Hitting and the Power of Suggestion

I was drinking a beer with Kevin Youkilis — or rather, I was drinking one of his new brewery’s beers, and he was drinking water — and we were talking about the state of the game. I think I mentioned something about chopping wood — how young players are coached (badly?) to hit down on the ball, and how that leads to a lot of swing and miss as players have to try to swing to a point in space — and he stopped me. “Nobody ever swings out to a specific point in space when they’re told to chop wood or swing down on the ball,” Youkilis said. “What actually happens is that they end up quicker to the ball.” My mind was blown.

Youkilis pointed out that he spent his whole career with that philosophy, and though one player’s strikeout rate (18.7%) and power (.197 isolated slugging percentage) don’t prove anything, it was an eye opener for me. He basically was saying that the power of suggestion might actually have some value, even if the content of that suggestion was technically wrong. And once I thought about it, I realized I’d heard a few smart hitters — including Mark Trumbo — tell me something similar before, but I hadn’t been listening right.

In any case, this is one of those testable situations with today’s tools of the trade. I asked Jason Ochart of Driveline Baseball if he could create two situations and chart the outcomes using the data collection devices for which Driveline is famous on the pitching end.

In the first situation, Ochart told his hitter to be “quick to the ball.” This is maybe not exactly the same thing as telling them to chop wood, but I didn’t complain. I don’t want him to tell his hitters something he doesn’t want to tell them, and what he did tell them still permits us to (attempt to) answer our question: is it possible to change a hitter’s swing metrics just by changing what you say to him?

In the second situation, Ochart gave his hitter the advice followed enthusiastically by modern hitters: “Get your hands to the slot first, and then swing.” A fundamentally different coaching statement.

The results were different, too. In very interesting ways.

First, a table. Ochart used his Diamond Kinetics app to measure the player’s swing by hand speed and distance in the zone. This player is a major-league baseball player.

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Swing Stats for One Hitter, Two Conditions
Condition Hand Speed Distance in Zone
Quick to Ball 24 mph 23 inches
Hands to Slot 21 mph 28 inches
SOURCE: Diamond Kinetics / Driveline Baseball
Major league hitter told to be “quick to the ball’ or “get hands to slot first” in two conditions.

For this hitter, the cue had an interesting result. Being quick to the ball was better for his bat speed, and bat speed begets power. However, he was in the zone for a shorter period, meaning that his swing was steeper and he was more likely to miss the ball. He wasn’t giving his hands as much chance to get to the ball.

Here’s what the two swings looked like, mapped by that Diamond Kinetics app. “Quick to the ball” is the green swing and “hands to slot” is in orange.

swingsquickslot

It looks like the “quick to the ball” cue compelled the batter to get his hands down to the slot faster! That might have cost him some time in the zone, though. And that missing time comes early on in the swing, when the brain may still have time to alter the path of the bat some.

The orange swing looks like it’s better for a steeper launch angle, though, and that’s something that the league’s hitters have been seeking to do more over the last year-plus. Thanks to Bill Petti, we can see that baseball’s hitter are hitting fewer balls in the 0 to -20 degree angles that produce poor outcomes. Maybe this is from more “hands to slot” coaching happening around the league, and maybe that coaching is due to analysis based on these Statcast stats.

launch_angle_fre_yr_consec-2

Now it’s time for a step back. We can’t universalize this small finding to all players, not in a direct manner. What we can probably take from this is that coaching matters, and that each of these conditions is probably better for a specific swing. In other words, there are maybe powerful guys with good launch angle who could benefit from being told to be “quick to the ball.” And maybe there other are guys with decent power but who need to lift the ball more; perhaps they’d benefit from being told to get the “hands to the slot” first.

This fact, that there’s no universal instruction for baseball development may be frustrating, but if you think about the difference from body to body, it makes sense.

Ochart himself had some thoughts along these lines. “Coaching, in many aspects, is approached as an art more than a science because the same verbal cue to a group of athletes can cause unique movement adaptations within the group,” he told me in an email. “Learning what an athlete feels has always been a critical part of coaching movement, and technology is helping us figure out exactly what’s happening and bridging the critical gap between ‘feel’ and ‘do.'”

