Michael Pineda’s Changeup, Present and Future
When you look at the player pages for a prospect, you’ll see present and future grades. When it comes to the grades per pitch, the difference between the two is mostly consistency. As Kiley McDaniel puts it, the future grade is “usually the best version of the pitch currently.”
If you watched Michael Pineda pitch yesterday, you know exactly what this means. By Gameday, he threw nine changeups, but by PITCHf/x he threw 12, and the number might be even larger. Only twice before in his 42 starts has he thrown that many. They weren’t all good. But when they were good…
They were great. He’d been working on the change all spring, so he debuted it with two strikes on the first batter. Jose Reyes was batting left-handed. This pitch was labeled a fastball in Gameday, and the announcers were enthused.
Ken Singleton: Not sure what this pitch was but it had a lot of movement to it.
David Cone: I think that’s a power changeup is what that is!
Singleton: Very powerful! Fell off the edge of the earth. Great pitch.
Cone: 90 mph, took a little bit off.
Singleton: Changeup, 90.
It’s an unconventional changeup, but it has a lot of movement. It averaged nine inches of arm-side run on Wednesday, about three inches more than average for a righty. That’s good because movement is the most important thing for a changeup, and hard changeups are fine for grounders, at the very least. If Felix Hernandez can live with a change that sits around 90, maybe Pineda can do well with his changeup.
| Changeup | Velocity | Horizontal Move | Vertical Move |
|---|---|---|---|
| Michael Pineda 2015 | 86.7 | -9.4 | 5.3 |
| Pineda to Reyes | 90.6 | -12.0 | 6.6 |
| Felix Hernandez 2014 | 89.9 | -6.4 | 1.4 |
The problem is, the change doesn’t always look that. Or he might *be* Felix Hernandez. In the very next inning, he threw another changeup — 88 mph this time — that didn’t look as nasty. Or at least, it wasn’t going to get offered at because it never looked like a strike.
Command and consistency is the way forward. It can be frustrating, because in the course of one at-bat, you might see the gap between his present and future grades on the pitch. In the course of three pitches, even.
He threw this changeup to Russell Martin with batters on in the top of the third inning, for example.
Meh. Decent movement, but it wasn’t ever going to get a swing.
But it did inspire the broadcast team to talk about the importance of the ground ball in general, and the importance of the changeup to Michael Pineda.
Michael Kay: We told you that Pineda looking for the double play, that’s really not part of his arsenal, he has no double play grounders in his 22 starts, dating back to when he was with Seattle, and that’s the longest current streak in the majors.
[Pineda throws a slider that Martin fouls off.]
Kay: You think that’s a product of his arsenal, David, that he doesn’t get more ground balls?
Cone: Partly yes, he’s not noted as a ground -ball pitcher, and usually power guys are more pop up and strikeout pitchers. His best chance to get a ground ball you see right there as he threw a changeup in the dirt. Brian McCann trying to get him to get the ball down. His slider is more of a swing and miss pitch, cut fastball is more of a jam shot pop up pitch. The best chance for a ground-ball pitch for Pineda is that ever-improving changeup we saw in spring training. Now, with two strikes, he’s probably looking for the strike out and a swing and miss pitch.
So Pineda threw this changeup, which had three inches more drop than his average changeup.
And the broadcast team was almost at a loss for words. After a silence, they rallied:
Cone: That’s.. that’s impressive, if you think about it, to go to his third-best pitch, the changeup, you see the grip. Sorta that corkscrew pitch and straight down. That is an outstanding pitch right-handed pitcher on right-handed batter. High degree of difficulty to pull that off.
Maybe it doesn’t matter if he can’t command it so well. For one, it gives him different movement. Because he uses a cutter and a four-seamer, he doesn’t have anything with arm-side movement like the change. There’s a whopping six inches of difference in movement in that direction, and he can command his other pitches well enough that one wild pitch isn’t such a big deal.
Consider this pitch to Jose Bautista. It was in the dirt, and it didn’t matter.
Later in the game, David Cone talked about how difficult it is to get through the batting order three times. “That’s a big test for frontline pitchers, the third time through the order. And that’s where the changeup can really help, even against righties as we’ve seen tonight,” the announcer said.
And yes, Pineda did pitch a good game, and used his changeup against batters of both hands. He got at least three our four whiffs on at least 12 pitches, and all of the balls in play were ground balls. Even if he can’t command the pitch or get the same amount of drop on every single one — which would help it become the plus-plus pitch that it might some day be — it’ll do for now, as an occasionally awesome third pitch that keeps the batters a little more off-balance.
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He always had such awesome potential, and it always hinged a third pitch that could neutralize the platoon advantage. Now if only he could stay healthy…
Side note: where do you find the text of the broadcasters? Or did you record the game and fast forward to the parts you remembered and copied them down? Just curious.
Good Read. Pineda shows good command of his fastball, so hopefully with some repetition his command of the changeup will improve as well.
Really good breakdown of a pitcher. He seems to have command issues in the cold, but put in a decent effort on a cold night. If the changeup and health continue, it could be his best year ever.
