On Being Able To Speak

There were so many concerning and reprehensible elements to Kevin Mather’s address to the Bellevue Breakfast Rotary Club — given earlier this month, but unearthed, in YouTube form, by commenters on Lookout Landing yesterday — that it would be beyond the scope of a single post to adequately address them all. Mather, still the President and CEO of the Mariners at this writing and even after the Seattle Times reported his history of alleged workplace harassment in 2018, managed in the course of 45 minutes to offend on a multitude of different levels, none of which were mentioned specifically in his apology statement. Here, though, I will specifically address the element of his speech that I have the most knowledge and experience with — the one that, as a result, was the most infuriating to me. In the course of his question period, Mather, twice and entirely unprompted, denigrated his players’ ability to speak English.

The video has since been deleted from the Bellevue Breakfast Rotary Club’s channel, where it was originally updated, but it has been uploaded elsewhere; Lookout Landing also posted a full transcript here. The quotes below are pulled from the Lookout Landing transcript. First, Mather was asked by one of the members of the Club to “tell [them] about Julio Rodríguez.” Mather’s answer began like this:

Julio Rodríguez has got a personality bigger than all of you combined. He is loud, his English is not tremendous.

Later, another member asked about what support the Mariners offered to players who don’t speak English as their first language. Mather described the improvement in such supports over the last 20 years, before deciding to illustrate his point with this example:

As far as Korea, Japan, Taiwan, those players are typically older. They don’t come over as 16- or 18-year-olds, they come over as 28, 30, 32 year olds. We typically…it frustrates me…For instance, we just re-hired Iwakuma, he was a pitcher with us for a number of years. Wonderful human being, his English was terrible. He wanted to get back into the game, he came to us, we quite frankly want him as our Asian scout, interpreter, what’s going on with the Japanese league. He’s coming to spring training. And I’m going to say, I’m tired of paying his interpreter. When he was a player, we’d pay Iwakuma X, but we’d also have to pay $75,000 a year to have an interpreter with him. His English suddenly got better, his English got better when we told him that! For the older players from the Far East, we have an interpreter that travels with them. For the younger Dominicans, Venezuelans, Caribbean players, we really invest in them at a young age before they get here. Good question! It’s important.

In my very first post here at FanGraphs, almost two years ago, I wrote about how Ichiro was othered by media coverage. At the beginning of his career, certainly, when there was widespread belief that a Japanese position player would never succeed in the major leagues, when he seemed an easy target to some people for tired, stupid jokes about how Asians look, how Asians don’t know English, how their names are hard to pronounce. But even when Ichiro was Ichiro in North America, his foreignness was emphasized. His use of an interpreter when he addressed the media, which he continued throughout his career, was itself interpreted as laziness, or pride, or both. It didn’t matter that Ichiro did, in fact, speak English, or that he also picked up Spanish. It didn’t matter that he had already explained in detail why he chose to speak Japanese in public-facing interactions. The determination, for some, had been made from the time he made his way to the major leagues, from the time he opened his mouth and spoke words that they didn’t understand: he was different, in a way that would always qualify whatever other value they perceived in him.

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That’s how Mather invoked the ability to speak English in his responses. Rodríguez has a great personality, but his English “isn’t tremendous.” Iwakuma is a wonderful human being, but his English is “terrible.” Not only that, but the labor of his interpreter isn’t worth even $75,000 in a season — and, Mather implies, his use of an interpreter was borne out of laziness. All he needed for his English to supposedly “get better” was a threat from Mather: Shape up, or you’ll have to fend for yourself

Mather drew a contrast in his response to the question about how the Mariners support their non-American players. On one level, there were the kids — the ones signed as teenagers in South America and the Caribbean, the ones in whom they “invest at a young age.” Then there were the older players — the ones coming over from their established careers in the “Far East,” the ones who require interpreters. Rodríguez is an example of the former group; Iwakuma was an example of the latter. But they didn’t matter, these categorizations Mather slotted the two players into. It didn’t matter that Rodríguez came up through the Mariners’ system of English instruction as a teenager, the one that Mather ostensibly has power over, nor that he confidently conducts interviews — and his YouTube series on the Mariners’ channel — in English. It didn’t matter that Iwakuma came to the United States as a fully adult man, raised speaking and fluent in a language utterly dissimilar to English, and that he connected to local fans nonetheless, becoming a favorite of the Mariners community while still drawing the love of his many fans back in Japan. Both were defined, in Mather’s speech, by what he perceived to be a deficiency.

It never matters; that’s the trap. It never matters how “good at English” you actually are. As long as you speak it in a way that marks you as “different,” then that is what certain people will hear when you speak. In their heads, in the way they talk about you with others, that will always hang just behind any other good they choose to see in you. When these people are the ones who have power over you — over your employment, over your ability to move freely — the effects can be devastating.

And the trap closes the other direction, too. I am second-generation Vietnamese-Canadian, but I grew up speaking only English — a choice that was borne out of concern for how a kid whose first language was Vietnamese would be treated in the education system. And so I reaped the benefits of speaking English as my first language. I was never mocked for having an accent or mixing up words, as many of my friends were; I wasn’t pulled out of class or socially isolated. Being considered as having advanced skill in English benefitted me in countless ways throughout my time in school.

