Let’s Find Rusney Castillo a New Home
Well, the Rusney Castillo era in Boston appears to be over before it ever really began. Signed to a six year, $72 million contract back in August of 2014, Castillo didn’t impress in his rookie season, and now, he appears to not have a job in Boston.
Brock Holt will start season as Red Sox primary LF against righties.
— Ian Browne (@IanMBrowne) March 29, 2016
With Chris Young around as an obvious platoon partner for Holt, the decision to start Holt in left field leaves Castillo without a path to any real playing time, as Mookie Betts and Jackie Bradley are both very good defenders in their own right, and so the team won’t even be in need of a late-game defensive replacement. And with Andrew Benintendi looking like the team’s left fielder of the future, this was going to be Castillo’s shot at holding down a regular job; he’s unlikely to ever get another real crack at it in Boston now, barring an unforeseen injury.
So it’s probably time Castillo to get a change of scenery. The Red Sox don’t need a $10 million fifth outfielder, Castillo won’t benefit from sitting on the bench, and while he has minor league options remaining, sending him to Triple-A apparently isn’t in the plans.
Holt starting again in LF, and could get nod Opening Day. But for those thinking Rusney might begin in minors was told 'not going to happen'
— Rob Bradford (@bradfo) March 27, 2016
That leaves a trade as the obvious solution, though Castillo’s contract — he’s due $56 million over the next five years — will be an obstacle for teams pushing up against their budgetary constraints. The Red Sox will likely have to eat some of the money or take back an overpriced contract to offset the money, but that should be doable. So with that said, let’s look at the best options to find Castillo a new home before Opening Day.
The fit here is so obvious that it almost feels too easy. The Padres rank 29th in projected center field production, with Melvin Upton expected to get most of the playing time as it stands right now. Upton performed decently as a role player last year, but that was driven mostly by a .348 BABIP; the underlying contact issues still make him a poor choice as an everyday player at this point in his career. And given that the Padres are not really contenders, they are better off using their at-bats in 2016 to look for guys with upside, and Castillo still flashes enough potential to look like a guy who could turn into a league average center fielder, or maybe even a bit above that if he learns to elevate the ball.
Upton would fit the backup CF role in Boston better than Castillo does; Castillo would fit as a starter on the rebuilding Padres better than Upton does. Swapping the two of them even works financially, as Upton’s also an underwater contract, with $32 million left on his deal over the next two years. While Boston probably wouldn’t want to swap the two contracts straight up — they’d only save about $25 million in a straight deal with no cash included — the Padres could cover the $5 million salary difference in 2016 and 2017, leaving the deal as budget-neutral until 2018, at which point San Diego would be on the hook for the remaining three years and $35 million left on Castillo’s deal.
Taking on $35 million in long-term guarantees, with no extra expense now, seems like a pretty easy move for the Padres. Even if they’re not huge fans of his skillset, they have the playing time opportunity to give him a chance to increase his own trade value, and if he continues to show elite defense while hitting a bit better than he did last year, they could potentially move him to a contender needing an outfielder later this summer. They’re not going to be able to dump a significant part of Upton’s contract over the next two years, but taking a bet on Castillo could give them a chance to either find their center fielder or facilitate the rehabilitation of his value, letting them clear some money off the books after he shows he can play in the big leagues.
Of course, there’s a risk that he continues to not hit, and then the team has taken on some additional dead money above and beyond what they have right now. But the Padres are in a position where there’s more benefit to taking risks than playing it safe, and this seems like a pretty clear opportunity for them to land a potentially useful player for little cost to the organization.
The only team to rate behind the Padres in projected 2016 center field value, the Brewers are in full-on rebuild mode, and are using the 2016 season to give playing time to a host of other interesting-but-flawed players. Keon Broxton looks like the team’s regular center fielder, so Castillo would almost certainly make the team better in the short-term, but the Brewers don’t really care about short-term production that much, and the cost difference between Broxton and Castillo might scare them off.
But as we saw with the Jean Segura trade, the Brewers are willing to take on some dead money in order to buy some future talent, so the Red Sox might be able to ship him to Milwaukee if they included a prospect of some value in the deal as well. I could see the Brewers being interested in guys like Sam Travis or Brian Johnson, who don’t have obvious futures in Boston, and if the Red Sox were willing to include one or both, perhaps the Brewers would take a majority of Castillo’s remaining deal while also sending a guy like Broxton back to help Boston maintain outfield depth for the short-term. But this feels like more of a stretch, and the kind of deal that a rebuilding team probably wouldn’t want to make right before Opening Day.
