Matt Harvey Is Now a Reclamation Project

When Matt Harvey burst onto the scene in 2012 — yes, it has been six years — there was every reason to believe he was destined to lead the long-maligned Mets back to the promised land. Over a 10-start camero, he struck out 28.6% of the batters he faced, good for nearly eleven strikeouts per nine innings. And while he walked more than 10% of his opponents, the future seemed limitless: Eno Sarris wrote before the 2013 season that “Yu Darvish might be his floor.”

Then Harvey went out and blew the doors off Queens in 2013.

However good you remember Harvey being in 2013, he was probably better. His ERA? It was 2.27. His FIP? Even lower than that. He cut his walk rate down to 4.5% while preserving his strikeouts (27.7%). He recorded an average velocity of 95.8 mph with his fastball, which was an incredible 30 runs above average. But his slider, and curveball, and changeup were all plus pitches, too, which is what has to happen to be 50% better than league average.

In the 2013 campaign, Harvey accrued 6.5 WAR in just 178.1 innings. To understand that in context, consider that, last year, Clayton Kershaw threw 175 innings and accrued 4.6 WAR. The mighty Noah Syndergaard was worse in 2016 than Harvey was in 2013. Harvey was, in 2013, the best pitcher in baseball.

Then Harvey tore his UCL and needed Tommy John surgery, forcing him to miss all of 2014. Still, Derek Ambrosino wrote before the 2014 season that “there isn’t a great reason to worry that he won’t regain form as soon as he regains health” — and, a year later, before his return, Eno called him a “top-15 pitcher” even with the uncertainty of the surgery.

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Matt Harvey circa 2015 wasn’t the same pitcher he was in 2013, but you would be forgiven for thinking otherwise. After the All-Star break that year, Harvey posted a 25.7% K rate, a 3.6% walk rate, a 48.6% ground-ball rate, a 2.28 FIP, and a 7.18 K/BB. In other words, post-TJ Matt Harvey in 2015 looked an awful lot like prime Cliff Lee.

Then the postseason happened, and the World Series happened.

Remember this?

https://youtu.be/kb617-F5ucc

Harvey was never the same.

It’s easy to blame Harvey’s downfall on that fateful Series game, the one where Harvey insisted on pitching one last inning that his arm simply wouldn’t provide. It’s easy to blame it on Harvey’s off-field escapades, which were the source of tabloid fodder even in his golden age. But Harvey wasn’t felled by Game Five. He wasn’t felled by the New York nightlife.

Matt Harvey was felled by thoracic outlet syndrome.

Throwing a baseball (or anything else) at 95 mph over and over again is a deeply unnatural act, both in humans specifically and in nature generally. The ability, at least, dates back to Homo erectus. The desire dates back to childhood, watching pitchers like Matt Harvey blow smoke past superhuman athletes holding sticks. But it’s important to recognize one fact.

Matt Harvey, in 2013, threw 2,697 pitches. In 2015, he threw 2,798 pitches. Neither figure came close to leading baseball. (Justin Verlander, in 2013, threw 3,692 pitches.) But that is a lot of pitches for a human shoulder. And it likely contributed to Harvey’s TOS.

Thoracic outlet syndrome is a group of disorders that occur when blood vessels or nerves in the space between your collarbone and your first rib (thoracic outlet) are compressed. This can cause pain in your shoulders and neck and numbness in your fingers.

Harvey wasn’t the same in 2016, probably because he couldn’t feel his fingers. That’s when he had surgery to remove a rib. It was hoped he’d be back to his old self in 2017. He wasn’t. Then, this spring, came hope. There was talk of renewed velocity, renewed command. It didn’t last. This past weekend, the Mets designated Harvey for assignment, ending his run in Queens.

As a baseball move, it’s hard to blame the Metropolitans here. Harvey had recently been demoted to the bullpen, the latest ignominy in a season full of them. At least in 2016, before his TOS surgery, Harvey’s underlying peripherals still appeared strong; he did, after all, post a 3.47 FIP. But, in 2018, his once elite command was gone, as Harvey struck out just 16% of hitters while walking 7.3%. He posted negative pitch values for his fastball, curveball, and changeup. His best pitch, the slider, was merely average.

Harvey, in 2018, surrendered a .303/.355/.550 batting line (.906 OPS), which basically turned everyone he faced into the Mets version of Yoenis Cespedes or 2016 Manny Machado. In short, Harvey was an unmitigated disaster.

So the natural question is, what’s next? Harvey has been linked to the Yankees, but I doubt the Bombers would be interested in a flier on Harvey owing to two factors. First, they really don’t need him. Even though Jordan Montgomery is hurt, Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield are about big-league ready, plus they have Luis Cessa and Domingo German, who are both likely better than Harvey right now. Second, Harvey has allowed better than 20% of fly balls to leave the park in back-to-back seasons, which suggests he might be poorly suited to a park like Yankee Stadium III.