And yet, because of the choice that was presented, because this option was the one that was chosen, I can hardly talk to many members of own family. Aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents: the family connections and histories that enrich one’s life are incredibly difficult for me to access. I can communicate only haltingly, every syllable heavy with the shame of mispronunciation and misunderstanding. It is an incredible, painful loss — knowing what you need to say, but not being able to speak.

Per 2019 U.S. Census data, 22.0% of Americans reported speaking a language other than English at home; 62.4% of those people also reported speaking English “very well.” Bilingualism is not only a growing reality in major league baseball, it’s a growing reality of our society. Millions of people, both in and outside of North America, watch and enjoy major league baseball without speaking English as their first language. Often, major league baseball is a supplemental viewing experience to other national baseball traditions, whose primary languages are also not English. It is a joy and a privilege to see players able to connect with both fans who speak their native languages and with fans who speak English — whether they choose to do so through an interpreter or not. The game of baseball does not have, and does not need to have, an official language.

That the president and CEO of a major league baseball team does not understand this — that he felt empowered by his environment to openly denigrate stars of his organization on the basis of their perceived lack of skill at English — is deeply concerning. That Mather claimed, in his apology, that his statements were not representative of the organization of which he is president and CEO — that they were a “terrible lapse of judgement” — is ridiculous. Mather clearly didn’t see that there was anything wrong with what he was saying; otherwise, he wouldn’t have said it at an event where he was a guest, wouldn’t have allowed the Zoom call to be recorded and posted to YouTube. And what this implies about the powerful people who make up his peer group doesn’t bode well for MLB’s efforts to appear committed to a diverse, sustainable game going into the future. It has only been five years since MLB, largely thanks to the efforts of Carlos Beltrán, implemented its mandatory Spanish translator program. If this is what is being said about established players in 2021, what is said and done about the people deemed more expendable?

Julio Rodríguez, for his part, isn’t buying it. Neither should we.





RJ is the dilettante-in-residence at FanGraphs. Previous work can be found at Baseball Prospectus, VICE Sports, and The Hardball Times.

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Rob Sheppard
5 years ago

Fire Kevin Mather. I’m ashamed to be a Mariner’s fan

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  Rob Sheppard

“Fire Mather” box: checked.

Goms
5 years ago

This will probably be the last straw for me if they don’t fire him. Don’t think I can root for this organization any more.

Cave Dameron
5 years ago

I bet a lot of owners think this way, they’re just not dumb enough to make statements like this available to the public.

Max Power
5 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

Do you think that this comment was productive to our public discourse? Don’t you think it would be better to excoriate Mather for his offensive comments rather than ascribe this attitude to a bunch of people you don’t know?

Cave Dameron
5 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

Yes and no.

Ed SherwoodMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

Ironically I expect you think the smug tone of superiority in this comment is productive.

lettowvorbeck
5 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

Spot on.

NoHayBanda
5 years ago

No place for this in the game. His departure is already long overdue.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago

To me, this is the key line, and of course it’s so much broader than just baseball:

It never matters; that’s the trap. It never matters how “good at English” you actually are. As long as you speak it in a way that marks you as “different,” then that is what certain people will hear when you speak.

(nevermind that the vast majority of people who think this way can’t speak another language at all)

hopbittersMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Often, the clearest indication that English isn’t somebody’s first language is that they speak (or write) it formally. This is not (or at least shouldn’t be) a bad thing.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  hopbitters

If they learn it in their home country it’s frequently (not always, probably not even most of the time, but pretty frequently) through someone certified through the British Council. This might come as a surprise to Americans who cringe at any enforced rules for culture and language but most countries and cultural groups with official designations and support have… fairly strict rules about language classes and certification to teach said classes.

JimMember since 2016
5 years ago

My first visit to Vietnam came in 1989. I was a backpacker. The Russians were there in considerable numbers, so the Vietnamese thought I must be a Russian. So the first thing I learned to say in Vietnamese was “I am not a Russian, I am an American.” In made up spelling “Kaum fei Linn-So. Toy la nuwee mei.” People smiled and were a lot friendlier after that. In the south, at least, they had better memories of the Americans.

ClaydvMember since 2018
5 years ago

Really grateful for your openness to write about your personal experience.

maximus74Member since 2025
5 years ago

Didn’t he also make some kind of statement that Kelenic wouldn’t be on the Opening Day roster in order to manipulate service time? That seems like a pretty easy grievance to win

Goms
5 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

Yep, he explicitly said that

diamonddores
5 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

wow. What a complete and total jacka$$

amartin
5 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

Not agreeing with anything to do with Mather, he’s clearly an idiot. In regards to service time manipulation though, I’d rather someone say that’s what they’re doing then the blanket “they’re not ready for the majors” when they clearly are. The system that allows service time manipulation is clearly that problem.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  amartin

Agreed, that is a system issue. I don’t begrudge the organizations for taking advantage of it. I blame the Players Organization for not getting it addressed as a top priority in the CBA.

bglick4
5 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

It’s like the guy was trying to get fired. The first rule of service time manipulation….

r24j
5 years ago

As usual, beautifully written. The quality of work you bring to FanGraphs is just so appreciated. So once again – thank you.