The Phillies have a decent center fielder in Odubel Herrera, but their right field situation is one of the biggest disasters in baseball. They just signed Will Venable after he was released by the Indians, and if you’re thinking about rolling with a guy who was deemed not good enough to crack Cleveland’s putrid outfield, you’re really scarping the bottom of the barrel. Like the two teams listed above, the Phillies aren’t really trying to contend this year, but they could and should do better than throwing at-bats away on guys who have no real chance of accruing value.
Money shouldn’t be a problem for the Phillies; their revenues are strong enough to support a top-tier payroll, and they could easily take on Castillo’s entire contract. Given that it will be difficult to get free agents to sign for market-price deals while the team tries to pull itself out of the ashes, taking on contracts like Castillo’s might be the best way for them to add talent in the short-term. And like the Brewers, they could probably try to extract a prospect or two to make the deal worthwhile from their perspective.
Of course, Castillo is probably a little less valuable in right field than he would be in center field, so there’s a bit less incentive for Philly to make this move than either San Diego or Milwaukee. But their financial position gives them a greater ability to take on money, so the relative cost to their budget would be lower. It’s at least something the team should explore.
As mentioned, the Indians outfield is pretty terrible — that a contending team is really planning on rolling out Rajai Davis, Tyler Naquin, and Marlon Byrd on Opening Day is stunning — but the team has passed up plenty of other opportunities to improve themselves over the winter, so there’s no real reason to think they’d change course and add salary now. Castillo should appeal to them, but they let Austin Jackson sign with a division rival for peanuts, so I wouldn’t count on it.
The Braves could also be a fit in a bad-contract swap, as they have Michael Bourn’s remaining two years to help offset Castillo’s deal, but with Ender Inciarte in center field, the team would have to acquire Castillo with the thought of using him in left field, which would move Hector Olivera back to third base. It seems a bit late in spring to be changing positions on him again, so I’d call that a longshot.
The Orioles could definitely use another outfielder, but they like the speed-and-defense package of Rule 5 pick Joey Rickard, and intra-division deals can be tricky to pull off. Maybe there could be a deal to be made with the team swapping Castillo for Mark Trumbo so they could have an actual outfielder in right, but I don’t know what Boston would do with Trumbo. It’s probably not a fit.
The Angels could use a left fielder, but they seem to have zero money to spend, given the other options they’ve passed up this winter. They should be trying to surround Mike Trout with as much talent as possible, but Arte Moreno apparently prefers to avoid the luxury tax, even if it means that they squander prime years of the best player in baseball.
The Reds could potentially get involved by offering Jay Bruce in a trade, since they’ve been trying to dump his contract all winter, and a Bruce/Chris Young platoon could be a useful left field tandem for the Red Sox, allowing Holt to move back into a super-utility role. But Castillo is only three months younger than Bruce, so swapping the two wouldn’t really help the team get any younger, and they’d have to take on some long-term money in order to make the trade. For a team that seems to be more interested in dumping money than anything else, Castillo probably doesn’t hold a lot of appeal.
In the end, the Padres seem like the path of least resistance. They have the need for a center fielder, a bad-contract outfielder to send back to make the trade work financially, and a GM who made a significant trade right before Opening Day last year. Other teams could make deals work as well, but Castillo for Upton seems to be the deal that makes the most sense. Given that the Padres might also be interested in Pablo Sandoval, the two team’s should already be talking, and perhaps there’s an even bigger deal here that would remake both team’s rosters right before the season. But even if they can’t come together on a big deal, simply swapping center fielders looks to make plenty of sense from my perspective.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
The mets have no money but after this year, if cespedes walks, we’re going to have, Conforto, Lagares, 37 year old curtis granderson and likely no outfield prospects with more than half a season of AA under their belt (and that’s only assuming Buccera impresses enough to get a mid season promotion this year). It probably wouldn’t work because of financials but maybe a swap of De Aza, who fills the back up role for them and Castillo would make sense. Castillo spends a year as a high priced back up then hopefully fills a hole going forward.
I should say in this scenario I’m assuming the red sox are eating a decent chunk of the contract.
you mean all of his contract.
