Lance Lynn as the Next Max Scherzer
Lance Lynn first received a rotation spot in 2012 when St. Louis’s then-ace Chris Carpenter went down in Spring Training. Lynn inherited the rotation spot vacated by Carpenter, but did not inherit his role as staff ace, into which Adam Wainwright stepped after missing 2011 while recovering from Tommy John surgery. The Cardinals have once again lost their ace, with Adam Wainwright out for the season because of an Achilles injury. This time, Lance Lynn, secure in his spot in the rotation and current de facto ace, appears poised to drop the de facto qualifier and be one of the top ten pitchers in all of baseball.
As Jonah Keri wrote yesterday, not much was expected of Lynn when he was drafted, but over the last year he has been one of the better pitchers in the National League. The Cardinals tweaked Lynn’s delivery in the minors, instructing him to move his hips more to gain greater leverage towards the plate. The moves helped Lynn throw in the mid-90s out of the bullpen in 2011, and kept his fourseam fastball in the 92-93 mph range as a starter. Lynn has been solid and durable, but not spectacular, as a starter over the past three seasons slotting behind Adam Wainwright. In the early part of this season, he has taken a step forward, mirroring the career of Max Scherzer.
Cardinals fans are well acquainted with Scherzer, who is from St. Louis and attended the University of Missouri. Scherzer has always been good, but he was not great until his fourth full season as a starter. Scherzer and Lynn were both college pitchers drafted in the first round, with Scherzer going 11th in 2006 and Lynn going in the supplemental round at 39th in the 2008 amateur draft. Both players got their first extended exposure as starters when they were 24 years old, although Lynn’s birthday in May comes three months ahead of Scherzer on the calendar, making 2012 Lynn’s age-25 season and his first as starter while Scherzer’s 2009 season is his age-24 year. The two pitchers were remarkably similar in the their first three years of starting, and Lynn has matched Scherzer’s fourth season this year.
| Scherzer IP | Lynn IP | Scherzer K% | Lynn K% | Scherzer BB% | Lynn BB% | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Year 1 | 170.1 | 176.0 | 24 | 24 | 9 | 9 |
| Year 2 | 195.2 | 201.2 | 23 | 23 | 9 | 9 |
| Year 3 | 195.0 | 203.2 | 21 | 21 | 7 | 8 |
| Year 4 | 187.2 | 41.1 | 29 | 29 | 8 | 8 |
Both players lost their spots in the rotation briefly early in their respective careers. Scherzer was sent down to the minors in 2010; Lynn, to the bullpen in 2012 ahead of the playoffs. In their first three seasons starting, Lynn’s 9.9 WAR slightly outpaced Scherzer’s 8.7 WAR, and both pitchers had similar trouble against left-handed hitters.
| v. LHH (Year 1-3) | BA | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Max Scherzer | .259 | .335 | .434 | .338 |
| Lance Lynn | .254 | .357 | .410 | .340 |
The reason for the slightly different WAR numbers during those seasons could be due to the number of left-handed hitters each pitcher faced. Scherzer faced off against a lefty 54% of the time during those first three years while Lynn only went up against 46%, a situation that is not likely to change, as Jeff Sullivan noted in the offseason. There was some hope that Lynn had improved against left-handed hitters last season when his walks went down slightly and the slugging percentage against dropped significantly. Indeed, he has struck out more left-handed hitters this season, with seven of his nine strikeouts in his last start against Cleveland coming against lefties and 21% of lefties overall, but his walk rate and wOBA against are right in line with his career averages. Mostly, Lynn has made his improvements thus far by moving from merely excellent to absurdly dominant against right-handed hitters.
Lance Lynn’s 1.57 FIP against righties so far this season is more than half a point below second-place Rubby de la Rosa. Lynn’s 38% strikeout rate is behind only James Shields (just ahead of Max Scherzer), and his strikeout- and walk-rate differential of 34 points is the best in the majors. Lynn’s fastball has been very effective this year, and only Bartolo Colon and Jarred Cosart have thrown a higher percentage of fastballs this season. Including Lynn’s sinker and cutter in addition to his fourseam fastball, he throws a hard pitch roughly 90% of the time. Against righties, Lynn has located his fastballs better than he ever has in his career.
From 2012 to 2014, if damage was done against his fourseam fastball, the pitch was generally inside and low. Here is a chart showing Lynn’s slugging against his fourseam fastball to right-handed hitters during his first three years starting, from Brooks Baseball.
Note the red areas occupying basically the entire inner half of the chart and all the slugging figures in the .500 to .700 range.