This whole story to me, was just the confirmation of how all ownership groups feel in baseball. This was the quiet part out loud on full display. Old, rich, out of touch, white dudes bragging about blatant collusion, spewing racist rhetoric and spitting on the working class who keep them on their throne.

Kevin Mather is exceptionally terrible (and is a CEO and not an owner), but the whole thing isn’t surprising. It’s just sad and a microcosm of the rot that lies at the core of sports and society in America.

Max Power
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

“All ownership groups”. What do you think Peter Seidler would think reading this comment? Do you think this type of discourse helps solve problems, or just furthers divisions?

r24j
5 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

Ah yes, the infamous “Not all Billionaires” movement has entered the chat. Spare me. It’s about the institution, not the individual.

Max Power
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

Put yourselves in the shoes of a white, old, rich dude for a second. You want to get rid of behavior like Mather’s because you find it offensive and unacceptable. Then you read comments excoriating your character for no reason. Do you think that makes that white, old, rich dude more or less inclined to fix those issues?

a different brad
5 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

It is very irresponsible of internet commenter “r24j” to waste their ability to determine the employment practices of billionaires via their words online with such mean spirited snark, yes.

r24j
5 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

Sweet lord, I hope you’re being sarcastic.

a different brad
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

Of course I am,

r24j
5 years ago

Not you, I meant Max

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

What does his skin color have to do with it?

scrap1ron
5 years ago

Speaking the quiet part out loud, eh Kev?

The main reason fans come to the stadium and support a team is the players, not the owners.

When baseball websites feature their 10 best (fill in the blank) it’s about players not the 10 best owners.

On top of that, your comment on Julio Rodriquez not being able to speak passable English is a complete falsehood. He was interviewed on the XM radio Baseball channel not too long ago and I bet he speaks better English than you.

Is your attitude toward the players, fans, and the MLBPA union a common one among ownership organizations? Well, according to their actions I’d say it is.

FunFella13Member since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  scrap1ron

With all due respect how does Rodríguez speak better than a native speaker after only 3 years.

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  FunFella13

I have been surrounded by native English speakers my entire life. Some of them (self included at times) are…not wonderful at it. To put it very mildly. Not by a long shot.

luke.shigeo
5 years ago

That paragraph about sacrificing relationships with relatives to make English your first language really cut me deep. I’m Japanese-American, I barely know any Japanese. I never had a conversation with either of my maternal (Japanese) grandparents before they passed away. Thank you for writing this.

KenMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  luke.shigeo

This clown should be fired immediately. I am a long time Mariner season ticket holder and already wrote my account representative asking for Mather’s termination. If enough of us do that, maybe it will happen. No organization should continue with such “leadership”.

yaro
5 years ago

I’ll probably be down voted to all hell but I don’t see anything troubling about what he said. He complimented both people, and even talked about wanting to hire Iwakuma. The comment about being tired of paying his translator isn’t particularly kind, but he was a player trying to make a comeback that they would prefer do another job for them. Not speaking the same language is a barrier in a professional sense and in a personal sense and pretending it shouldnt be is ridiculous. I can empathise with the writer as I am an immigrant that has trouble speaking to their relatives as well, but I do not agree with the general condemnation of this article.

nickolai
5 years ago
Reply to  yaro

This comment is well-written, but also indicates the writer is a grade-A moron.
[It’s OK, I complimented you!]

Mather’s comments are classic othering of foreign-born players, under the guise of supporting English fluency. NVM that he basically calls Kuma lazy for not trying to learn English, and that Rodriguez actually speaks it quite well. They are 2nd-class teammates cuz they don’t talk good!

bluerum29
5 years ago

As someone whose job is to help/teach students who do not have English as their first language to learn reading/writing/speaking in English, I do understand the issue of being critical of how someone sounds regardless of whether they have learned English or not. One of my students often tell me that I say Spanish words wrong because I don’t use the accent, I say them with an English accent. Just like in the reverse, it shouldn’t matter. If someone is making the effort to learn the language and utilize the English language, give them full credit for that.
At the same time I get the idea of not wanting to continue paying for translators for different players, it is a business. Paying for the translator when the player initially works for you is one thing, but continuing to do so for years on end, should not be necessary. At that point they should have learned enough to not need to utilize one. Shouldn’t matter if it is “broken” English they are speaking, give them credit for speaking it and those who don’t like the accent on it, too bad. But they should be working towards speaking it and not needing the translators.

Chaise Kahlenbeck
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

The Mariners were paying Iwakuma to play baseball, not to speak English. If they don’t want to pay for a translator, negotiate that in the contract or don’t pay him to play baseball for your team.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago

They’re paying him to scout right now. It’s not clear from the quote, to be fair

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

You’re paying millions of dollars for the player, $75,000 is a rounding error at that point. Honestly this feels more like he is literally just looking for a reason to be openly hostile, and amazingly he is choosing to be openly hostile towards the most important employees of the organization.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Player or scout? It seemed like a remarkably tin eared way of referring to paying for a scout’s translator

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Does it matter the position? Have the translator for a year or 2 max, then it shouldn’t be needed.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

I mean there’s a huge difference in paying a translator for an employee who generates 6 WAR and makes up 30% of your budget than an employee who is a rounding error. Not paying for one is being a cheapskate. Not paying for the other is cutting down on bloat.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Either way, it should be a short term expense. There should not be an expectation that it will be paid indefinitely if the employee is working towards not needing one.

