Mariners, Rays Agree to Semiannual Trade
This past season, the Mariners and Rays were separated by exactly one win in the standings. Of the two teams, the Mariners have the larger operating budget, and although the Mariners’ division includes the Astros, the Rays’ division includes the Red Sox and the Yankees. And yet these are two teams that seem to be going in different directions, with the Rays being the club on the rise. The Mariners will have to try desperately to stay afloat while getting next to no reinforcements from an empty farm system. The Rays are young and good and cost-controlled, and their farm is in the upper tier. The differing circumstances have led to a trade — an as-yet unofficial five-player swap, just the latest in a series of agreements between the two teams.
Rays get:
Mariners get:
It’s an entertaining trade for all the stat nerds out there, on account of the various extremes. Zunino seldom hits the ball, but when he does, it goes a mile. Heredia and Smith hit the ball far more often, but when they do, it doesn’t go anywhere. Even Plassmeyer and Fraley are coming off eye-opening minor-league seasons. There’s something to dig into, for everybody. Plenty of numbers to be studied.
But the take-home: The Rays are trying to win, and they’ve addressed a position of need. The Mariners are apparently trying to reload, without losing too much, and they’re banking on 2018 results while adding a longer-term player. You can see an argument favoring either side of this, but I find the Rays’ to be more convincing.
The offseason is plenty young, but it’s obviously not too young for action to take place. This is the offseason where we’re presumably going to see a J.T. Realmuto trade, and this was also an offseason where the Rays would look to upgrade at catcher. I had the two linked in my head, with the Rays as a dark-horse suitor. It would’ve been an aggressive move, but also a statement move, for one of the very best players at his position. I have to think the Rays are now out of the hunt, if they were ever going to be serious at all. Zunino will be their regular backstop.
Zunino is going into his age-28 season, as a catcher with two more years of team control. Heredia is going into his age-28 season, as an outfielder with four more years of team control. Smith is going into his age-26 season, as an outfielder with four more years of team control. Plassmeyer’s a 22-year-old pitcher in the low minors. Fraley’s going to be a 24-year-old outfielder who finished last season at High-A.
For the Rays, primarily, they’ve done a couple things. They’ve added a regular catcher, and they’ve turned a versatile lefty-hitting outfielder into a versatile righty-hitting outfielder. For the Mariners, primarily, they’ve done one thing. If you figure the Mariners saw Heredia as a backup, then they’ve exchanged two years of a regular for four years of a regular. That’s an oversimplification, but that’s something the Mariners will have to do if they refuse to tear it all the way down. The Mariners will have to improve their service-time picture while trying not to get too much worse in the present.
What I’ll do is try to lay out the arguments here for either side. We can start with the argument that would say the Rays did better. What did the Rays end up with? Zunino is a premium defensive backstop who can hit the ball harder than just about anybody. There’s no question his game comes with a lot of swing-and-miss — arguably too much swing-and-miss. But a late-spring injury sent Zunino down the wrong path, and he still wound up with an 84 wRC+. You know what the league average was for catchers last season? An 84 wRC+. Even bad offensive Zunino was still passable offensive Zunino, and over the past three seasons, Zunino has been good for a wRC+ of 108. Mike Zunino strikes out a bunch, and he doesn’t walk as much as you’d like him to, but he’ll hit the ball 400 feet with some regularity, and he’s a weapon in the field. He’s always rated well as a pitch-framer, and pitchers have also enjoyed working with him. I’ll give Zunino some apparent leadership points as well, if that’s your thing. He does a lot of what catchers are supposed to do.
The Rays didn’t get Zunino for free, and Smith is an adequate regular who can play center field. He’s one of the most valuable players in either league on the bases, in large part owing to the fact that he runs like the dickens. Smith made some meaningful improvements in 2018, and he was, by our measurements, a 3+ win player. But in a lot of ways, looking underneath, Smith is similar to Heredia. And the thing I don’t quite trust about Smith is his 117 wRC+, because he has almost zero power, and he had a slightly below-average contact rate. That’s not a combination that frequently yields quality hitting. Smith’s three-year mark is 102. That feels like a more reasonable expectation.
