NLCS Game Five Live Blog

7:07	August Fagerstrom: Hi everyone! It’s me, August. I’ll be here chatting with you tonight

8:01	August Fagerstrom: I’m here! Let’s talk baseball, or other things if you guys want to talk about other things too

8:03	August Fagerstrom: Giants

8:04	Comment From Pale Hose What other things can we talk about?

8:04

August Fagerstrom: Literally anything! The world is yours. We had a nice little discussion on hypothetical animal fights last time, I believe it was a Moose vs. a Jaguar, but some got mad at me for staying on that topic for so long, so maybe let’s shy away from that (Well aware I just opened up a can of worms).

8:05	Comment From Jaack Wouldn’t the correct answer be neither team is currently winning?

8:05	August Fagerstrom: Oh, you.

8:06	Comment From Eric G O/U on Wainright’s innings?

8:06	August Fagerstrom: Am I just setting, predicting or both? He hasn’t gone 5 yet, so I’ll set it at 5.5 and take the over

8:06	Comment From Inquiring Minds Is August short for Augustus?

8:06	August Fagerstrom: Nope, my full name is August

8:07	Comment From Tom I went to Pitt, and they are playing Virginia Tech tonight. And I grew up in Boston and the Patriots are playing the Jets and Bruins are playing the Canadiens, yet I’m most excited about playoff baseball. Whats wrong with me?

8:07	August Fagerstrom: Nothing at all. Playoff baseball is the best.

8:07	Comment From jesus lord how can i watch it?

8:07	August Fagerstrom: Watch the game? It’s on FOXSports1

8:08	Comment From Dildo Baggins Odds Waino pitches 0 innings in 2015?

8:08	August Fagerstrom: So, so low, but probably higher than most pitchers who threw 180+ IP this year, given his age and injury history/recent concerns

8:09	Comment From jesus lord will some one tell were how can i watch the nlcs game in my laptop?

8:09	August Fagerstrom: Am I allowed to do this publicly? I don’t know. Message me on Twitter @AugustF_ABJ and I’ll DM you with info.

8:10	Comment From Matt Its incredible how Matheny has just decided not to use Wacha at all.

8:10	August Fagerstrom: It’s understandable if he’s still hurting, but if that’s the case, why is he taking up a roster spot?

8:11	Comment From Chris Is it just you for now, August?

8:11	August Fagerstrom: Yup! Don’t know if anyone else will be joining me or not, I’m guessing probably no. I told Dave that most people probably wouldn’t want to talk to just me

8:11	Comment From Jaack Well, the Giants have a Lincecum corpse on their roster that their not using, so Matheny’s just playing sportingly.

8:11	August Fagerstrom: True. Even teams!

8:12	Comment From personae gratis FINALLY!! where have these chats been all my life??

8:12	August Fagerstrom: We’ve only been doing them for opening games/elimination games so far. I believe the rest of the postseason games will all be accompanied by live chats

8:13	Comment From Jaack Goddammit I hate it when I use the wrong they’re in a chat comment that gets posted.

8:13	August Fagerstrom: This is the beginning of the end of your life

8:13	August Fagerstrom: Pablo Sandoval: still good at defense

8:15	August Fagerstrom: I think it’s so funny that this defense-heavy postseason came right on the heels of the defense/WAR debate. Not that is should sway anyone’s opinion one way or the other, really, just funny timing.

8:16	Comment From Mehwolf Going back to 2010, Giants are 11-1 in postseason elimination games.

8:16	Comment From Section 329 Welcome back, August. Fun chatting with you and Wendy the other day.

8:16	August Fagerstrom: Thanks, “Section 329,” glad to be here!

8:17	Comment From Kevin How is your hair so luxurious?

8:17	August Fagerstrom: If I had a nickel…

8:18	Comment From Krusty It’s funny to think about Wainwright grooving those pitches to Jeter, contributing to an AL win and AL home field adv in the playoffs.

8:19	Comment From James Gatz MadBum gives up 2 singles and 2 line drives, gets out of inning on 9 pitches with no runs scored. When is GiantsVoodooMagic going to become a thing people talk about?

8:19	August Fagerstrom: Pretty sure people have been accusing FanGraphs of doing this for a while now

8:19	Comment From Guest Any chance Lincecum is productive next year either as a starter or as a seriously overpaid reliever?