TheUncool
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Whether it’s short or long term or however much it costs, they should simply work that out as part of their employment agreement. Period.

It’s totally bad form for exec management to badmouth employees that way. IF Iwakuma, for instance, isn’t worth having a translator (as part of their agreement), then don’t keep hiring him. Period.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  TheUncool

The point is that after an amount of time, it shouldn’t be needed, they should be able to speak in English at that point. That is the expectation.

TonyMember since 2017
5 years ago

I can only speak English. Therefore I do not have any right to criticize how anyone speaks English when it’s their second language.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago

The first comment seems like an inappropriate shot. But it’s not clear how the the second one is offensive in and of itself. A charitable reading is “we pay for English education for the kids from Latin America so language and cultural issues aren’t as prominent, but in many ways we can’t do that with established stars from Japan so we need an interpreter.”
It’s someone providing an example of how you have different levels of support and responsibility for different roles in your organization. The anecdote is unnecessary, but the classification seems fine- we provide different support to kids in our clubs down in Latin America than we do our established players from Asia.
I’m pretty sure Spanish support was garbage 20 years ago, and let me tell you, from experience, if you wanted to be prepared to play in the states coming from Asia you did that on your own. It seems like he was commenting on that deficiency then and talking about how they’ve addressed that deficiency in preparation over time in different ways.

I also don’t understand how it’s some moral responsibility to ignore someone’s language skills when making a hiring decision- communication matters. You’re not going to hire a single use 75k interpreter for any job you’re paying someone less than 150k for. It’s an insensitive comment but not offensive.

Demiurge
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Thank goodness there are still some folks around here who are capable of nuance and expect better of the writers on this site. Mather is clearly an idiot and his comments about Iwakuma were a bit unnecessary and crass, but there’s nothing actually offensive there. And there’s no othering happening. He’s giving an honest (to him) assessment of some of his players communication skills. It’s black and white. Does anyone here honestly believe that being able to speak and understand the language almost all of your teammates and coaches speak isn’t important? Does anyone really believe that pointing out that an employee needs to be better at communicating in a language for the sake of those around him inherently racist? It’s not.

Mather said nothing about their accents or the sound of their speech. He literally just said that their English wasn’t great. Languages are learned. Second languages are learned by choice. Everyone’s bad at it at the beginning, but you’ll get good at it over time if you make the effort. It’s a skill, by definition. A skill that Mather thinks those two players need to improve on. And he could very well be wrong. You don’t know and neither do I. Seriously, why all the hand-wringing? He’s a rude, smarmy old man. Leave it at that. No one should be writing an article about this.

seattlefan68Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

Maybe it’s not great to say in the second sentence when asked about one of the star prospects your team has that his English is not tremendous? Like that’s the quality you care about in a franchise player and one who prides himself on improving his English so he can communicate with teammates?

Demiurge
5 years ago
Reply to  seattlefan68

Re-read my comment. I explicitly said it wasn’t great. I condemned it. I also called him an “idiot” and a “rude, smarmy old man”. Reading comprehension is poor around here. The point of my comment is that the whole affair isn’t as big of a deal as many people believe and there’s nothing there worth being offended about, unless of course you’re Rodriguez or Iwakuma. If I were them I’d be a little miffed. But then I’d forget about it in 5 minutes and get on with my life.

seattlefan68Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

So if the CEO of your company specifically criticized one of your skills and talked about working to ensure you made as little money as possible for as long as possible, you would forget about it in 5 minutes? Beyond the othering that the RJ mentions in the article, it’s just not smart for a CEO of a beleaguered organization to say things that are likely to alienate pretty much every player on the team.

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

How nice of you to decide how they should react.

Manco
5 years ago

I’m disappointed. In all parties. And now FG. Why are we doing this? I’m just so confused why any of this drivel is necessary. Is business really that bad that FG needs to keep stooping this low for clicks? I understand it’s popular with baseball fans to pull down management, but it seems so unnecessary to attack people in management for not being perfect human beings. Like these people are just like you and me but they have an ever surmounting heap of responsibility to fans to produce great entertainment. And we are complaining about how the sausage is made? If we are actually realistic with ourselves, I don’t think anyone wants to not communicate well. Even the Author said the communication hurts. So why complain about it instead of encouraging solutions, especially when this isn’t a false dichotomy; like people can speak multiple languages well if they really work at it. And the general rule is that the language in a country is the one you speak… I mean that is how it is when I visit other countries. And I surely don’t get mad when someone doesn’t think my French isn’t good enough to be confused with native speakers (but I sure do have some confusion because of my pronunciation). I just don’t see why this is an identity issue when it is clearly a skill issue. I think maybe FG would have been better off interviewing those players about how they see and think about it before making assumptions and then judgments…

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

Dude the guy has a history of saying degrading things and your job as team president is literally “don’t say anything particularly stupid.” I think you can brush this off if it’s a manager or player saying this but the guys job is literally a marketing job and he framed an essentially inoffensive program meant to support players in the most tin eared way possible. This is a major reason why CEOs get paid so much- they assume the risk for stuff like this coming out and then fall on their sword when it happens. What makes that particularly appropriate here is this is entirely a problem of his own creation.

r24j
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

It’s really unfortunate people still think this way. You come to FanGraphs for advanced analysis on all aspects of the game. This is a story and one that warrants attention. It’s just weird that such a loud part of the reader base is so adamant about “sticking to sports” or whatever.