So what teams could (or should) take a chance on an erstwhile ace? The Twins come to mind as an obvious fit; they need rotation help badly and fancy themselves a contender. But they have bigger problems than their rotation (Byron Buxton and Miguel Sano being hurt). The Angels could be a fit, as they definitely need rotation help, but it’s not clear that Harvey would be any better than Jaime Barria. But the Mariners could be a good fit.

Seattle has a 19-14 record, 1.5 games behind the division-leading Angels. The Mariners, however, have a pitching problem. As of Sunday, they’d scored 4.66 runs per game, 10th-best in baseball. That’s good! They’d also allowed 4.69 runs per game, 10th-worst in baseball. That’s bad! And unless they plan to start James Paxton every day, the Mariners could actually have a use for Harvey. After all, they’ve been forced to turn to Wade LeBlanc recently.

But even if this is a fit on paper, the question is whether Harvey himself can be saved. Josh Beckett and Chris Carpenter couldn’t be. The truth is that we know still very little about thoracic outlet syndrome and its long-term effects. Harvey still has decent velocity — he can run it up to 94 mph — and he still has that slider. Maybe he can be salvaged. But the next time you see Corey Kluber or Max Scherzer or Noah Syndergaard throw a blazing fastball past a clueless hitter, take a moment to sear that into your memory. Matt Harvey went from ace to chump in one offseason. You never do know when it all comes crashing down.





Sheryl Ring is a litigation attorney and General Counsel at Open Communities, a non-profit legal aid agency in the Chicago suburbs. You can reach her on twitter at @Ring_Sheryl. The opinions expressed here are solely the author's. This post is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended as legal advice.

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pedeysRSox
8 years ago

Wade LeBlanc can be a decent starter if given a chance to start. He’s better than anything the White Sox are rolling out right now and could be a league average starter.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
8 years ago
Reply to  pedeysRSox

true, but i think what the author is trying to get at is that a team thats trying to contend and is in a win now mode like the mariners shouldn’t be trotting out wade leblanc unless its an emergency

ForrestMember since 2016
8 years ago

They shouldn’t be using Harvey unless it’s an emergency, either. Basically the same projected talent going forward.

Maybe if Harvey were willing to do some pitch dev in AAA

southie
8 years ago

Ace to chump. Ouch

Greg GoldenMember since 2016
8 years ago

I guess there’s always Qualcomm?

LHPSU
8 years ago

He’s been a reclamation project for more than a year now; it’s just that the project is now open for public bidding.

BillClinton
8 years ago

You know who likes reclamation projects, has 2 or 3 5th starters, a surprisingly decent record and a somewhat ok prospect system? Pittsburgh.

gorillakilla34
8 years ago
Reply to  BillClinton

Plus there’s not nearly the same night life in Pittsburgh, so less of those pesky distractions. But he’ll have to watch his figure with all those pierogies & french fry sandwiches n’at.

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  BillClinton

Oakland is similar. They are starting Cahill and Anderson in a callback to 8 years ago.

BillClinton
8 years ago
Reply to  BillClinton

Upon further reflection, the Pirates’ surprisingly cromulent record is probably a reason they would *not* go for a Harvey trade.

srriley84
8 years ago

Reclamation project in more ways than one.

I reckon to you’d have to remedy both the skills and the work ethic/behavior.

Richie
8 years ago
Reply to  srriley84

Yeah, always bet against the ‘Party Hearty!!’ guys the instant the talent disappears.

awalnohaMember since 2017
8 years ago

Because he’s the starting pitcher many teams deserve, but not the starting pitcher they need right now.

Handsome Wes
8 years ago

(Die-hard Mets fan here)
I think it goes back to the ‘Innings Limit’ incident – in 2015, the Mets knew that there was going to be an innings limit. Spring Training stories featured it. They decided to blow past it because they were in a pennant race and they didn’t want to face the same scrutiny that the Nats did when they shut down Strasburg in a pennant race a few years prior (Nats wound up losing in the division series, and probably could have used Strasburg that year).

I just don’t understand why teams can’t give their pitchers a nice timed stint on the DL every once in awhile* – have them miss a start every once in a while to refresh their arms. But apparently not…

* I know that you can’t put healthy players on the DL, but I’m reminded of what Jake Peavy said when he was approached to be put on the DL. ‘Jake, what hurts?” Jake: pick one.”

LHPSU
8 years ago
Reply to  Handsome Wes

Fwiw Harvey’s position towards the same topic has not exactly been consistent and has sometimes been more cavelier than the team’s.