Now here is Lynn’s whiff rate map on the fourseam fastball to right-handed hitters over the same time period, again from Brooks Baseball.
It is somewhat incredible that Lynn can throw a fastball right down the middle of the plate and get a swing and a miss 17% of the time. Low and inside on the fastball does not work well for Lynn against right-handed hitters, but if he goes up or away, he gets great results.
With that in mind, consider this next chart, also from Brooks Baseball. These Lynn’s fourseam fastballs to right-handed hitters so far this season.
What Lynn has done so far this season is to avoid the danger zone on the inside and low portions of the chart — and gotten good results in the process, like on this fastball to Jayson Werth.
Lynn appears to miss his target, but Werth cannot catch up to the fastball up in the zone. Hitters cannot crowd the plate only looking for outside pitches because Lynn uses his sinking fastball around 20% of the time, and against right-handers it goes almost exclusively to the inside part of the plate. Here it is against Ian Desmond.
Lynn is not without his concerns. As a workhorse, Lynn has gone roughly six innings per start throughout his career and done the same so far this season, but if he is to hit 220 or more innings — a figure the Cardinals need after losing Wainwright — he will need to consistently pitch seven innings per game. Unlike Scherzer, as well — who improved against left-handed hitters in his fourth season — Lynn has yet to do that consistently. Finally, one must acknowledge that Lynn has also gotten off to hot starts before. After seven starts last season, for example, his strikeout rate was 25.4%, but then only 19.7% for the rest of the season. The same was true in 2013: after seven starts, he’d produced a strikeout rate of 27.0%; after that, only 22.1%.
If Lynn backslides slightly on his strikeout rate again this year, he will retain his workhorse designation, which is an achievement unto itself, but right now he looks like an ace. The ZiPS updated projections have Lance Lynn slotted ahead of Chris Sale, Matt Harvey, Zack Greinke, Jon Lester, Gerrit Cole, and Johnny Cueto. In the National League, he’s behind only Max Scherzer, Clayton Kershaw, Madison Bumgarner, and Jordan Zimmerman. If he can keep mirroring Max Scherzer, Lynn’s designation of “de facto ace” will rightly have a few words edited from it.
Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.





Fully engorged right now.
Another Craig Edwards puff piece on the Cardinals.
Yawn.
Since the regular season started, we’ve had one for Lance Lynn, one for Matt Carpenter, one for Carlos Martinez, and one on the Starting rotation. Not to mention two articles with a “meh” tone regarding the Pirates.
I could have sworn I typed in Fangraphs.com, but somehow I ended up at Viva El Birdos…
Why wouldn’t they post about the birds? Only the best team in baseball
Uh, in case you didn’t notice, the guys Edwards has been writing about are really, really good, which generally makes them interesting subjects for articles. You’d rather he wrote about Jorge de la Rosa and his 9.56 ERA (and 3.33 FIP)?
Methinks I detect a bit of the green-eyed monster here.
I totally agree with Ellis. You would think Craig is the cardinals’ beat writer with how often his articles are about them. No one is saying that the Cardinals don’t have good players; it doesn’t mean he should write almost exclusively about them.
Eh, I’d rather read what Craig has to say about the Cardinals than other writers on this site…and I’d rather read what other writers have to say about non-Cardinals players than what Craig does.
Re: Cool Lester Smooth
I can understand that, I guess. I’m gonna just ignore every article he writes from now on, personally.
“Almost exclusively”? Utter nonsense. Go through Craig’s articles since he became a regular here (easily done using the Authors column at the side of the page) and count how many are about Cardinals players. It’s a small fraction.
Craig’s most recent articles: Kipnis, bullpens, Salazar, Folty, DH/salaries, Trout, Matt Carpenter, Attendance, Utley, Red Sox, Pederson, Bolsinger
you were saying?
Singling out Craig is lunacy. He’s rarely an unabashed cardinal fan and its not like fangraphs always writes articles about the Cards. In fact if it wasn’t for Craig’s posts we would hear even more people whine about another fangraph article on Boston, As, Chicago, Kris Bryant hit a sac fly etc… Leave Craig alone geez. Just because he’s not jaded about his favorite team like Sullivan and Cameron (who still get accused of being homers) does not mean his articles are bad. If you just don’t like the Cardinals there is enough articles from Blengino that are not as nice(not saying he hates the cards) but he basically was downing Adams, Craig and anticipating decline which is normally correct although I think he’s wrong on Adams.
I would much rather read viable and justified great information, even if its from a select few players or a team, if he keeps turning out great stuff after time, the cards are a great team in the National League and even the major leagues,. and I have to admit although I’m not a huge fan of the NLx it always seems to be great analysis. if you don’t like the headline I suggest you click on other stuff. Like home run tracker
Sorry guys, I was mistaken.
