better. I love the way the world has been turned upside down with Dayton Moore on top and Ben Cherington on the bottom. That feels good.
This is actually hilarious. Brian Sabean too actually performed his way out of “whipping boy” category.
Only the Royals now have an analytics staff just like the Red Sox do, and it was only after they developed one that they started to really improve.
The Royals play at Kauffman Stadium, a big ballpark where speed and contact hitting can play up. Those are also undervalued skills in the post-Moneyball era. So the Royals, under Dayton Moore, have exploited the new market inefficiency. And I don’t think it was totally a coincidence, either.
Wow, really pouring it on haha lol. Those GIFs were hilarious.
http://media.giphy.com/media/Dwc3NCB3feQfK/giphy.gif
I love this paragraph, mainly because it reassures me to know that my child is not the only one who just stares at the growing mess…
Hanley Ramirez MLB Network #1 preseason LF in the majors. I almost vomited in my mouth when I heard it. How did that work out?
lol wow that is mind boggling. I had totally forgotten about that.
LOL RedSox!
Playing CF for the Red Sox must be the most exhausting job in baseball
Actually, it’s Bogaerts who is the guy out there running after Hanley in the Fenway LF. No joke. That’s how bad it is.
I’ve watched a lot of Mark Trumbo playing the outfield this year, and seeing Hanley makes me feel good about the defense I’ve seen from him. Stop making me feel this way.
Whoops. /scene.
Love it.
So Hanley makes a mockery of the position adjustments, exposing the fallacy.
BTW, on that play he dropped the ball because the CF’er came over and blocked him, that was not his fault. If he completed the throw he breaks his arm. He was blocked from picking the ball up and throwing again. Thats all on the CF’er
lol the positional adjustments are not a guide for how to project players to play at different positions. Obviously an average catcher would not typically be an average shortstop. It’s about the relative scarcity of capable players. Since the pool of players who can play shortstop is smaller than those who can play LF, offense is more valuable at shortstop, since there will be fewer hitters to choose from, and consequently less overall offense at the position.
I’m going to keep beating this drum, but Hanley is a decent player at 3b, and he’s not in LF. The problem was not signing Hanley, the problem was signing Panda, who already had motivational and fitness issues in SF and whose bat did not seem likely to age well. Panda’s bat is terrible, and his defense seems likely to decline rapidly. That was a bad signing, and created a cascade effect, by forcing Hanley to the OF.
That Cherington et al won’t acknowledge this monumental fuckup (say by dumping Panda on the Angels and tossing in a few million, a deal I suspect Moreno would eat up) is just another of a litany of problems they’ve had in evaluating MLB talent (trades/free agency; they’re obviously great at identifying and developing prospects).
Dammit, that’s what I was going to say!
There was no reason at all to expect a man who had been playing on the left side of the infield for his entire life to be able to shift seamlessly to LF in Fenway Park, even before you account for the fact that Hanley genuinely doesn’t give a shit.
I can scarcely believe this man used to be a major league shortstop.
The second worst LF in baseball, as noted, is Chris Colabello. I’m a Blue Jays fan, and I literally cannot fathom anyone doing more damage in left than Colabello has in his limited innings there.
If you want to truly understand how much of a dumpster fire Hanley has been, I would recommend watching Colabello ‘highlights’ and trying to imagine a level that’s painfully below that.
To be fair to Ramirez, Colabello has played far fewer innings. I think Colabello is worse.
When I was little league, I was a terrible LF. I couldn’t get a read on the ball off the bat, I wasn’t very fast, and I couldn’t throw very far. When my coach put me at 1b/3b, I was damn good. I had decent instincts, soft hands, and an accurate arm.
It’s two different skill sets to play OF and IF. If my fat, drunk coach could see that when I was 10, why can’t the Red Sox?
yeah as fans i think we see playing outfield as easy, but its obviously not. Did the Red Sox not realize that Hanley had never actually demonstrated any skills necessary to play the outfield?
What makes Ramirez special in LF is not his lack of skills but his lack of effort. He literally has done nothing more than take fungoes with the team before games.
111 wRC+, -1 WAR. How even?
Great gif. Funny seeing the shortstop run to left field.
That second gif is a work of art and should be placed on a giant television screen in the Smithsonian and looped 24 hours a day until the end of times.
That play from Hanley’s point of view:
“Just a pop fly, I’ve got this”
“Oh man maybe not, I’ll play it off the wall”
“Guys I played that perfectly off the wal… oh dammit I dropped it”
“Well, I tried, maybe next time ¯\_(?)_/¯”
I wonder if the Red Sox would be better off giving Hanley a shovel and bucket to make sandcastles on the warning track while Bogaerts and Betts (continue to) do his job for him.
Left field in Fenway is the shortest OF throw but I have seen accomplished LFers come in and have abyssmal 3 game series. The way the stands jut out halfway bt. Third and the wall…. Corner not as nasty as RF but much trickier than your average LF. The garage doors and the eternal question of how close do I get to the wall?
It’s 100% on Cherington. Fangraphs dudd having way too much fun piling on Hanley. But that left field wall in his sabremetric kitchen with the 6 yr old juice dropper plays – gotta be tough 😉
Why don’t they put him back in the infield? You could have him at 1B, 3B or hell even SS and he would be far less harmful. Give Bogaerts or Napoli a shot in LF.
Oh my god I hope you are kidding with the “move him to 3b or even SS”…he was terrible in the IF, so you move him to left. You want them to move Boegarts to LF instead!? Hanley at 1B would be the best option; but please put down the pipe when referring to those other ideas.
He may have been terrible at SS, but it wasn’t “causing more harm than good” terrible like he is out in left. Hanley is SO bad in left field that he is a negative WAR player despite a 111 WRC+. There is nothing wrong with suggesting Hanley be moved back to the infield, but that is an off-season only move.
It isn’t crazy to think the Sox move him to 3B in the off-season with Panda moved to 1B and Napoli gone. No need to move Bogaerts anywhere, especially after he has made such huge strides defensively and there are plenty of OF on the Sox roster. The best team the Sox put on the field in 2016 would involve Hanley, XB, Pedroia, Panda L to R in the infield and some combo of Betts, Castillo, Holt, insert FA here.
Hanley is obviously more comfortable in the infield and he cannot possibly be worse at 3B than he is in LF. Will it happen? Who knows, but their best offensive and defensive team is one with Hanley in the infield. They can make it happen in the off-season though, no reason to do it in 2015.
The mistake was not that they signed him, it was that they signed Sandoval. I wanted them to sign Hanley last fall, but to play third, which he has done before on occasion and not looked completely awful doing it.
I was shocked when they signed Sandoval to play third and then added Hanley to play left. Never thought he would be as bad as he is, but it was a gamble when they did it.