How the Mariners’ Request for Public Funding Is Different

Back in May, the Mariners agreed to a lease deal that would keep them in Safeco Field for another 25 years. At the time, I wrote that the Mariners appeared to be bucking a trend by foregoing public money for a new stadium in favor of staying where they were.

Then, last week, things seemed to change.

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Predictably, this was not well received.

https://twitter.com/StelliniTweets/status/1022286443694182402

Generally speaking, public financing for stadiums is a losing proposition for local municipalities. But all that is gold does not glitter, not all who wander are lost, and not all public funding for stadia is created equal. Here, it’s important to note that the Mariners’ demand for public funding isn’t actually new: in fact, it’s part of the proposed lease contract that was originally agreed to back in May. As Tim Cantu, an attorney, correctly noted for Lookout Landing,

The Mariners aren’t making a last-minute demand for new money here; they’re asking that the County pay what the County said it would pay as a condition of the Mariners signing a new lease.

The number wasn’t arbitrary, either; it was based on this comprehensive capital needs study conducted by an independent third party firm, Populous, contracted to look at what maintenance and improvements Safeco Field would need moving forward. (Remember that we talked about that study back in June.) And while some of the issues identified in the study were of dubious merit – a brewpub and beer garden, for instance – others are much more realistic. The capital study identified emergency systems, HVAC and plumbing systems, and other major systems as in need of update or repair; in fact, of the capital needs identified by the study, more than half (52%) were allocated to infrastructure, architecture, and building systems. That’s things like membrane roofs and expansion joints, which the study notes have already exceeded their planned 25-year lifespan; peeling paint in concession stands, posing a hazard to food preparation; missing grout in toilets; loose concrete causing water damage; and even water leakage into food preparation areas. The report also noted that the retractable roof is currently operated using software dated from 1999, support for which is being discontinued. Obviously, these are more than cosmetic defects.

The Mariners remain intent on contributing the majority of funds necessary to pay for the capital improvements, as Mike Rosenberg wrote for the Seattle Times:

A third-party study the Mariners helped commission said the team needs $385 million in capital projects over the next 25 years to keep the stadium in its current condition. That includes work on the retractable roof, elevators, escalators, HVAC and electrical systems. The public funding would cover $180 million of that cost, and the club would contribute $205 million.

Separately, the team is planning over the next quarter-century to pay for $180 million in various upgrades to modernize the stadium, and another $250 million for day-to-day maintenance and upkeep.

And it’s also worth noting that the Mariners’ demand for public funding isn’t exactly a threat along the lines of what the Diamondbacks did with Chase Field. Once again, per Rosenberg:

The team’s lease expires at the end of this year. But that doesn’t mean the Mariners would leave if the public funding is rejected.

If the county rejects the funding plan, the team would sign a short-term extension of up to five years to ensure the team continues to play at Safeco and then go back to the drawing board to figure out a different long-term lease structure, Rivera said.

“We are not moving from Seattle,” Rivera said. “That’s not in our plans.”

We should also keep in mind that, legally speaking at least, there is at least some argument that King County is required to pay a portion of the capital investments. Typically, even commercial leases make structural problems the landlord’s responsibility, meaning King County does owe a legal duty to pay some amount necessary to fix the structural problems in Safeco Field.

So what happened here? According to Josh Kelety of Seattle Weekly, it seems that due to an oversight by someone’s lawyers, the exact terms of the amount King County would pay, despite being discussed and confirmed by email, never made it into the final lease agreement.

But according to emails between representatives from both the PFD and the Mariners obtained by Seattle Weekly through a public-records request, the team was explicit about its position that receiving the $180 million from taxpayers was part of the deal even though it was not specifically spelled out in the language of the lease’s contract. “As confirmed and set forth in prior communications with the PFD’s lease negotiation team, final lease agreement is conditioned on King County’s approval of an allocation of a portion of the county’s lodging tax revenues,” wrote Fred Rivera, Seattle Mariners executive vice president and general counsel, in an early June email to PFD board member Virginia Anderson.

