Jeff Sullivan FanGraphs Chat — 6/8/18
9:08 |
: Hello friends |
9:08 |
: Sorry sorry! Podcasting! |
9:08 |
: Welcome to Friday baseball chat |
9:08 |
: I know they’re completely independent, but the Caps make me feel better about the Nats chances this year. Is that sports? |
9:09 |
: That’s sports |
9:09 |
: It also shows the power of the narratives we make up about them to make them more interesting |
9:10 |
: It was compelling to think of the entire DC area as simply being cursed. Now, the Nats’ history is unchanged from where it was yesterday morning, but it’s easier to see how that doom isn’t actually permanent. Every year, there’s a champion! If it can happen for Ovechkin, it can happen for anybody |
9:10 |
: Is Arenado a better walker now or is he just seeing fewer pitches to hit? |
9:11 |
: Arenado is a little more selective than he used to be, but he’s also been swinging and missing a little more often, which has led to deeper counts. Deeper counts invariably lead to more strikeouts and walks, and both those rates for him are up |
9:12 |
: The Capitals won! Which of the 7 World Series-less teams is most likely to win their first in the next 5 years? |
9:12 |
: So we’re picking from the Mariners, Nationals, Padres, Rockies, Rangers, Rays, and Brewers |
9:13 |
: I’ll immediately eliminate the Mariners, Padres, Rockies, Rangers, and Rays |
9:13 |
: Leaves us with the Nationals and Brewers. I think it’s a toss-up between them. I’ve been concerned about the Nationals’ future before, but with Soto emerging as he has, it might not be so bad |
9:14 |
: With the M’s and Red Sox/Yanks looking good for the two AL wild cards, do you think the A’s and Rays are kicking themselves for putting together middling teams this year, instead of pushing one way or the other? |
9:15 |
: Both the A’s and Rays know exactly where they are — teams on the upswing who aren’t yet quite ready for prime time. Too talented to tear down, but too limited to build up like crazy |
9:16 |
: They haven’t done things perfectly, but I think they’re content. They’ve long figured they were playing for .500. And even though the records are what they are, I’ll point out that, by BaseRuns, the Rays’ winning percentage should be .546, with the Mariners at .547 |
9:16 |
: The Rays have a better BaseRuns record than the Brewers, Indians, and Cardinals. I know there are reasons for underperforming, but the Rays have not been bad |
9:17 |
: How does Felix’s curve stack up? Could upping its usage be a path back to average? |
9:18 |
: That’s sort of what he’s been trying to do. He has the highest curveball rate of his career. He could probably stand to push it even further, but ultimately, he needs to be able to locate a fastball. I wonder if he’d be best at basically a 1:1:1 mix of fastballs, curveballs, and changeups |
9:18 |
: So when are we getting tWRC+ and sWRC+? |
9:18 |
: We need to get BB- and K- first! |
9:20 |
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9:21 |
: Overall, he’s been almost exactly what he was two years ago. Not too far off. His slider hasn’t been very effective — its whiff rate is way down — but otherwise, he’s a familiar-looking guy. One tweak away from getting back on track |
9:23 |
: What reliever should the Angels be targeting and what should they give up? |
9:24 |
: How aggressive the Angels are is going to depend on how much closer they can get to the Mariners/Astros in the coming weeks. They know they’re in the race, but you don’t want to push too much into the middle when you’re several games out of a playoff spot |
9:25 |
: It would probably be pretty easy for them to trade for like Darren O’Day. But I wonder if they look to San Diego for a Tyson Ross/Kirby Yates two-fer |
9:25 |
: Solves two of their major problems. Might even be able to throw in an outfielder if Kole Calhoun doesn’t figure out baseball again |
9:26 |
: Where do you stand on luke heimlich not being drafted: elated or ecstatic? |
9:26 |
: Surprised. I figured there were a few teams willing to take the chance, but in the end maybe they got peer pressured into staying away |
9:27 |
: There’s still time for a team to sign him as an undrafted free agent. Such a team might think that doing so quietly will keep it off the media radar. It would not |
9:27 |
: Overall, it’s kind of powerful to see baseball collectively prioritize something other than winning |
9:29 |