But if they’re willing to eat the entire contract they can probably do better than De Aza or whatever from a team that has a more obvious 2016 fit than the Mets. And even for 2017 and beyond Castillo seems like such a Lagares-type player that it’s not entirely clear why the Mets would want two of them. Even setting aside the money issue, I don’t really see the fit that would drive the Mets to make this deal compared to teams like Philadelphia or the Padres who have an obvious need for Castillo.
but de aza is better than castillo.
Unless he really falls off a cliff this year, Granderson will probably be a better option next year than Castillo in RF. Granderson is coming off of a 5-win season, after all. So at that point, you’re looking at potentially one year as a 5th OF and one year as a 4th OF before he gets a starting job.
And Castillo looks like he’s pretty comparable to Lagares, who the Mets weren’t confident going into the season as their starting CF. Castillo is 1 1/2 years older actually, he’s coming off of a worse hitting season, he’s projected to be worse than Lagares, and he makes a lot more money. I don’t really see much of a fit.
To me, Castillo really only makes sense for a team that a) can dump a fairly large contract in a trade, and b) can put him into their starting lineup right away, to see what he blossoms into.
I doubt the Red Sox would trade Castillo for another backup outfielder just to save some money. Castillo’s contract is still long enough and cheap enough that there could still be value in it, even if he doesn’t come around with the bat. To be honest I’m not convinced Holt is better than Castillo in left.
With Castillo’s defense, he probably is a little more valuable. Not to mention it frees up Holt to play more 3B and 2B.
I agree that the Red Sox wouldn’t make that particular trade — or any other, really — to save money, especially this year.
I think Holt’s most valuable role is being a utility player. He can play nearly every position well and does so enthusiastically. That’s an enormous value to the team. He can start when anyone needs rest. I would assume his enthusiasm is a benefit in the clubhouse, too.
I doubt they’ll trade Castillo at all. Holt has always been exposed when asked to play every day. My sense is that Holt is the starter–at the moment.
First off, great article Dave.
The Jay Bruce deal got me too excited, so it probably won’t happen.
Now pertaining to the Padres, could they not make a deal happen around Castillo/Shields? Castillo is owed $56.5M and Shield has $65M. Maybe the Red Sox’ need for a good left-handed RP sends them down the Pomeranz route (I know the Pads just got him, but they make some strange trades).
“Castillo/Shields”
What a world we live in.
Oh Mr. Preller won’t you free us from a burdensome contract like your Padres forebears?
Throwing out a crazy proposal – Castillo and Panda to the Padres for some Icy Hot. SD takes on a good chunk of the salary.
Boston would do it so they can get out from both of those contracts. It also lets them move Hanley to 3b and put Shaw in at 1b.
SD would do it because it gives them options to potentially be maybe better at practically every position. Castillo has “potential”, so there’s that. Panda might be something like a starter level at 3b and Solarte can be a super-utility guy.
It doesn’t really seem 2016 Padres are going for it. Moving up 3-4 wins isn’t impactful enough to take on all that money. They would need something else coming alongside Panda/Castillo.
Sandoval has negative trade value. Castillo has somewhere between zero and slightly positive trade value.
Perhaps if Boston includes significant money and takes back Upton, SD has some reason to consider it. But if it’s going to cost that much, there’s little reason for Boston to do it.
Shauncore – my comment of “SD takes on a good chunk of the salary” was intended to be vague enough that at some point, it would be worthwhile for SD to pick up both guys for Icy Hot. For example, would SD want to add Castilloval for $2M/yr for the next 5 years? Sure. $25M/yr for 5 years? No. But there’s a dollar in there where it makes sense for the Padres to pick up both players for a framed picture of a San Diego sunset.
Tom – similar comment to you. Upton is clearly overpaid, but he still has some trade value. And your trade proposal would actually make a lot of sense to me – Sandillo + cash for Upton – from both sides. Boston gets rid of the headache that would come with benching a $90M mistake and $70m mistake, while adding a capable 4th OF. Boston would be out a ton of cash, but Boston has loads of that. That deal would be addition by subtraction. SD would do depending on the amount of money going back to them.
I agree the Padres are the most likely team to be on the receiving end of a Castillo deal, but it’s hard to imagine the Red Sox would take Upton as the return. I don’t think the Red Sox can be particularly confident in Brock Holt receiving the lion’s share of LF playing time. He has had stretches of being very productive but typically he regresses to where you’d expect an above average utility guy to be. He’s also the Sox only backup option in the middle IF. I can’t see the Sox installing him as the near-everyday LF for the season (the Browne tweet just says he’ll be out there to start the year). Benintendi isn’t close enough to pencil in for a mid-season call up. Marrero could come up and fill the 2B/SS backup duties, but not if that roster spot is consumed by Upton.