If that’s true, King County is on the hook. A binding contract consists of an offer and acceptance of that offer, plus consideration (something of value) paid in exchange for performance of the contract by the other party. In a lease, your rent is consideration paid in exchange for the landlord giving you a right of possession in real property. Here, King County evidently made an offer, and the Mariners accepted it with an agreement to pay rent (consideration). That’s a contract! So it’s not really the Mariners’ fault here. They’re still bucking a trend – they’re not demanding public money to build a new stadium, they just want their landlord to do what commercial landlords are generally supposed to do in long-term leases.

Yet the idea of spending taxpayer money to maintain a building for a tenant with a current valuation at nearly $1.5 billion and $288 million in annual revenue understandably doesn’t sit well with Seattle residents. Many argue that the money, which would come from motel-hotel taxes, would be better spent on the construction and upkeep of badly needed public housing. But given this particular fact scenario, the question isn’t whether the Mariners are a villain for demanding their landlord pay for certain things in a property they have no plans on leaving. Instead, the question is, if you’re opposed to public financing for stadia under even these circumstances, whether governments should be in the sports venue landlord business at all.





Sheryl Ring is a litigation attorney and General Counsel at Open Communities, a non-profit legal aid agency in the Chicago suburbs. You can reach her on twitter at @Ring_Sheryl. The opinions expressed here are solely the author's. This post is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended as legal advice.

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NathanMember since 2018
8 years ago

This is a great article. Really enjoy the work you do on the site!

Jonathan Vander LugtMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Nathan

Agreed! I always appreciate the legal perspective and clear writing Sheryl provides.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Nathan

I agree. Sheryl is a great addition to the site. I was sceptical at first and thought that she would run out of topics after the labour fight in the winter was over but there are still a lot of interesting topics out there.

misterjohnnyMember since 2016
8 years ago

The “rent” that the Mariners pay just goes to pay for maintenance and capital. This is not a typical commercial lease, where the landowner, you know, MAKES MONEY. No money ever gets into the general fund. It may not be as bad as Chase Field, but it is business as usual.

AKA22
8 years ago
Reply to  misterjohnny

Exactly. I don’t know how you can write this article without mentioning that the team pays next to nothing in rent compared to a normal tenant/landlord relationship. Cities “own” stadiums because teams refuse to own them in order to get around paying property taxes.

CliffH
8 years ago
Reply to  misterjohnny

Does the city make money from other people who rent the stadium?

dirtbag
8 years ago
Reply to  CliffH

Pearl Jam is playing there two nights in August. Foo Fighters play there in September.

Yirmiyahu
8 years ago
Reply to  dirtbag

I doubt the bands are trying to get the county to pay for their PA equipment.

vbjd1111Member since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

Nor do the Ms try to get the county to pay for their bats, balls, uniforms.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
8 years ago

So King County is a slumlord now?

deadpool
8 years ago

A lease is a land contract, so like goods and services contracts for over a year it has to be in writing, correct? Am I missing something here?

Chris KMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  deadpool

Yep. The extension is for a 25-year term and is covered by the Statute of Frauds. But it looks like it hasn’t been executed yet. They’ve only entered into a term sheet.

CliffH
8 years ago
Reply to  deadpool

They haven’t signed it yet, right?

deadpool
8 years ago
Reply to  CliffH

My point was that any verbal or even emailed agreement wouldn’t be enforceable yet. The article implied that should things get nasty, there’s a legal advantage to the city having promised the improvements, but that’s all it is since there can’t be a constructive agreement here, and promises are unenforceable without reliance.

I’m specifically talking about the part were she says that since there’s an offer and acceptance with consideration then there’s a contract, which isn’t true here, because SOF.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  deadpool

Emails are generally considered to be “writings”

TheomyheroMember since 2025
8 years ago

Anyone find it ironic that teams are asking for money for their stadiums while their attendance is fading?

Bobby Ayala
8 years ago
Reply to  Theomyhero

Mariners attendance is up by about 2500 per game over 2017, according to Baseball Reference.

