Making a Stanton-to-LA Trade Work

In the next few days, it’s expected that Giancarlo Stanton will decide whether he’s going to waive his no-trade clause to join the San Francisco Giants or, less likely, the St. Louis Cardinals. Those are the two teams that have struck deals with the Marlins, and both made their pitch to him in person last week. Stanton has appeared to be holding out hope that the Dodgers would get into the mix, though to this point, no public reports have suggested they’ve seriously engaged the Marlins in discussions.

The Dodgers’ reticence likely has to do with their CBT tax position. Acquiring Stanton would put them over the tax threshold again, and, as I laid out in my argument for why the Dodgers should be interested, acquiring Stanton would probably force the team to choose between re-signing Clayton Kershaw or making a big run at Bryce Harper in free agency next winter. And according to Ken Rosenthal, the Marlins aren’t interested in taking back any current payroll in a Stanton deal, as they try to trim their 2018 player expenses to under $90 million.

But despite the Marlins’ apparent tunnel vision here, there still might be a way for both sides to get what they’re looking for, and it’s one of Friedman’s go-to moves: the three-way trade.

Since Friedman and Farhan Zaidi took over the Dodgers front office, they’ve made several of these multi-team deals, including the trade that brought Alex Wood (with ATL and MIA), while also facilitating the trade of Todd Frazier to the White Sox, inserting themselves as a conduit in the deal in order to swap out some prospects for other minor league guys they liked better. When there isn’t an exact fit between two clubs, this Dodgers front office has shown willingness to bring in a third party to make the deal work.

And since the Dodgers would probably want to free up some space under the luxury tax this year in order to acquire Stanton, but if the Marlins won’t take on short-term payroll, a third team could be quite useful here. And that facilitator could probably get themselves a pretty decent talent in exchange for helping the Dodgers clear some CBT money for Stanton.

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For instance, let’s take the Rockies. They’ve made it known they are looking for a catcher, and Jeff Bridich acknowledged at least an awareness of Yasmani Grandal’s availability. Grandal would be a nice fit in Colorado, giving them a significant upgrade over the worst projected catching tandem in baseball without requiring a multi-year commitment, in case they still believe long-term in Tony Wolters or Tom Murphy.

The Dodgers probably aren’t going to be inclined to send Grandal to a divisional opponent unless it helps them accomplish something else, so if the Rockies wanted to make a move, getting in the middle of a Stanton trade could be the carrot that incentivizes Friedman to make an intra-division trade. And the Rockies have the financial flexibility to let the Dodgers land Stanton while keeping their current CBT calculations pretty close to even.

For instance, let’s say the Rockies offered to take $15 million of the $22 million Adrian Gonzalez is owed in the last year of his contract, along with Grandal and underrated lefty reliever Luis Avilan. As a groundball-and-strikeout guy who doesn’t rely heavily on a breaking ball, Avilan fits the mold of the type of reliever the Rockies have targeted the last few years, and with just a projected arbitration award of $2.3 million, he’s significantly cheaper than signing another free agent to replace Jake McGee.

Grandal and Avilan project to make about $10 million in arbitration this winter, so along with taking on Gonzalez’s money, the Rockies would add $25 million in 2018 commitments. They’d also control Avilan’s rights in 2019, since he’s got another arbitration year after this year. Gonzalez might not have much left, but if there’s a place for him to show he’s got some life left in his bat in his free agent year, it’s Coors Field, and the chance to play at altitude might very well convince him waive his 10-5 rights.

For $25 million, getting Grandal, Avilan, and a flyer on a veteran 1B who doesn’t block Ryan McMahon (if he proves ready) or Ian Desmond (if he comes back to life) without giving up any real talent would probably be a better use of resources than giving lesser free agents multi-year deals. Or maybe the Rockies can figure out how to work Joc Pederson into the deal too, giving them another outfield bat who can help this year and serve as a potential replacement for Charlie Blackmon after next year.

The specific package isn’t as important as the concept. The Dodgers have a bunch of decent arbitration-eligible players who might not have jobs in LA next year but could be significant upgrades for the Rockies. The Rockies have money to spend, but usually have to overpay to land pitching, and going the trade route gives them the ability to avoid the multi-year deals that historically haven’t worked out for them. And in return for picking up some useful players without long-term commitments, the Rockies could take most of Gonzalez’s contract, letting the Dodgers acquire Stanton without pushing way over the CBT threshold or surrendering a dramatic amount of minor league talent to the Marlins.

The Giants’ reported offer is for a few decent-but-not-spectacular prospects and SF would take about $250 million of the remaining $295 million. As Jeff noted, the Dodgers probably don’t have to match that offer to get the Marlins to say yes, since that’s where Stanton would immediately waive his no-trade clause to go. So maybe they ask the Marlins to pick up a little more of the post opt-out money in order to reduce Stanton’s AAV even further for CBT reasons, or they give slightly worse prospects, or some combination of both.