8:19	August Fagerstrom: Yes. I am also a staunch Lincecum believer so maybe you’re asking the wrong guy

8:20	August Fagerstrom: Ha. Both guys who fail the “eye test” but are graded positively by defensive metrics – Peralta and Sandoval – make good plays in the first.

8:22	August Fagerstrom: Wow. That swing by Panda

8:22	Comment From Shrewd Cat All-Star Game is a silly way to decide WS HFA. But AL did win Interleague games 163-137 so AL ‘deserve’s HFA.

8:22	August Fagerstrom: This is an interesting way to determine it. I think I like your way more.

8:25	Comment From Alex How can you track how many people are on here?

8:25	August Fagerstrom: I have no idea. I know on my screen, I have a “statistics” tab that shows 175 people in here

8:27	Comment From Johnnie LeMaster Who will have the better career – Panik or La Stella?

8:27	August Fagerstrom: Good question! I’m not a prospect guy, but I am in love with La Stella’s discipline/contact ability. He also graded as a negative baserunner and defender in a limited sample this year, though. FWIW, Steamer has them as similar offensive contributors next year

8:27	Comment From jesse uh, why not give HFA the team with the better record? is that such a nutty idea?

8:27	August Fagerstrom: There’s this, too.

8:28	Comment From Jake What kind of prospect was Jon Jay coming up? Done nothing but hit and hit

8:28	August Fagerstrom: Second round pick, so the Cardinals clearly saw something there.

8:29	Comment From TH wait is this a baseball chat?

8:29	August Fagerstrom: It’s a life chat! Mainly focused on baseball.

8:29	Comment From TH taking requests for somebody to do my calculus homework

8:29	August Fagerstrom: Oh, now I see what you were doing.

8:30	Comment From Jim Which stud LHP do you bank on more? Chris Sale or Madison Bumgarner

8:30	August Fagerstrom: Sale. He’s way more dominant when he’s on

8:30	Comment From Jaack Home Field advantage should be determined by a wrestling match between the two teams managers.

8:30	August Fagerstrom: This brings up an important question: Of all active managers, who comes out on top in a round-robin wrestling tournament?

8:31	Comment From Pale Hose Some good August Fagerstrom anagrams: 1.) Garage Tofu Strums 2.) Massage Turf Grout 3.) Teargas Forum Gust 4.) Amateurs Frog Guts 5.) Gaga Frets Tumours

8:31	August Fagerstrom: Amateurs Frog Guts. Fantastic.

8:31	Comment From Matt Not Ventura

8:31	Comment From Tom Ventura?

8:32	Comment From Geoff Mike Matheny v. Brad Ausmus in the finals

8:32	August Fagerstrom: I would have liked Gardenhire before he was canned

8:32	Comment From Chris I feel like Ned Yost would act like he has no idea how to wrestle, and then wrestle his way to the finals just by winging it.

8:33	Comment From Pale Hose It wouldn’t surprise me if Terry Francona was secretly a ninja.

8:33	August Fagerstrom: As someone who knows Terry Francona, I can assure you he is not

8:34	Comment From Ebenezer Great RotoGraphs article today by Daniel Schwartz, explaining Madison Bumgarner’s changes in July to his delivery, making his release point much more consistent and his pitching more effective.

8:34	August Fagerstrom: It really was a fantastic article. Go read it, if you haven’t, guys.

8:34	Comment From Pale Hose That’s what makes it a secret

8:34	August Fagerstrom: Got me there

8:35	Comment From Nick Hi August. Are you Cleveland-based? Me too!! Think we’ll be watching the Indians this time next year? (lolz)

8:35	August Fagerstrom: Live in Kent, work in Cleveland. I wouldn’t be shocked if the Indians won the division next year. I am in love their rotation. What’s better is that it’s long-term, not just next year. So many young, valuable players on team-friendly deals

8:35	Comment From Ted What would you rather have? Morgan Freeman calling a baseball game, or Vin Scully narrating your life?

8:35	August Fagerstrom: Scully because it lasts more than a day

8:36	Comment From BDF Evolution of sabrmetrics: 1. Outs are the most important commodity; 2. TTO; 3. Defense matters, guys. We’re in stage 3 now, and its prince is the Royals.

8:36	August Fagerstrom: 1. A’s 2. Adam Dunn 3. Royals

8:37	Comment From jesse is Pence the most awkward batter in baseball?

