How to Solve a Problem Like the Diamondbacks
Despite internally high hopes after some notable acquisitions over the winter, the Diamondbacks season has simply been an unmitigated disaster. As we head towards September, they have a 51-73 record, second-worst in the National League, and they’ve played every bit as poorly as their record indicates; they also have baseball’s second-worst run differential (-129) and third-worst BaseRuns expected run differential (-138). Basically every single thing that could have gone wrong did go wrong, and instead of becoming a contender, the team has fallen apart.
The lousy results might end up costing many of the high-ranking front office personnel their jobs. The team has yet to exercise their 2017 options on GM Dave Stewart or AGM De Jon Watson. Tony LaRussa’s contract also expires at the end of the year, and reports suggest that the team is considering another front office overhaul. Unsurprisingly, Stewart and LaRussa feel that they deserve more than just two years on the job and don’t think basing an evaluation of their job performance on the team’s 2016 record is fair.
“We had one good year, and if you look at what’s happened on the field this year, then one bad year,” Stewart said. “I think we deserve a tiebreaker.”
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“I think our group has earned the benefit of the doubt,” La Russa told USA TODAY Sports, “but it’s their decision. The way I look at it, if you get an opportunity, you don’t complain about the length of the opportunity. So I don’t complain about that.
“This is a game based on results. There was good improvement in ’15, and in ’16, was the opposite of that. It’s disappointing. We’re all upset about it.
“If somebody in charge is upset enough, they’ll make a change.”
In a rare case of agreement, I’m actually with LaRussa and Stewart on the idea that they shouldn’t be fired simply because the team performed badly in 2016. The results of one season, whether positive or negative, don’t provide enough information about the quality of the decisions made, and especially not the quality of the decision makers.
But I think the Diamondbacks should clean house anyway.
If there’s one underlying theme in most of the analysis and commentary we publish here, it’s that good processes lead to good decisions more often than not, and we’re generally better off judging the quality of a decision by the information available at the time rather than using hindsight to try and guess whether a person accurately predicted the future. To Stewart and LaRussa’s point, this wasn’t an obviously foreseeable result of the 2016 Diamondbacks season.
Back in March, when I was defending our projections against Stewart’s claims of bias, our calculations had the Diamondbacks as a 78-win team, and I noted that I’d probably take the over on that, eyeballing them as about an 80-or-81-win team myself. It would be hypocritical for me to pretend that we called the D’Backs collapse. If the D’Backs do finish at 67-95, which is what they’re on pace for, that would mean our preseason projections would have missed their record by 11 wins; that’s hardly the kind of difference that we use as an example of the accuracy of our forecasts.
Arizona’s season has been undone in large part by a bunch of results that simply shouldn’t have been rationally expected. There was no reason to believe Shelby Miller was going to go from a solid innings-eater to one of the worst pitchers in baseball. There was no reason to expect A.J. Pollock would miss most of the season, or that David Peralta would miss most of it, and struggle to hit when he was able to take the field. There was no reason to think that Patrick Corbin was going to inexplicably lose his command and get demoted to the bullpen.
So yeah, holding LaRussa and Stewart responsible for the team losing 90 to 95 games seems a bit unfair. They were relying on some good players with solid track records, and those guys either got hurt or played significantly worse than could have been reasonably expected. Our preseason forecasts expected the Diamondbacks to get something like +10 WAR from Pollock, Peralta, Miller, and Corbin; instead, that quartet has given them +0.1 WAR if you judge their pitchers by FIP, -2.3 WAR if you judge them by runs allowed. Few teams in baseball could overcome a 10 to 12 WAR deficit from a group of their core players.
But saying that this front office shouldn’t be fired because of the team’s current record isn’t the same as endorsing the group to remain in place beyond this season. Holding the team’s failure this season against them isn’t fair, but the team’s processes over the last few years suggest that this group probably shouldn’t be trusted to get the team back on track.
The Shelby Miller deal is the one everyone talks about first, of course, because it was the single-worst transaction any team made last year, and maybe the worst in recent history. But this front office’s history of questionable decisions long predates the Miller trade.
17 months ago, I wrote about a piece entitled “The Case of the Curious Diamondbacks”, noting that while they were really an island unto themselves when it came to many of their evaluations since LaRussa and Stewart were put in charge of the baseball operations department.