People can downvote and downvote and whine and complain all they want. Fact of the matter is tackling this societal stuff is important. You may be privileged enough not to ever feel the need to be challenged or dig deep and think about these things, but many others do. This shit was harmful and hurtful to lots of people. Just because you don’t feel it doesn’t make it any less important.

FanGraphs has done largely a great job tackling many complicated topics (Bauer, HOF, labor disputes, etc) with empathy, nuance and scope. It’s unfortunate how many people choose not to read the articles and instead defend billionaires based on their sense of privilege. I hope sports fans wake up. Because the toxicity is real and it’s sad to see people on this website particularly lack empathy.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

Thing is you’ll never get a cognitive behavioral therapy guy saying “suck it up buttercup and self actualize” here, which is a needed counterpoint some times. Not everything is harmful, not every behavior should be affirmed. Letting crap go is a huge part of maturation, socialization, and general well being.
I frankly don’t know how you even write something like that for an online space. This is an instance where it’s ok to be offended, but no one on here has written a piece, saying in essence, lighten up and let the small stuff go for any similar thing that was less severe. It just doesn’t rise to the level of a column.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Agreed. Is what he said offensive/insensitive? Yeah. I just don’t understand all the melodrama.

Estella
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

That’s exactly what I come to Fangraphs for, the struggle sessions. They teach me so much about baseball.

avega1988
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

What the hell are you talking about? Scroll through the comments and look at the up/down votes. The virtue signaling posts are overwhelmingly upvoted.

tedMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

A lot in your comment is troubling. I will focus on this: “I just don’t see why this is an identity issue when it is clearly a skill issue”.

My wife is ethnically Korean, and a native English speaker who speaks no other language. She has no speaking impediments. And yet her elementary school tested her for possible speech therapy every year (every year, same school!). Now, as a adult, it happens not as infrequently as you might assume, that she will speak to someone, and that person will look to me, confused, as though my wife requires a translator.

As the author says, it does not matter how well a person of color speaks English, not for heaps and heaps of White Americans. And that is why it is an identity issue. And that is one reason why so many foreign-born players prefer to speak in interviews and in other professional settings with the aid of an interpreter. And that is why we should expect better from someone like Mather; because they way he thinks, the way he acts, can and does set the tone for much of the organizational culture around this highly sensitive issue.

And this otherizing does not stop at language: Our daughter told us last Friday that kids at school constantly ask her if the bamboo spoon she uses at lunch is a spoon. We bought those utensils because they are reusable, sustainable and make less noise than meta ware when packed into a lunch; we did not consider that our daughter’s face would cause others to question whether the spoon was actually chop sticks. My wife has been dealing with this sh*t her whole life…we just did not see it, and now our daughter, who is adjusting to life at a new school, during a pandemic, has to deal with that feeling of otherness. Or I guess we can send silverware with her to school, and she can learn to adjust herself to better fit White perspectives.

I absolutely think this issue is worth an article at Fangraphs. It is not drivel, and, yes, it is not about on-field performance, but I appreciate that Fangraphs makes space to discuss the whole fabric of MLB, from labor relations, to toxic masculinity, to racial bias. Why should I be forced to visit several sites for quality discussion, just because certain loud segments of the readership are uncomfortable with anything that challenges their own worldview?

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  ted

Is it possible that the kids were curious because they’ve never seen a bamboo spoon before?

yaro
5 years ago
Reply to  ted

I hate to break it to you but I think the kids werent used to seeing wooden utensils. It’s a bit of stretch to assume that children made the connection between an asian child using bamboo utensils and asian cultures using bamboo chop sticks.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  yaro

If that’s the worst thing that’s happened to your daughter at school, then I think it clearly illustrates the bigger picture: society has grown a lot more tolerant and diverse. I understand it’s not at a desirable level for some, but you never really hear about the progress that’s being made. You just hear moaning about how it is never enough.

Maybe you didn’t provide the entire context of your anecdote, but it sounds like children’s innocent curiosity to me.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  ted

It is not an issue about skin color. It is about accepting that people who are working to learn the countries native language deserve respect of that attempt. Continuing to use an interpreter because some idiots will criticize them for not having “perfect” English is another form of letting those people win. The more they use the language while they are learning, the better they will get at it.

Estella
5 years ago
Reply to  ted

Because every single thing you just said is ideologically distorted nonsense, that’s why. It’s beyond obnoxious to have to read more and more political propaganda on a site that was once about statistical analysis.

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Estella

Get out of here. What’s obnoxious is telling FG what to write or telling the rest of us what to read. If you don’t like it, leave.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

as much I would like to protect myself, it won’t bring us together to understand why some people think this is a non-issue and others think this is the issue we should be fighting. I think it is a non-issue because what I find to be an issue is the line of attack that has become so prevalent since ’16 that only seeks to divide us and makes no attempt to bring it together with a solution or retrospect.