Pineda and command issues don’t compute. The guy practically never walks people. Ever.
Command and control are different. Excellent control, never walking anyone, but in the cold he can lose command and be a little wild around the zone. That’s why he pulled that pine tar stunt on a cold night.
This is a split finger fastball. Look at the grip.
He’s holding it across the seams.
Notice how you can’t see his pointer finger? It’s more of a circle change-up grip from a man with very large hands.
It’s still a sort of variant of a splitter. A circle change you put your palm on the ball and make a circle grip. He isn’t doing either of those things. His third finger is there for a additional support.
Sure, it isn’t a “traditional splitter” where your fingers are split with the seams and there is no third finger supporting it. That doesn’t make it a change up though.
Unless you throw at least 96 mpH at minimum, calling a 90 mpH pitch a “change up” is reductio ad absurdum
Looking at it again, it looks a little like a straight change grip see above : . However, his fingers are way more spread out.
Looking at it again, it looks a little like a straight change grip see above picture on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeup. However, his fingers are way more spread out.
It’s a modified splitter grip with perhaps his fingers not split as far apart as you might see. He also might be choking the ball a bit but it is hard to tell.
A circle change grip basically has the thumb and forefinger touching (or close) – that clearly is not the case in the close up. The ring finger would also be wrapped on the ball and not off to the side with that grip. It’s hard to see but both his ring finger and pinkie are on the side of the ball.
A traditional three finger change grip would also have his ring finger wrapped on the ball (and the ball more choked/tucked toward his palm) You can see from the close up that the ring finger is off the side – much like a traditional fastball grip (and something folks do with a splitter as well)
I love Cone’s commentary. He and Leiter are great on YES broadcasts, both for being goofy and pitch analysis. Singleton is pretty solid too.
The problem is wading through the pile of garbage that is Michael Kay to get there.
Couldn’t agree more. Singleton is among the very best in the business (mortal/non-Scully category), Cone is great at talking about pitching (and eager to learn new perspectives, very much including “SABR” ones), and Flaherty is as good as any ex-player I’ve heard in the booth.
Michael Kay is, of course, none of these things. His only value all year are the days that Paul O’Neill shows up to tell him he’s an asshat.
Flaherty is terrible and has no redeeming features whatsoever imo. Michael Kay, we all agree, can get himself worked up and moralistic about the most asasine topics, for inning after inning. But, on his better days, he does at least work well as a moderator and prompter for the other guys. Also as you said, Kay + O’Neill is way to entertaining to lose.
Flaherty just puts me to sleep. I wouldn’t notice if he were gone
I never want to hear about another pitcher being “proud of” a pitch again (ala Flaherty).
I love when Singleton or Bob Lorenz call a game. Michael Kay is alright, but the other two seem like smooth old school radio DJ voices. Kay can sound a little “talk radio” barky shouty at times.
I actually don’t think Singleton is all that good. I like his tone and pace, but WHAT he says is usually the problem. Too many outdated references and name-dropping. The occasional war story is cool, but not as cool when you played for the O’s in the early 80’s than when you played for the dynasty Yankees (for a Yankee fan on a Yankee broadcast)
But Cone is awesome. Really great perspective of pitching and is insightful. He is a guy who was old school who gets analytics and can talk about the two in tandem.
Kay gets bad reputation. Im not the biggest fan, I think he’s actually a better sports radio guy than play by play, as I like him on the MIchael Kay show, but dont on broadcasts. (And those who remember him with Sterling on the radio, GOD was that a rough listen)
A three man booth with guys constantly rotating kinda sucks though. I prefer a two man booth with consistent broadcasters myself. The Yanks must have 10 guys they rotate between.
YES crew is pretty underrated.
I agree they’re underrated, perhaps by comparison with the guys in Queens, who are as good as it gets in the booth.
Not to be all negative, but could a hard pitch with a lot of uncontrolled movement be a product of him doctoring the ball?
Certainly, but this doesn’t appear to be uncontrolled in the sense that a spitter or a nuckler are uncontrolled. The movement is similar in direction; only the location of the pitch is uncontrolled.
Great article. Also, really impressive analysis by Cone. He’s consistently one of the best and often cites advanced statistics in a very conversational manner. Wish he was full time on YES.
Yes. I like how he will drop a stat or advanced concept, then try to relate it as to WHY such a thing would be important or what it is trying to determine/measure. A great guy for stat-resistant fans, like most Yankee fans (the only stat that matters is Wins crowd. Or worse, rings. Well, Duh!)
Come on dude, you really think there’s some sort of significant difference in how receptive different fan bases are to advanced statistics? Unless you’re just talking about the casual/”Yankee fan cause they are the Yankees”, it’s beyond daft to generalize such a big fanbase
“Flaherty is as good as any ex-player I’ve heard in the booth.”
You cannot be serious.
You cannot be serious.
His constant use of “should have went”, by itself, disqualifies him.
He has been a disaster this year, I’ll agree.
Has taken a sharp step towards pointless-cliche territory.