: Should the rangers consider optioning Odor? Profar has been performing well and Andrus will be activated from the DL soon while Odor has continued his poor performance from last year |
9:29 |
: I’m given to understand that Odor has a couple of option years remaining. As you say, his wRC+ is 51, after last year’s 61 |
9:30 |
: I think the Rangers should do more than consider it — I think the Rangers should do it. Profar has earned the opportunity, and Odor has lost the benefit of the doubt |
9:31 |
: He’s been an awful player for too many months. He needs more work, or at least a shock to the system |
9:32 |
: Kelvin Herrera is quietly having a great year in relief (no walks and only one HR allowed in 25 outings). what sort of value could he return to the Royals? |
9:32 |
: That breaking ball is really working wonders for him |
9:32 |
: He’s slowed it down by four miles per hour. Four miles per hour! |
9:33 |
: Good reliever, contract season |
9:33 |
: Looking at something kind of like last year’s Addison Reed trade |
9:34 |
: If you don’t like that, then, last year’s Tony Watson trade |
9:34 |
: Or the Pat Neshek trade! |
9:36 |
: Multiple prospects coming back. Don’t expect any of the Gleyber Torres type. But Herrera will be one of the better late-inning relievers available |
9:36 |
: How often when a coach makes a ‘mechanical’ change, either with a pitcher or a batter, is the change is actually something real as opposed to a placebo so that the pitcher or batter can believe that an error was found and then corrected? |
9:37 |
: I think that does happen, but probably not very often, because it’s hard and disruptive to make a mechanical change, so there’s risk that goes along with it |
9:37 |
: If you’re just making a change for mental reasons, well, what are you *actually* changing? You have to be careful |
9:39 |
: I do think — and this should maybe be written about — the media at large makes too much of reported adjustments. It’s a whole genre of baseball writing now: player improves after making X change. It’s compelling and insightful when it’s true and significant, but, I mean, baseball players are ALWAYS making adjustments. It’s critical to separate the impactful ones from the routine and useless ones |
9:41 |
: What’s the deal with Gary Sanchez? Is he just getting unlucky, with his low Babip? |
9:41 |
: Not quite — he does have a career-high pop-up rate. Those are basically automatic outs |
9:41 |
: He hit 14 pop-ups last season. He already has 15 this year |
9:42 |
: But still, here are Sanchez’s year-to-year BABIPs on ground balls: .250, .240, .071 |
9:42 |
: That’s going to change moving forward, as the occasional grounder with eyes makes its way to the grass |
9:43 |
: The Orioles aren’t gonna get much for Machado, are they? Relatedly, everything is terrible. |
9:44 |
: They’ll do okay, but at shortstop, Machado is likely to be in a market with Andrus, and at third, he’s likely to be in a market with Donaldson, Beltre, and Moustakas |
9:45 |
: Machado is the best of all of those players, but there aren’t many teams with needs. The Braves are there, of course, but they’re unlikely to want to sacrifice too much for a short-term 2018 push |
9:45 |
: Machado will easily bring more back than J.D. Martinez did last summer. But I don’t think such a trade will involve a blue-chip, can’t-miss prospect. There’s just not enough value there |
9:46 |
: True or False: Baltimore gets a better return for Machado than NYY got for Chapman? |
9:47 |
: According to Baseball America, Gleyber Torres entered 2016 as the No. 41 prospect, and he entered 2017 as the No. 5 prospect |
9:47 |
: Right in the middle of that, he headlined the Chapman return |
9:48 |
: I think it’s important to understand there’s a difference between Torres then and Torres today, but that being said, if the Orioles get someone of Torres’ caliber in this move, they should be very pleased |
9:49 |
: Whenever expansion is brought up, there is a question of if the area can support a team. Certainly NYC or north Jersey could support another team, but teams have veto power for whatever reason within their territory. Is it a foregone conclusion that the Yankees and Mets cannot be persuaded ($$$) to allow another team into an MSA with more than twice as many people as Chicago? |
9:49 |
: I expect that overall it will just be much much easier to put a new team in a brand-new market |
9:49 |