Llewdor
8 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Ayala

Finally putting an adequate team of the field will do that.

TheomyheroMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Ayala

I guess I should clarify that it’s a trend I see overall. Perhaps the attendance trend will change in baseball, but I thought it pertinent to the discussion since stadiums tend to be long term investments expected to reap rewards for their cities beyond the years that the teams are competitive. The Mariner situation is a little different however, as explained by article.

DismalNitch
8 years ago

Just so long as no potential buyers from Oklahoma City swoop in, promising good-faith efforts to keep the team in Seattle.

Bobby Ayala
8 years ago
Reply to  DismalNitch

Too soon…

OddBall Herrera
8 years ago

Still bewilders me that harvesting random tweets about a subject to demonstrate a point is an accepted method of journalism. I don’t know who those people are and I don’t know why their abbreviated hot takes are relevant to me, and it’s weird to see something that’s so anecdotal in nature being used to make a case on fangraphs.

The rest of the article is well put, and it’s amusing that a Seattle city administration that hasn’t met a boondoggle it isn’t willing to throw money at would be outraged at the Mariners’ requests for funds for stadium upkeep. Though at least in this case I’m on their side – if the Mariners are pocketing the profits they should be paying their own way.

Bobby Ayala
8 years ago

This story made headlines in every major local publication– I appreciate the summary and clarity here. I’ve had issues with more than a few of Sheryl’s stories but I thought this was enlightening.

OddBall Herrera
8 years ago
Reply to  Bobby Ayala

Oh I agree, it’s interesting and Sheryl always is dependable about putting a measured view on things, instead of what you’d find from some sports writers who basically just want to find the party making money and declare that as prima facie proof that they’re in the wrong.

Feel free to ignore my grousing about Twitter, I may be in my mid 30’s but I will happily go full 70 year old grump when it comes to social networking.

Walter
8 years ago

Two notes:

1) I do think you mean, anti-social networking.

2) I’m shocked you don’t care more about what ACME Rocket has to say on the matter!

JoserMember since 2021
8 years ago

Look, I have an extreme dislike of social media (it’s only a slight exaggeration to say my opinion of someone as a human being varies in direct inverse proportion to how much they use twitter) but I don’t think this is unacceptable journalistic practice. I would argue it’s only unfamiliar.

Consider: you’re reading this same piece in a newspaper, say the Seattle Times. Somewhere in the middle there’s this paragraph

Predictably, this was not well received. Aaron Bregel, a season ticket holder, said, ” I do not think the Mariners need $180 million in public funding. The President and CEO talks about how great Safeco Field is. Find the money in new naming rights and sign the long-term lease.”

You wouldn’t think twice about that. The reporter sourced a quote and included it in the article. You might wonder who Aaron Bregel was and how the reporter found him, or if his words were quoted completely and correctly, but probably not. And if you did, you would be just left to wonder.

Now here we have exactly the same situation, except if you wonder who Aaron Bregel is you actually have a link to follow; if you care to look through his twitter history you have more information about whether you should consider him a reliable quote about anything or a representative sample of Mariners season ticket holders. You can even reach out to him on twitter if that’s what you want. And we know his words were quoted correctly, because he was the one writing them.

This is actually better that what old-school journalism used to give you. It just looks weird because we’re not (yet) used to embedded tweets being included in news reporting (though in the current climate, you better get used to that quick because for certain organizations, tweets are rapidly replacing press releases as the way official policy is getting announced.)

davemascera
8 years ago
Reply to  Joser

The problem is that pulling people off the streets or from in front of the stadium rids you of that whole “vocal minority” bias thing.

Twitter users tend to have extreme opinions on either end of the political spectrum compared to the average person when questioned. They are also significantly more negative on average, SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to talk about politics unprovoked, and their opinions don’t tend to match, on average, those of the general public (when surveyed) particularly often.