8:37	August Fagerstrom: Bartolo Colon

8:38	Comment From BDF Just finished “Dock Ellis in the Country of Baseball.” Not a great book, but a good book. Dock Ellis was a complicated man.

8:38	Comment From BDF One of his great thoughts is that poetry is like the batter-pitcher battle, with the poet (pitcher) trying to outthink/trick/blow smoke by the reader (batter).

8:38	August Fagerstrom: This reminds me of the great question David Laurila went around asking people: Is hitting/pitching more of an art or a science? Some of my favorite Laurila work.

8:40	Comment From Ian What happened to barry Zito?

8:40	August Fagerstrom: Pretty sure he’s playing a guitar in board shorts and sandals out in McCovey Cove somewhere

8:40	Comment From Jeff You live in Kent? Go to a lot of Kent State games?

8:40	August Fagerstrom: Almost never, though I do volunteer at the ticket booths frequently

8:41	Comment From Tom August, I have Founders Breakfast Stout in my fridge, but also want to make it through the game. What inning should I make my move?

8:41	August Fagerstrom: Middle of the 4th. You want to still be focused (but a bit buzzed) for crunch-time. I didn’t make it that long (Don’t tell Dave!)

8:42	Comment From Ian Your other passion other than baseball is what?

8:42	August Fagerstrom: I play a lot of poker. I am obsessed with music and collecting records. I also really like dogs (golden retrievers) and hiking with them

8:43	Comment From Jared Who would call a better baseball game? Morgan Freeman or Hawk Harrellson?

8:43	August Fagerstrom: Hawk, because calling a live sporting event is way harder than people imagine.

8:44	Comment From jesse When I was playing little League many (many,many) years ago, my coaches alway preached about “sound fundamental” like good fieding fielding and smart base running, how did that stuff some how become the realm of “sabr-nerds” ?

8:44	August Fagerstrom: Because sound fundamentals leads to creating value, and “sabr-nerds” appreciate value

8:45	Comment From Guest Why do the Giants have bad luck with pitching contracts Zito and Cain come to mind?

8:45	August Fagerstrom: I feel like big-money, long-term contracts given to pitchers are bad more often than not. Not just San Francisco

8:46	Comment From Guest Still going with 5.5 ip for Waino?

8:46	August Fagerstrom: I took the over, so yeah, I’ll stick with that.

8:46	Comment From Ryan The Giants didn’t have bad luck with Zito’s contract. Everyone knew that was a terrible deal the day it was signed.

8:47	Comment From Guest Re. Peralta failing the “eye test”: His body type is not stereotypical. However, watch him play for any amount of time, and it is very clear that he has excellent defense.

8:47	August Fagerstrom: Yup. I think if you watch without a preconceived notion it’s easy to see. Problem is, a lot of people watch him through those goggles

8:49	Comment From Hank Do you still think its dumb that teams still value “proven closers”

8:49	August Fagerstrom: Yes.

8:50	Comment From Pale Hose The other problem with Peralta is that he was really bad before he became good.

8:50	August Fagerstrom: There’s that, too. I feel like a lot of people don’t believe in players being able to legitimately improve in the field like they do at the plate, for whatever reason. Or that defense can slump.

8:50	Comment From Nick Do you think if Peralta, Sandoval, etc. lost weight and got into good physical shape, that their defense would improve measurably?

8:50	August Fagerstrom: I have no idea. What they’re doing right now is working, though, so I wouldn’t mess with it!

8:51	August Fagerstrom: Why do I have an Andrew WK song in my head? Is he being used in one of the commercials? I haven’t voluntarily listened to Andrew WK since high school

8:51	August Fagerstrom: Matt Carpenter puts together a hell of an at-bat.

8:53	Comment From the colonel Ha, I just shot a video with Andrew WK and I had no idea who he was.

8:53	August Fagerstrom: what?! that is amazing.

8:53	August Fagerstrom: Help me out, guys: Was that an optimal route by Ishikawa in left?

8:54	August Fagerstrom: Can’t wait to see StatCast for plays like that. “Route efficiency: 3.1%”

8:54	Comment From Section 329 1st baseman in left, darn.

8:54	Comment From Guest That is what we need. StatCast lowlights reel!

