Is Erasmo Ramirez for Real?

Every year, a number of starting pitchers seemingly come out of nowhere to become significant contributors at the major-league level. Sometimes, like in the case of Jacob deGrom, the sudden evolution is real and sustainable. In the case of the majority of short-term success stories, the league adjusts, the pitcher can’t respond to those adjustments, and he disappears from the major-league scene or he settles into a lesser role.

Earlier this week, we took a look at one such pitcher who got off to a fabulous start this season before crashing to earth: the Seattle Mariners’ Mike Montgomery. Today, we’ll take a look at the player dealt to the Rays by the Mariners for Montgomery at the end of the past spring training, right-hander Erasmo Ramirez. The 25-year-old was pummeled beyond recognition in his first two outings as a Ray, but has quietly fashioned a very nice season in Tampa, with a 10-4, 3.57, traditional line at present. Have the Rays uncovered a low-cost, high-performance starting pitcher, as they have so many times in the past? Or is it a matter of time until he starts being pounded on pitches in the fat part of the zone, as he did for much of his tenure in Seattle? Let’s take a look at Ramirez’ 2015 batted-ball data and make some observations.

I have some personal history with Ramirez from my time with the Mariners, including some time spent in the same high-rise in downtown Seattle. My first recollections of him were the game reports on his early outings from his second season in the Venezuelan Summer League after signing for a modest signing bonus the prior year. Every outing was seemingly flawless, both in terms of numbers and the qualitative reviews of the coaching staff. He walked all of five batters in 80 innings pitched that summer. I couldn’t wait to lay eyes on him in spring training.

He did not disappoint. He pounded the strike zone with a heavy fastball that touched 94 mph, and showed good feel for his changeup. His breaking ball needed reps, and he did tend to catch too much of the strike zone with his fastball, but hey, he hadn’t turned 20 yet. There was still plenty of time for him to polish his game.

The biggest impression Ramirez made upon me was with his makeup and personality. The young Nicaraguan had a good feel for the English language and was loving every day of his spring-training experience. He took his craft seriously, but there was no way to wipe the smile from his face as he made his way from bullpen to back field to locker room at the Peoria complex. We decided that he was ready for a challenge, and skipped him over our two US-based short-season affiliates, assigning him to Low-A Clinton in the Midwest League.

He easily met the standard, taking a regular turn in the rotation and posting a sterling 117/21 K/BB ratio in 151.2 IP. After 2011 spring training, we challenged him again, jumping him to Double-A, where he again posted strong strikeout (K) and walk (BB) numbers and earned a promotion to Triple-A Tacoma while still only 21 years old. Sure, he was punished to a greater extent by advanced upper-minor-league hitters for the mistakes he made in the strike zone, but he was still way ahead of the game.

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Each year, I compile my own ordered minor-league lists of top full-season-league position-player and starting-pitcher prospects based on performance and age relative to league and level. These basically serve as follow lists, with the orders then tweaked based on traditional scouting methods. Ramirez, thanks in large part to his puny walk totals, qualified for my list four times, each in the top 100. He ranked in the top 50 twice, peaking at #22 after the 2011 season. He never did crack a Baseball America Top 100 list, likely due to his relatively small stature (5’11”, 200), as well as his average-at-best breaking stuff.

Another factor that may have held him back from receiving more national acclaim was the glass-half-empty view that some in the organization had adopted toward Ramirez. His sunny disposition was at times misinterpreted as a lack of seriousness, and his present shortcomings, rather than his gifts, were often emphasized. Every player is different, and there is no ideal motivational tool; while you might need to “go to the whip” to get certain players to perform, this was not necessary with Ramirez. There wasn’t a single spring-training mistake in the zone made by Ramirez that wasn’t noted sternly and publicly, and over time, he began to pitch scared. That’s a recipe for disaster at the major-league level, even if you’re pitching in Safeco Field.