There was the “Peter O’Brien is a catcher” situation, which led to the team ardently defending the idea that a guy that no one else in baseball thought could stick behind the plate would be able to carry the load as a full-time catcher in 2015; the team finally had to relent and give up on the idea after O’Brien developed the yips in Spring Training, and then spent the next couple of years vacillating between making him an outfielder or continuing with the catching experiment.
At the same time, the team was trying to convert a defensively challenged outfielder into a third baseman, since they gave Yasmany Tomas $68 million but didn’t really have a spot for him to play at the time. The team stuck with that experiment for 30 games at the big league level before they admitted that he couldn’t play third base at an acceptable level, and moved him to the outfield full-time, where they’ve now seen that he can’t play defense out there either. The Tomas signing seemed a reasonable price at the time, though as a one-dimensional slugger without any defensive skills, he’s not a great fit for an NL ballclub, and he’s turned out worse than expected.
So when Stewart and LaRussa decided to include Ender Inciarte as just one piece in the Miller deal, it was very hard to not see a pattern; this looks like a front office that either doesn’t value defense or doesn’t know how to evaluate it. That’s a real problem, and the team’s atrocious fielding has been one of the keys to the team’s downfalls in 2016. The fact that they saw swapping Inciarte for Miller as a dramatic improvement for the big league roster remains a significant red flag about how the front office’s ability to value different skillsets.
Then there was the Yoan Lopez debacle. The team’s decision to spend $8 million to sign Lopez — a mediocre pitching prospect who had uneven reports even then — also triggered an $8 million tax for exceeding their international bonus pool allocation. Plenty of teams have blown their bonus pool out of the water to land top talent as part of a long-term strategy to game the international signing system, but this wasn’t that; this was a team getting overly excited about one player and paying an insane cost to land him.
The cost of that signing may have been even higher than the simple $16 million in payments required to bring Lopez in, in fact. Six months later, the team essentially sold 2014 first-round selection Touki Toussaint to the Braves in exchange for $10 million in salary relief. Industry speculation has long tied the two events together, suggesting the team was forced to make a cost-savings deal because of the Lopez signing. If viewed together, the idea of paying an an extra $6 million to effectively exchange Toussaint for Lopez, plus take on the international signing restrictions that came from signing Lopez, call into question the team’s ability to properly value their own assets.
On their own, these issues could be waved away, especially if there was an obvious strength that this group brought to the table, but the collective pattern shows that the Diamondbacks current front office simply doesn’t value baseball players the same way the rest of baseball does, and they’ve yet to show that their valuations are regularly more correct than the rest of the league. Sure, they’ve got Jean Segura as a feather in their cap after he’s run a .360 BABIP to reestablish himself as a big leaguer, but by and large, the limbs they’ve gone out on have broken underneath their weight.
This Diamondbacks front office has essentially set themselves up as something like renegades relative to the current trends in MLB. There’s nothing wrong with zigging when everyone else zags if you’ve actually got some interesting ideas and can find ways to exploit deficiencies in the market. But, realistically, what competitive advantage should the Diamondbacks believe that their current front office has been trying to exploit by going against baseball consensus the last few years?
The idea that defense isn’t important? That’s been proven wrong. That evaluating pitchers by ERA is still a good plan? That’s not working out so well. That a team’s baseline expectation for the future is simply the number of games they won the year before, plus some upwards adjustment to account for the offseason acquisitions? That isn’t how baseball works.
In the quote above from Stewart and LaRussa, they frame the decision about their futures as one that should be made by evaluating the results of the team on the field. But I don’t think this decision really should be about wins and losses. Good organizations don’t make reactionary decisions, and the team’s ownership shouldn’t change course simply because they’re angry about how this season has gone.
But they should look at the preponderance of the evidence and question whether this group has shown themselves capable of making enough good decisions to lead to a good result over time. At this point, the last two years in Arizona have been filled with a series of decisions that challenges the idea that this group knows how to build a winning team in the first place.
In Nightengale’s piece defending the front office, he notes that it is highly unusual to give a front office only two years to see their plans come to fruition, and he points to other teams that stuck with embattled executives who made early mistakes only to find later success. He even states there’s “no harm” in giving this group another year and seeing how they do with another shot.
But of course there’s plenty of potential harm to be done. The team only has Paul Goldschmidt and A.J. Pollock for a few more seasons, and they’ve already squandered most of Goldschmidt’s prime. The team is in a position where they probably need a coherent plan for the future, one that goes beyond “let’s get some good pitching and try to win a bunch of games”, which was seemingly the only evaluation the team did over the winter. The franchise is in a crucial situation, and needs people in charge who can weigh the pros and cons of various options and determine a reasonable expectation of outcomes depending on which path is chosen.