To be clear, I do think Smith is better than Heredia. His track record is better. His baserunning is better. Heredia, however, makes more contact. He takes more pitches out of the zone. According to Statcast, Heredia’s three-year Outs Above Average figure is +17. Smith is at +5 in a similar number of innings. What Smith showed in 2018, and what Heredia didn’t show, is the ability to play on a regular basis. But you can see how this might not be a big downgrade. Heredia and Smith hit the ball with similar oomph. Heredia might be a more willing backup to Kevin Kiermaier, Tommy Pham, and Austin Meadows.
And just because I might as well include the two prospects — neither is a blue-chipper. Fraley, though, is thought to have fourth-outfielder skills, and he just had a .407 BABIP in the equivalent of a half-season. Plassmeyer threw just 24 innings in Low-A, but it’s funny what happens when you look at the minor-league leaderboards. I know this is silly, but bear with me. There were 3,825 minor-league pitchers who threw at least 20 innings, apparently. Plassmeyer ranked third — third — in strikeout rate, and second in K-BB%. He’s a southpaw with a good curveball, and a heater in the low-90s. A potential fast-mover, in whatever kind of role the Rays are stocking up on.
I think the Rays did well to get a catcher without a painful loss. But in the interest of fairness, I should present something of a counterargument. And the bulk of the counterargument would be this: In 2018, at least statistically, Mallex Smith was a more valuable baseball player than Mike Zunino was. Smith was worth 3.4 WAR as an outfielder. Zunino was worth 1.5 WAR as a catcher. I know those numbers come with certain error bars, but that’s a two-win gap. And the Mariners get Smith, who has twice as many remaining team-control years. What’s not to like? Better player, more control. That’s exactly the kind of trade the Mariners should hope to be making.
The Mariners might have become convinced that Zunino will never be an average hitter again. And while their catcher depth chart is now laughably bad, there are plenty of catchers available out there to serve as stopgaps, and Smith should be an outfield regular. It’s worth noting that, in 2018, Smith improved his average exit velocity while also improving his contact and strikeout rates. What if he improves again? What if he turns his speed into a greater number of defensive plays? Sure, Heredia looks good in the field, according to Statcast. But he doesn’t look as good according to DRS or UZR, and when Heredia’s been asked to play with greater frequency, he’s looked to be in over his head. Smith can play plenty. Heredia might only hope to be a poor man’s equivalent. No one mourns the loss of a fourth outfielder.
Smith could be a long-term asset. He’s a center fielder on a roster that didn’t have one. The Mariners now have more flexibility with Dee Gordon, and therefore Robinson Cano, and more dominoes are going to fall, because Jerry Dipoto’s in charge. And about those minor leaguers — Plassmeyer, who’s leaving, is a pitcher with good statistics. Fraley, who’s coming, is a hitter with good statistics. All else being equal, it’s generally smart to bet on the latter.
Maybe the point/counterpoint format is hard to follow. Maybe you feel like this didn’t end up anywhere, because now we’ve talked about virtually the entire range of possible outcomes. It’s absolutely true the Mariners could end up the winners of this trade. It’s absolutely true the Rays could end up the winners of this trade. It’s absolutely true both teams could be equally happy, and it’s absolutely true both teams could be equally sad. Nothing is certain when any of these transactions go down. After having looked at everything, however, I think probability favors Tampa Bay. You just have to consider more than only 2018. Zunino has been better before, and that matters. Smith has been worse before, and that matters, too. His skillset makes it hard to remain a good player. He’d have to be something of an exception.