The Reds proposal outlined above may be unlikely, but I think a return of a Jay Bruce or someone that could fill that outfield role full time would be preferable.
I do wonder if there’s potential for a larger deal with Castillo/Sandoval for Shields, Solarte and possibly others with some cash going to the Padres. Something more dramatic like that might allow the Sox to gloss over the depth vacuum created in the OF. In such a deal, I do wonder why the Padres would be convinced that Sandoval’s ceiling is higher than Solarte’s, but as a Sox fan I wouldn’t complain either.
As a Sox fan I’d be thrilled if they could pull that off. More likely, they’d need to pay a lot of Castillo/Sandoval’s salaries AND take on Upton to make a deal like this.
There’s no reason for the Padres to do that.
If they could unload Upton, receive some cash from Boston, and get a prospect in the deal, then maybe Sandoval+Castillo for Shields makes sense. But even then, it’s probably not better than their other options.
Castillo for Ryan Braun
A lot of these proposals treat Castillo as if he’s an asset. He clearly is not. He may one day improve his performance enough to become an asset, but right now his value is sufficiently negative that it would require some kind of sweetener for any team to take the remainder of his contract in exchange for absolutely nothing in return.
He’s a 1.3 WAR in 350 MLB PA player. If you are playing him in CF you are probably getting a bargain on his contract.
Possibly, but that’s all defense-driven. At Castillo’s age, any improvement he might muster at the plate would probably be offset by a decline on defense.
So what you see might be his value ceiling, leaving nothing but downside risk relative to the money he’s owed.
The projections contextualise his defensive data and anticipate regression since the sample size is still too small to stabilise. The 50th percentile projections have him well under 1 war, which makes the contact a large expected negative. Four months from 29, with disappointing speed scores, his defense is set to likely regress even if his metrics accurately measured his defensive impact over the past 2 seasons. I expect 29 or so front offices view him as a negative asset, Boston included.
2/3 of that value came in a 10-game call-up in 2014, when pitchers hadn’t seen him and didn’t have a great scouting report. And based on the timing, I’m sure he saw his share of players that wouldn’t be on a normal roster. Heck, after looking at his game log, all of his offensive value in 2014 came from a 3-game stint when he went 7-11 with 2 HR (one off of sub-replacement Steve Geltz). Plenty of garbage players were able to put up an impressive weekend.
I think it’s glaringly obvious that he and his contract do not have positive trade value, which is reflected in near every proposal here, right? A return of BJ Upton and $10M for Castillo does not imply that Castillo is seen as an “asset.”
I think the point of this article and many of the proposals in the comments is that there’s still some question of what Castillo is, and because of that uncertainly the Red Sox could eat money or take back a bad contract to rid themselves of him, and another team with less to lose could benefit from giving him some run.
I think you may have missed the part where Dave had San Diego sending $10 million to Boston with Upton for Castillo.
Or I missed you outright saying that, lol. *facepalm* I will grant that the San Diego proposal was the least implausible of the suggestions, but I still don’t see why they would be interested in sending money with Upton for Castillo.
Haha. The rationale, I think, is that the Padres (and the Phillies in their example) are in the early stages of a lengthy rebuild and they can afford to 1) toss around a little bit of money as long as it has no long-term impact and 2) play Castillo every day for a year or two to see if he can be a player on their next contending roster.
Teams like the Padres and the Phillies will have trouble attracting free agents and acquiring talent without parting with the sort of prospects they need to contend. The one benefit a rebuilding team has is they can play wildcards like Castillo and see what they’ve got, and occasionally run into a productive player. There are a few fairly decent examples of this — immediately Carlos Pena and Ben Zobrist come to mind. Chris Davis, Jose Bautista, Edwin Encarnacion to a lesser extent, Collin McHugh… basically a big portion of the players that make up MLB rosters but were never prospects. They just found their way into playing time at the MLB level and turned out to be better than people thought.
Long-winded way of getting to the point — which is that Upton is a sunk cost for the Padres. They’d release him and pay all of the money but they have some use for a warm body. He has -5000 trade value (making up arbitrary numbers here). Castillo has -1000 trade value with his contract, say. When the Padres add some cash in the deal, it makes it a little more attractive for the Sox side. The complication is that the Sox not only don’t need Upton, but they probably need a better player for outfield depth. Castillo might not be that guy either though.