8:56	Comment From Matt Seemed like a tough play for even a full time left fielder

8:56	August Fagerstrom: True, the balls hit right at you, but with some slice/hook, are tough. But that’s definitely a make-able play by an actual LF

8:56	Comment From Kyle So roommates decided to start smoking weed (I’m allergic) and switch the only TV in our house to the football game, so I leave to go to my room. How do I approach them

8:56	August Fagerstrom: “…not cool, man…”

8:57	Comment From Matt You’re allergic to weed?

8:57	August Fagerstrom: Yeah I actually didn’t know this existed

8:58	Comment From Daniel Carroll Is it sacrilege to prefer Jon Miller to Vin Scully? I’m not even a Giants fan!

8:58	August Fagerstrom: I’m not too familiar with Jon Miller’s work, but the answer is yes, it is sacrilege.

8:58	Comment From BDF Why would Kyle choose to live with roommates who engage in a recreational activity in his home that causes him discomfort? Also, weed allergy doesn’t exist. He just means he doesn’t like it.

8:58	Comment From Sam Anyone can be allergic to anything

8:58	August Fagerstrom: BDF and Sam: Fight!

8:59	Comment From Guest Sam is right.

8:59	August Fagerstrom: A guest chimes in!

8:59	August Fagerstrom: Erection commercial counter: 1!

9:00	Comment From Kyle I rented the house on my own and let my landlord fill the rest. They smoke often. I’ve never smoked but whenever I am around it second-hand my throat clogs up like I am having an asthma attack. So I just leave

9:00	August Fagerstrom: Probably a wise reaction

9:01	August Fagerstrom: So, we’re talking about erections and weed. This is what Dave wanted when he gave me a chat, right?

9:05	Comment From senpaisanto who other than you’s talking erections?

9:05	August Fagerstrom: The lady on the TV!

9:05	Comment From Nick August, this may also be sacrilege, but do you know anything about playing soccer in the Cleveland area? I’ve been dying since I moved here for work.

9:05	August Fagerstrom: Couldn’t help ya, man. Only ever played baseball and ran cross country competitively

9:06	Comment From Keeper Is it fair to say that the Cardinals are 1-3 with 100 errors and the Giants are mostly spectators?

9:06	August Fagerstrom: No, I’m pretty sure it’s not

9:07	August Fagerstrom: you guys remember when the giants signed dan uggla?

9:08	August Fagerstrom: Matt Carpenter throws really overhand

9:09	Comment From Keeper Never mind with that bomb… What was your best time in cross country?

9:09	August Fagerstrom: Somewhere in the 19:30 range for a 5K. I ran the mile in track too in the mid-fives and the two mile in the mid-12’s

9:11	Comment From BDF Joe Panik, poor man’s Chase Utley or just on a good streak?

9:11	August Fagerstrom: Definitely closer to the second one. A poor man’s version of a Hall of Fame-caliber player is a pretty great player. Not ready to call Panik that yet

9:12	Comment From Nick Does @Lana have a real job?

9:12	August Fagerstrom: I’ve always wondered who that is. Don’t follow her on Twitter

9:12	August Fagerstrom: Big City

9:12	August Fagerstrom: That’s a “shutdown homer” or something, right?

9:13	Comment From Larry Bernandez Utley is hall of fame caliber? Since when?

9:13	August Fagerstrom: Since he averaged 7.5 WAR for five consecutive seasons and then injuries derailed his career

9:13	Comment From Nick “With these kind of pitchers, you either get them early or you don’t get them at all.” Mean anything statistically, or just Harold Reynolds nonsense?

9:13	August Fagerstrom: No idea, but probably Harold Reynolds nonsense

9:14	Comment From Keeper We had some really hilly courses, and i have short legs. Never broke 19:45, but I did throw a 4:45 mile once in track.

9:14	August Fagerstrom: I have a bad knee (tore my MCL) and the track always really bothered it for whatever reason. I quit track after a couple years

9:14	Comment From BDF Utley’s last two years have put him into HOF territory if he wasn’t there already. The knock was always longevity and he’s getting it now.

9:14	August Fagerstrom: He was even putting up 3-5 WAR from 2010-2012 when he was playing half seasons. He was basically been a 6+ WAR true talent level player from 2005-2012. Really amazing.