Me, I never understand why you don’t just slot an inning limited guy in the 5th slot of the rotation.

scooter262
8 years ago
Reply to  Handsome Wes

I could be mistaken, but I don’t think innings limits have been proven to work all that well either. You mention Stephen Strasburg, and how his workload was very closely monitored. It didn’t work — he had to have TOS even after fairly stringent innings limits.

I think it comes down to this: Harvey’s body simply betrayed him. It’s actually surprising that ANY arms hold up to the enormous stress that pitchers put them through.

No team or doctor so far has figured out the magic recipe to keep pitchers healthy. All we can do is appreciate how good Harvey was at his best.

Dave TMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  scooter262

I’m almost certain that Strasburg hasn’t had TOS. He did have Tommy John Surgery in 2010, before his innings limit controversy in 2012.

That aside, though, Strasburg has been far from healthy since his innings limits ( http://www.prosportstransactions.com/baseball/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=strasburg&Team=&BeginDate=&EndDate=&DLChkBx=yes&InjuriesChkBx=yes&submit=Search ), though the counterfactual of how healthy he would have been without strict innings limits is of course unknowable.

Bjd1207
8 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

Strasburg never had TOS for sure. He had an innings limit after coming back from TJ surgery early in his career. And over the last 6 seasons he’s average 167 innings and 3+ fWAR. So I’m not sure “far from healthy” is fair, I’d say he’s an innings limit success case.

v2miccaMember since 2016
8 years ago

I’m willing to forgive Matt Harvey a lot of his his issues for one reason, Adriana Lima. Let me put it this way, If I had been seeing Adriana Lima and she suddenly broke it off with me, my meltdown would have been visible from the next Galaxy. I would have crawled into the biggest bottle of whiskey and would likely still be there.

Cartulo
8 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

There is this Bill Burr bit where he talks about people judging Tiger Woods when they have no idea what it’s like to be at that level, literally Swedish models throwing themselves at him.

I don’t excuse Harvey’s party ways, being an athlete is like any other job and if I go out on a Tuesday until 6am, they still expect me to be at my desk at 8 on Wednesday ready to go. If I’m not, then I’m gone. He messed up and should be called out but I always think about the Bill Burr bit when it comes to celebrities and their fuck ups.

2015 Matt Harvey was a good looking 26 year old with money to burn who happened to be the biggest sports star in NYC. I think of me as a 26 YO, little money, no fame, average looks, and think of all the stupid things I’ve done and I’m thankful there was nobody pointing a camera at me 24/7. Give me Matt Harvey’s life and I probably don’t even get to where he got.

He fucked up but it’s always nice to try and put things in perspective. not every 20-something kid with money has the Ichiro lifestyle. If they fuck up, call them out, but also remember no everybody is wired the same way.

tung_twista
8 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

Matt Kemp was pretty bad when he was dating Rihanna and proceeded to have an MVP level season after the break-up so there is that.

More importantly, it is not like Harvey goes from dating Lima to dating random girls. He is still hooking up with models and celebrities.

roydjtMember since 2018
8 years ago

Padres trade Chase Headley, Bryan Mitchell, and Jose Pirela to the Mets for Matt Harvey, Wilmer Flores, and Buddy Baumann.

GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2018
8 years ago

Side note but dear lord Verlander apparently won the arm stamina lottery.

tb.25
8 years ago

Our dear Lord Verlander is unstoppable.

EltnegMember since 2020
8 years ago

Verlander’s average FB velocity in 2007, the first year of PITCHf/x data: 95.0

Verlander’s average FB velocity in 2018, more than 2000 innings later: 95.4

LHPSU
8 years ago

See Lackey, John.

Richie
8 years ago

Right now there is no Big Club roster fit for Harvey. You can’t let him work out problems these big in Major League ballgames. If he wants to move on from the Mets organization, fine. But if he’s refusing transfer down to the minors period, you just cannot sign the guy.

RainmakerMember since 2016
8 years ago

In the broad scheme of things, I don’t see Harvey as a huge reclamation project. In fact, I think this sets up for a story where we could see a pretty quick turnaround.

First, if you cut out his bullpen time, his starts weren’t that terrible — he had a 13.8% K-BB, his SIERRA was below 4, and he’s still throwing around 93. I mean there are a host of big name guys with worse SIERRA’s and darn near as terrible FIP/ERAs getting the ball every 5 days across the league.

The big problem for Harvey is that his fastball is straight and without the 2-3 extra mph and accompanying spin, its not a pitch he can throw in the zone at all. So I could see a team scoop him up, work with him on that point — maybe work on a two-seam or cutter fastball to give him something else — and see him back producing at #3-4 starter level in no time at all.