: The New York area could *definitely* support a third baseball team, but it’s not a coincidence you never see Manfred talking about that |
9:51 |
: Admit it. You’re late on purpose at this point. There’s no way you always have stuff going on Friday mornings. |
9:51 |
: We record a podcast almost every Friday morning from 8-9am |
9:51 |
: As typically happens with every goodbye, it stretches longer than it ought to |
9:52 |
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9:53 |
: For one thing, it’s hard to create a rule in the first place. How do you define a shift? Do you draw a line out from home plate, intersecting second base? Even if you did that, teams would still shift right up to the line |
9:54 |
: And for another thing, I don’t know if you’ve been reading Russell Carleton’s recent work at Baseball Prospectus, but there’s compelling evidence to suggest that, overall, the shift hasn’t actually…worked |
9:54 |
: Now, it’s changed the game, certainly, but BABIP has hardly moved, and where the shift takes away some singles, it apparently replaces them with increased walks |
9:54 |
: No evidence I’ve seen to suggest that great defensive plays have been reduced. They’re just different |
9:55 |
: If there’s a problem, it’s strikeouts. Reduce strikeouts and you get a lot of baseball back |
9:55 |
: Happy Friday! Thanks for the chat. What’s your outlook on Pomeranz? He had a couple good starts, but in general has looked pretty abysmal. Think he turns it around like he did last year if/when healthy? |
9:55 |
: Very difficult pitcher to trust to remain healthy |
9:57 |
: I like his actual talent, and his curveball is special, but this year he hasn’t thrown his usual stuff. Higher risk than most |
9:57 |
: How popular is THE BOARD now? While I’m really enjoying reading your many articles, THE BOARD gives me another reason to come to fangraphs. |
9:57 |
: I love THE BOARD |
9:57 |
: Kiley and Eric are so wonderful |
9:57 |
: at what point will hand gestures to the dugout after every base hit stop being a thing? |
9:58 |
: It’s probably just habit now, like basketball players giving muted low-fives between free throws |
9:58 |
: Remember though, those things aren’t for us. They’re for them. Group dynamics are always a little weird-looking when you yourself are not a part of the clique |
9:59 |
: Happy Friday Jeff! Looking for your take on Jose Martinez and his lack of pop (HR yesterday aside). Is this who he is? Projections are more bearish.. |
9:59 |
: Compared to last year, Martinez is making more contact but hitting more grounders. His wRC+ has gone from 135 to 135 |
10:00 |
: I don’t doubt his ability to hit for power. But I think he can only play to one strength at a time |
10:00 |
: I’m convinced that the best option for the Yankees is Tyson Ross. I don’t think Cashman has the appetite to give up more than one top-tier prospect, and think he would need to to get someone like deGrom. I also think he is (or should be) comfortable with a playoff rotation of Sev/Tanaka/Gray which means the acquisition would only need to help get him there. What kinda package are we looking at? I’m thinking similar to, but a bit more valuable than what we gave for Garcia last year – 2 interesting SP candidates in AA/AAA? |
10:01 |
: Pretty good chance Ross ends up the best starting pitcher available at the deadline. You could argue for Hamels or Happ, but Ross is compelling, and I remain unconvinced the Mets will *actually* sell on one of their aces |
10:02 |
: Ross will bring back more than Garcia, because Ross is someone you might actually want to start a few times in the playoffs. But we’re still talking about a non-premium package. Better than the Garcia return, but not by a whole lot |
10:02 |
: Jeff – Ross Stripling mentioned that he focuses on throwing the ball where batters don’t pull the ball over 100 MPH. In today’s game where singles matter less and less, is there something to his idea or is it just simple scouting? |
10:03 |
: Just a different way of saying he’s pitching to cold zones instead of hot zones |
10:03 |
: I would worry about the sample sizes he’s dealing with, but I trust the Dodgers to provide him with worthwhile information |
10:04 |
: What’s notable about this is that many times, pitchers say they just pitch to their own strengths. Stripling seems to be saying he’s pitching to opponent weaknesses. Not sure how much better that actually makes him, but he’s open-minded, and not obnoxiously stubborn |
10:04 |
