Marco Estrada Has Maybe the Changiest Changeup
It’s right there in the name. Change-up.
It’s right there in all the names, really. The best fastballs, usually, go the fastest. The best curveballs, usually, curve the most. The best changeups, then, would change the most. That property — change — isn’t quite as intuitive as the first two, but really, in a good changeup, you just want difference. You want separation from the primary pitch.
As my colleague Eno Sarris wisely pointed out on Twitter last night, measuring the characteristics of a changeup, on its own, is a mostly useless endeavor. If the main purpose of a changeup is to give hitters a different look off the fastball, don’t you also need the characteristics of that fastball to give context to the change?
On the surface, Marco Estrada’s repertoire might not be eye-popping. He doesn’t throw hard. He doesn’t have great movement. But what he does have, is this:

| Player | FB Velocity | CH Velocity | Velocity gap |
| Marco Estrada | 89.9 | 79.1 | -10.7 |
| Erasmo Ramirez | 92.1 | 81.8 | -10.3 |
| Chase Anderson | 92.6 | 82.4 | -10.2 |
| Jeremy Hellickson | 91.2 | 81.2 | -10.0 |
| Rick Porcello | 92.7 | 82.9 | -9.8 |
| Jacob deGrom | 95.8 | 86.2 | -9.6 |
| Andrew Cashner | 96.2 | 86.7 | -9.5 |
| Max Scherzer | 94.8 | 85.4 | -9.4 |
| Chris Archer | 96.2 | 86.8 | -9.3 |
| Johnny Cueto | 93.3 | 84.0 | -9.3 |
| Yordano Ventura | 97.1 | 88.0 | -9.1 |
*Minimum: 500 four-seam fastballs (83)
*Minimum: 200 changeups (60)
On average, Estrada drops nearly 11 mph off his four-seam fastball with every changeup, giving him the largest difference of any right-handed starter in baseball. But we can take this a step further! There can be more to getting separation than just speed. There’s movement, too.
The best fastballs, usually, have good “rise.” When we talk about rise, we’re not talking about literal rise, of course, but instead the ability to resist gravity with backspin. The best changeups, usually, have good drop. Estrada’s four-seam fastball has the most “rise” of any starting pitcher in baseball. The changeup doesn’t have particularly great drop, but given the fastball’s rise in confluence with the velocity gap, there’s still a pretty good package here.
Now, follow along with me. I wanted to put this all into one number — “this” being the difference between the characteristics of a pitcher’s fastball and his changeup. So, for every righty that threw at least 500 four-seams and 200 changeups this year, I calculated the difference between the velocity, the vertical movement, and the horizontal movement of the pitches. Then, I calculated z-scores of each characteristic, and summed the absolute values. It’s an inexact science, definitely. But, point is: it’s going to reveal pitchers whose changeups are most different from their fastball, and the results were pleasing.
The particular numbers aren’t really important. What’s important is that the study produced a leaderboard, and the top of the leaderboard looks like this:
- Zack Greinke
- Carlos Carrasco
- Jeremy Hellickson
- Chase Anderson
- Johnny Cueto
- Sonny Gray
- Marco Estrada
In Greinke, Carrasco, Cueto and Gray, you’ve got four ace-caliber pitchers, all known for their changeups, to some extent. In Hellickson and Anderson, you’ve got two pitchers of a lesser caliber, but two pitchers who are only known for their changeups, if anything. And then there’s Marco Estrada, who is soon to be known for his changeup, if he isn’t already.
Before we get into the in-game application of Estrada’s changeup in last night’s dominant start against Kansas City, the last piece of the puzzle I want to put together is release point. Separation between a fastball and a changeup is only useful if the batter thinks he’s getting a fastball. If he knows the changeup is coming, then he doesn’t have to think about the fastball, and the separation is rendered useless. The fastball and the changeup need to be coming from the same place, so the batter can’t anticipate.
This is laughable:
These are consecutive pitches in the first inning to Lorenzo Cain. Would you be surprised to learn the changeup produced a swinging strike that made Cain look downright silly?