I don’t see much evidence from the last two years that would give me confidence that LaRussa and Stewart are the right guys to trust with a vitally important offseason for the organization. The Diamondbacks are at a crucial juncture, and they need better decision-making processes than they have now. They shouldn’t let the current staff go because they’re angry about how this season has gone; they should let this group go because they can likely find people more willing to make rational decisions rather than believing that they can see what everyone else cannot.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
I think the most crucial point here is that they shouldn’t have been hired in the first place. When you have 29 front offices using every predictive metric they can get their hands on and 1 front office full of people who have made a career out of (as Dave put) “being renegades”, it’s like walking up to a fully armed US marine squad with a spear and pretending it will be a fair fight.
Ill take the spear guy, if its night, and he knows what he’s doing with that spear…
That massacre would make the DBacks season look successful!
NVGs, though.
It happens in the Civilization video games all the time.
Pretty great post. Was really hoping it would just say “contraction” though.
The ownership itself should probably stop interfering with baseball decision-making: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/dbacks-ownership-stopped-shelby-miller-trade-with-marlins-hale-firing.html
As bad as Larussa and Stewart have been, you should probably let your baseball people make the baseball decisions
Unless the people making baseball decisions are Stewart & LaRussa.
Or unless you know that your baseball people aren’t going to be your baseball people much longer.
Yeah, I was wondering if this was going to be addressed.Such a weird report, tho’. You’d expect LaRussa/Stewart to insist on giving Miller another try next year, not ownership over Tony/Dave’s objections.
But ownership is clearly a problem in their own right. Tony + Dave have operated exactly as they said they would. Ownership signed off on this train wreck lock, stock and barrel.
Are you saying the owners, having made one bad decision, cannot have buyers remorse? It seems pretty rash decision to trade Miller after two thirds of a season.
I kind of doubt that Tony and Dave said “We’re going to make a series of moves that more or less turn us into a laughingstock in the national media and most of the industry.”
It’s easy to forget how fast things have changed. Just five years ago, the Phillies were still looking like a model franchise despite pretty openly eschewing analytics. It’s easy to imagine owners who are not super baseball savvy might hear someone with LaRussa’s resume say “I’m the smartest guy in baseball” and find it plausible. It’s also easy to imagine those owners, after seeing LaRussa and Stuart’s approach dissected and derided, might do a 180.
The only reason to trade Shelby Miller now is to try to save face. Miller has proven to be a capable MLB starter. Trading him now is trading for pennies on the dollar and makes no sense.
99% of the time, owners need to hire baseball people to make baseball decisions and then stay out of it. This is part of the 1% of the time where the owners were smarter than the FO.
Which is another reason TLR and Stewart aren’t right fits for the jobs – their motivation for trying to trade Miller is not baseball-related. And in their jobs every decision needs to be baseball-related.
Trading Miller 4 months in is admitting you made a mistake. How is that saving face?
The mistake was not in trading for Miller, it was the price paid. Paying $200k for a $100k house is a mistake that can’t be rectified by selling the house for $20k.
Sunk cost fallacy. The price they paid for Miller is irrelevant to his value now. The person telling you not to sell your price for 10% above market because the market for your house used to be a lot stronger (without any concrete evidence of an improving market) is either emotionally compromised or doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Buying high and selling low is a terrible way to run a franchise.
They won’t be admitting a mistake; as they’ll just claim the guys they get will improve the team. Nobody with any sense will buy this, but nobody with any sense bought the last trade either.
It will be saving face because it allows them to “move on.” As it is every time he walks on the field it’s a reminder to fans about that terrible trade.
If you trade a Mercedes for a Chevy, and then a year later trade the Chevy for a Hyundai, people won’t compare the Hyundai and the Mercedes, they’ll compare the Hyundai to the Chevy. If you’re lucky maybe they like the Hyundai more than the Chevy, and you can just say “well, sometimes trades work sometimes they don’t, it’s all a mystery.”
Ownership should stop interfering, except in this case. Attempting to trade Miller at the bottom of his value for a bunch of fungible low value prospects should be a reason to insta fire LaRussa and Stewart. Get rid of these guys before they do more damage.