Those are the gambles the Mariners might have to make, if they insist on trying to remain competitive while selling off players of value. The Mariners’ path isn’t impossible to navigate. The Rays are likely to have it much simpler. Their talent level now is only higher than it was. Mike Zunino might be just the player to help them return to the playoffs. As hitters, catchers don’t need to be great to be good. They don’t even need to be good to be great.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
Mallex –
.347/.415/.471 at home, .244/.317/.340 away
.325/.400/.449 on turf, .254/.318/.345 on grass
God dammit Mariners
It’s going to be Dee Gordon all over again. The front office has needed a major revamp for like, 20 years now. It would’ve been fantastic if we’d gotten Zaidi instead of SF, and then poached a bunch of analytics guys.
Other than him being 5 years younger, able to play center field right away, and many millions of dollars cheaper he’s exactly the same as Gordon.
You forgot that he also walked about 6 times as often as Dee did last year.
I know it isn’t actually this low but I just assume that means Mallex only walked 6 times.
This guy!
Gordon didn’t exactly fit the profile of a control-the-zone player. Neither did Healy.
Not a fan of what they are doing but the problem is the owner who doesn’t allow a full tear down. With that aging roster and empty farm there is not much you can do.
The mariners need a full tear down and then tank for a couple years to have any chance.
Seems like an appropriate summation. The one point re: Heredia that is touched on but not quite hammered home:
He is an absolutely atrocious base-stealer, and a nearly untenable 4th OF as a result. His defense hasn’t graded well in CF but his speed and arm seem up for the job. He legitimately doesn’t seem to know how to slide, and it undercuts all of his base-stealing value. Not sure the deal hinges on Heredia’s value, obviously, but having written about/studied this issue for a couple years now, felt worth noting.
Heredia really isn’t worth much of anything. Sub-par offense, average-ish corner outfield defense (depending on if you like UZR or DRS better), bad center field defense, and horrible baserunning.
He’s the kind of guy every team should be able to pluck from AAA for free. I wouldn’t even count him as an asset in this trade. It’s really Zunino and Plassmeyer for Smith and Fraley.
The Rays needed a starting catcher more than they needed a second starting CF.
They got a starting catcher and a backup OF to replace the departed.
Seattle needed a starting CF so Gordon can go back to 2B and Cano go to 1B/DH.
Three positions settled.
Looks like a win-win.
Agreed. Seems like a fair trade (though I think Heredia is just a random throw-in and really not worth anything).
Zunino is an average-ish catcher that could be a good one and has a low floor and high ceiling. Smith is a good center fielder who may regress to average or remain good, but has a high floor and low ceiling.
I think the Rays got Zunino more for his defensive ability/experience and pitch calling for thier young pitchers. Anything offensively he does is a plus. Agree with fjtorres’ assessment of the Mariner’s side of the trade.
They need to just dump Gordon or use him as a super sub. Cano is still a good second baseman and it would be inefficient to move him to 1B before it’s necessary. Honestly they have three second basemen if you count Segura, who shouldn’t be at SS. Thankfully I think Dipoto understands this.
Except that Seattle created a hole at catcher with this move and there’s a very real possibility that Gordon gets moved.
I watched the vast majority of Rays’ games this past summer and for me, their most frustrating player was Smith. Powered by a BABIP of .366 (Steamer sees a significant decline) his bat was attractive and blinded by his obvious speed, most considered his base running to be elite. But he was carelessly aggressive on the bases. This is confirmed by the recently published Bill James Handbook, where his on-the-bases results showed a net gain of minus 5 bases. (Teammate Jake Bauers, a much more headier but slower runner had a positive 18). Smith was 40 -12 in stolen bases, giving him a net +11 , but not so impressive when that’s your major attribute. His speed helped him in the outfield, but he gets bad reads, has a weak arm and consistently missed the cutoff. i was desperately hoping the Rays would dump him this off-season and in doing so, they received a decent catcher.
Nice writeup on a moment’s notice. I liked the discussion of Zunino as a catcher before discussing his value. IMO, comparing catcher WAR with the value of other positional players is a problem in specific trades. If a team needs a catcher, they need a catcher. Supply and demand at this position can be more important than generic value.
Supply and demand is theoretically baked into WAR. That’s why there are positional adjustments.