The key here is the arm action. Anyone could throw a changeup 11 mph slower than his fastball if he just lobbed it in there. But by lobbing, rather than throwing at maximum effort, you’re not going to come close to producing the same release point. That’s what makes Estrada’s change so effective. Focus on the arm in the .gif above, and how hard Estrada snaps it forward relative to how slow the ball actually comes out. It’s almost cartoonish.
The arm moves just as fast whether Estrada’s throwing a fastball or a changeup. Equal arm action leads to an equal release point. The pitches come out of the same place, at the same arm speed, but behave in drastically different ways once thrown — moreso than nearly any pitcher in baseball, as revealed above.
A relevant note, from last night:
10 misses on 20 swings against Estrada’s change today. The 10 misses tied a season high. #BlueJays
— Inside Edge (@InsideEdgeScout) October 21, 2015
In that one way, Estrada’s changeup was as good last night as it’s been all season. Or, rather, the changeup, paired with the fastball, were as good as they’ve been all season, together.
You hear about a pitcher’s ability to “keep hitters off balance.” Last night, Estrada was keeping hitters off balance all night with his changeup, and that shouldn’t come as a surprise, given literally all the information provided thus far in this post. But in order to take advantage of all that’s been written above, you’ve still got to play the fastball and the changeup off one another.
Pitch sequencing is a thing we haven’t been able to quantify yet, but of course, it matters. Every pitch plays off the pitches thrown before it, and helps lead to the rest. Of Estrada’s 10 swinging strikes on the changeup, seven were preceded by a fastball, and two came on the first pitch, when a hitter would likely be expecting the fastball.
Given all that we now know, let’s see how Estrada works.
In third inning, a 3-0 fastball to Mike Moustakas, spotted on the outer edge:

Followed immediately by a changeup in the same spot, but lower, and with 9 mph taken off:

The next pitch was another fastball for a swinging strike three.
In the fourth inning, it’s Cain, again, and this time we get to see the set-up pitch. It’s a fastball, up and away. The exceptional rise on Estrada’s four-seamer allows him to work effectively up in the zone, despite his lack of velocity:

Followed immediately by a changeup in the same spot, but lower, and with 10 mph taken off:

We’ll take a look at one more. Here, we’ve got Kendrys Morales, in the eighth inning, even in the count at 1-1. He takes a fastball, spotted low:

Followed immediately by a changeup in the same spot, but lower, and with 12 mph (!) taken off:

There’s been some doubt surrounding Marco Estrada’s success this year, and that’s not too surprising. Just last year, he had one of the worst seasons in baseball, and just this year, he ran a .216 BABIP, one of the lowest figures in modern history. Obviously, a .216 BABIP isn’t sustainable, because it’s an outlier. Obviously, a .216 BABIP comes with a good deal of luck. But, look at some of the other names on that list. Nobody lucks their way entirely to a .216 BABIP. With any extraordinarily low BABIP, there’s going to be some manner of contact management present. To run a low BABIP, you’ve got to generate soft contact. To generate soft contact, you’ve got to keep hitters off balance. Last night, Marco Estrada proved to the world that, when the fastball and the changeup are on, he can keep hitters off balance with the best of them. Really, it’s just what he’s been doing all year.
August used to cover the Indians for MLB and ohio.com, but now he's here and thinks writing these in the third person is weird. So you can reach me on Twitter @AugustFG_ or e-mail at august.fagerstrom@fangraphs.com.