Except that Upton was significantly better than Castillo last season and is $27 million less expensive.
I’m not sure we can compare the 11th year of Upton’s career, which was spent as a 4th/5th outfielder, to Castillo’s first 300 AB, basically. Upton is a $15M backup with limited usefulness and no potential or upside. Castillo is an $11M prospect with disappointing returns thus far. He very well might be a .290 OBP guy with good speed and defense and a little pop. He might also be a .340 OBP guy with speed, elite defense and 20HR power. If the Padres are going to spend this kind of money for an OF roster spot, they’re better off trying Castillo, I guess.
How about Castillo and Panda for Shields and Upton? Sox may have to throw in some money, but this might be the best solution.
Money and a prospect. Panda and Shields are not similar in value.
Why would the Padres do this other than just to do Boston a favor?
Shields isn’t cheap but he’s projected to be a 3-win player in 2016 (per Depth Charts). Panda and Castillo combined aren’t projected to be worth that and they cost like $6M more in 2016. Upton stinks but he’s gone after 2017. Pablo and Castillo will be around until 2020.
Money isn’t really the issue here. The Red Sox would need to include prospectS.
Castillo to me is almost the perfect example of the overrating of the red sox the past few years.
Here we have a 28yr old player, whose career cuban numbers translated to a .650ish ops mlber, whose league average numbers in AAA and fall league translated to the same…..and whose MLB numbers have unsurprisingly turned out to be exactly that.
Much is made of upside and unknowns with Rusney but the funny part is that there have been no surprises here – we know what this 28yr old is because all his numbers and the majority of scouting reports say that this is what he is – a speedy defensive 4th OF type at the peak of his age curve.
Nobody wants to pay any money for that kind of player, let alone $60m.
The perspective on this player is just incredibly warped, simply because the much loved ex-boston FO thought he was worth a big investment.
Every proposal here involves offsets to his salary. Do you even read the articles or do you just have a word document full of Whiny comments ready to paste in every Red Sox article?
even the notion that Rusney Castillo is a notable enough player to even be worth brainstorming to “find him a new home” – that he’s interesting enough of a problem to consider creative ways to fix – speaks to my point.
he’s just one of countless speedy defensive 4th of/aaaa types in baseball. the fact that his contract could possibly be used to help pay down an incoming contract of a boston trade target is barely worth mentioning, as most teams would rather just throw in some money instead of taking on a longterm deal for this kind of player.
He isn’t interesting but you just wrote several paragraphs about his career. Ok.
I know this is basically shouting from the rooftop at this point but of course Castillo is interesting! A prominent team who often does rational things consistent with the philosophy of Fangraphs and its’ readership gave a Cuban mystery man a boatload of money (which is probably the real value of a speedy defensive 4th outfielder prospect type on an open market!) and then he’s mostly been a dud but might still be good — and even more noteworthy, the Red Sox are apparently acknowledging their investment was a flop and perhaps he’d be more successful elsewhere. And maybe he would be! That is fairly interesting and certainly what this site is about?
Why is Castillo “interesting”? Interesting in the sense that he was paid a bunch of money? Sure. Interesting as a trade target for anyone? I don’t see it. He was bad last year. He had a bad spring training. He’s never been good. He doesn’t project to be good. He’s nearly 29 years old. If he were a free agent what would he get? Dave’s Padres trade still has the Padres paying him $35 million, and the Red Sox not wanting to swap the contract straight up because they’d “only” save 25 million. What? Who would pay Castillo $25 million if he were a free agent? Dexter Fowler didn’t get $25 million, and Dexter Fowler is and projects to be much better. Austin Jackson is and projects to be much better and got $5 million. I would think if Castillo were a free agent, someone might bring him in on a contract worth 1-2 million. It’s not like he’s a prospect. His age puts him pretty much past his prime, and his prime was 0.8 WAR.
55 FV prospects (according to this site) are never “interesting.”
Castillo to me is almost the perfect example of the overrating of the red sox the past few years.
It bums me out to agree with this statement.
The Red Sox signed Castillo because they just missed out on Abreu the year before and Cherrington wanted to improve the rating on his beloved minor league system. Instead they just lit a ton of money on fire and threw a Panda bear into the bonfire, too….
