How Necessary Are Mound Visits?
The commissioner’s office, as we know, is interested in quickening a game that continues to slow, a trend recently revisited here by Jeff Sullivan.
While the intentional walk no longer requires four actual pitches to be thrown, while limits have been placed upon the length of instant-replay decisions, and while pitch clocks might be on their way to the major leagues after having been present in the minors for a couple years, there’s been less discussion about another pace-of-play variable currently under inspection: mound visits.
Mound visits undoubtedly slow the game. Part of the problem with regulating them, however, is that we don’t know how much (if any) value they provide for the pitchers and coaches meeting in the middle of the infield. While there must certainly be occasions when they benefit a club, does that occur often enough to warrant the frequency of the meetings?
Consider an extreme case from Monday night’s game in Pittsburgh. Talented but erratic Pirates starting pitcher Tyler Glasnow was having a rough go of it in his first start of the the season.
After he issued back-to-back walks to load the bases in the first, Ray Searage did what has been done for as long as there have been pitching coaches and struggling pitchers. He went out to have a word, to press pause, to change focus, to hopefully hit a sort of reset button with Glasnow.
Searage appeared to implore Glasnow to “Go after these guys.”
It didn’t work.
Command has always been an issue for Glasnow, and it — along with his ability to control the run game — are the road blocks in his path in becoming an effective major-league starter.
Glasnow’s wildness persisted, as he walked the following two batters to force in two runs. Mercifully, he was able to get Scooter Gennett to ground out on a 2-2 pitch (allowing a third run). Tucker Barnhart inexplicably swung at a first pitch to end the inning.
Glasnow’s troubles continued in the second inning.
Four of the first five Reds to bat singled, as the Reds’ advantage grew to five runs. Then an unusual thing occurred — one that I don’t recall ever witnessing while serving as a Pirates beat writer. Pirates manager Clint Hurdle normally only rises from the dugout to remove a pitcher form a game or to argue a call. But in this case he waved off his infield, a signal that there would be no pitching change.
He wanted a one-one-talk with Glasnow. And since it was such a rare type of meeting, Hurdle must have thought it was important that he could perhaps be a positive influence ….
Searage has said his key attribute as a pitching coach is empathy. He rarely if ever scolds a pitcher or loses patience. Perhaps, in this case, Hurdle was more direct. Hurdle was brief when asked about the nature of the chat after the game.
“I just needed to speak to him,” Hurdle told reporters. “We just needed to have a chat. What we’re looking for. Short and simple.”
I’m not aware of any studies on the effects of mound visits. If there are, please share! While there are no halftime speeches in baseball or fiery timeout huddles, perhaps mound visits are something of an equivalent. And perhaps that’s a sufficient argument not to curtail them. A study of California high school basketball teams, for example, found that more “unpleasant” half-time talks lead to better second-half performance.
“Unpleasantness does lead to success in the second half,” University of Victoria professor Richard Wolfe said.
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Wolfe says the cliched “inspiring speech” is an aspect of organizational dynamics often overlooked by teams, but it is important.
So perhaps there is some value to mound visits. In the Pirates’ case, however, the second visit did not help, either: Glasnow walked the following batter, Eugenio Suarez. In his brief 25-inning career, Glasnow hasnow walked 15.1% of batter he has faced.
Hurdle then again rose from the dugout. Glasnow’s day was done. He had walked five and required three visits in 1.2 innings. Perhaps no words or meeting could helped on this day.
It was just one game and just a few mound visits. The above GIFs are simply anecdotal evidence.
Many want to believe in the significance of the words that managers and coaches utter in these moments — or during halftime or time-out huddles. Coaches are hired in part because they are supposed to be able to motivate and inspire. As a writer, I’d like to believe words matter.
We like to build narratives around fiery, motivational speeches and pep talks, including those stories written of Game Seven of the World Series. It was suggested that perhaps Jason Heyward’s rain-delay talk had some effect on the outcome. It makes a nice story. But we have no idea if it matters or how much it matters. Perhaps the most successful North American pro coach of our time in any sport, Bill Belichick, is rarely emotional or impassioned in such addresses,
according to NESN’s Mike Cole.