Ramirez was shuttled back and forth to Triple-A through the 2014 season, with gradually diminishing success. He used up his last minor-league option that year, and came to 2015 spring training knowing that he would either make the club, or get a change of scenery. He made a nice run at a spot on the Mariners’ staff, but was eventually designated for assignment, setting up the eventual deal with the Rays for their reclamation project, Montgomery.

His first two outings for the Rays were unmitigated disasters, as he allowed 15 earned runs in 5.1 innings. Things have, to put it mildly, settled in rather nicely since, as he’s posted a 2.35 ERA in his last 110.2 IP. How has he done it? Let’s take a look at his plate-appearance frequency and production by ball-in-play (BIP) type data, both on a full-season basis, and separating those two brutal outings from the rest. First, the frequency information:

FREQ – 2015
E.Ramirez % REL PCT
K 18.4% 91 45
BB 6.8% 91 56
POP 5.0% 156 86
FLY 27.7% 91 20
LD 19.3% 92 26
GB 48.0% 106 72
———— ———— ———– ———–
Thru 4/15 % REL PCT
K 16.2% 80 20
BB 16.2% 216 99
POP 5.3% 164 88
FLY 15.8% 52 2
LD 21.0% 100 48
GB 57.9% 128 97
———— ———— ———– ———–
Since 4/15 % REL PCT
K 18.5% 92 45
BB 5.9% 79 34
POP 4.9% 154 85
FLY 28.7% 94 26
LD 19.3% 92 26
GB 47.0% 104 70

The full-season data is on top, followed by his first two outings in the middle, and the rest on the bottom. Let’s take the bad outings with a grain of salt: the sample is so small that we shouldn’t belabor it, but looking at his seasonal numbers without them being poisoned by those two games is appropriate in this case, I would argue, as he was clearly working on some adjustments that had yet to yield dividends.

Ramirez’ ability to throw strikes at will, his core skill, had slipped away from him late in his Mariner days, and didn’t immediately to return after he became a Ray. Even now, his seasonal walk rate of 6.8% is higher than the average of AL ERA qualifiers, with a 56 percentile rank. Take out those first two outings, however, and the old Erasmo is back: his 5.9% walk rate since April 15, and the corresponding 34 percentile rank, is where it needs to be for Ramirez to make a long-term living as a major-league starting pitcher. His seasonal K rate of 18.4% is just shy of the average of AL ERA qualifiers, with a 45 percentile rank.

Ramirez had consistently been a fly-ball pitcher as a Mariner, and that has definitely changed since his move way south and east. He has posted a well above-average seasonal grounder rate, good for a 72 percentile rank. That mark was even higher at 97 in his first two outings, but he allowed high ball-in-play (BIP) authority and struggled to throw strikes in those outings; he was clearly working on getting the ball down in the zone with his fastball in those outings, and paid dearly during the transition period.

Interestingly, Ramirez has shown an aptitude for inducing popups (86 percentile rank) while running a high grounder rate this season. That’s a very unusual combination; Ubaldo Jimenez is another pitcher who has pulled it off in 2015, and he’s done it in his better seasons in the past. It will be difficult to replicate in the future for Ramirez, so further future career ups and downs might be in the offing. Also, Ramirez’ line-drive rate percentile rank is pretty low at 26; liner rates fluctuate more than those of other BIP types, so negative regression might be waiting around the corner.

Based on the frequency data, there appears to be a foundation for at least average starting pitching in the future: K and BB rates around the MLB average for ERA qualifiers, an emerging grounder tendency and an elevated pop-up rate, which at least shows the ability to change the hitter’s eye level and get outs up in the zone. We need to assess the BIP authority allowed by Ramirez, however, before we make truly informed observations regarding his performance. To get a handle on that piece of the puzzle, let’s move on to his production allowed by BIP type data, presented in the same manner as the frequency data:

PROD – 2015
E.Ramirez AVG OBP SLG REL PRD ADJ PRD ACT ERA CALC ERA TRU ERA
FLY 0.140 0.526 83 89
LD 0.542 0.806 67 99
GB 0.259 0.289 106 116
ALL BIP 0.272 0.416 72 87
ALL PA 0.217 0.271 0.333 73 85 3.57 2.80 3.29
———— ———— ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———–
Thru 4/15 AVG OBP SLG REL PRD ADJ PRD ACT ERA CALC ERA TRU ERA
FLY 0.500 2.000 1160 310
LD 0.750 1.250 144 100
GB 0.636 0.818 721 170
ALL BIP 0.583 0.875 326 144
ALL PA 0.467 0.556 0.700 312 160 25.31 12.03 6.19
———— ———— ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———– ———–
Since 4/15 AVG OBP SLG REL PRD ADJ PRD ACT ERA CALC ERA TRU ERA
FLY 0.127 0.473 68 84
LD 0.529 0.779 64 99
GB 0.226 0.242 78 112
ALL BIP 0.248 0.382 61 84
ALL PA 0.199 0.247 0.305 61 80 2.35 2.34 3.08

The actual production allowed on each BIP type is indicated in the batting average (AVG) and slugging (SLG) columns, and is converted to run values and compared to MLB average in the REL PRD column. That figure is then adjusted for context, such as home park, team defense, luck, etc., in the ADJ PRD column. For the purposes of this exercise, sacrifice hits (SH) and flies (SF) are included as outs and hit by pitchers (HBP) are excluded from the on-base percentage (OBP) calculation.

Again, let’s not belabor the very small-sample size data in the middle rows. In fact, let’s focus primarily on the seasonal data in the top section, at least for now. Not only has Ramirez allowed a relatively low fly-ball rate, he’s contained production in the air. Batters have hit just .140 AVG-.526 SLG on fly balls, for an 83 REL PRD. Contextual adjustments cause only a modest upward bump to 89. He has been quite lucky on liners, allowing just .542 AVG-.806 SLG (67 REL PRD), which is adjusted up to almost exactly league average (99) for context. While he does induce plenty of grounders, they are hit harder than the league average, as evidenced by his context-adjusted 116 ADJ PRD.

When all BIP are taken into consideration, Ramirez has allowed just a .272 AVG-.416 SLG on all BIP, for a 72 REL PRD, or Unadjusted Contact Score. Contextual adjustments bump that up to an 87 Adjusted Contact Score, which is still quite good. If you would have told some members of his previous organization that he would someday be an above-average contact manager, they wouldn’t have believed it.

For the season, his “tru” ERA, based on the contact authority he has allowed, is 3.29, better than his actual mark of 3.57 but below his component ERA of 2.80. Take a gander down to the bottom of the table and look at his gaudy 2.35 and 2.34 actual and component ERAs since April 15, as well as his 3.08 “tru” ERA since that date, unaffected by those two brutal early April outings. That is the pitcher the Rays got for a relative song at the end of spring training.

Sure, his liner rate is likely to regress upward, and it will be tough to pull off the high pop-up/grounder rate Daily Double moving forward. Let’s say he’s an average contact manager, with average K/BB skills moving forward. His average velocity allowed by BIP type says that’s what he is. He’s allowed an average velocity of 88.3 mph on all BIP to date; the AL average for ERA qualifiers is 88.1 mph. For fly balls, liners and grounders, respectively, he’s allowed averages of 89.6, 92.6 and 86.7 mph, compared to league averages of 89.8, 92.6 and 85.5 MPH. Average, across the board.

And average is awesome. Somewhere between 180 and 200 innings with quality equal to the average ERA qualifier is worth big bucks these days. Plus, there’s still some upside. Ramirez has always been a big bat-misser, and his 2015 11.6% swing-and-miss rate is a career best, and over one standard deviation above the average of AL ERA qualifiers. His average fastball velocity may be a career low 90.7 mph, but more heavy usage of his four-seamer, which has shown better late action in all regions of the zone, has paid off handsomely.