I don’t doubt that Cherington was fond of Castillo. However, every piece I’ve ever read about how that acquisition went down indicates that the Sox ownership group was miffed at getting out-bid on Abreu, and wanted to ensure that the next potential Cuban talent coming down the pipe wouldn’t be missed. Considering how Castillo was viewed at the time of the acquisition (high floor, moderate ceiling center fielder with excellent defense, good speed, some power and an over-aggressive approach), the contract they gave him was a pretty good decision. At the time.
It’s clear that he hasn’t developed. Spring training numbers or no, injury or no, rusty or no, he’s probably as good as he’s going to get. This is his prime, right now. His defense is as good as reported, but his baserunning is very bad (and not due to speed issues) and neither his swing nor his discipline have evolved over the past year. He is what he is.
My guess, honestly, is that the Red Sox keep him. His contract isn’t really that expensive, relatively speaking, and he still has options, so it’s not like he’s blocking other players. His bat clearly isn’t good enough to be a starting left fielder, even with his defensive value, but he’s a perfectly serviceable bench piece (again, ignoring his contract). The Red Sox aren’t exactly overflowing with major league-ready outfield depth, and so a serviceable outfield bench piece isn’t exactly something they want to dump unless they can get an equivalent or better return. Either an outfielder with above-average offense and perhaps below-average defense, or a solid utility infielder who can play up the middle. I doubt they would *want* to find themselves in the latter case (since it turns Holt into a platoon starter, which is not ideal), so they might pass even if the option presents itself.
Most likely scenario: Castillo remains with the Red Sox and gets 300-400 PAs, backing up all three outfield positions but generally sitting behind Holt/Young, Bradley Jr and Betts on the depth chart.
you make a good point about boston’s OF depth – unless Benitendi comes on mookie-quick, they don’t have any OF depth at all beyond the mlb roster at the moment.
and what’s more, they even have only one legit starting mlb OF right now at all, so you’re right they benefit more from Rusney than most other teams would.
Bradley put up 2.4 fWAR in half a season last year. Most people would call that a legit starting MLB outfielder
not sure all that many people think one good half season makes someone a legit starter, actually.
Castillo is an almost perfect example of overvalued Red Juice for several years.
Here 28 old player, whose career as a Cuban face 650ish mlber translated into activities where the average in the AAA league and reflect this reduction … and it turns out that’s to be expected MLB.
It is used with the unknowns Rusnei but the interesting part is not surprising that we know what 28 years because all the phone numbers and special reports say that it was quickly trumped age of 4 players peak.
Nobody wants to pay for that type of player, much less than 60 million.
The opinions expressed in the music player of this highly distorted, simply because there are so many former love boston, FO I think it’s a great investment.
Sometime you really have to spill the beans on what machine-translation software you use to produce results this hilarrible.
“The Red Sox signed Castillo because they just missed out on Abreu the year before …” – probably true. Also true that with his contract he has negative value. But the point is that his value would be less negative (and might even turn positive) on a team that would start him in CF, so finding him a new home is worth discussing.
> I could see the Brewers being interested in guys like Sam Travis or Brian Johnson, who don’t have obvious futures in Boston[…]
Depending on how Travis Shaw works out, Sam Travis is almost certainly viewed by the Red Sox as their first basement of the future. Even if Hanley sticks defensively at first, he’s going to be moved to DH in 2017. Shaw might be superlative… and he might be a bench bat. Either way, it’s easy to trade one of them for value elsewhere after you know what you have (say, in 2017 when Shaw has a full season under his belt and Travis has shown what he can do in AAA).
As for Brian Johnson, I think his future probably depends a lot on if Owens can figure out how to throw strikes. He’s too valuable as a depth piece right now to unload, and even if planning on trading him, it would be far better to let him rebuild his value after last year’s injury. I think Dombrowski probably wouldn’t hesitate to unload him for the right deal, but I doubt he would be wasted as a throw-in to sweeten a Castillo salary dump.
I will dig a lovely tunnel out of your first basement of the future.
White Sox kind of make some sense. Especially if Boston eats some money. Sure he would be an overpaid 4th of but if Garcia doesn’t pan out at dh it might make sense to move melky to dh and Castillo to left or center if Jackson keeps declining. Castillo and 10 mil for like Jacob Turner might work. 5yrs/49 mil isn’t crazy when Mike pelfrey gets 2/16 in f.a.