Trotter76Member since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

As a Mets fan I’ve been following Harvey’s career closely, and I don’t see a man willing to work on the things he needs to work on to get by with Kyle Hendricks stuff (not that his FB is down in the 80’s, but you get my meaning). Mickey Callaway seems like a “player’s manager” as well as a pitching coach by trade, and if he couldn’t get through to him I don’t know who will.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I saw this and think it is quite relevant to the article here:
https://twitter.com/ByJamesWagner/status/992505883597967360

A team that takes a shot on him needs to let him actually rehab (he probably won’t want to, but that’s what he needs). There are probably 15 teams that would sign him if they think they could get him rehabbed and might get a 4th starter out of it in August. Pretty much any team that isn’t the Astros/Dodgers/Cardinals (depth) or the Marlins/White Sox/Reds.

bmasar
8 years ago

No pressing need for the Padres (as in, they don’t need him to compete because they ain’t competing), but it’s worth noting they have two TOS pitchers in their rotation currently in Tyson Ross and Clayton Richard. In an interview during his first start this season, Ross’s wife said Richard had communicated frequently with Ross before surgery and during rehab and was a factor in him returning to San Diego.

Also worth noting, Ross had a horrible 2017 in terms of K% and BB%. Look at him now…

Mike NMN
8 years ago

If you were a non-contending team, get him on a waiver pickup, so he costs you just the pro-rated MLB minimum, or swap him for a comparable salary dump, he might be worth bringing in and seeing if you could turn him around in time to be flipped in July. But it’s a real risk that his ceiling may never again be better than a marginal arm.

Richie
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

No, if you claim a guy on waivers, the contract comes along with. Hence why guys have to pass through waivers to be tradeable come August.

Baron Samedi
8 years ago

As a Blue Jay fan, I look forward to seeing the myriad ways in which the Mets will try to break Noah Syndergaard.

Terrible Ted
8 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

As a Blue Jays fan, I hope you keep your fandom to yourself on comments like these. As a baseball fan, I hope Syndergaard stays healthy for the rest of his career.

Zach Traina
8 years ago

Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Jake Peavy had TOS as well. I can’t remember exactly when he had it though.

cnote66Member since 2017
8 years ago

What percentage of Pitchers have successfully had TOS and returned to form? Pretty sure its a low #. I had hope for Harvey, since he was young, but TOS seems to have claimed another pitcher.

wobatusMember since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  cnote66

I don’t know the %s, but there have been relatively successful stories.

Jaime Garcia had it in July 2014. He started in the minors and came back in late May 2015 and had 20 starts with a 2.43 ERA and 3.36 xFIP. 3.77 xFIP the next year, 4.18 last year. 3.84 xFIP since the surgery.

Tyson Ross had the surgery in October 2016, 3 months after Harvey. But he didn’t pitch in the majors until June last year and didn’t pitch all that many innings. He’s having a good year thus far this year.

Clayton Richard had it in February 2014. He was an ok reliever spot starter for 2 years in ’15 and ’16, then was good last year, 2.3 WAR, 3.76 eXFIP.

Mike Foltynewicz had it September 22, 2015. Didn’t make his first major league start the next year until May. He was better than he’d been, but he hadn’t established a career baseline really yet. This year has been his best yet thus far.

Phil Hughes had it last August, and is being moved to the bullpen. Which is probably a good thing.

Harvey jumped right back into the fray last year. His first 4 April starts he averaged 6 1/3rd innings, 2.84 era, about 6 Ks to 1.8 BBs per 9. But a 5+ FIP (4.28 xFIP). He maybe should have been eased back into it more. At least his control was better in the early going.

In June 2017 Harvey was sidelined with shoulder weakness, and a stress injury to his scapula. So basically he was still injured. That means this year he is coming off his 3rd injury in 5 years.

I think he could still be good again. Not as good. He needs proper rehab time and training. I think probably for Mets and Harvey this is a needed separation. I don’t think this is necessarily the Mets’ fault or Harvey’s, although together they weren’t a good mix last couple of years. Hopefully he finds success again.

There have been success stories coming back from TOS surgery. For the most part the successes didn’t push back as quickly.

tizza
8 years ago

Meh….Here’s what you all seem to be forgetting. Matt Harvey is a cunt. Nobody likes him. Bad breaks with injuries, but he dug his own grave–and no one is going to miss him. 25 players, 25 cabs pffffft. nobody had time for that kid, even in Connecticut

SchoOne718
8 years ago

Alright Fangraph Supergeeks, someone attempt to put together a chart that shows the odds that a single baseball team would be gifted with the kind of bad luck that has a team successfully grow 2 players who would be on clear, paved, icy smooth roads to the HoF – and not only were good for the Mets but also were very likely in the top 2 or 3 in all of baseball – to then watch both the best pitcher and position players developed in 3 decades go through 2 RARE injuries EACH. Guys who , if healthy keep their franchise in the possible playoff side of the bell curve.

And they would be the best two players since the pair of first ballot Hall of Famers who just had to cut their careers with the Mets short by around a decade.

At what point is it no longer fun?