Either way, using some combination of guys like Grandal, Avilan, and Pederson to move most or all of Gonzalez’s contract could give the team the chance to add Stanton without taking on money this year, and getting Stanton’s effective CBT number below $25 million per year going forward. And they probably wouldn’t have to surrender huge parts of their farm system in order to make that kind of swap.

For the Rockies, yes, you’re helping Stanton go to the Dodgers, which isn’t ideal. But neither is Stanton going to the Giants, since that’s the NL West team they’re more likely to be actually battling for a playoff spot in the next few years. If the Rockies are going to have to face Stanton in their division either way, it’s probably more beneficial to put him on the team they’re less likely to catch, rather than letting the Giants get back in the Wild Card race.

The Marlins could probably come out ahead in all this by just simplifying the negotiation, offering to take some decently valuable arbitration eligible guys and Gonzalez’s contract themselves, then repackaging those decent young players from LA to move other deadweight salary — hello, Wei-Yin Chen — in order to get under their self-imposed payroll cap, but as of yet, we don’t have much evidence that the new ownership group is willing to make that kind of move. So, a team like the Rockies might be able to insert themselves into the mix, taking some value for themselves in order to facilitate the trade that Stanton seemingly wants to happen.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I know the Rockies are difficult to predict (see: that wacko deal for Ian Desmond), but I don’t think they’re going to pay $27 million for one season of Grandal, a good lefty reliever, and the end of Adrian Gonzalez. This is an ownership team that doesn’t like to spend huge amounts.

I think if the Dodgers are going to dump Kazmir and/or Gonzalez on someone, it is going to be a big-market team like the Phillies who might be willing to buy one of their prospects.

attgig
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed. Rockies are not the ideal team to be the facilitator.

Johnny Dickshot
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yup, the Phillies are a much better candidate to pull something like this off than the Rockies. And it would need to be a combination of short-term dead money (like Gonzalez) and much better long-term prospects (not a arb-eligible short-timers like Grandal or Avilan).

JimmieFoXX
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Bill Giles and the guy screwing his sisters out of their inheritance
(Google: Anna Nupson ) do not pay for prospects.

'Tungsten Arm" O'Doyle
8 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

It’s a flat out FELONY FRAUD!!!!!

rockymountainhigh
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Rockies have slowly been creeping up the payroll ranks. And Bridich recently mentioned starting this season at around the same payroll as they ended last season (after taking on extra salary in mid season trades).

If they actually target a payroll of ~145-150 million…they have a lot of money coming off the books this year (Cargo and Reyes) so they are more than capable of making this deal.

thetoddfather
8 years ago

Bridich also said that their top priorities this offseason were a veteran catcher and bullpen depth, with the next priority being a power bat that might see 1B. If he can get all of that accomplished with 27 million, I think he jumps all over it.

TommyLasordid
8 years ago
Reply to  thetoddfather

Throw in Toles and a pitcher like Oaks and I would think the Rockies would bite at this concept. With Verdugo on the cusp and Stanton added to the roster, Toles is very expendable.

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  TommyLasordid

Toles looks like a lot more than a throw-in. He does have the question mark of coming back from a torn ACL, but he’s a 25 year old minimum salary player who has been highly productive in his limited playing time in the majors.

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Don’t know if Gonzalez would agree to go to Philly. He has 10-5 rights to block any trade, and he’s a Southern California guy who reportedly lives with his family in the San Diego area (La Jolla).

If it’s truly just a salary dump, though, I suppose that issue could be solved with some sort of assurances (written or not) that the Phillies will release him after acquiring him.

Ryne DurenMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

Acquiring an aging (or aged) first baseman makes no sense for the Phillies.

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Ryne Duren

The point isn’t to acquire him in order to play him. It’s to take the salary from the Dodgers as a way to “buy” a prospect who would come along with him. That’s why I say that the Phillies could just take Gonzalez and then release him almost immediately, meaning that they pay the $22 million that he’s due in 2018.

The Phillies have money to spend on their rebuild with their combination of high revenue and low payroll. This deal would make sense for them since teams are very limited in ways that they can acquire young talent for only money.

For the Dodgers, the goal would be to dump Gonzalez salary for luxury tax purposes in 2018. Cots currently shows them $8.5 million over the tax for 2018 before any free agent signings. If they got Stanton, dumping Gonzalez would keep them from pushing up against $40 million over the tax line, at which point the monetary penalties on incremental dollars get higher and their 1st round draft pick drops 10 spots.

If they don’t get Stanton, dumping Gonzalez’s money would provide the Dodgers with a path to stay under the tax line in 2018, especially if they also trade Grandal and the approximately $8 million that he’s expected to make in arbitration. They’re at a 50% luxury tax rate as a multiple payer, and dipping under for 1 year would reset their future luxury tax rates to 20% (year 1), 30% (year 2), and then 50% (year 3 or later). That could save the Dodgers a lot of money in later years if they move back up to well over the tax line in 2019 by re-signing Kershaw, signing free agent(s), and maybe extending young players such as Seager and Bellinger. Getting under the tax in 2018 also means that they’d lose fewer draft picks and less international bonus pool money for any free agents with QO’s who they sign after the 2018 season. The Yankees have said that they’re planning for one year under the luxury tax line in 2018 for just these reasons.

james123Member since 2024
8 years ago

I’m still praying the Rockies somehow end up as surprise suitors for Stanton. Watching Stanton mash in Coors would be more beautiful than the Sistine Chapel.

francis_soyer
8 years ago
Reply to  james123

He should agree to a trade with the Rockies with a provision that they move their fences in 50 feet. Eliminate the Bonds record talk for good.