I intended to thank Craig for his valuable content for which I pay nothing but spend quite a bit of time enjoying. Somehow I fat-fingered the keyboard and accidentally wrote an ignorant, ungrateful and very childish post instead.
p.s., Also, I sometimes post under the nom de plume “Joe” — please ignore those as well
Cool names notice: his full name is, in fact, “Lancelot”.
One would think a name like that would fare well in a tournament of baseball names, should such a thing ever happen.
FWIW, B-R lists his full given name as Michael Lance Lynn.
Lance Lynn is the personification of why the Cardinals are the best run org in baseball. The ability to churn out above average major league regulars, both position players and pitchers, is the most valuable thing in baseball and allows them to contend annually without having rebuilding periods. John Jay, Matt Carpenter, Kolten Wong, Matt Adams, Carlos Martinez, Lance Lynn. All of these guys over the last 3-4 years, and all are valuable major league players. No other org comes close without having to suck for 4-5 seasons to accumulate top draft picks.
Whatever it is they are doing in their drafting/development, they are doing it better than 29 other teams.
Jesus Christ, there’s one of you in every Cardinals article. I like the redbirds alright but give it a rest.
please post when it is acceptable to talk about the Cardinals, and perhaps offer a suggestion what teams we should talk about now.
Name another org that produces major league regulars better than STL?
Some of that is that the Cardinals rarely trade their prospects. Teams that do trade them will never get credit for “producing” as many major leaguers even though they may have acquired similar value (or more) via trade.
the nationals
It helps to play in a crappy division and League lo these past 15 years.
I live in Mo and hear this crap all the time. You would think they would have more WS or division titles over the last decade than they do.
I’m pretty sure they’re the most successful team in baseball both regular season and postseason, over the past 10-15 years. Being really good at player development /=/ annual WS championships.
Have they won the most WS in the last 10-15 yrs? no The most division titles? no The most playoff appearances? no.
Since 2000, the Cardinals have averaged 91 wins, making the playoffs 11 times, making four World Series and winning two.
The Yankees have averaged 95 wins, making the playoffs 12 times, making four World Series and winning two.
Since 2005, it’s 89 wins, 7 playoff appearances and 2 WS wins for the Cardinals, and 93.5 wins, 7 playoff appearances and 1 WS win for the Yankees, along with 88 wins, 5 playoff appearances and 2 WS wins for the Red Sox, 90.5 wins, 5 playoff appearances and 0 WS wins for the Angels, and 87.5 wins, 5 playoff appearances and 1 WS win (in 2 appearances) for the Phillies.
So they’re in a group at the top, and they’re the lowest budget team in that group, but they’re not “the most successful team” over the past 10 or past 15 years.
I would say that their comparative lack of budget makes them the frontrunner for “best-run team,” though.
I’m a Cardinals fan and I’m so tired of hearing this shit all the time, too. It’s ridiculous.
The ZiPS updated projections have Lance Lynn slotted ahead of Chris Sale, Matt Harvey, Zack Greinke, Jon Lester, Gerrit Cole, and Johnny Cueto. In the National League, he’s behind only Max Scherzer, Clayton Kershaw, Madison Bumgarner, and Jordan Zimmerman.
I am not trading any guy on that list for Lance Lynn. As far as ZIPS goes there is another guy Lynn slots in behind on the UPDATED zips list and that’s Wainright.
I thought the same thing.
Cueto/Harvey/Sale/Cole/Greinke… I’ll take those five everyday of the week over Lynn. I’m not sure anyone would consider moving any of those five for Lynn.
Lester maybe.
Which team is 2nd, behind the Yankees, in total franchise World Series titles? Answer: St. Louis Cardinals. They’re doing something right, and have been for quite a while.
They did create the concept of a farm system.
I thought the Yankees did.
I mean, you can’t tell me that the Royals weren’t a Yankees farm team in the 50s and 60s.
He means before that. Rickey invented the modern farm system by buying teams and getting them to develop players for them. Before teams would buy players from minor league teams that were independent like Lefty Grove. This was done in the late 20s and largely responsible for the Cardinal teams in the late 1920s on. Jim Bottomley is a product of the farm system concept.
We certainly can, since the Royals weren’t founded until 1969.
Me thinks you are unaware that the KC referred to as a Yankee farm team is the KC Athletics. Before they moved to Oakland.
Yup. You’re right, and I’m an idiot.
Why does this have to come up in every damn cardinals article?