It’s taken awhile, but Ramirez has evolved into the pitcher I thought he would become. Kudos to the Rays for focusing on the many things he does well, allowing him to again feel good about himself and make the targeted adjustments that have allowed him to tap into his potential.





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Ghost of Mariner's past
10 years ago

Because, of course.

Will somebody wake me up when the M’s become relevant again? I’m going to focus my attention on supporting the Sonics. What the..

HutchMember since 2022
10 years ago

As a disgruntled M’s fan, I don’t think I’ll ever tire of Tony’s passive-aggressive jabs at his old employer. Keep up the good work!

AC
10 years ago
Reply to  Hutch

There’s a fine line between passive-aggressive jabs and just telling it like it is.

This line is both:
“There wasn’t a single spring-training mistake in the zone made by Ramirez that wasn’t noted sternly and publicly, and over time, he began to pitch scared.”

With all the evidence pointing to Seattle’s player development staff simply not being good at their job, they deserve a few jabs on their way out the door.

algionfriddo
10 years ago
Reply to  Hutch

Erasmo could not find his control when every pitch came from deep within Lloyd’s dark doghouse. The Mariner players seem to like Lloyd. How that can be is a total mystery. Lloyd needs to go right after they can Big ‘Z’. Hope Erasmo continues to shine & I love his change-up.
Being a Mariner fan is much like rooting for Sisyphus. Nice guy and all but jeez.

Big Al
10 years ago

You don’t think Jim Hickey could of tweaked something do you?

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
10 years ago
Reply to  Big Al

His back in a friendly, drunken wrasslin’ match?

paul dreyfus
10 years ago

This analysis is all well and good, and I agree with the conclusion: Erasmo is an average pitcher with some potential for upside in the K department. This makes him pretty unexciting in my book.

Take a look at his monthly splits this year: Hi K/9 has declined steadily throughout the season. He’s made up for that somewhat by not walking more batters and by somewhat increasing his GB%. But–the results have been pretty inconsistent. Witness his FIP and xFIP, both of which have also increased. Not to mention the starts against Baltimore, Boston, and the White Sox late last month and earlier this.

I’m wondering if there is a bit of wishful thinking involving Erasmo. I see it in other places, too (Rotoworld has been calling him an ace). I am wishful about him, too, based on what I knew about his early years as a pro. But, as they say, if wishes were horses. So, I ended up dropping him for Raisel Igelesias, who appears to have true ace upside, and possibly the ability to create results that match up to that upside for the rest of 2015.

John Elway
10 years ago
Reply to  paul dreyfus

If wishes were horses, I’d be trotting out some line like “who cares about your fantasy team.”

Just neighing.

GoOppo
10 years ago
Reply to  John Elway

as always thanks neighbro

schneidlerMember since 2016
10 years ago

Argh. I’m a long time Erasmo fan and much longer Mariner’s fan and I keep checking his line this year and wincing every time. Is there a rule somewhere that the M’s MUST have incompetent leadership? Forever??

insaniac
10 years ago
Reply to  schneidler

They seem to give their leadership a longer leash to make mistakes and try and figure it out than most other teams. Its frustrating to sit and watch for sure!

Bill
10 years ago

Heatmaps would be nice, had to look them up. Not much difference 2014 vs. 2015, maybe a slight uptick up in the zone and down in the zone, which would jive with what Hickey tries to teach – don’t be afraid to throw up at times to change the hitters viewpoint. It’s worked for Cobb, Odo, Price and others. Now if Erasmo could just learn the ‘Cobb’ to go along with his change…

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago

Interestingly, Ramirez has shown an aptitude for inducing popups (86 percentile rank) while running a high grounder rate this season. That’s a very unusual combination; Ubaldo Jimenez is another pitcher who has pulled it off in 2015, and he’s done it in his better seasons in the past. It will be difficult to replicate in the future for Ramirez, so further future career ups and downs might be in the offing.