: Very very smart player |
10:05 |
: Two parter short term/long term on Strasburg. Any cause for concern with the forearm (even non-throwing)? And have we seen his peak or does he ever find another gear and hit the Scherzer/Kershaw/Kluber/Sale tier? |
10:06 |
: I’m not worried about what’s happening in Strasburg’s non-throwing arm. As long as it’s attached, he’s okay |
10:08 |
: Meanwhile, since the start of last season, Strasburg is 9th among starters in WAR, 8th in FIP-, and 8th in xFIP-. 6th in ERA-. 7th in K-BB% |
10:08 |
: I know it’s possible he could be better than this, but this *is* peak Strasburg. He is extremely good at pitching |
10:09 |
: What are the Mets doing with Reyes, AGON etc. shouldn’t they at least see what they have with Cecchini, Dom Smith? It’s infuriating. |
10:10 |
: Smith and Cecchini have been basically average hitters in Triple-A. It’s not exactly as if they’re beating down the door |
10:10 |
: Cecchini also wouldn’t have a regular position, for now, and the Mets believe that things are complicated with Reyes because of his history with the franchise |
10:11 |
: Given that Reyes is terrible, I, personally, wouldn’t overthink this. But let’s re-visit their situation in a month. Lots of season left |
10:11 |
: Do you find reasons for players rising or declining more interesting to research and write about? |
10:12 |
: The former. I feel kind of bad about the latter |
10:12 |
: Granted, that is a bias that I have |
10:13 |
: Its time for the Nats to start preparing for a Murphy-less second half, yeah? |
10:15 |
: Absolutely, they should have such an emergency plan. This doesn’t sound very good |
10:18 |
: Hi Jeff! Is Sean Manaea this bad? What has changed that made him so terrible after April, or is it just a bad month’s run? |
10:19 |
: So, sorry for the delay, but I was digging into this |
10:20 |
: Manaea, indeed, has seen his performance drop off dramatically since April |
10:20 |
: The stuff, though, seems basically the same. Nothing has really changed about his movement or release point |
10:20 |
: The secondary stuff just flat-out hasn’t worked. And it’s probably related to the fact that since the start of May, Manaea’s average slider has been three inches higher than before, and his average changeup has been four inches higher |
10:21 |
: Something has happened that’s prevented him from so effectively burying his soft stuff. When those pitches are up, they’re hittable |
10:21 |
: He’ll straighten it out, but this is why Manaea is more talented than great |
10:22 |
: Eugenio Suarez is the player with the most trade value that will be traded this summer. True or False. |
10:22 |
: Why would the Reds trade a player they literally just locked up? |
10:22 |
: Now I know that’s sort of what the Padres are looking to do with Brad Hand, but this is different. Suarez is staying put. No sense getting involved in that third-base market anyway |
10:23 |
: Steve Duggar is starting to hit in AAA. Do you think Giants promote him soon? |
10:23 |
: Gorkys Hernandez, by some miracle, has actually hit pretty well, so this situation isn’t desperate, but I do think we’ll see Duggar sooner rather than later |
10:24 |
: If #CatcherGifs was still a thing Salvador Perez’s reaction to Olson’s bomb yesterday would make a fine entry |
10:24 |
: PitcherGifs and CatcherGifs were always so much fun. Maybe in time I’ll get to do them again if MLB is going to chill out about twitter clips |
10:25 |
: Yankees fans seem shocked to discover that other teams aren’t going to hand over their best pitcher for a collection of third tier prospects. What’s more likely: They give up significant assets (think Andujar, not Frazier) for a frontline starter or settle for, say, Tyson Ross, and hope for the best? |
10:25 |
: Ross. They’d be stupid to trade someone like Miguel Andujar |
10:25 |
: Hey Jeff. When do you think we see Vlad Jr. up with the Jays. Weeks? Months? Please don’t say only in September 🙁 |
10:25 |
: Well, the DL stint doesn’t help |
10:27 |
: They’re still going to want him healthy and they’re still going to want him to see at least a little of Triple-A. I’d think August at the earliest, after Donaldson is potentially traded |
10:29 |
: Jose Osuna continues to hit in AAA. Josh Bell has been less than reliable. Why don’t the pirates promote Osuna to give Bell a rest? |
10:30 |
: ZiPS and Steamer still both consider Bell the superior hitter |
10:30 |