Mallex Smith is also heading back to the Mariners. He was on the Mariners for 77 minutes a few years back and he loved every minute of it.
https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Rays/status/833340412077211649
Pleased to see that DiPoto is in on the joke:
“Bringing Mallex back home to Seattle is exciting for us all,” Seattle general manager Jerry Dipoto said in a statement.
Mariners essentially traded…..
(team control years — actual+ballpark estimated salary — actual+estimated WAR production)
Luiz Gohara (6 yrs — $14m — 9 WAR )
Ryan Yarbrough (6 yrs — $7m — 4 WAR)
Mike Zunino (2 yrs — $10 m — 4 WAR )
Mallex Smith (2 yrs — $1m — 4 WAR) [2017-2018]
Total (16 yrs — $32m — 21 WAR)
for
Mallex Smith (4 yrs — $13m — 7 WAR)
Drew Smyly (1 yr — $7m — 0 WAR) [injured]
Shae Simmons (1 yr — $0.5m — 0 WAR) [injured])
Total (6 yrs — $20 mil — 7 WAR)
Yeah, that’s not quite fair. They didn’t have Smith to move for Smyly. Gohara was the one who really netted them Smyly and it’s not like the incident with Smyly was Seattle’s fault.
But yeah, a lot of the trades we’ve seen Jerry make look lopsided. He’s hit on smaller deals, such as Gamel, Vincent, and Leake, and did well with Gonzales, Haniger, and Segura. But it definitely feels like he’s lost more than he’s gained.
You absolutely can’t count both Gohara AND Smith on that side. That would be like paying $20,000 for a Camry, trading it for a Civic, and then saying the Civic cost you $20,000 and a Camry.
Haha cmon man.
I see all your comments and yeah, this could turn out badly for the Mariners. But as far as I can tell, the Mariners swapped a more expensive player with less team control and who performs worse for a player with more team control who performs better and is cheaper. It’s really hard to fault the Mariners in this scenario, and you have to wonder if that is really the best the Rays could do given that there is approximately one other center fielder available in trade or FA that could be a credible starter (AJ Pollock). It’s a real head-scratcher of a trade for me from the Rays’ perspective.
And don’t get me started on Guillermo Heredia. He’s a physical specimen, but not really a player of note.
There’s more than one starter for CF – Kevin Pillar is most definitely available
He *should* be available because the Jays should be selling anyone with less than 3 years of control. But do you have a source that says he actually is available? They’re talking about bringing back JA Happ. That doesn’t sound like a team that’s selling.
They’re talking about bringing back Happ because he’s been with the team before, and they’ve been linked to a ton of SP options. Not because they’re trying to win in 2019. They do need to add a SP, because it’s pretty likely Sanchez will be hurt and you don’t want the opening day rotation to include 3 rookies even if you are retooling. That being said, the Jays are very clearly not going for it in 2019, and retooling for 2020/2021.
There was an article in mid June which talked about trade options, though it wasn’t the GM who said Pillar was available. But the impression I got is that the Jays are open to moving Grichuk to CF and trading Pillar in the right deal.
Another sub .300 OBP player who doesn’t control the zone probably wasn’t/isn’t on Jerry’s radar.
That’s putting a lot on 2018 results and a lot of faith that a speedster will be able to (a) sustain BABIP-driven production while (b) moving from turf to grass, and (c) suffering no long-term effects from playing on turf that could affect his ability moving forward.
I’m not sure what (c) has to do with it. But if (a) and (b) happen, he’s what? A 1.5 win player like Zunino who you control for twice as long? So in that case, you still wind up with a big win for the Mariners. And if the best case scenario happens, it’s a double big win for the Mariners. And if something in the middle happens, it’s a 150% big win for the Mariners…
If any of those things happen and Zunino hits anything close to 2017 levels in the next 2 years it’s a pretty massive loss for the Mariners. Maybe DiPoto has a target in mind but based on options available right now it seems like it’ll be hard to get anything above replacement level at catcher moving forward (not so of CF, where there’s a much bigger pool of available talent).