Perhaps pep talks are most effective between innings or rain delays, or during halftime in other sports, when there’s more time to find the right message to address an issue.
What we do know, however, is that teams are becoming more interested in sports psychology. We can understand why when we see a player like Glasnow clearly fighting himself perhaps as much mentally as physically Monday. The South Carolina Gamecocks had a sports psychologist, Dr. Ron Casper, in the dugout when the team advanced to three straight College World Series from 2010 to -12. Perhaps there’s something there in helping players through real-time struggles that can be learned from and implemented.
But it’s tough to know how much can be corrected during a mound visit. After all, as Belichick believes, most battles are won before they are fought. I suspect in the middle of the inning it’s tough for a pitcher having mechanical issues to quickly get back on track regardless of what is said. Perhaps the visits are even counterproductive at times, as they only magnify the issue and the moment. Perhaps everyone would be better off with fewer of them.
A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.
Another outstanding think piece Travis. If psychology matters enough to be medicated and counseled then in-game adjustments to psychology must matter too. (Not for Glasnow this time, though.) “Coaching visit” appears on MLB.com’s Game Day and ESPN’s tracker but not sure if these are stored? Or if they appear in pitching logs? Would be and interesting pre/post analysis.
I’ve never understood why there isn’t a limit on catcher visits to the mound. Coaches are limited to one visit per pitcher, per inning. Catchers, though, can visit with pitchers as frequently as they like (admittedly, umpires will try to hurry them along if they take too long or are doing it repeatedly).
What is the limit on getting crossed up for one game? Sometimes you need to change the signs. It is part of the game. It doesn’t make sense to limit visits – that doesn’t mean it won’t happen though.
Full disclosure – lifetime catcher, so I could be biased, but I believe 100% they can help. Even the pros aren’t immune to being human. Rick Ankiel, Brad Lidge, even Greinke have shown us that the human aspect can mean more than the physical aect. 50,000 screaming fans. 22 year old kid that can’t see straight. Seams are falling apart. The game is moving 200 MPH. Nothing is working. Sweat dripping into your eyes and heart leaping out of your chest. I’ve had a pitcher thank me for walking out in semi-pro ball with all of 100 fans watching. And sometimes you fix the issue entirely – you’re short-arming your curve, you’re tipping your slider, your windup has sped up and now you can’t spot your fastball because your shoulder is throwing open, you aren’t finishing your delivery, etc.
Now that said, I played in the Mexican league for a few years. I found myself pitching one season. Our manager, Cruz, didn’t speak English. Normally coach Fernando would come visit me on the mound. But one day Cruz came out – he only came out to talk to me once the entire season. He told me in a very broken accent “Matt, throw fucking harder!” And he walked away. That visit didn’t help! I was throwing as hard as I could! But I will always remember it very fondly!
So outside of Cruz in the Mexican league, I think mound visits are vital!
Great contribution! Did you every get to play against Kenny Powers?
Help who? the pitcher? I’m sure it does. But it slows down the game. Why can’t there be no mound visits? Why can’t the pressure and how a pitcher handles it be part of the game? Tennis has it right with no coach involvement during the match. Imagine if in tennis the coach could make unlimited court visits.
You are obviously a bigger tennis fan than a baseball fan. You are correct in pointing out how similar the two sports are though! Don’t forget to make a correlation between NASCAR and baseball – no coach slowdowns whatsoever.
They are necessary to give your relief corps time to warm up.
My favorite mound visit story came from Mark Grace. It was opening day, and the Cubs were (I think) visiting the Reds. Rick Sutcliffe gave up back to back to back homers to start the season, they set off fireworks after each one, the smoke was thick, and the pitcher was furious. The pitching coach or manager came out, and after hearing a tirade from Sutcliffe about where exactly said coach’s posterior belonged, he said something like, “Easy, Rick, I’m not taking you out. I’m just giving the fireworks guy a chance to reload!”
Grace: One day Rick Sutcliffe gave up back-to-back home runs in Cincinnati. And in Cincinnati, they shoot off fireworks after a Red hits a home run. And Sutcliffe was pretty intense on the day he pitched. So Eric Davis takes him deep and Paul O’Neill takes him deep right after that. So Sutcliffe is all pissed off, and Billy Connors comes out to the mound and Sutcliffe yells at him, “I know I gave up f—ing back-to-back home runs and get your f—ing ass back in the dugout and tell Zimmer to f—ing settle down there, too.”