: Remember that, just last year, Osuna batted 227 times with the Pirates and posted a 78 wRC+ |
10:30 |
: Which isn’t to say that Bell hasn’t gotten worse and Osuna hasn’t gotten better, but it’s not so cut and dry |
10:31 |
: They’re probably in the early stages of thinking about a swap. So Bell should try to improve quickly if he wants to keep his job |
10:31 |
: Shouldn’t the Padres take a break from their decade-long rebuild and try to compete this year? San Diego fans deserve a little happiness. |
10:31 |
: Last thing a fifth-place team ought to do is trade valuable future assets to try to make the wild-card game |
10:32 |
: I know the NL West looks bizarre this season. I know the Padres are technically in the hunt. But they are not good. This is far more about the Diamondbacks and the Dodgers |
10:32 |
: Which Mariner from the 116 Win team in 2001 would be the best addition to this team? |
10:32 |
: You mean then or now? |
10:33 |
: Then, Ichiro |
10:33 |
: Now, Ichiro |
10:34 |
: Greetings! I represent the hundreds nay thousands of trolls who terrorize Dan Szymborski with questions about Nick Markakis. I will now focus my efforts on you. Unlike poor, pathetic Dan, you may choose the instrument of your torture. Name a single player who will be mentioned, asked about, and unduly praised over the next two seasons until you are reduced to gibbering in the fetal position on the floor by your desk. Might I suggest Eduardo Escobar. |
10:34 |
: Or Eddie Rosario. The choice is yours! |
10:34 |
: Tyler Chatwood, am I right? Like… Wow. |
10:34 |
: Turns out there’s more to pitching than spin rate |
10:35 |
: What should Nationals do when Eaton is ready to play? Who doesn’t get regular playing time? Is it Soto, the best Nats OF right now or is it Taylor their best defensive CF who has done well lately at the plate or is it Harper who has had rough time for about two months now? |
10:36 |
: I think you start with a lot of Eaton/Soto/Harper outfields, that become Soto/Taylor/Harper outfields in the later innings |
10:37 |
: And if or when Soto hits the wall, you can send him back to the minors. But for now he’s too good to demote |
10:38 |
: Chris Davis contract-worst in the game? Worst in history? |
10:39 |
: Even after this year, Davis is due 4/$92 million, while Pujols is due 3/$87 million, and a bunch of Davis’ money is deferred |
10:41 |
: And remember that Ryan Howard got a $125-million contract for 2012-2016 |
10:41 |
: Over that span, he was worth -1.6 WAR |
10:42 |
: This is terrible, but this is not unprecedented |
10:42 |
: Great contract for Chris Davis! |
10:43 |
: Obviously the line was… not good, but did you see anything positive or of note in Beeks debut? |
10:44 |
: Every fastball was up, every changeup was down |
10:44 |
: Very Red Sox style performance |
10:44 |
: I think the fastball and changeup profile well together, based on movement, but moving forward, Beeks probably isn’t going to want their locations to be so dramatically separated |
10:44 |
: In other words, bring the fastball back down a little bit |
10:47 |
: It’s June 8th and Joc Pederson is rocking a 133 wrc+ and… a 14% walk rate? Is he going to be a star again in a completely different way? |
10:48 |
: Contact rate is the same as last year. Chase rate is the same as last year. Zone rate is actually *higher* than last year |
10:48 |
: For what it’s worth, the query has a typo — Mike means strikeout rate, not walk rate |
10:50 |
: I think there are some encouraging things here, but as recently as one week ago, Pederson’s wRC+ was 98, and he had one home run. He still doesn’t do anything against lefties. I’m not at all sold he’s a complete player |
10:52 |
: Do most injured players travel with the team? |
10:53 |
: Often, DL guys stay home when the team is on the road. But there are plenty of exceptions |
10:55 |
: Is Tim Anderson good or just dangerous this year? |
10:55 |
: I have trouble actually trusting his walk rate, given how often he still chases |
10:56 |
: And he’s mostly beaten up bad pitching. .808 OPS against teams under .500, .674 against teams .500 or better |
10:57 |
: But he’s a better player, and he’s obviously in a better place. It’s a slightly positive development |
10:58 |
: Per your article, the Indians have one of the most team-friendly offensive strike zones. Does that make their early season offensive woes that much worse? The way I interpret it (which may be incorrect), they’ve been ‘gifted’ several strike calls, and they’re still struggling at the plate. |
