My New Favorite Projection

Yesterday, I ran a post about the teams that we’ve run posts about. Turns out we haven’t written very much about the Twins over the years. We all kind of already knew that. People commented and here is one of them:

Twins fan here. The Twins bring some of it on themselves. For the umpteenth year in a row, they finished dead last in strikeout %. I suppose that in itself is worth thinking about. But now that I actually think about it, who isn’t getting his due? Trevor May? Who, Twins fans, should fangraphs be writing about that they’re not writing about?

I didn’t actually intend for things to work out this way, but let’s talk about the Twins pitchers and strikeouts.

Consider your impressions of the Twins’ pitching staffs. If you’re anything like me, you just figure the Twins have run out a bunch of Mike Pelfreys and Nick Blackburns. Years ago it was pretty obvious the Twins had a type, and it was a boring type, a pound-the-zone-and-pitch-to-contact type, and while the Twins have organizationally moved on from that, impressions and reputations linger. And it’s not like the strikeouts have started to show up in droves. That nice commenter quoted above wasn’t wrong.

Below, a plot of strikeouts per nine innings. I actually prefer strikeouts per batter, myself, but doing it this way made things easier later on. We’ll get there. For now, the Twins’ team strikeout rates, and the league-average strikeout rates, since 2000, which is as good a starting point as any:

strikeouts-twins-mlb

For a few years there, the Twins flirted with the average, and on occasion they even exceeded it. It’s worth remembering that, while the Twins have had a type, they’re also the team that introduced us to Johan Santana and Francisco Liriano. Santana went away in 2008. Liriano didn’t go away until 2012, but he had trouble re-establishing himself. And you see the greatest separation in the recent years. As the league has insisted on striking more and more batters out, the Twins have worn blinders and tried not to pay attention. They dropped back below the average in 2008, and they’ve remained down there.

Here is a related plot, more or less showing the Twins’ MLB rank. For each year, the line tracks how many teams around baseball finished with a lower strikeout rate. The maximum would be 29, and the minimum, of course, would be zero.

twins-rank-2000-2015

Believe it or not, a decade ago, the Twins had the second-highest team strikeout rate in baseball. Maybe that’s not so hard to believe; a decade ago, neither Tim Lincecum nor Joey Votto had yet debuted. It dropped steeply off from there, though, with the Twins’ rank falling from 2nd to 10th to 26th. They hung around there a few years, and then it was 2011, and the Twins finished in last. The next season, they finished in last. The next season, they finished in last. The next season, they finished in last. But, as for the next season, well, they once again finished in last. That brings us through the end of last year. As of right now, the Twins have finished last in baseball in team strikeout rate for five consecutive seasons. It fits so well with our impressions. And our impressions, naturally, have been informed by reality. So.

This is my favorite thing, though. This is what this post is all about. You need to know that context so you can appreciate the following. As we’ve noted a million times, we host author-maintained depth charts, and Steamer player projections. Putting it all together, you can get projected team rates, and the rates we display are of the per-9 variety. I went ahead and gathered all the projected 2016 team K/9 figures, based on what we have available. And now here’s the exact same plot as above, only extended through the projected 2016:

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twins-rank-2000-2016

Everything’s the same. Same peak. Same five years in the basement. And then there’s the year ahead. The Twins are projected to finish with a higher strikeout rate than somebody else for the first time since 2010. The Twins are projected for 29th in baseball, meaning they’re projected to move above one team.

That team being the Tigers. The Tigers who, as recently as 2013, finished with the highest strikeout rate in the game. The Tigers who, a few months ago, signed Mike Pelfrey away from the Twins, for the purpose of letting him start. You could say that more than makes up the whole difference. As displayed on the depth charts pages, the Twins are projected for a K/9 of 7.2, while the Tigers are projected for a K/9 of 7.1. If you want to carry it to another decimal place, the Twins come in at 7.18, while the Tigers come in at 7.13. It’s a laughably minuscule difference, the equivalent of one strikeout per 177 innings. Well within the range of error and easily erased by just quietly manipulating the depth chart playing times. The difference might as well be nothing, but the difference isn’t nothing, as I look at the numbers, and it makes me unreasonably happy. The Twins are coming out of this. They’re getting into a different era.