Ah, I see, you think 2017 is the real year and every other year is the fluke. This may actually be true because in 2016 he hit really well too, but since Zunino has had trouble putting together a full season for various reasons (including 2016) I don’t really trust him. If all the pieces come together, it’s something really cool. But I generally am skeptical of hitters with K-rates that high and injury histories.
That’s not what I said at all. I get Zunino skepticism, but two things working in his favor in this trade are his plus glove at C that’s not entirely factored in by WAR (particularly important in light of extreme, seemingly higher than normal positional scarcity there league-wide), and 2) higher upside based on pretty recent results (remember, he played through injury in 2018).
The bigger factor, for me, is suspicion that 2018 was Smith’s flukey career year. He’s a speed and defense guy with zero power who needs to run unsustainable BABIPs (or somehow develop power) to repeat that 3+ win year. He’s still rosterable if not necessarily good with a league average BABIP , but if the luck runs the other way, he’s borderline. If his BABIP regresses AND he loses a step in his mid-late 20s, you’re talking about a non-tender candidate.
While I don’t think that Mallex Smith will continue running BABIPs that high year-in and year-out, it’s worth noting that (a) in Zunino’s big year he had a truly unsustainable BABIP and (b) Mallex Smith, with his 80 grade speed, should be running a pretty high BABIP. I don’t think the risk is quite as big for Smith as you make out, and I’m not seeing exactly how Zunino is going to replicate that year.
I’m a big fan of good defensive/framing catchers and do think they’re undervalued, but not this much.
I guess we probably won’t agree on Smith’s downside. I’m always extremely skeptical of zero-power guys until/unless they succeed for multiple years. At the point I’m willing to grant their past performance wasn’t a fluke, though, that’s generally when I start to worry about how they’ll age and whether they’ll be useless if they drop even a couple MPH off that sprint speed 🙂
FWIW, his statcast numbers are terrible. His xwOBA is .287 (compared to .340 actual).
Last factor for me: one of the smartest and cheapest FOs in baseball just moved a pre-arbitration player who put up a 3.4-win season for an older, more expensive player with fewer years of control coming off a worse season (albeit at a position of need). I don’t think TB makes this move if they think there’s a good chance his 2018 level was sustainable.
In addition to everything laid out above, this also opens up full time AB’s for Meadows.
Good, smart-looking trade for both teams. Everybody wins.
Any chance we could get an article speculating on the possible return in prospects if the Mariners were to trade Paxton, Diaz, and Haniger? Not with specific players but speculating on the type and amount of players they could get back. I.e. 3 45+ and 2 40+ prospects.
Jeff already did this in his “Mariners Could Fill the Seller Void” article which you commented on.
Paxton = Gerrit Cole = Musgrove (50/55 FV Starter) + Moran (50 bat) + Feliz (45 reliever)
Diaz = Kimbrel = Margot (55 bat) + Asuaje (45 bat) + 2 40’s
Haniger = Eaton = Giolito (55/60 Starter) + Lopez (50 Starter) + Dunning (45/50 Starter)
I think Paxton could do a bit better than the Gerrit Cole package and Diaz a bit better than the Kimbrel package.
I would tend to agree that Jeff was pretty conservative on these. I would definitely take the over on Paxton and Diaz and probably Haniger. But we’re getting reporting that the Mariners are going to hang onto Diaz, Gonzales, and Haniger–which IMO is not a good strategy because all three of those are at their likely peak value. What the M’s are doing–trying to lengthen their competitive window while keeping assets who have likely hit their peak performance without signing free agents to put you over the top–is a recipe for .500 seasons forever.
I would hold on to Marco until the deadline and let him prove his success was real unless you got a really great offer over the offseason. But yeah, they should rebuild and trade Diaz and Haniger.
Fair summary, although Diaz would get even more than a bit better given the change in team construction and his cost (and reliever prices) since the Kimbrel trade.