5/49 for Castillo would be pure lunacy. Mike Pelfrey? How about an actual comparable guy in age and position, Austin Jackson. What did they get on the free agent market? Jackson’s like 5 months older than Castillo, and was worth 2.3 WAR last year, and signed for 1/5.
Jackson has declined the last 3 yrs and turned down better offers to play center, and how is anyone a comp to someone who took over a year off baseball and has 500 pa stateside. Its gambling on upside at not a crazy number, they paid melky last year to be a negative player, same as Garcia, so even if Castillo is only a 1 war 4th of that might be an improvement. Castillo if he improves can line up with their sale window as a moderate risk, moderate ceiling guy at a premium position.
Red Sox immediate need is SPing. so if they are going to look for an over priced contract to take on in order to get rid of Castillo its probably someone like Shields and not Upton.
Boy, has any manager ever had a worse 6 month stretch than Ben Cherington did from July 2014 until January 2015. Pablo, Hanley, Porcello, Craig, Castillo for Lackey, Cespedes and about 300 million (including Porcellos extension which came in March). Historically bad, have to go back to 1919 for Boston fans for anything that bad
To jump on the whole “overrated Red Sox prospect that no on should want” parade, I feel his untradability is still being underestimated. Any realistic proposal is just a pointless bad contract swap. Castillo is around the same age as Austin Jackson. Austin Jackson has been better and is projected to be better. Austin Jackson just signed for 1 year and 5 million. Why would anyone in their right mind take Castillo unless the Red Sox ate, not SOME, but like 95% of his contract? In which case, what’s the point for Boston? It’s not like he’s some 24-year-old guy you can hope on. He’s close to an age where he’s going to get worse, not better, and right now his current team thinks he’s worse than Holt and a guy’s who just signed for 2/13. Why the Padres would want to pay Castillo $35 million … I mean maybe the Red Sox would find someone to do this, but it would seem to be incredibly stupid, since you can sign guys like Austin Jackson and Chris Young for a fraction of the cost, and they are likely better than Castillo
I agree the Red Sox would have to eat almost all of Castillo’s contract to get anything back of value. It seems like the only way to make a deal like this is to take back an awful contract in return.
If the Padres are OK with waving the white flag on their 2015 experiment and getting on with a rebuild, what about Castillo and a spare prospect like Sam Travis for Kemp? I could actually see Kemp’s skill set being tolerable in LF at Fenway, and from 2017 forward he’d slot into Ortiz’s DH slot just fine.
But is there some reason anyone would think Castillo will be good at all? The projection systems don’t. The Red Sox clearly don’t. I mean that’s it, I don’t think even if they ate the whole contract they would still get anything back in value. Why would you give them something of value for Castillo even if you only had to pay Castillo league minimum for 5 years? Why wouldn’t you just sign someone who’s actually been ok like Marlon Byrd for a million bucks and a year if you’re looking for a short-term upgrade? I mean you only need one sucker so the Red Sox would be smart to shop him, and the Padres definitely are prime suckers, but i don’t see any rational GM being interested at all in him.
Why the hell would the Red Sox ever want to do this? Kemp has been worth 1.3 WAR the last 3 seasons combined. Castillo can easily match or exceed that with just his speed and defense alone, but they should give up a legitimate prospect as well? And have you forgotten about Hanley Ramirez? And even if Ramirez can stick at first base instead of being the future DH, why wouldn’t the Sox just use Sam Travis as the DH instead of trading him for a terrible player?
Kemp’s bat’s not dead. The whole premise here assumes Hanley can stick at 1B and that the Padres would only want to swap bad contracts if it’s for a guy with some upside.
And I’m not confident Castillo can exceed that WAR. At least not while playing sparingly – he needs to get regular playing time if there’s any hope of hitting his ceiling.
They think Holt and young offer more upside with the bat this year, because lf at Fenway is probably the spot in the majors that would be the biggest waste of a plus defender in the of. Castillo certainly offers more upside than Jackson.
The more I think about it, the more I think that Castillo’s new home will be the rightly part of the Red Sox LF platoon. Once Sandoval’s lack of range and/or worsened hitting become too painful to continue to play every day, Holt slides over to third and Castillo assumes a share of LF.
ETA for this is the last week of April.
And the Indians, their current options are being derided, but Naquin, Chisenhall, and Brantley of course, are all projected to be significantly better than Castillo. And Naquin is coming off a very opposite spring training than Castillo.
Chisenhall needs a platoon partner (which is why Byrd in in town) but he’s just keeping rf warm until Zimmer is even vaguely close to ready, which could be mid summer but more likely next may if service time rules don’t change.