Rank aside, even just the Twins’ projected K/9 is important, because it would be a big jump from what just happened last year. And for whatever it’s worth, while the Twins have that projected 7.2 K/9, it comes out to 7.3 if you plug in what the various pitchers actually did last season (and use the projections for those who didn’t pitch in the majors). So this is something real, as the Twins are preparing to leave all that contact behind. It doesn’t happen overnight, but, for example, it helps the strikeout numbers to lose a Pelfrey. Phil Hughes should bounce back some, and they ought to get more innings from Ervin Santana. Kyle Gibson has made himself more interesting, Tyler Duffey is coming off a breakthrough 2015, and Jose Berrios is almost up as maybe the game’s most electric pitching prospect you don’t know enough about. The bullpen has been kind to Trevor May. Glen Perkins and Kevin Jepsen are reliable enough. And so on.

The Twins are lined up for a strikeout improvement, both now and down the road. They’re moving away from what they used to be, and while it’s not all about Berrios, there’s an awful lot of hope balancing on his shoulders. Where the Twins go, I can’t say yet, as the future is the future. In time, we’ll deal with that. At this time, I’m looking at a projection that thinks the Twins will have a higher team strikeout rate than the Tigers. You don’t win pennants with symbols, but given recent history, that feels pretty damn symbolic.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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free-range turducken
10 years ago

Yet another Fangraphs Twins puff piece….

Member since 2016
10 years ago

SMH. This place should be called MolitorGraphs.

Jason BMember since 2017
10 years ago
Reply to 

Or the more aurally pleasing GardyGraphs.

Maybe GaettiGraphs?

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

I just said “BlylevenGraphs” out loud.

JoserMember since 2021
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

… and everybody on the bus shifted slightly farther away.

Mahoney
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

ZoiloGraphs?

John Elway
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason B
dbminnMember since 2025
10 years ago

Bullpen Ks should increase as well. The Twins have five or six hard throwing prospects that will begin 2016 at AA or AAA. At least a couple of them should debut this year.

BryzMember since 2019
10 years ago
Reply to  dbminn

If they pan out. So far most of them have struggled here or there in the minors.

John W.
10 years ago

Best news I’ve had in 5 years

fjtorres
10 years ago

Looks like the race between Twins and Tigers could come down to who sees more Mark Trumbo.

Pinstripe Wizard
10 years ago

This should increase when Berrios and Meyer log 200+ for them.

BryzMember since 2019
10 years ago

Meyer needs to get his control in check before we even start thinking about him throwing 200 innings.

Pinstripe Wizard
10 years ago
Reply to  Bryz

In my opinion, the Twins don’t have the luxury of giving up on him as a starter. You can find velocity for late inning help most anywhere.

BryzMember since 2019
10 years ago

My point was that even if he remains a starting pitcher, he might not even finish the 6th inning most games until his control improves.

Eminor3rdMember since 2019
10 years ago

See this is what happens when you force yourself to write about something specific instead of just chasing whatever is interesting.

You just wrote a fairly lengthy, well-researched, graphic-laden post about how the Twins project to be 29th in K/9 instead of 30th. Jeff.

DDMember since 2020
10 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

But it wasn’t about the Cubs, because the Cubs are interesting. Hence, the whole point of the thing.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

Contrast this with your column on the Giants. There you analyzed what had been a team with the slowest average fastball moving up to something close to the league average. That’s a significant jump. This, on the other hand, is going from 30th to 29th. There is absolutely no way this column gets written if it wasn’t for the “Who We’ve Covered” piece and the comments from Twins fans. You frequently write incredibly interesting columns that help me learn new things about baseball. That wasn’t broken, so please don’t “fix” it by trying to write about specific teams.

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

It’s additionally interesting to me because it seems like gathering low-K pitchers is an actual strategy the Twins are applying, while literally everyone else is doing the opposite.