And that’s probably the perfect way to sum this up. Yes, it’s probably not great to tell people to swing down on the ball. But if you take the kernel from that coaching, and tell them to be quick to the ball, you’ll probably be saying the right thing to at least one type of hitter. Figuring out which type of hitter needs to hear which coaching is the next step.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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Mike NMN
9 years ago

Interesting–who knew that the science of hitting might be impacted by a Jedi mind trick?

vbjd1111Member since 2019
9 years ago

One of most interesting articles I’ve read on this subject pertains to Jose Bautista, who supposedly went from nobody to great based simply on the suggestion (by teammate Vernon Wells) that he “start [his swing] as early as you can, so early that it seem ridiculous. And then start earlier than that.” Boom.

http://www.si.com/vault/2011/06/27/106081977/do-you-believe-in-jose-bautista

thepainguy
9 years ago

I worked with Mark Trumbo in 2014, and part of what helped him was to stop trying to cut the ball and try to lift it more. That let him square up balls better. I detail our conversations here: http://clients.chrisoleary.com/Hitting/Hitting-Diaries/Mark-Trumbo

cujoespo
9 years ago

My young baseball career was definitely ended too soon because I thought I was supposed to be chopping wood up there. I took the coach’s suggestions way to literally. I think it depends on who the player is. I’m definitely going to make sure my son understands swing paths and isn’t just given random cliches…

The comment by vbjd1111 also hits home. I was always told to wait on the ball, let it get deep in the zone. Now that I think about it, I was undoubtedly swinging late on everything. No one actually told me where I should be making contact with the ball.

sheesh.

Dr.Strangeglove
9 years ago

I remember reading an article where Kris Bryant’s whole philosophy is to hit every ball in the air. It’s to the point that if he’s having a slump his dad will just text him, “Hit it in the air.” Not quite the same words, but kind of the same idea (Maybe???).

My dad has been a baseball coach for 30+ years and his whole philosophy for lifting a ball was simply trying to lead your bat towards the ball with the knob of the bat (and to stay on your back foot to avoid lunging). He hates Barry Bonds but would talk endlessly about how Bonds was by far the best player at generating power solely from his balance on his back foot (which he would then always follow up with, “Well, not ALL of his power. Some of it’s coming from something else…)

Anyways similar ideas, or am I just rambling?

MGL
9 years ago

Leading with the knob, as far as I know, is not necessarily about lifting the ball, but about avoiding “casting” like in golf, which robs you of swing speed because you release the wrists too early and don’t get the proper blend of body rotation and wrist rotation to generate maximum swing speed. It may also (detrimentally) alter swing plane in a baseball swing, I don’t know.

rounders
9 years ago
Reply to  MGL

To lead with the knob is to take the shortest path to the ball. Since the hands, and the bat, begin far above the ball, we get the misunderstanding that we are to swing down at the ball. That is of course disastrous. This is instead simply the shortest path to the hitting zone. It does not leave less time in the hitting zone, it allows you to select and get to the best zone at the last possible moment. Joe Dimaggio had this figured out in 1936 but it it didn’t really catch on for fifty years.

A long swing is one where the hands are let out early in an arc, slowing the swing, which also drags through the zone since the bat head will have been dropped early. The fact that the bat stays in the zone longer by no means improves the quality of contact, quite the reverse. Bonds stared at the pitch before his first hitting motion longer than any human before or since. That was his true PED advantage, he could afford to wait. But his swing technique was also impeccable. One took advantage of the other.

Wait, rotate with knob to ball, keep rotating, the bat whips, launch. Lifting the ball is the last trick that is taught, or learned. Line drives first.

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago

Interesting stuff. Can you expand on those swing stats?

Hand speed is peak value, I’d guess. Distance in zone, is that like the length of the path traced by the sweet spot when that path is clipped by the zone pentagon-prism?

The plate is 17 inches deep. To fit a 28″ path pointing back up the middle, it has to be tilted to fit, that’s by arccos(17/28) = 53 degrees up (or down). That’s way too steep to be a major league swing. Must be defined some other way. A super-long tilted path wouldn’t be any good anyway, you’d want to measure something about path in the “hitting zone”, not the whole strike zone.

But how do you get anything as much as 28″ of that?

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago

Vocal performance and instrument playing both show this kind of effect, by the way: teachers use instructions that don’t make physical sense, but they often get the students to shift their execution in a useful way.

Barney Coolio
9 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Interesting, can you give an example of musical advice which sounds wrong but usually leads to correct execution?

JSJohnSmithAnon
9 years ago

Please don’t say that data is from a sample of two swings, because if it is it’s useless. The other thing is that a higher hand speed does not necessarily mean higher bat speed unless that’s the only variable changing.

darttalk
9 years ago

This is a salient point that anyone with real life coaching experience will quickly confirm.

jwbbslo1@gmail.com
9 years ago

#1 there is no bad cue if it elicits the response you desire.

Launch angle is changing because the metrics show us the value of a higher launch angle relative to run scoring since it produces more extra base hits. Never before have hitting coaches promoted getting the ball airborne as in today’s game.

Mechanical cues are probably not the best way to consistently get the type of result you want relative to ball flight.Ideally you create an individualized drill with a ball flight goal that forces the hitter to organize his body(mechanics)in a way that produces the desired results(Ball flight)
JW