I think traditional reporting methods might get you more of a moderate distribution of opinions is all.

vbjd1111Member since 2019
8 years ago

The City is not part of the equation; Safeco is run by King County (actually a public facilities district owns and runs the property).

tb.25
8 years ago

“Yet the idea of spending taxpayer money to maintain a building for a tenant with a current valuation at nearly $1.5 billion and $288 million in annual revenue understandably doesn’t sit well with Seattle residents.”

Or, in this case, the click-bait driven, twisted title of the articles floating around make residents think it’s something it isn’t, upsetting those residents.

lavoiebaMember since 2016
8 years ago

I’m not so sure King County is “on the hook” here. Commercial leases typically contain a merger clause (i.e., a declaration that the subject lease is the complete and final understanding between the parties). So even if the county and the team agreed upon a set of terms via email or in a term sheet or letter of intent (which are usually explicitly non-binding), the lease controls.

Jetsy Extrano
8 years ago
Reply to  lavoieba

Now this sounds like fun lawyer stuff I’d like to hear more about from Sheryl.

catzdogz
8 years ago
Reply to  lavoieba

Which is exactly why the team isn’t signing anything until the city legally agrees to the (perceived) agreement

JT LancerMember since 2018
8 years ago

Taxpayer funding for stadiums is never justified. Its little more than corporate welfare,

Barry Cuda
8 years ago
Reply to  JT Lancer

All of the studies on that topic that I am aware of involve the construction of new facilities – or the reconstruction – of existing facilities.

This is a different situation – the construction is done, the stadium exists, and while the economic benefits obtained may not have justified the construction cost, the construction is a sunk cost.

The economic analysis now involves comparing the incremental expenditures proposed with the maintenance of the economic benefits. Along with any liabilities or losses that might accrue if the stadium is not maintained.

That is a question that I haven’t seen addressed in any of the public financing studies, and in all situations will be case-specific.

ryanredsox
8 years ago

Crony Capitalism is the worst

babaloo
8 years ago

I’ve been always fascinated that no matter the economic or political system, from Brasil to Russia to England to Qatar; federal, state or local level, stadiums get public money and the political elites seem to profit (Bush with the Rangers, Lulu in Brasil, to give two different political sides).

Stew
8 years ago

Sheryl, thank you for the balanced reporting here. Well put.

curlinMember since 2016
8 years ago

I don’t understand the argument here. The legal technicalities as to whether or not the city did or did not legally agree to these terms misses the point as to why any of us are outraged. We’re outraged that somehow the taxpayer is expected to pay at least $180M to maintain a building in which we will be receiving only $55M in rent over that same 25 years. That is a sham. This whole deal is a sham. Whether our incompetent city leaders did or did not technically agree to it isn’t really the point.

vbjd1111Member since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  curlin

Did you read the article? It appears you did not. The “taxpayer” (actually, those who occupy hotels as the funds come from the hotel/motel tax) pay $180M; the Mariners pay way more than that:

“A third-party study the Mariners helped commission said the team needs $385 million in capital projects over the next 25 years to keep the stadium in its current condition. That includes work on the retractable roof, elevators, escalators, HVAC and electrical systems. The public funding would cover $180 million of that cost, and the club would contribute $205 million.

Separately, the team is planning over the next quarter-century to pay for $180 million in various upgrades to modernize the stadium, and another $250 million for day-to-day maintenance and upkeep.”

So the team pays $205M+$180M+$250M+rent. The “sham” is that these facts are not being reported by the media. Easy to be outraged when you only have part of the story.

vbjd1111Member since 2019
8 years ago

Sheryl, best analysis I have seen to date of the issue. Well done.
There is no right and wrong on who bears the costs of the maintenance, and reasonable minds can differ. Commercial practice only offers a partial comparison and other cities each have their own political and economic considerations. Here, the parties negotiated a deal (poorly documented, apparently) where the Mariners pay more than half of what would be considered long term maintenance and upkeep — that’s a pretty good deal for a normal landlord.

Careless
8 years ago

“Find the money in new naming rights”

They last sold the naming rights for $36 million over 20 years. So they’d need something like $240 million over 20 years to make up $180 spent more or less now.