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago

Interesting idea, but I will point out one unmentioned wrinkle with trading Adrian Gonzalez. He also has to approve any trade, because he has 10-5 rights that allow him to block a trade.

Perhaps he agrees to a trade to go to a team where he has more of a shot at trying to prove that he deserves playing time than with the Dodgers. The situation looks like it could be another game of chicken between the team and the player, however. If he’s healthy, he takes up a spot not only on the 40-man roster but also on the 25-man roster (because he has well beyond the 5 years of service time needed to refuse a minor league assignment). Even if he plays better than his well below replacement level year in 2017, he’s not really an ideal bench fit for a modern short bench because he can only play 1B.

So the Dodgers might just release him at some point, which would mean that he still gets his remaining money and can try to find any team willing to give him a shot for the cost of league minimum and a roster spot. The Dodgers website shows them with a completely full 40 man roster before making any off-season moves, such as signing free agent relievers, so they have something of a 40 man crunch and need for trades or releases/DFA’s open up spots.

BrocNessMonsterMember since 2016
8 years ago

Wei-Yin Chen. I forgot about him.

Catastrophic $100MM contract. Shocker.

Jetsy Extrano
8 years ago

Am I the only one who flinches every damn time Dave writes “CBT”?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cbt

piddy
8 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

only because CBT is well associated with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago

This is an interesting scenario for sure, but I’d have a lot easier time imagining something like this happening with the third team, the one buying the short-term-upgrade veterans, being outside the NL West. It’s hard to see the Rockies *or* the Dodgers handing their divisional competitors an upgrade that easily.

Chris
8 years ago

Grandal and Avilan are not nearly enough to offset taking on the majority of Gonzalez’ salary. Never mind that they would probably insist on getting the better end of the deal if they are going to facilitate sending Stanton to their in division rival.

I agree with the concept of a three for one trade to get this deal done but i think the Dodgers are going to have to give up something of real value to make this happen. They have a surplus of potential starting pitchers that could easily be dealt. By my count, they have nine players that could potentially make starts in 2018 (Kershaw, Wood, Hill, Maeda, Urias, Buehler, McCarthy, Ryu, and Kazmir). Kazmir’s contract will be tough to move and would require adding some prospects/arb eligible players to make it work. However, I think plenty of teams would be interested in McCarthy or Ryu. I would target someone who is looking to contend in 2018 that could use an upgrade at the back of their rotation. Without looking, I would think there are at least 10 teams that would fit that profile.

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Chris

By Baseball Prospectus WARP – which includes framing – Grandal was worth 4.5 wins in 2017, 6.6 in 2016, and 4.6 in 2014. Even if we back that off a bit to project 4 wins in 2018, that’s on the order of $32 to $40 million of value (at $8 to $10 million per win in free agency). MLB Trade Rumors estimates that he’ll get $7.7 million in arbitration, so that’s roughly $25 to $32 million of surplus value compared to $22.3 million due to Gonzalez.

So Grandal and Avilan are in theory plenty to justify taking on all of Gonzalez’s contract, not just the $15 million proposed by Dave Cameron. There’s also at least a few million of value to a QO pick received if Grandal justifies a QO after 2018, which he should barring a serious injury or absolutely horrible year. There’s also a strong argument for the Rockies trying to maximize a near-term playoff window with Blackmon and LeMaheiu both free agents after 2018 and Arenado a free agent after 2019.

Maybe this level of spending doesn’t fit within the Rockies budget, but the surplus value math says that they’re unlikely to find better value from spending the same dollars in free agency this year.

Chris
8 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

Good point, Dave. I was looking strictly at projected WAR and forgot to account for Grandal’s pitch framing mastery. As you said, the Rockies may not be the right for, but the value is there. I would still think the Dodgers are more likely to trade some of their surplus starting pitching and there will be a stronger market for it, but who knows.

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Thanks.

Also, for all the theoretical sense that something like this deal might make, I agree that it’s still an unusual sort of trade, plus two division rivals. Dave talks more about the Dodgers’ perspective, but it’s not as if the Rockies have any desire to help the Dodgers solve their luxury tax problems.

Colorado simply signing Lucroy and betting that he rebounds to some degree seems so much more realistic and likely.

francis_soyer
8 years ago

Still expecting him “2” be traded “2” NY. I have “2” reasons why it makes sense.

johnforthegiants
8 years ago

Just curious, Dave, why are you so anxious to see Stanton go to the Dodgers? This is at least the fourth article you’ve written about this topic.

Deacon DrakeMember since 2017
8 years ago

Like seriously, what ever happened to Chen? He was always slow, boring, but effective in Baltimore.