Even if Dolan weren’t a cheapskate a deal for a marginal player with a 5-year deal isn’t in the baseball cards.
And Castillo is a weak side platoon player. Disregarding contract, I don’t see why the Indians would even want him. Castillo Age: 28 2015, 72 wRC+, 0.4 WAR in 80 games. Projected for 85 wRC+ and 0.9 WAR in 113 games.
Chisenhall: Age: 27 2015, 2.1 WAR, 80 wRC+. Projected for 97 wRC+ and 0.9 WAR in 100 games (if he actually hit that “well”, he’d be more valuable than that)
Naquin: Age: 24 actual prospect! Projected for 82 wRC+ and 0.7 WAR in 78 games. And while spring training doesn’t matter … had a 1.368 OPS in spring training compared to Castillo’s .502. Castillo’s an older Naquin who looks to be going in the wrong direction, basically
These proposals all seem very favorable for the Red Sox. Maybe the Phillies take him on because they can shrug off an awful contract like the Sox, but otherwise, why would anyone want to commit 5 years to Castillo? Realistically, Boston would need to pay most if not all of the salary to move him.
Even someone like the Phillies though. I feel like people are evaluating it like Castillo’s some 24-year-old prospect with long-term upside. He’s going to be 30 next summer. If you’re a rebuilding team, by the time you’re contending, Castillo’s in his 30s, and he wasn’t good when he was in his 20s. Makes the most sense for the Sox to hang onto him and hope he shows something to either claim a position in their outfield, or at least become someone teams would want to acquire
Yeah I just don’t see the upside of someone like the Brewers taking him on. By the time they are ready to contend next he would still be rostered, be 10% of their entire budget, and be a backup CF/5th OFer. Teams like the Brewers can only afford to take on extra budget like that when they plan on rebuilding like in the Segura trade.
If the Rusney Castillo and Melvin Upton contract are both underwater, wouldn’t a team prefer Upton’s shorter contract?
Each player remains under contract through his age 33 season, Upton for two years at $31.9 million and Castillo for five years at $56.5 million.
Some projections favor the unproven Castillo, who turns 29 this summer, but ZiPS projects Castillo with 0.8 WAR in 97 games and Upton, who is three years older, with 0.9 WAR in 112 games.
If I run the Padres I don’t trade Upton for Castillo straight up.
The Red Sox may have the largest collection of difficult-to-move contracts with Pablo Sandoval, Hanley Ramirez, Rusney Castillo, Allen Craig and Rick Porcello.
And that last sentence speaks volumes about the quality of their front office.
Which front office? They just revamped it. There are different guys making the decisions now.
In my math is correct, the Red Sox have committed precisely $300 million to Pablo Sandoval, Hanley Ramirez, Rick Porcello, Rusney Castillo and Allen Craig over a combined 18 seasons at an AAV of $16.66 million.
I suspect each of the five players would clear waivers today … or not.
Most teams have at least one bad contract, and the Red Sox have the resources to cover a few, but the luxury tax implications loom.
Why would the Padres want to pay 35 mil for a failed prospect? This is one of your poorer efforts Dave.
Would the Pad’s pay 30 mil for Matt Moore? Jurickson Profar? Mike Zunino? Dylan Bundy? There’s a lot of failed prospects out there who still have plenty of potential, but nobody thinks they are worth cutting a check for 35 mil for them.
David Peralta was a failed prospect. Pretty sure lots of teams would throw 5 years $35M at him.
Moore, yes. Profar, probably yes. Zunino no. Bundy, yes. Prospects and intriguing players don’t always develop linearly for any number of reasons. In the current market, $35M over 5 years is the going rate for a player a notch above replacement. Most of the failed top prospects you list (and Castillo) have a decent shot at 1 WAR being their floor with some potential for 3+ WAR seasons if they figure it out.
The only difference with Castillo is he was brought over as a Cuban signee rather than through the draft and received market value rather than a slot bonus and the ML minimum.
“Arte Moreno apparently prefers to avoid the luxury tax, even if it means that they squander prime years of the best player in baseball.”
Yes, and that’s just a terrible thing. He needs to trade Trout to the Dodgers for a pile of international prospects.
theres a couple other names that might make sense -not mentioned
Homer Bailey on the Reds.
Matt Garza on the Brewers.
Bailey & Bruce ?
Garza & Braun ?