I saw that news and I’m really not sure not to think. Without judging the merits (or lack thereof) of a Miller trade and Hale firing, I think for ownership to step in here clearly indicates that they lack faith in their baseball management and change is around the corner.
Whether it’s a good sign or bad sign that they’re doing it this way, I honestly can’t say. It’s normally not a good thing for ownership to broadcast their intentions in such a way, but if there ever was such a thing as mitigating circumstances, this would be it.
One quibble here. I don’t see why this offseason is any more “crucial” than 2016’s was, or 2015’s, or 2018’s will be, or the Angels’ offseason will be, or the White Sox’ will be, or the Padres’ recent one was, et.cet., et.cet. Or really than any clear contenders’ or rebuilders’ will be. You decide to give Goldschmidt et.al. one more shot at it, or tear down. Whichever you choose, hard to make a case that LaRussa/Stewart deserve another try at it.
Its crucial for two reasons for the Dbacks. The first is with the contract status of the core, the needs the club has, and a lack of FA options, it will take some creativity to work out. On top of that the farm system isnt in great shape so reinforcements dont look to be on the way internally, and they dont have the prospect capital to go get it in trade without stripping the system. I would say you need someone who can try and make this team win with some creative approaches, and then if it isnt going to contend you need an intelligent decision maker who is able to make the rebound happen fast.
If they fuck up here they’re the Angels in two years without Mike Trout. It is an equally important offseason for the Angels since if they cant pull that shit heap together, which I doubt with the FA market what it is, and the current history the team has of missing expensively. That they have there work cut out for them is an understatement. Trout wont want to stick around forever on a team that sucks. I mean FFS Anaheim is looking at probably needing to tear it to the studs to build another winner, and they have the best player on the planet.
This is ARI future if they dont figure it out soon, and this front office wont get what they need to rebuild off parting out the core based on the track record of trades they have made. If you want to see if they can run ARI into the ground faster then the Angels then ok lets have fun, but no other teams besides those two have a one year outlook that could bury the team for half a decade.
The one counter argument I would make, is that Preller seems to have done a decent job of getting out from under a lot of the same type of moves with the Pads. It should be noted though that he has far more background in amateur acquisitions, and a number of the players he traded away havent set the world on fire, but the flip side is most of the players he targeted werent good either.
Honestly, they just need to blow it up. Trade Goldschmidt, Segura, Pollock, et al and just start over. And Larussa and Stewart are not the guys to successfully do this.
They boxed themselves in a corner. Grienke and Tomas are untradable and still owed another $240M. Goldie is gone in a couple years, and they emptied the farm system. It seems like they need to “go for it” while Greinke is still good, but they have no assets to use to fill holes with. If they could get a big market team to take Greinke/Tomas in exchange fir Goldie, I’d say let the rebuild begin. Until then pray for Miller to rebound and team to be healthy for a few years before the bottom drops out.
I’d trade Goldschmidt, but keep Greinke. If he can stay healthy and/or rebound, he might eventually be tradable as years code off his contract. Maybe the same for Tomas. If not, they should be using cheap prospects, lottery tickets, etc. And the money for Greinke and Tomas won’t be keeping them from getting high priced free agents because they won’t be close enough to be spending on free agents anyway.
“to take Greinke/Tomas in exchange fir Goldie”
Greinke and Tomas are not that underwater on their contracts and Goldschmidt is worth more positive value than you give him credit for. Greinke/Goldschmidt or Tomas/Goldschmidt for nothing is a very unfavorable trade for Arizona.
Tomas is owed $54M, and worth nearly zero in the NL. Even in the AL they would have to pick up most of the remaining money to move him.
Greinke makes $35M a year, and his contract is for his decline years. THe deferrals don’t change the cost much. If any decent team had come close to that offer Greinke wouldn’t be here. The DBacks need to eat $30M+ to move him after this season. He was mediocre and it should be the best season in the deal.
If someone would give the DBacks prospects and take Greinke/Tomas with Goldie, that would be great. But Goldie’s value is declining as he sand runs out on his control years. And what other $60M+ asset to the DBacks have to induce anyone to eat the Greinke/Tomas deals?
The truly bizarre thing about the Dbacks’ defensive evaluations is how miserably they fail the eye test (even to this rank amateur).
This isn’t some old school/ new school thing where some player (let’s call him Derek J) looks aesthetically impressive but grades out poorly by the charting services. They’re truly a stonehanded, clueless bunch.