They aren’t covered any more than, even substantially less than in some cases, the dodgers or nationals or Red Sox or As or any other winning franchise. Just chill a bit people..
I’m not accussing of bias but I like when there are articles about teams other than New York, the Red Sox, the Nationals, the Dodgers, Tampa and the Cubs which are the majority of posts because they employ a lot of sabermetric centric techniques and info on them tends to be like a circus. This is a sabermetric site its going to have things that are interested in to sabermetric but bashing people for writing about any other teams even for their favorite team is ludicrious. A good portion of the writers here love the Rays or Cubs and I’ve rarely seen a comment OMG not another Kris Bryant article. Lynn’s progression has been interesting. He’s a guy Sabermetricists love because he wasn’t lauded. Hell he wasn’t even in the top 100. When a career innings eater starts to become much more then its worth noting. He aint’ Corey Kluber but he’s been one of the better starters in the last 3 years and arguably underrated. If you don’t like it just don’t read it.
20th in WAR since the start of 2012, I think even most Cardinals fans would be surprised to hear that. Very under-rated.
This piece only exists because Lance Lynn currently has 10 more strikeouts than we would have expected based on his history. The problem is that such divergences above or below the norm are common across small samples, and more importantly, there hasn’t been any actual improvement at reducing the rate of contact. Lynn’s 9.7% swinging strike rate is not appreciably different from his career mark of 9.4%. He’s also never had a season above 9.9% whereas Max Scherzer has only been below that mark once, at 9.6% back in 2010 with Detroit. If Lynn was missing more bats then I would be excited about a potential breakout, but that isn’t happening. His strikeouts are up because of a few more called strikes and some fortunate sequencing, not because he’s an appreciably different pitcher. This column is much ado about nothing.
Exactly. Scherzer’s WHIP has also declined significantly since 2011. Lynn’s has maintained itself.
yeah because WHIP is a relevant stat
Throw in his breakout 2.74 ERA from last year, and I’d say he is deserving of this article. Yes, his FIP was quite a bit higher, but such results are still a good sign that what he’s doing now is for real. He could be one of those guys who consistently outperforms his FIP due to all the ground balls he gets with his sinker when he isn’t striking guys out.
Why would you suggest that Lynn “could be one of those guys who consistently outperforms his FIP” when 2014 is the only time his ERA hasn’t been significantly higher than his FIP? Clearly he’s one of those guys who consistently underperforms his FIP. That also has nothing to do with the column, as I’m not disputing that Lynn is a good pitcher, I’m disputing that he’s gotten any better and that he resembles Scherzer in some way.
Great article, Craig!
Is anybody else getting auto-play video ads recently? I’ve always had Fangraphs white-listed on AdBlock Plus but not anymore, I don’t tolerate video ads with audio.
lol at all the Cardinals hate, us Cardinals fans love it by the way. Usually it starts later in the year but with the hot start the hate started extra early. No reason to strawman anyone, none of us (ok maybe a few but come on every fan base has idiots) actually think the Cardinals run of the success the last 10-15 years is unmatched, but we love watching a perennial contender, and said run of success is certainly note worthy.
Lynn is a previously very good pitcher who now shows signs of being great or very great. The article shares some analysis on why that might be. He’s also was a very overlooked pither even by Cardinals fans. It doesn’t really have to do with the Cardinals at all except for the obvious fact that he plays for the Cardinals. Haters just want to hate.
No one dislikes the Cardinals more than me, being a Mets fan, but come on. It’s just one article about Lance Lynn, and the numbers are pretty thought-provoking at that.
Well great,you can have Lynn on your fantasy team and I’ll gladly take Sale, Harvey, Cueto or Cole any day on mine.
Those number comparisons are insane! Totally blew my mind. Not sure why the discussion needed to devolve into “you have exceeded your Quota for Cardinals Articles, please deposit $.50″…
Were the stats used for comparison between Lynn and Scherzer adjusted for the fact that Scherzer’s years 2-4 were in a DH league, where Lynn’s were not? Not trying to be snarky, just trying to make sure that what I’m reading is a true comparison.
WAR is adjusted, strikeout and walk rate are not, although Schherzer did spend his first year in the NL.
I found your article fascinating, especially since Lance Lynn seems to have been unappreciated and under-rated since the days of his draft, and that STARTS with Cardinals fans themselves, who have griped and complained about LL literally throughout his ENTIRE career! For him to accomplish what he has – at his age – I already thought was incredible – but even I did not even suspect he would compare so favorably to Scherzer (who in comparison – only – would be OVER rated – only by comparison!). Thanks for the great research!