10:58 |
: The Indians are sixth in baseball now in wRC+ |
10:58 |
: They’re third in home runs |
10:59 |
: They were worse in April, but a lot of that was just BABIP noise |
10:59 |
: Lindor! Ramirez! Brantley! The Indians are doing just fine |
11:00 |
: How can you judge a manager of a team when the organization is in tank mode? I ask because it seems to me that the padres young players dont seem to be progressing at the ML level under Green. Is that knock on him as a manager or are these players considered to be AAAA players? |
11:01 |
: The Padres are on a 73-win pace. They were projected to win 72 games, and they haven’t had Dinelson Lamet or, mostly, Wil Myers |
11:02 |
: I don’t think player development at the major-league level comes down to the manager. I think you just judge how well such a manager is able to keep the team together and focused and energized over the course of six long months |
11:02 |
: A guy like Green is just there to experiment with some things and try his damnedest to promote a sense of cohesion |
11:03 |
: The other coaches are tasked with making the players better at their jobs |
11:03 |
: Are RBIs a predictor of really anything? |
11:03 |
: They’re loosely correlated with a bunch of numbers, because it’s mostly good hitters who rack up good RBI totals |
11:04 |
: Tell me nice things about Ketel Marte breaking out |
11:04 |
: 118 wRC+ over the past month |
11:04 |
: It’s something |
11:04 |
: 40% hard-hit rate |
11:04 |
: Did you officially take Dave’s job? Or who did? |
11:05 |
: Carson is technically the managing editor. So in title, Carson has Dave’s job. In responsibilities, it’s been spread around |
11:05 |
: Do you have a favorite Olympic Peninsula hike? |
11:05 |
: Haven’t been up there as much as I’d like but a few weeks ago we did Mt Ellinor in maybe the last weekend there was enough snow/ice to make it fun |
11:06 |
: Best glissade I’ve ever had |
11:06 |
: That’s gone for this year, with the changing of the seasons, but it’s still a worthwhile summit even when the snow is mostly gone |
11:07 |
: What’s wrong with my boy Rafael Devers? |
11:07 |
: It’s weird — compared to last year, his problem this year has been hitting *lefties* |
11:08 |
: But all his Statcast metrics are more or less unchanged. His xwOBA has actually improved, from .301 to .314 |
11:10 |
: Any reason why Yangervis Solarte perennially runs low BABIPs? |
11:10 |
: Hits a lot of pop-ups |
11:10 |
: Isn’t fast |
11:11 |
: That’ll do it |
11:11 |
: How much water does the Chris Davis ship take on before the O;s decide to abandon ship? |
11:11 |
: It would be a lot worse if the Orioles were playing for something |
11:11 |
: As is, based on their window and based on their personnel, they can give him a longer leash. No team ever likes to eat tens of millions of dollars |
11:13 |
: Would a player that signed after going undrafted this week come with the normal amount of team control? |
11:13 |
: Yep, it’s all the same |
11:14 |
: Kirby Yates was signed as an amateur free agent. Last winter he and the Padres avoided arbitration |
11:14 |
: Is it possible for a player to have too low of a strike out rate? |
11:14 |
: The Twins seem to believe Willians Astudillo must have too low of a strikeout rate |
11:15 |
: In theory, you could never strike out if you just took horrible swings and made lousy contact. That would be pointless |
11:15 |
: How are foul tips handled in as far as contact and swinging strikes are concerned? |
11:15 |
: I believe they’re always grouped with regular swinging strikes |
11:15 |
: That’s certainly how I look at them |
11:15 |
: If Ohtani went to arbitration, would both his hitting and pitching stats count for him? |
11:15 |
: I don’t know why they wouldn’t |
11:15 |
: Fun case! |
11:16 |
: What is the best part of your day? |
11:16 |
: Closing my computer |
11:16 |
: Like right now! It’s time to get rolling |
11:16 |
: So thank you everybody for hanging out, and I’m sorry for what I didn’t or couldn’t address. We’ll do it again next week at the same time, and until then, be well and have great days |
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
What if… Orioles bundle both Machado with Davis and take next to nothing back. Would there be teams that are so in need of Machado they gamble on Davis contract that he comes up from the water?
No chance