That hypothetical player name is too obvious. Let’s go with “D Jeter”
4 downvotes? Some people need to brush up on their Simpsons references.
This is a baseball analytical site. It’s going to draw it’s fair share of aspergery types who don’t get jokes, and just think you’re being a dick about their favorite team/player.
Those 4 clearly went to Bovine University.
Too obscure. Should have gone with Derek Dare Dare Junior Shabadoo.
That’s the worst name I ever heard
So quick I decided to double post it!
*runs away*
“Derek Dare Dare!”
I’m hoping they stay in place just long enough to trade Goldschmidt to the Indians for Chris Gimenez.
Come now. They surely would hold out for Gimenez and Almonte
Because you have to be strong up the middle.
This is not to make a point, but I was looking back at this December 2014 trade the other day.
Arizona recieves: Robbie Ray, Domingo Lebya
Yankees Recieve: Didi Gregorius
Detroit Recieves: Shane Greene
As a Dbacks fan, I think I am invested in seeing the team do well. I agree with the general sentiment that the current front office values ‘old school’ factors in player assessment. At the same time, now in retrospect, I really wonder if they are any different than Towers. This makes me believe that the root problem is ownership and the influence of marketing.
If the owner keeps selecting similar GM’s, that means he is picking people that have a similar value system as his, and are willing to execute his wishes. If after the disappointments of 2012-14, the owner hires TLR (someone with no front office experience) to oversee the rebuilding of the front office, its with the expectation of executing his will. And in that, TLR and DS have done so. The owner says shed salary, they trade Prado, Trumbo, Montero. They DFA Cody Ross, and they rid themselves of Cahill and Arroyo with the only possible equity they had (prospects).
The marketing department (Hall) says we signed a TV deal, so we need to make a splash, and thus they sign Grienke. They start the ‘new evolution’ with the new uniforms.
The owner then says I expect to win, and contend now, but I am not increasing the salary cap, the FO does the only thing possible, which is to trade prospects for the team needs (Miller) and significantly overpays in a seller’s market (I am going to disagree with your assessment of being the worst trade of 2015, as I think what Houston paid for Giles was worse, but that is another discussion).
At the end, they were in an all in situation, with no depth. The team needed the luck of 2015 (essentially no injuries), and the continued development of their young players (Lamb and Tomas), along with prospects stepping up (Ray, Brito, Bradley) and their core (Grienke, Miller, Corbin, Goldy, Pollack, Peralta) playing at least to their historic averages. Other than Lamb and Tomas showing flashes of potential, everything else was a failure.
My problem is this, if the owner believes that the team as it is constructed has a chance to contend next year, then TLR and DS should be given 1 more year to see things till the end. If they are going to be handcuffed at every move (like trading Miller or firing Hale), right or wrong, that means the owner is making all the decisions, in which case, probably TLR and DS should just resign.
The one thing that I cannot explain is the Tomas and Lopez signings, as that is almost the opposite of everything else. My suspicion is that it might of been a marketing driven decision, or perhaps the owner wanting to have his ‘Cuban’ after seeing the success of the likes of Puig, Cespedes, and Abreu.
Being from Chicago, Arizona ownership reminds me a lot of the way the Bulls and White Sox have been run recently. No matter how mediocre they are, even if it’s just a 17% of making the playoffs, ownership instructs them to go for it. Both teams seem deluded into thinking their core is stronger than it is. With Reinsdorf now in his 80s, I wonder if this is what being a Tigers fan is like.
It is not. The Tigers actually go for it. The White Sox try to contend without ever rebuilding and without really spending all that much–Abreu is their largest contract ever and they reportedly weren’t willing to go more than three years with any of the free agent outfielders last year.
It’s hard for me to understand where you’re coming from with the Giles trade being worse than the Miller trade. Are you judging by results? Giles has been better than Miller by every single metric.
Are you judging by the prospects traded? Because what Arizona gave up is sure looking better than what Houston gave up. I think you looked at Giles and Velasquez back in April and forgot to check back in again. Velasquez isn’t looking so hot anymore, and Giles is looking a lot better. The Miller trade, on the other hand, is looking about the same as it always has…
Your point is valid if you conveniently ignore the fact that the Phillies also received Mark Appel, Derek Fisher, Thomas Eshelman, Harold Araulz, and Brett Oberholtzer. That’s a massive freaking haul.