9:16	August Fagerstrom: Also, what happened to Bumgarner’s momentum

9:16	Comment From Kyle Are you from Ohio also?

9:16	August Fagerstrom: Yup, Kent

9:17	August Fagerstrom: Two most unlikely non-Wainwright hitters in the Cardinals lineup to take Bumgarner deep tonight? Adams and Cruz?

9:18	Comment From Heldmond MLB Gameday says it was a slider, Verducci calls it a cutter. What is it ?

9:18	August Fagerstrom: Pretty sure FanGraphs and BrooksBaseball disagree on this, too

9:18	Comment From Kyle And you chose to not go to OU because….

9:18	August Fagerstrom: Free tuition at Kent State

9:19	Comment From Ben No way was the pitch to Cruz a slider. 88mph

9:19	August Fagerstrom: PITCHf/x says he throws a slider that was 88.1 this year

9:21	Comment From Guest How short is Bumgarner’s leash?

9:21	August Fagerstrom: I’d say pretty short, but then again I am an advocate of the “pull your starters early in the postseason” strategy, and also it seems like Bochy has had a longer leash than most this postseason

9:22	August Fagerstrom: Holy shit Panda

9:22	Comment From Compton What is your favorite 90’s Nickelodeon game show?

9:22	August Fagerstrom: LEGENDS OF THE HIDDEN TEMPLE HANDS DOWN

9:22	August Fagerstrom: Can’t wait to look at that pitch in the PITCHf/x logs

9:23

Comment From Not an expert
Brooks said that he threw a slider in 2009, but then it looks like they changed its classification to a cutter while Fangraphs didn’t. Fangraphs classification is straight from TexasLeaguers I believe, and based completely on an (automatic) neural network model and often is not completely accurate.

9:23	August Fagerstrom: Yeah, I always side with Brooks when the pitch classifications disagree

9:26	Comment From Not an expert The real question is – what the HELL is the slower breaking pitch that Corey Kluber throws?

9:26	August Fagerstrom: It’s a curveball. From the man himself

9:26	Comment From Guest Does Bumgarner bat again this game?

9:26	August Fagerstrom: I think so

9:27	August Fagerstrom: Cards got that DP back

9:27	Comment From Matt Jay and Wong are really playing some great baseball for STL

9:28	August Fagerstrom: Gotta feel good for Wong after how brutal last postseason was

9:28	Comment From Not an expert In Cistulli’s interview, Kluber said “A slider, a curveball. I call it a breaking ball. Whichever you want.”

9:28	August Fagerstrom: He’s always called it a curveball when talking to me

9:29	Comment From Compton Does Corey Kluber smile when he’s not pitching?

9:29	August Fagerstrom: He’s actually a huge jokester in the clubhouse. He’s really funny with his deadpan delivery

9:30	Comment From Jon Some credit due to whoever is responsible for the Cards infield positioning. They’ve snared a number of hard line drives.

9:30	August Fagerstrom: I think an idea behind Peralta’s crazy defense numbers has often been a knack for optimal positioning

9:30	Comment From Ben He got picked off to end a game they were losing anyway. Anyone who holds that on him is pretty stupid.

9:30	August Fagerstrom: Yeah, but that’s how he’s been remembered by many

9:32	Comment From 5 Bumgarner throws a slutter. This is well established.

9:32	August Fagerstrom: Each new home series, the Indians have a big white board in the clubhouse where they write every pitcher’s name, handedness, general role, and what pitches they throw. The classifications they use are FB, CH, CU, SLUT

9:33	Comment From BDF Who is Ben talking about?

9:33	August Fagerstrom: Wong

9:33	Comment From Guest Slutters and wongs…are you sure you stopped the erection talk?

9:34	August Fagerstrom: Should Bumgarner have hit there?

9:34	Comment From BDF Francisco Rodriguez always maintained he didn’t throw a slider, that it was a curveball. I don’t think those classifications matter so much to players.

9:34	August Fagerstrom: I don’t think they care at all

9:35	August Fagerstrom: Yes

9:37	August Fagerstrom: Those who are answering “Yes” for Bumgarner: if he were a normal-hitting pitcher, would your opinion change?

9:37	Comment From Compton I voted ‘Yes’ because I think Bumgarner the 3rd time through the order is still better than Petit in his 1st time through the order. I could easily be proven wong by then numbers.