Because from the minute this was reported by Rosenthal down, there was no one iota of understanding or empathy for Mathers. I value that ruining a man’s career should be more measured than some weak quotes and poor context. I care because this trend doesn’t help us as a society grow, just as much you care for society to grow in its awareness. And I think a lot of people are irritated by this line because they have heard it droning for years. I think it would be a lot more effective to have pity for those people instead of tar and feather them…otherwise, we are just as bad that their mistake, if not worse.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

I agree with your premise to an extent. I don’t think the mob is “worse” by stooping to the level of the flawed public figure. Morality is relative and vague. A lot of times people virtue signal their moral superiority by condemning public figures who have screwed up. It is simply not enough to be offended and move on with our lives. We gotta make sure that we smear their name, spit on them, and eliminate any chance of self actuality or personal growth for them. The thing is, most of the time, people are being condemned for the interpretation of their actions rather than the crime itself.

Like I said, morality is relative. I can confidently say that a cold-blooded murderer is a worse person than the family man who steals bread so his kids won’t go hungry. In between there’s a gray area the size of a black hole. I do believe that you should be held accountable for what you say – words are powerful things. But I truly believe that there are swaths of people that are out there that like being offended. The obsessive behavior of being a social justice warrior and trying to find oppression hiding under every rock is prevalent these days, and it’s very off-putting. Maybe it’s just what I believe in, but I fail to see how bitching and moaning/getting offended by everything is productive. Some things are unfair, and we should work hard to change them, but we spend more time trying to justify everything we hear as offensive.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

Why should we feel sorry for Mather? Before we even get to the insensitive remarks, lets take a look at what his little confessional accomplished. He admitted to manipulating service time, no doubt opening the door to grievances against his organization. He called Kyle Seager overpaid in the same breath as calling him a leader of the team, leaving Seager to wonder how much his work is actually appreciated. He worried that his employees had to park their cars in an area he thought was unsafe, then bizarrely admitted that this was because he makes too much money selling parking spots in his garage to give them to his staff.

And by the way, the Mariners have not exactly been a paragon of a team recently in terms of on-the-field success. You can say that on-field success isn’t part of his responsibility, and you might even be right, but then what are they paying him for? Certainly not to alienate your entire organization in one Zoom call.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago

Barring anything else he should be fired for calling Seager a hall of famer. Anyone who is that bad at evaluating performance is not capable of running a baseball team.

seattlefan68Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Mariners Hall of Fame is different than the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Manco
5 years ago

Um because unlike Mather you don’t have a public presence so that gives you the anonymity to be offensive and say things no one would tolerate in public. And to think anyone in these comments sections wouldn’t face the same issues or worse on everything you say day in and day out is lying to yourself. Because if any report cared enough about what any of us said, we would likely be in the same position: fired.

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

You’re bending a long way backward to defend Mather. Why would you do that? Are you by nature a contrarian? Do you have millionaire relatives? Are you actually Mather’s burner account?

PhilMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

Considering Mather also said that they would manipulate service time, I don’t think Julio Rodriguez is in a position to speak out honestly about how he feels about these comments.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  Phil

Julio can say whatever he wants about it. There isn’t any consequence by being blunt to people that are being blunt to him. And from the comments about Kelenic, one can easily see that it is likely Julio is gone once free agency hits anyway because the Mariners are cheap. So why not ask the main person to speak up about how it feels to be called a “not tremendous” English speaker?

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

In this case we actually have a power differential- Julio can’t say something because there’s a real risk of retaliation.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

tell me what retaliation he could get? The Mariners are going to shoot themselves in the foot with his development? They are going to hold him the minors for more time? They are going to waste his short control by keeping him on the bench? They are going to trade him?

The worse they could do is downplay his persona and keep marketing opportunities away from him. But I don’t think that matches the vengeance about him speaking frankly about how he feels about the slight on his English (it would also provide a nice example of how much better his English actually is…).

stonepie
5 years ago

complaining about paying 75k for a translator is a new level of cheapness from baseball exec’s that I didn’t envision. Guess that’s on me…

Curacao LL
5 years ago
Reply to  stonepie

C’mon man.
I can get ten minor leaguers for a whole summer for that coin.

lettowvorbeck
5 years ago

What a crazy “the world revolves around me” thesis in this article.

I’m going to go to work for Telemundo on a million dollar contract and speak Spanish any way I want and when people point this out I will copy and paste McDaniel’s article and the tell them “it doesn’t matter how good I speak Spanish, they will always reject me.” I’ll just tell them I came to work at Telemundo as a fully adult man speaking a Germanic language totally different from a Latin-based language and that it is racist of them to criticize me in any way, shape, or form about how I choose to speak Spanish. I’ll just tell them bilingualism is a growing reality and they must accept my Spanish however I speak it or they are disgusting racists.

How much more narcissistic can an individual be than to just ignore the centrality of language and the business culture based on a language and say “you must accept however I choose to speak in whatever language I choose to speak and if you complain you are racist and should lose your job and be shunned by the world. Gosh, why don’t we just order the public stoning of Mather? It doesn’t sound from the comments thread that there is a shred of hope he will ever see the “light” whatever those comments think the “light” is.