That stood out to me as well. Going from a 5.9% IFFB rate to a 15.2% IFFB rate is pretty insane, especially given that his only significant change in pitch location has been an increase in fastballs below the strike zone. It’s also worth noting that Erasmo’s exciting walk rate decline came without an increase in the amount of strikes. PITCHf/x actually has him with the worst zone percentage of his career. Looking through the peripherals, I’m not seeing any compelling signs of improvement. Instead it looks like noise to me.

That being said, there is one really interesting (to me anyway) thing about Erasmo Ramirez that I discovered as a result of this piece. <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=10314&position=P&ss=2012&se=2015&type=0&hand=all&count=all&blur=1&grid=10&view=pit"If you take a look at his heatmaps, they’re extremely unusual. Most pitchers clump, so you see a big blob of red with a relatively even degradation the further you get from the most frequent locations. Erasmo has a completely different pattern in that he throws a diagonal cross-section of the strike zone, going from up and in to right-handed batters to low and away from right-handed batters. That struck me as really strange and I can’t remember seeing any other pitcher with a similar distribution, so if anyone can point me to others who share the same trait I would appreciate it. I don’t know what if anything that diagonal as opposed to clumped heatmap means for performance, but it’s unusual enough to merit investigation.

Nathaniel Dawson
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Actually, that diagonal pattern is fairly common when looking at heatmaps and pitch plots. It basically follows the arm path during the pitcher windup, so the same pattern will show up with a lot of pitchers.

Ryan
10 years ago

Actually for a lot of pitchers it probably an attempt to use effective velocity.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago

No, it really isn’t common at all. Slider pitchers will have the usual clump in the middle followed by a tail to the bottom corner opposite their pitching hand, but that’s not what I’m talking about. Erasmo’s is an unbroken band from one top corner to the opposite bottom corner with extremely low frequencies in the other two corners. I looked through all 89 qualified starting pitchers and the only other ones who met that criteria were Alfredo Simon, Nate Karns, and Jimmy Nelson. Carlos Martinez and Jason Hammel very nearly had it.

Nathaniel Dawson
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Yeah, I don’t know what you’re seeing. Perhaps it jumps out a little bit more in Ramirez’ heatmap, but it doesn’t look like anything unusual. Looking at some of Toronto’s pitchers, just out of random, you see Drew Hutchinson and Aaron Sanchez with a similar pattern. Brett Cecil as well. R.A. Dickey is more clumped in the middle, but he’s a knuckleballer, so I would have been surprised if his chart looked that way. And you can defeinitley see a hint of that with Dickey, knuckleballer though he is. Same with Mark Buehrle, also kind of a different animal, so certainly not every pitcher is going to look that way.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

I think you’re being defensive because you “corrected” me and asserted that something was common only for me to go through the heatmaps of all 89 qualified starting pitchers and show that it is not common at all. Hutchison’s heatmap could be described as vaguely diagonal, but it’s obviously nowhere near what you see with Erasmo. Hutchison’s pitch location is far more scattered than Ramirez’s, he doesn’t have anywhere near Ramirez’s frequency up and in to RHBs, and he isn’t just outside the strike zone to anywhere near Ramirez’s frequency. As noted, Erasmo’s heatmap is a continuous band of red. Dustin’s is clearly not.

Woody
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Interesting that Karns and Erasmo have been handled identically by the Rays. Rays are petrified to let them go 3 times through the lineup, unless way ahead or behind.

Yeahbut
10 years ago

Can they just fire the front office in Seattle already? Gosh.

Who is Zorbist?
10 years ago
Reply to  Yeahbut

It really is shocking that it took the Rays all of 2 weeks to fix what the M’s couldn’t in 3 years.

joser
10 years ago

No, it didn’t, because the Mariners weren’t spending that time fixing him. They were spending that time breaking him. And it still took them three years. They’re not even efficient at that; Dusty Baker would’ve accomplished it in a couple of months.