9:38	Comment From zmiko Ya it would have changed

9:38	August Fagerstrom: New poll!

9:40	August Fagerstrom: Yes, because he hits well for a SP

9:40	August Fagerstrom: Good defense! Good defense everywhere!

9:42	Comment From BDF I’m not that drunk, but didn’t Crawford make the last out in the 4th?

9:42	August Fagerstrom: Holy shit, you’re right. How are you the first one to notice this?! Those guys look really similar.

9:42	Comment From ocean Good defense! Except for the bad defense that allowed a run!

9:43	August Fagerstrom: Also, Bumgarner hits righty! Wow

9:43	August Fagerstrom: Total brainfart

9:43	Comment From ocean New Poll: Should Bumgarner be hitting now?

9:44	August Fagerstrom: Let’s forget that happened

9:44	Comment From Ruki Make a poll for if Bumgarner should hit for each inning. 🙂

9:44	Comment From Matt I would prefer to answer the poll after the at-bat is over. I call it, “The Harold Reynolds”

9:44	Comment From Park Chan hos Beard i just thought you were asking a hypothetical

9:44	August Fagerstrom: Let’s go with that

9:44	Comment From Jon I think people read what you wrote as a hypothetical.

9:44	Comment From senpaisanto haha, awesome august!

9:46	Comment From Guest Does Wainwright bat again in this game?

9:46	August Fagerstrom: According to Harold Reynolds just now, yes

9:48	Comment From Not an expert It’s probably true because sabermetrics are the work of the devil

9:48	August Fagerstrom: i think they’re called “cybermetrics”

9:48	Comment From Guest Is your name pronounced like the month or the adjective?

9:48	August Fagerstrom: what

9:49	Comment From 5 AU-gust or au-GUST

9:49	August Fagerstrom: first one, like the month. just looked up the adjective, have literally never heard that in my life.

9:51	Comment From BDF Are you fucking kidding me? I remember distinctly missing that on the SATs: Peaceful:Pacific::August:Powerful.

9:51	August Fagerstrom: I only ever took the ACT

9:52	August Fagerstrom: Really wanted Pence to do something crazy there

9:52	Comment From Chris I’ve never heard of August being used as an adjective either. You aren’t alone.

9:52	Comment From Guest What’s up with Pence’s throw?

9:52	August Fagerstrom: He has a spine condition, that I believe he just revealed for the first time the other day (At least, it was the first I had heard of it).

9:52	Comment From Ruki Also I have never heard of August adjective either.

9:52	Comment From Ruki Pence not doing something crazy is, itself, crazy.

9:53	August Fagerstrom: I just learned that people call Bumgarner “Big Country.” That means Big City took Big Country deep tonight

9:54	Comment From a guy who just bought some good weed Can you imagine if Eno’s article was titled “The Giants’ Roll Players Shine” and it was about rolls

9:54	August Fagerstrom: #KeepNotGraphs

9:54	Comment From Ruki So that means we need him and Billy Butler on the same team. “Big Country Breakfast” anyone?

9:54	Comment From BDF Only 68 hits ever into McCovey’s Cove?

9:54	August Fagerstrom: I think they only count the ones that go in on the fly? I bet half of those are Bonds

9:55	Comment From Dennys PR person I can dig #BigCountryBreakfast

9:56	Comment From Guest The 68 only counts Giants players

9:56	August Fagerstrom: This raises the likelihood of half of them being Bonds

9:56	Comment From Guest There are 38 more from road teams

9:57	August Fagerstrom: Sounds like Keith Law wants the Cards to yank Waino

9:57	Comment From Matt 35 of the 68 are by Bonds

9:57	Comment From Ruki Half the road team ones? Also from Bonds.

9:58	Comment From Matt no RHB has ever hit a ball into McCovey Cove

9:58	August Fagerstrom: Attention: Giancarlo Stanton

9:58	Comment From ocean Can Pence please get #Splashdown69

9:58	Comment From Sam Splash hit leaders: Opponents 38, Bonds 35, Other Giants 33

9:58	August Fagerstrom: Barry Bonds stats are just the best

9:59	Comment From Compton PNC Park originally had a tally of Allegheny River shots set up, which seems absolutely ridiculous. Official tally over 14 seasons: 2.

9:59	August Fagerstrom: I remember this. Could be wrong too, but wasn’t one of them Bonds!