What a sophisticated, reality based philosophy.

Try this on for size, you play baseball in America and need to communicate with your teammates and coaches in English to allow the fastest and best understanding of in game adjustments in order to WIN! Or are money and winning racists motivations to want individuals in the business of baseball to put in time to learn to speak English. Or are they Pepitone’s? I wonder how many of you know what that means in Japanese society based on baseball?

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  lettowvorbeck

Wow, this nonsense would be particularly befitting a treatment from the Serbian/Vietnamese/French guy.

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

What a crazy “world” revolves around me in this article.

I’ll work for Telemundo on a million-dollar contract and speak Spanish however I want, and when people say I’m going to copy and paste a McDaniel article and tell them it’s not. Regardless of the Spanish language, they will always say no. I will tell them that I came to work at Telemundo as an adult who speaks German, completely different from Latin, and they racistly criticize me in any way because I chose to speak Spanish. I would tell them that privacy is a growing reality and that they have to accept my Spanish no matter how I pronounce it or that they hate racists.

A narcissistic person cannot ignore the focus of language and corporate culture based on language and say “you have to accept, because I choose to speak any language I speak, and if you complain that you are a racist, you will lose your job and the world avoids Why not order the audience to reveal Mother? It doesn’t sound like a comment, because there is hope that they will see the “light”. All these comments are “light”.

What a subtle and philosophical truth.

Try this for great, you play baseball in America and you need to communicate with teammates and coaches in English to achieve the fastest and best understanding by adjusting the match to victory! Or money and victory are racist motives for wanting people in the baseball industry to spend time learning English. Or in Pepitone? I wonder how many of you know what this means in the Japanese baseball society?

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  lettowvorbeck

Found Gareth Bale’s handle

seattlefan68Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  lettowvorbeck

Do you think that playing baseball requires the same level of communication as speaking on television?

Demiurge
5 years ago
Reply to  lettowvorbeck

Well said. I’d love to see someone actually try to rebut your first paragraph, with logic and reason and coherence. It’s a perfect analogy.

seattlefan68Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

It’s not “the world revolves around me” to write an article about how recent comments by a baseball team’s CEO relate to your lived experience and issues for players from other countries in the league as a whole. Not all articles are going to analyze a change in spin rate, especially at this point in the offseason. It would be weird to not write about this, honestly.

Demiurge
5 years ago
Reply to  seattlefan68

Exhibit A. No attempt at rebuttal.

adrock75Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

No, it’s a moronic comparison and a terrible analogy. If Iwakuma were applying to be the Mariners’ announcer, without being able to speak English well enough, then it would be a good analogy. But playing baseball is the central skill he needs, not speaking English / Spanish.

Demiurge, I hope you enjoyed your requested rebuttal.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  adrock75

you do know that you need to communicate in baseball right? Like he needs to be precise and leave nothing to doubt when expressing or understanding information vital about the players he’s scouting and trying to get the team to buy into. He is a salesperson for those young players. He wouldn’t be good at his job if he could sell the players’ value to the managing members making the decisions.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  lettowvorbeck

If your point was that they were refusing to learn the language, you might have a leg to stand on. But to criticize those who have an accent while they are trying to learn the language is a different story. The rest of what you said comes off as being an ass as a result.
I completely agree that they should be working to learn English, but don’t act like not having perfect English is the end of the world.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

I don’t think this is about just accent because everyone has accents, even posh English or Boston Brahmin accent. This is about pronunciation, grammar, and vocabulary. When those are limited, communication can be very difficult. Gosh, a good portion of Americans struggles with little things like this when they write or read. Like, try understanding someone from the Bayou. I think Mather should have been talking more about this but even it is clear that even he isn’t perfect with the ever-growing nuances of the English language.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

The point is that if you are actively learning to speak the language then you are still going to have some trouble with it. But if the person is actively trying to learn it then they don’t need to be disparaged, its just rude. If they are not actively trying to learn the language, that is a different issue altogether and needs to be addressed. Most of what Maher said wasn’t wrong, some was a little insensitive and he has now lost his job because our society has become over sensitive.

bglick4
5 years ago

Seriously? You are running a baseball team that should be spending millions to find and develop talent from around the world. Why would you not have best interpreters in the world? Any language gap is a very cheap barrier to overcome. What’s 75k when you’re paying the guy millions? Of course players should try to learn English, Japanese, Korean, or Spanish (depending on the league) for the same reason – reducing the communication gap will make it easier for them to learn from their coaches and teammates and better their game. And of course many do. This is such a stupid argument to have. There’s absolutely no good reason for a team to not bend over backwards to try to lower this barrier.

lettowvorbeck
5 years ago
Reply to  bglick4

Seriously? You are a baseball player, one of the few on the planet making millions because you have the ability to play in the best baseball league on the globe, MLB, and you convinced the team that signed that you will do anything to win a world championship. You won’t spend the time and money to overcome a “a very cheap” to learning the language used on the field so that you could make an easy, in game adjustment with another player that could help your team win? There no good reason to expect someone else to do for you what any intelligent person with your gifts and opportunity would do for themselves.