They didn’t receive Derek Fisher.
I didn’t ignore the fact so much as none of those players look to be particularly good (and as Barnard points out, Fisher was NOT included). Eshelman and Arauz have time to prove me wrong. Eshelman is looking like a mid-inning reliever, and the Arauz at worst cancel each other out (although the Arauz Houston got is looking a lot better than the Arauz Philly got). Oberholtzer and Appel are running out of time to prove they can be anything other than AAAA guys (actually, Appel doesn’t even look like he can hold his own at AAA).
Ultimately, this trade boils down to Ken Giles and Jonathan Arauz for Vincent Velasquez and chaff. It doesn’t matter how much chaff you add to the trade, that doesn’t make it a “haul.”
RotoWire News: Lopez left the Double-A Mobile BayBears on Wednesday with the intention of quitting baseball, Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic reports. (7/1/2016)
Injury: Personal, Day-to-Day
Yoan Lopez, that is
how do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
I don’t think Stewart is a good GM and probably should be replaced but while I understand the criticism on ill attempted going all in of teams that are not ready (like last year the Padres) a lot of this is also on the owners.
Winning the WS is the goal and doing a rebuild till the end is the best way but such a multi year rebuild can cost a team a lot of money especially for a small market team that has no automatic attendance.
Preller was the idiot of the year last year and now his farm system is top5 again after a couple trades.
Again not saying Stewart is a good or even acceptable GM but don’t count on the owner allowing his successor doing what is necessary to get back on track.
Ownership is bad for thinking they were close based on a fluke season where they got outscored by 25 runs. Stewart /LaRussa clearly thought the same thing though, they don’t get pythag either.
Even if win-now was all on ownership, Stewart/LaRussa are bad for overpaying for Miller. The team was likely to be better this year with Inciarte than Miller (WAR), and better in the future given Miller cost $4M more and a year of control. Then they threw in two huge trade chits to boot.
If the mandate was win now, keep the best outfield in baseball together, and use Swanson/Blair to get a less over-rated starter than Miller. But they couldn’t see that because they had a dinger hitting zero they still owed $60M to, so sunk costs dictated ship out the light hitting guy whose big defensive value wasn’t clear to their naked eyes, to put the guy who can only hit dingers out there to chase balls.
While not the biggest geniuses, I’m going to have to defend them a little bit. Yes, the Lopez deal looks bad in hindsight, and in addition to the Swanson deal the Hellickson deal last winter looks bad, and while segura has been good the brewers swapped hill out and still have Isan Diaz. I’m not really worried about Touissant. Other than that, it’s not like they’ve traded the whole farm in some mis-guided quest to repeat and their only big free agent acquisition has been greinke and after a shaky start he’s been good. not great, but good, and given the cost of SP$$ he looks good to pair up with Bradley and Shipley and others. What they really need is a good scouting director, increased $$ in Latin America and that takes time to show up. The defense is bad, but Pollock should help. Obviously the need a SS, maybe they can trade Tomas for that and install O’brien in LF, they are both kind of similar players. Dunno. Is Castillo that bad a defensive catcher? Lamb at 3b that awful? The bullpen is bad…they need to do something about that maybe look at some failed SPs and see if they can convert them?
Lol, yeah, I’m sure teams are lining up to deal shortstops for Tomas.
Tomas is untradable, unless they pay most of the $55M he is owed.
Yuan Lopez was clearly an overpay when they made it. But the bigger problem is it blew their international budget and it appears they didn’t understand this or have a strategy. It would have been far better to sign three Lopez type free agents to make it worthwhile to sit out future signing periods.
Tousaint is still a high upside and valuable prospect, if risky. Remember they gave him up to get the braves to take the last year of a pitchers contract. Then the very next year they turned around and massively overpaid Greinke. So they hurt their future to save payroll, then blew far more than that getting right back in similar situation.
How is listing their mistakes and then listing their roster holes and suggesting horrible last-ditch moves to plug them “defend[ing]” the Arizona FO?
I started reading the end of your post faster and faster and thought you legitimately suggested they sign Adam Dunn.