I thought it was widely thought at the time that the Kimbrel trade was a massive overpay on the part of the Red Sox? Seems odd to think that you’d get more than that, especially since Kimbrel had more than one year of dominance to juice his value.
Diaz is still pretty cheap, and the trend towards overpaying for relievers has progressed since then. On the other hand, Dave Dombrowski doesn’t have any more top prospects to trade, and I’m not sure anyone else is quite desperate enough and has the means. Maybe the Braves.
I think the Dodgers would be a good fit given the shakiness of Jansen and struggles of their bullpen.
I would love the Nats to find a way to trade for both Diaz and Paxton.
Soto? 😉
An interesting and amazing aspect of the Rays – if you look at their team, they have exactly ONE player on their roster (KK) who isn’t either in arb or pre-arb. ONE. The entire rest of the team is under cheap control for at least 2 years, and usually far longer.
Over the last couple years, they’ve traded for pretty well all of these players! It’s amazing!
Going from Sucre to Zunino is basically like replacing a kia with a ferrari
More like replacing a yugo with a new type R civic
Solid analysis. The team that’s closer to contention (despite last season’s records) goes for the more variant, but higher ceiling-ed player, and the team that’s got more work to do to get there seriously adds a solid piece with longer cost control. It seems like the rare trade where two mid-tier teams appropriately assessed where they are in the competitive curve, and acted accordingly.
Condolences, Meg.
I love it when I’m just reading along with a fangraphs post, minding my own business, and then, out of nowhere, comes a ‘runs like the dickens’ line. Thanks, Jeff.
Yeah, that got me, too!
Count on Jeff to soften a less-than-comfortable moment for Mariner fans.
Zunino’s BB%, K%, and ISO have all trended in the wrong direction every year since 2016. You take out that 355 BABIP in 2017 and he looks like a hitter in decline. I know his defense is supposed to be great, but with all the injuries Kiermaier has had Smith seemed to be valuable for the rays. Is this move primarily a product of the catcher position being incredibly weak?
I do think that a lot of his struggles hitting last year were because of being rushed back from an oblique injury but it’s hard to say whether he would return to 2017 when healthy. He is really good at pretty much every element of catching on the defensive side.
Was going to post this same thing. It’s easy to look at Zunino’s numbers and say he’s a decent catcher, there’s potential there, it could be worse, etc. I think that is an argument that will mostly come from people who don’t have to watch him everyday.
If you take his 2017 season out, his career slash line become .196/.262/.380. That’s literally Jeff Mathis with more power. And I think it is reasonable to take his 2017 season as an outlier considering he ran a .355 BABIP, and never had one over .268 before.
As a mariners fan I love Zunino. He plays amazing defense, seems like a genuinely amazing guy and teammate, and got dealt a crappy hand by being rushed to the majors. I’ve never heard him complain about it or sulk when he has been sent back to the minors to work out the kinks. I think it’s just time for this kind of move, and hope a new organization and being back in his home state helps him figure it out.
Even in his great 2017 he had to be sent down to the minors early in the season because he couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn (his March/April 2017 wRC+ was 34). His career has been very inconsistent and he’s starting to be on the wrong side of the aging curve (turns 28 in March) with skills that don’t age. He is not without real risk, although it is somewhat backstopped (hehe) by his strong defense and how bad catchers hit league-wide.
Looks like the Rays sold high on Mallex, which is what they should do. As nevinbrown noted, though, Heredia is likely to get more playing time than the Rays would like due to KK’s inability to stay healthy for a full season. This is why it wouldn’t surprise me if the Rays flipped both Zunino and Heredia, along with some minor league quality, to the Marlins. The Marlins get prospects and someone who can prevent the ball from hitting the umpire and Heredia, who can hit 0.183 just like the rest of their outfield.
If KK gets injured again (a pretty likely outcome given his profile) the Rays have adequate CF fill-ins with Pham/Meadows. At that point you just call up McCarthy and see what you got (or it opens up more playing time for Lowe/Bauers/Wendle/Robertson in one of the COF – probably LF). We have a 40 man crunch. I’d be surprised if Heredia keeps his 40 spot before the Rule V draft where we have about 5-6 guys who need protecting.
