No Verlander in Game 5? Really?

Tonight, the Tigers and Yankees face off in a winner-take-all battle, and just like both teams drew it up, the pitching match-up for the elimination contest will be Doug Fister versus Ivan Nova. Okay, so that’s not how either team drew it up — the rain in Game 1 on Friday made for some wonky rotations, and now both teams will try to keep their seasons going without their best pitchers on the mound.

Understanding that a round one exit will be looked at as a failure, Joe Girardi has stated that CC Sabathia is available out of the bullpen if needed tonight, despite throwing 106 pitches on Monday. However, Jim Leyland has categorically stated that Justin Verlander will not appear in tonight’s game.

Maybe Leyland is bluffing. Maybe he’ll change his mind if the Tigers are trying to preserve a small lead as the game goes on. If he doesn’t, though, this might be a decision he regrets for quite a while.

Verlander only threw 14 more pitches on Monday night than Sabathia did, and given that those pitches were spread out over a larger number of batters, you could make a case that he may have actually put less stress on his arm in Game 3. Traditionally, starting pitchers have a throw day in-between starts, which usually comes after two days of rest — today would be Verlander’s normal throw day. And, of course, there’s a decent amount of historical precedence for teams using starters out of the bullpen in the playoffs on short rest without seeing them suffer significant arm injuries.

But, Leyland insists that Verlander is unavailable today, and that he’s not willing to risk his health by having him take the mound on two days rest. I will say, though, that this is a bit of an odd time to begin worrying about Verlander’s workload.

During the regular season, the Tigers allowed Verlander to throw 3,941 pitches, the third highest total any starting pitcher has had in the last 10 years. The fourth highest total on that list belongs Verlander as well, as he threw 3,937 pitches in 2009. Last year, he “only” threw 3,745 pitches, the 13th highest total since 2002. Not surprisingly, no one in baseball has thrown more pitches in the last five years than Verlander — Sabathia comes in second on the list, by the way.

It’s not just cumulative work either. Back in May, Leyland let Verlander throw 132 pitches in a win over the Red Sox — only five pitchers have thrown more pitches in a single game in the last five years. In fact, since 2007, Verlander has thrown 120 or more pitches in a game 24 times, including his start on Monday. While there’s a lot more to protecting pitchers than just keeping their pitch counts down, the Tigers have not been shy about using Verlander over the years.

But now, with their season on the line, Leyland has stated that Verlander isn’t available. I can understand not wanting to risk the golden arm that helped get you this far, but at the same time, would using Verlander for an inning or two really be a significant health risk? If Verlander says his arm feels good and wants to pitch, isn’t the potential to advance to the ALCS worth giving him that opportunity? No one has really figured out how to predict pitcher injuries, after all. I’m not suggesting that the Tigers should knowingly put Verlander’s health at risk, but given all that we don’t know about how to keep pitcher’s healthy, it’s possible that facing a few batters tonight wouldn’t pose any real serious risk to Verlander’s arm at all.

Leyland knows Verlander better than we do, but the Tigers have been treating him like a workhorse for years. It’s just a bit odd to put on the kid gloves now and try to stave off elimination while Verlander sits and watches, especially if he’s capable of doing something about it.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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Nick V
12 years ago

I think it makes sense to some degree, or at least I can understand the rationale. It seems like their thought process is to put themselves in the best position to win the World Series, and they might think that the best way to do that is to have Verlander at his best in the games he is slated for. In other words, the Tigers might think that they can’t win a World Series without relying on their #2-4 pitchers and their bullpen. Using Verlander tonight represents too big a loss, I guess, of what he could do in game 1 of the ALCS and perhaps beyond.

They also may have reservations about using him in a RP capacity. The whole “mindset” argument. It’s easy to dismiss it as a FG reader, but these are the kinds of decisions to which a manager could justifiably be deferred.

I’m not necessarily agreeing with Leyland, but I can see where he’s coming from…

LexDiamonds
12 years ago
Reply to  Nick V

Step one of winning the World Series: Getting to the World Series.

Nick V
12 years ago
Reply to  LexDiamonds

Sure, step one is getting there. But you have to balance it. Their “math” might say that they have a better chance of winning the world series by not using Verlander, even if it means they have a worse chance of winning this game.

Mr. Red
12 years ago
Reply to  LexDiamonds

To Nick V.

Surely it would always be better for the Tigers to give every effort to win tonight if only for the increased revenue from the Championship Series.

Hurtlocker
12 years ago
Reply to  LexDiamonds

Exactly, and there is no tommorow for the loser.

Nick V
12 years ago
Reply to  LexDiamonds

Yeah, if the express purpose is to not lose game 5 no matter what, then he should certainly be made available. If the point is to win the World Series, maybe not.

Matthias
12 years ago
Reply to  LexDiamonds

I see what Nick V. is saying. The marginal win percentage that the tigers give up in this game might be more than made up for IF they get to start Verlander in the first game of the ALCS (possibly being able to start him twice and use him once out of the pen there).

Using made up numbers, because that’s all I have, say they lower their chances of winning by 5% by pitching someone other than Verlander for a couple innings. They’ve reduced their shot at the series by 5%, but not their shot at the World Series.

Their chances at a World Series would probably go from about 12.5% to 0% by losing this game. But only 5% of that was caused by the Verlander decision. In other words, the Tigers only truly lost less that 1% of their WS win odds. But if hypothetically getting to use Verlander one extra time in the ALCS raises their chances of winning that series by 5%, that would go further toward getting them rings.

A team has a better chance to win the WS once in the ALCS. Probably closer to 25%. So that 5% advantage would end up increases their WS win odds by a little more than a percent. Win probability is no conserved I don’t believe that that hypothetical, and thus this could actually be a fair strategy. In my opinion. With no real data.

Yirmiyahu
12 years ago
Reply to  Nick V

Also: don’t long-time starters who are forced into bullpen duty in the playoffs have a terrible track record?

Yirmiyahu
12 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

I’m just saying that anecdotally, but someone could do that study. Sample all players who never pitched in relief during a given regular season, but did pitch in relief in the postseason the same year. Compare regular season performance to postseason bullpen performance.

NRPS
12 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

The Book found that starters perform even better when put into a relief role. I don’t think the study was limited only to the playoffs, though.

Barkey Walker
12 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

NRPS, unlikely for Verlander–where is he going to go? Is he going to throw 103 MPH? I doubt he would rely too heavily on the curve on two days rest either.

Jacob
12 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

Not from my memory, I’m thinking of Holland this year for the Rangers and the Marlins in 2003 only though