Billy looks at him and says, “I know you have everything under control, Rick. I just wanted to give that guy running the fireworks a little time to reload.” I blew a snot bubble on the mound I was laughing so hard.
http://www.espn.com/page2/s/questions/grace.html
Mound visits can help. You are not going to “fix” anything, but sometimes the pitcher just needs to stop for a minute to collect himself. When things are going bad – you are not thinking clearly, breathing, etc. Panic leads to rushing which makes everything worse. I used to coach and the best visit that I could do would get a smile out of the pitcher. if I could make them laugh, then some of those problems just got a bit more distant. Quite the opposite of the fiery pep talk!
There is also the occasion where you have a critical game situation and it is good to ensure that all infielders & the pitcher are on the same page.
The idea that mound visits are slowing down the game is absurd. Who are these people “analyzing” the game? Have you seen the replay process?
Sit around for 20-30 seconds for every close play and every slide at second, decide if you want to challenge… initiate obscure replay process carried out by anonymous persons in New York. Umpires take off headset and make a hand gesture, then the coach on the short end of the review comes out for clarification. 3/4 minutes later (hopefully), the call on the field is confirmed or inexplicably reversed, then the game resumes… if there is not a new challenge based on the result of the previous challenge. We all know where the problem is, but MLB doesn’t really want to accept it. I find it sickening that MLB is trying to re-engineer the game around the replay.
It’s absurd that someone believes mound visits do not slow down a game. Handling the pressure should be part of it. Replay is separate issue slowing the game down.
We could just flip a coin to decide the winner and cut out all of the bullshit!
I sympathize with Glasnow. Getting your ass chewed like that in front of 30,000 people can either tighten you up or push you over the hump. This guy looks so tight he’s about to break.
Searage must be pretty great, look at the way Cervelli is gazing at him in that first video!
Great article as always Travis. One quick nitpick: “He went out to have a word, to press pause, to change focus, to hopefully hit a sort of resent button with Glasnow.” I believe that should be “reset”.
> found that more “unpleasant” half-time talks lead to better second-half performance.
Better than what? How do they avoid the bias that unpleasant talks are given to teams that have talent and underperformed? They then probably play at their talent level in the second half. But you chewed them out, so you think you did it.
I don’t have a problem with mound visits. In a way, I find it interesting to see them even if I don’t know what is going on there.
However, suppose they do have a real effect. If it is important to speed up the pace of games-and I stress “IF-then cut them down. The fact that they help the pitcher does not mean they should continue. Lots of things might be able to help the pitcher-a few practice tosses, a drink of water, any number of things-but that is no reason to allow them at the expense of fans enjoying the game.
Part of the talent and skill of the athlete is performing under pressure, preparing for each incident in a game, working out of difficulties and so on. If a pitcher needs coaching or support while in the game, then he may be lacking that particular skill, just as he may not have a good enough fastball or command. Let his performance in the game weed him out.
Not at all. One of my four pillars to improve the game. Manager stays in dugout, batter stays in the box, pitcher pitches when ump motions and rule book strike zone.
If we’re being honest here, the best way to speed up the game is to get rid of innings 1-6. Not enough drama there and it quickens the pace tenfold!
Sarcasm aside, I mean to point out how absurd this irrational and data-less obsession MLB has with pace of play. Mound visits are for health as well as strategy, even if they don’t work always. They add to fan drama, too, in terms of a buildup of suspense, as they’re usually in pivotal moments in the game.
Nice piece Travis. This reminds me of the 2014 Postseason, when Hunter Pence was known for his fiery pre-game speeches. Many credited him for helping keep the Giants focused that year – I wonder if that would have a similar impact to the half-time speech.
Can’t help but wonder whether the “unpleasant halftime talks lead to better second half-performance” is a regression fallacy. I assume that more unpleasant talks occur when teams underperform in the first half. If they simply regress to mean performance in the second half coaches can claim that the unpleasant halftime address “worked.”