Of course the self-absorbed narcissist says I don’t have to spend my time or money to improve myself to help the team I joined. The organization is responsible not me. You want to be a Pepitone.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  lettowvorbeck

You are both kind of right and kind of wrong in the way you are phrasing it. Neither completely getting the point.

a different brad
5 years ago
Reply to  lettowvorbeck

It’s hard not to note how often the people criticizing foreign players for not learning the language as well as they’d demand are themselves pretty poorly spoken if not barely literate.

bglick4
5 years ago
Reply to  lettowvorbeck

Many players will try to learn the language of their league as best as the can. I think a good player should. A good player will also do all he can to improve his pitching or hitting. Teams still bring in coaches to help them. It’s the same thing. You want to help your players play better. Diminishing the language barrier is a very cheap way to help in this.

Curacao LL
5 years ago

Mather had the temerity to give what he believed to be honest answers to honest questions.
The fool.
Give the scripted answers, or get tarred and feathered.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
5 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

If you asked me my opinion on your mother, would you not get upset with me if I gave an honest answer?

Curacao LL
5 years ago

Are you eight years old? Why would anyone care what some hump on the internet said about somebody’s mom?

What we claim to care about is authenticity. We howl and scream and ask for “real” information in interviews instead of the same stupid platitudes that get regurgitated over and over and over again. “He’s a fine young man. He gives 110%. He’s in the best shape of his life.”

Then when one exec actually speaks his mind and tells it the way he sees it, while giving real information (“we wanted to buy out his arb years, he told us to jam it”, “this guy’s English is a problem”, “we know how the Service Time rules work and we are doing our very best to manipulate clocks”), some sanctimonious blogger loses her mind and everyone rushes to virtue signal.

What a joke. If you can’t handle authenticity, stop asking for it.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
5 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

Surely you understand that being “authentic” doesn’t absolve you of being offensive.

Curacao LL
5 years ago

What did he say that was offensive? He said a guy had a huge personality and bad English. That’s an opinion. He said other guys’ English were bad. Another opinion. He said another guy’s English mysteriously improved when he needed it to be a scout. That’s an opinion that may or may not be fact. He talked about service time manipulation which only confirmed what every regular here already knows. He opened up on the contract talks with Kelenic–he was likely stating facts there as there’s no edge in lying.

He used no slurs. He did not mock them by speaking in a false exaggerated accent. He did not say they were bad people. He gave his opinion.

People get offended far too easily these days. If you want it you can have the last word.

AlbyMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

You seem to believe, quite incorrectly, that an opinion cannot be offensive. You stand as evidence to the contrary.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
5 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

Here is a good article explaining why some of his comments were inappropriate https://blogs.fangraphs.com/on-being-able-to-speak/

LanceRichardsonMember since 2018
5 years ago

I never read or heard any assessment of Ichiro as lazy. He was, and still is, one of the most universally respected players of my 52-year existence.

adrock75Member since 2018
5 years ago

The reporting from Jeff Passan on what else Mather said is further fuel to the burning fire of his incompetence. Pretty clear he couldn’t maintain the confidence of the organization after this dumpster fire: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30945058/make-amends-seattle-mariners-ceo-kevin-mather-take-back-45-disastrous-minutes-disrespectful-words

The Mariners are much better off without this incompetent sexual harasser.

Matt GreeneMember since 2025
5 years ago

Just in terms of $$$$—Iwakuma had 12 fWAR for the M’s, made $47 million. That comes out to $3.9 per million per WAR… so the M’s FLEECED Iwakuma out of 30ish million dollars and Mather is mad they paid a translator 75k/yr?

lettowvorbeck
5 years ago
Reply to  Matt Greene

Iwakuma never spent a dime learning the language his teammates spoke on the field. Now that is a commitment to winning!

DaclubbiesMember since 2021
5 years ago

Thanks for the article. So sad America is still full of ass@#$%. Fire Mather

darkness88
5 years ago

Disgusting.

glanderm
5 years ago

It seems that on the topic of “being able to speak,” the answer is no. We are no longer allowed to speak freely. We must couch our language in words and phrases that will not easily offend the easily-offended. Since the rules and guidelines for offense change minute-by-minute, then we must constantly change our speech and our words so as not to cause unintentional offense.

I remember when Amy Comey Barrett was reprimanded because she used the phrase “sexual preference” — which was entirely acceptable up to the minute before she used it. It’s a wonder that anyone whose job requires public speaking is ever able to complete a sentence without offending someone, somewhere.

Mather said Julio Rodriguez’s English isn’t tremendous. Oh. My. God. Cancel him immediately! My eighth-grade Spanish teacher once said the same thing about my Spanish. She should be retroactively cancelled! Commenting on someone’s ability to speak a foreign language is now a fire-able offense!

Mather also said that it was expensive to hire interpreters. Oh. My. God. Cancelled!! We can’t have people commenting about expenses in this day and age. Completely unacceptable! I have no doubt whatsoever that if I were to move to Japan and become employed at a workplace where Japanese is spoken, my employers would be completely elated to pay extra for my interpreter.

No, you are not able to speak any longer. Not if you want to keep your job. The perpetually-offended will never allow it.

avega1988
5 years ago

Another awful piece. The only drawback of canceling my membership is that it wasn’t immediately refundable.

Justin CoxMember since 2020
5 years ago

Thank you for writing this