hey august,
what are the closest comparables to estradas changeup?
I bet it has something to do with Stroman, aka me.
Ok, I’m not actually serious, but I do have great pitch comps.
Always loved watching Estrada pitch for the Brewers. The weird thing was, they had his style-clone in Mike Fiers on the team as well.
Perhaps some of their coaches teach pitching in that way?
August, this was excellent reading. Glad you’re back!
As a jays fan, the way he pitches reminds me of Shawn Marcum when he was good.
Injuries sure turned a great pitcher into a pitcher with a short career. Was pretty sad, really, Marcum was a trooper.
On the other hand, Marcum did lead to Josh Freakin’ Donaldson, so there’s that added bonus.
A lot of rumors about Marcum’s extra-curriculars too, no?
no he definitely didnt, weirdo. let get your story straight
Estrada reminds me of the pitching brilliance of Josh Towers…except with better pitches, more talent, a superior work ethic, greater success.
I forgot how much I don’t like Josh Towers.
“Pitch sequencing is a thing we haven’t been able to quantify yet, but of course, it matters. Every pitch plays off the pitches thrown before it, and helps lead to the rest. Of Estrada’s 10 swinging strikes on the changeup, seven were preceded by a fastball, and two came on the first pitch, when a hitter would likely be expecting the fastball.
Given all that we now know, let’s see how Estrada works.”
Navarro post game: “He shook me off once earlier in the year and gave up a double. He learned.”
This last part might be more about how Navarro works.
there’s been a few pitchers speak very highly of Dioner Navarro. he seems to have an excellent feel for both his pitchers and opposing hitters. part intuition, part preparation, and i think pitchers like him because he takes all the thinking out of pitching. i’ll bet pitching is a lot easier when it becomes pure execution.
the marcum comp isnt bad. but i want to see the actual comp of his change up. like they did with the stroman arsenal write up.
there was also an Alex Gordon 3 pitch K in that game that was simply wonderful to behold.
the change is such a weapon for him. it’s a get-ahead pitch, a behind-in-the-count pitch, and a put-away pitch all in one. paired with a squirrely fastball and a decent curveball that he can flip up for a strike at any time, and it’s easy to see why he can tie hitters in knots.
I’m sure this has been written about elsewhere, but how is rise produced? I would have thought there would be a strong correlation between rise and pitch speed (fastest=most rise), but according that Prospectus leaderboard, there definitely is not.
The rise is shown as relative to a spinless ball (not a knuckleball, but a ball following a trajectory uninfluenced by spin) going at the same velocity. So although pitches at a higher velocity have less time to fall due to gravity, the “rise” of the pitch, caused by the backspin imparted on the ball by the pitcher, has nothing to do with the speed. It is confusing – I remember an article on fangraphs in which some pitcher just couldn’t wrap their head around the same thing you’re asking about (i.e. the lack of relationship between pitch speed and fastball spin rate/rise).
Ah, that’s a great explanation. I will attempt to wrap my mind around that. It made sense at first… but I thought pitchers put more backspin on their breaking balls to make them break even more, which is the opposite of rise.
His career BABIP is 261 so he’s always been able to post a below average BABIP. What’s generally hurt him is a high FB rate paired with a very high HR rate. He cut down the HR rate this year, but the BABIP is most definitely flukey even for him.
I never saw much of Estrada when he was in the NL and the beginning of the season he was hurt but once he got into the rotation it was pretty easy to tell by the opposing batters that his change-up was world-class. When you have good hitters walking back to dugout shaking their heads and muttering to themselves you know the pitcher has good stuff. Navarro has definitely made the difference in translating that good stuff into good pitching this season. Estrada even joked earlier that they might collude to go to the same team as they are both free agents at the end of the year…
This is a good article, but also strange in a couple of ways.
First of all, minor issue: Sonny Gray isn’t “known for his changeup to some extent”, nor has he ever been. He started out as a fastball-curveball guy, and since late 2014 has turned into a sinker/slider type. His changeup has always been an afterthought and never been a good or comfortable offering.
Secondly: Why make this a righty-only comparison? Because then you could leave out Scott Kazmir, who has, over the last 3 years, not only thrown the slowest changeup of them all (slower than Buehrle, Weaver AND Estrada), but also mixed it with a fastball in the low-mid 90s? It’s a thing of beauty when he follows up a 95mph heater by pulling the string and floating it in there at 75. Of course he doesn’t always go to the extremes, but even on average his delta has been at ~14mph (for 2013-2015), which dwarfes Estrada’s -10.7.
Not to take anything away from Estrada, his changeup or your appreciation for it, but I think the title “Changiest Changeup” shouldn’t be a righty-only thing.
Show them southpaws some love, man!
What I loved about that performance was that Estrada, Mr. Flyball, allows his first baserunner and instantly gets the ground ball for the double play off Zobrist no less.
Giving up fly balls is not a bad thing, so long as they are outs, and it is definitely a deliberate strategy.
The Jays should make the QO to him. He can lose some luck and still be good, and last night, he just didn’t look all that lucky as much as awesome. I think he’s smart enough to make adjustments for at least a year or two before that velocity gets too low.
I think he is definitely worth the QO, and if he turns it down, either you get the draft pick or you resign him in May.
Very nice. To further exemplify the batters’ confusion with release points and sequencing… go back up to the GIF of Cain and the identical release points. Cain is actually getting his leg kick started earlier for the change than he was on the four seamer.
the pitch sequencing is all Navarro, Estrada says he never shakes him off.
Interestingly, looking at single season Babip leaders since 2010 the lowest three are Estrada (2015) Hellickson (2011) and Greinke (2015). All three of which show up on the change up list here.