TanPadreFan
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

“You frequently write incredibly interesting columns that help me learn new things about baseball.”
I learned that the Twins finished last in K% for the last few years. I had no idea. Maybe not ‘incredibly interesting’ but interesting? Sure!
This is pretty much standard Jeff: he comes across something interesting and writes about it.

lzfreakMember since 2020
10 years ago

I’d be interested to see where the Twins offense projects for strikeout rate. It seems like the organization is becoming much more accepting of having less contact on both sides in general.

Ed_Escobars_Dirty_Sanchez
10 years ago
Reply to  lzfreak

Tom Kelly, former manager, current Assistant to GM and spring training staple for decardes, was just on the radio Wednesday night talking about how Sano has to bring down his strikeouts. Didn’t mention anything about the pitchers improving their strikeouts. I know that is just one instance but it fits a narrative (and facts) that the Twins are inconsistent about how the view strikeouts depending on which side of the ball they’re on.

I hope you and Jeff are right. I hope things are changing. I’ll believe it when it happens.

JohnMember since 2024
10 years ago

Can’t WAIT for Jose Berrios. He’s the most exciting pitcher the Twins have developed since Liriano. A lot of the bullpen arms they’ve drafted in the last 3 years should be great additions, burdi or jay or chargois or even Alex Meyer could be a dominant bullpen arm for a few years. With their avg at best infield defense, the twins will need all the Ks they can get!

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  John

I’m selfishly rooting for J.T. Chargois to make the bigs just because of the story of the awkward time I met him in real life.

Steven Gomez
10 years ago

You’d think a team with such low K rates like the Twins would place a greater premium on team defense, since more opponents would put the ball in play.

mike sixelMember since 2016
10 years ago

That has been a mind boggling problem, yes.

Mahoney
10 years ago

A couple years ago I saw Samuel Deduno’s name in a FanGraphs article and my first reaction was “who the heck is Samuel Deduno?”. I suppose that’s understandable and forgivable.

But now I find myself asking “who the heck is Tyler Duffey?” Looked him up, and he basically was the Twin’s version of Chris Heston for ten starts last year. In other words, someone any self-respecting baseball addict should know.

I will now proceed to crawl back under my East Coast rock….

BryzMember since 2019
10 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Tyler Duffey: Former college closer, part of a Twins draft where they went heavy on college relievers and attempted to turn them into starters. Duffey was one of the few that actually blossomed. Throws basically just two pitches (fastball and curve) yet his curve was so good that he made it work. Clearly needs a changeup and the projections don’t like him too much.

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Bryz

Curves tend to have reverse splits. Maybe he could add a slider instead, if he’s able to keep it distinct from the curve. There is about 12 mph and 15 vertical inches of movement between his curve and fastball. If he can fit a slider right between the two, it might be effective. Easier said than done obviously, unless you’re Clayton Kershaw.

BryzMember since 2019
10 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Duffey’s curve has a ton of sweep, so it’s more slurvy than a 12-to-6 break. Plus his minor league numbers show he’s fared better against righties than lefties in his career, hence why I said he needs a changeup.

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

When I played OOTP 14, my lead scout gave Samuel Deduno a 5-star potential rating and said he was a future ace. So I traded for him. Then my scout reassessed and said Deduno wasn’t fit to throw batting practice.

So ever since then: no forgetting Samuel Deduno.

Slacker GeorgeMember since 2016
10 years ago

More fainting with damning praise.

Viva MontenegroMember since 2016
10 years ago

29th or bust. Rallying cry of the Twins pitching staff. And the Phillies. And the Braves.

punkernikel
10 years ago

Don’t forget about us…

>The Milwaukee Brewers

Abomb1018
10 years ago

Looking at that k-rate and defensive projections (outside of Iglesias and Kinsler), it’s going to be very hard for the Tigers to get outs in 2016.

aglossmanMember since 2016
10 years ago

Weird out-of-nowhere comment, but apparently you were right about Porcello’s curveball earlier this month. He just said he’s been watching Wainwright and trying to imitate it. http://www.providencejournal.com/article/ZZ/20160218/SPORTS/302189886

Paul22
10 years ago

So, this is satire or something, right? Why do I think FG writers may now have a quota in order to cover each team more equally? Poor Twinkies