The article is fairly stated and dispassionate. The D-Backs aren’t alone in having injuries in MLB so that excuse is weak. But their baseball group(LaRussa, Stewart, Watson) seems ill-suited to management. Keith Law wrote that the baseball group were ignorant of basic rules governing international acquisitions. The Yoan Lopez signing was mystifying as there was little info about some long reliever kid from Cuba. Unlike Tomas, there was no competition for Lopez. Yet they paid $8M for a nobody. The overpay for Tomas is maybe defensible but teams were walking away after Tomas actually tried to field, given his poor conditioning, at his workouts. Greinke was a big enough overpay to be a mistake right away. Toussaint an A league guy, sold for $10M to pay for a prior mistake, might have been a good sale for the wrong reason. The AAA guys that have been brought up seem to be mediocre, either the farm system is not preparing players or there is a big issue with player evaluation. I think the overall failure of the D-Backs baseball group is at some point they knew they were the smartest guys in the room and quit learning about additional inputs necessary to run an organization, analytics, signing rules, and nuances in their industry. Given the organization seems in disarray, they need to be let go.
Yasmany was a huge overpay, just like Lopez.
Not sure why Cameron gave them a pass on the acquisition of Tomas, he projected pretty much how he turned out. He wasn’t a good defender, and wasn’t an elite hitter. His last three years he averaged around an .870 OPS, with his final year a .797. His highest finish in league OPS was 17th, pretty meh for an all bat no field type.
For comparison, Abreu is a bat only guy, but his career OPS in Cuba was 1.078, and he averaged around 1.300 his last four seasons.
Puigs career average was only .901, but that was only two years, ages 17 and 19, and his age 19 year was over 1.000. Yasmany’s best years were worse at ages 20-22, and Puig had defensive value.
I can see why someone might want to give Yasmany a contract, but I can’t see why they’d pay north of $20M. You have to believe he’s still going to improve to justify any contract, but he has to improve mightily to justify $68M.
For a decade now the problem has been right at the top in Kendrick. There’s a lot of stuff that needs to be done, but I don’t think it will ever happen under him.
1. Fire the entire front office.
2. Fill it with competent people who are not friends.
3. Let them run the team.
4. Profit
You forgot the second step before profit
Phase 2: ????
Neither Kendrick or President Derick Hall understand how to build a baseball team, or hire good baseball people. The last good GMs were Byrnes/Dipoto, Byrnes got fired because he wouldn’t fire the manager when the team was underperforming, Dipoto was the interim and they gave the job to Towers instead. The organization has been living off the talent those two assembled ever since.
It would be great if they hired an analytical GM, I’m doubt they will. They love old time baseball veterans with grit, and gut feel, like Larussa, Gibson, Stewart, and the gunslinger. Maybe Manfred can intervene so they don’t dig the hole deeper?
You make a compelling argument, but was a compelling argument even necessary? Is there any relatively neutral observer out there who still thinks Dave Stewart might be a competent General Manager?
It should be noted that at the time of the signing Yoan Lopez was said to have left money on the table by turning down a bigger offer from another team. The characterization of the signing as a Diamondbacks mistake only may be somewhat revisionist.
It was considered to be a mistake at the time: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/arizona-signs-yoan-lopez-but-may-pay-very-high-price/
It may be a mistake, but the Diamondbacks are not the only ones that made it; they just happened to be the one that “won” Lopez over among several similar-sized offers.
I sincerely doubt that Yoan Lopez decided to take less money, and whatever other teams were bidding weren’t forfeiting the largest international bonus pool during the following signing period.
That is what was reported at the time of the signing. Whether you believe it or not is another matter.
https://twitter.com/JesseSanchezMLB/status/554994842749919233
https://twitter.com/jessesanchezmlb/status/555003449524649984
I’m sure that’s what his agents told Stewart, but it’s ridiculous on its face. Worse is blowing your bonus pool without understanding type consequences and having a plan in place.
I wasn’t sure, but it’s undeniable now. Dave Cameron is strongly biased against terrible front offices.
Or is he strongly biased towards writing about them, given even writing about these two small market schmos generated lots of page views and bitter comments from morons?
yes, I’m a bitter moron who still roots for this team.
Well it could have worked if everyone stayed healthy and had a good year but more often than not it does not work. Team lacked depth and could not compensate any setbacks.
The team didn’t project as playoff worthy with normal health. They got too excited about last years fluke without realizing they were farther away than Greinke could take them. Last years team was outscored significantly. When they broke up the leagues best outfield, trading the better player in Inciarte for Miller, they actually reduced their chances of winning this year, then hurt their future by also giving up two top prospects and losing a control year.
How do you hold a moonbeam in your haaaaaaaaaand?