I agree that they sold high on Smith and that Heredia might see more time in CF than they care to see, but finding another fourth outfielder wouldn’t likely be difficult and it makes little sense for the Marlins to move a great catcher with 2 years of control for a solid catcher with two years of control. They would be looking to move Zunino themselves to make up for the lighter package they received from Tampa.
So the “tear down” is going to be a Pirates-style re-load attempt focused on cost-control and adequacy rather than loading up on talent/upside.
I’m really disappointed, but can’t say I’m surprised. This is how you continue a postseason drought another decade while avoiding any of that pesky hope that comes from picking top 10 in the draft.
I think the M’s should blow everything up and start fresh. They have no farm system, and even if everything were to go right, they still have the Astros, A’s and Angels to contend with for the division and or 2nd wild card.
I say second wild card with the assumption that the first wild card comes from the loser of the AL East race.
What is the problem with the M’s? Is it coaching? Organizational? I haven’t really followed them since Jack Z was there.
That’s been my fear. The focus has been primarily on players with high floors, rather than high ceilings. This move, at least for me, just feels like a lateral move with a chance to set them back a step.
But to be fair, the bigger chips haven’t been played yet.
For sure. I’m talking more about what this trade says about the team’s mindset approaching the bigger trades than this deal itself.
Looks like a strategy to trade some above-average players for more and/or cheaper years from lesser big-leaguers rather than seeking potential impact minor league talent.
I get it, it’s just not the direction I’d go. In the era of superteams this looks like a strategy where the upside is maybe lucking into the postseason once. I’d prefer an approach that has at least some chance of producing the best team in the division in the foreseeable future…
If were going to ding Mallex for his BABIP last season, we also should recognize that Zunino’s offensive success is heavily influenced by his 2017 BABIP (.355). Unlikely he comes close to that again.
The big question for him is whether or not he can return to the BB% of 9-10% he ran in 2016-2017. If he can’t do that he’s in trouble. The Rays will have him as he is entering the start of the decline part of the aging curve as next year will be his age 28 season. Even with a 9-10% walk rate, his skillset typically does not age well. Without it, he’s in pretty big trouble.
I watched Mallex closely last year and I think he will be a very good leadoff hitter with an above average glove for Seattle. I know little about the minor leaguers, but Seattle got the better deal on the major league talent for sure. Mallex should be a 3 to 4 WAR player very soon at CF. Zunino is a mediocre catcher and Heredia is a nice backup guy in the corners but he is not decent CF. I like this trade for Seattle myself.
If the Mariners aren’t going to contend in 2018, why sell low on Zunino and stress finding a center fielder now? They could have found a stop-gap before giving Bishop a shot in 2020 or 2021 (though I would understand if they see Bishop as a fourth outfielder). On top of that, they coughed up one of few (if not the only) solid LHP prospects they have. In my opinion, it would have been wise to give Zunino a chance to rebound offensively before moving him.
This trade feels far more risky for Seattle as they’ll be banking on Smith to produce similarly in the coming years as he did last season. To be fair, Smith also improved his LD% considerably and noticeably lowered his kS%. Had as many doubles and triples as you could ask for. But with so much of his game built around speed, I think it’s fair to ask what he’ll offer 2-3 years from now.
In the end, Seattle saves a little money and swaps one hole for another while gaining a little more control with Smith. I might hate the Plassmeyer for Fraley part of this more, though. A 24-year-old fielding prospect in High A with a half season of success doesn’t do much for me and it’s not like he has shown the power potential we saw with Haniger.
I’ll call this a win for Tampa and hope that time will prove me wrong.
“A potential fast-mover, in whatever kind of role the Rays are stocking up on.”
I would argue with the idea that anyone can be classified as a fast mover in the Rays system. Given their track record we’ll see him in 2022