Padres Could Have A Loud Off-Season
It’s amazing how one poor year can change the way a franchise operates. Prior to 2009 the Padres actually maintained a reasonable payroll, usually in the middle third of the league. In 2008 they actually raised it to over $70 million for the first time, after division titles in 2005 and 2006, and the Game 163 loss to the Rockies in 2007. But when the Padres finished 63-99 in 2008 ownership slashed payroll by $30 million, and then cut another $6 million in 2010. This year they added a bit, but still come in under the $50 million mark. That’s about to change, though.
Yesterday Padres CEO Jeff Moorad spoke to the media about his plans for the future. The report, as written by San Diego Union-Tribune scribe Bill Center, contains plenty of nuggets, but what stands out is Moorad’s stance on the Padres’ future payroll. Next year it “will start with a five,” and will increase to $70 million by 2016. Given the Padres current commitments, it could take a considerable off-season effort to get payroll to the $50 million level.
The Padres are very well set up for the future. They have no commitments past 2012; the only money they owe players in 2013 is in the form of option buyouts. Next year they have commitments to just two players, Jason Bartlett and Orlando Hudson, for a total of $11 million. There are also three players with club options: Aaron Harang, Brad Hawpe, and Chad Qualls. We can safely assume that the Padres will decline them all, which will cost them an additional $2.55 million, leaving them with $13.55 million in commitments for 2012. Where are they going to find players to fill in the additional $36 or so million?
One place they’ll pick up salary is with their myriad arbitration cases. Chase Headley, after his fine 2011 season, will command a raise over his $2.325 million salary. Tim Stauffer, too, will likely more than double his $1.075 million 2010 salary after performing well in the rotation this year. Chris Denorfia, too, could get a bump in his second arbitration round, though not as substantial as the other two. Then there are first-time cases such as Clayton Richard, Luke Gregerson, and Nick Hundley. Even then, Richard and Hundley have sustained injuries this year, and Gregerson is still just a relief pitcher. They might not earn big bucks through the arbitration process, at least this time through.
Estimating liberally, the arbitration cases could add $16 million to the Padres 2012 payroll, bringing them to just under $30 million. That $20 million could go towards extensions for zero-to-two players, such as Mat Latos, Cameron Maybin, or even Cory Luebke. But there’s no chance that such extensions add even $5 million to the 2012 payroll. Normally when teams execute extensions with zero-to-two players, they suppress salaries until the player reaches his arbitration years. For instance, when Grady Sizemore signed his six-year extension in 2006, he had just two years of service. His 2006 salary reflected that, at $0.5 million. The real money for those extensions would add to payrolls from 2013 and beyond — a time at which the Padres currently have zero player commitments.
That leaves free agency as the main method of adding payroll, but that could be a problematic proposition for the Padres. When speaking to the media, Moorad said, “This team is going to be homegrown.” That makes it sound as though they won’t make a splash on the free agency market, save for perhaps closer Heath Bell. Re-signing him could cost them about half of that remaining $20 million, and it sounds as though the player and team are set for a reunion unless San Diego can work out a trade this month. But after that, whom could they add from the free agent pool that would beef up the current payroll?
Unfortunately for the Padres, their park makes it difficult to attract premier hitters. It would take a substantial offer from the Padres, combined with a lack of interest elsewhere, for them to land a hitter of note. They could pursue pitching, but that would likely come from a reclamation project such as Harang, rather than a big money pitcher such as Mark Buehrle. Still, if they’re going to add to the payroll via free agency, signing a pitcher along those lines appears to be the only viable path. Perhaps Edwin Jackson will find a home in San Diego.
The prospect of any team adding to payroll is exciting, and it sounds as though San Diego is set to do just that this winter. They’re set up to do something big, too, considering their few and relatively cheap commitments for 2012. The new Moorad-led ownership group seems committed to building a break-even business that will continue pumping money into the team. That will work out not only for 2012, but in the long-term, when the Padres are set up very well.
Joe also writes about the Yankees at River Ave. Blues.
What year was the divorce where they shed all the payroll?
2008.
2008. And now the plan is that by 2016 the team will return to 2006 spending levels. Will any other team have such a measly growth (if you can consider 0% “growth”) over a decade period?
improvement is still improvement.
Only with reference to what they themselves created.
That’s like burning your house down, and then building it back up and saying “improvement!”.
It’s more like buying a house that the previous owner burnt down and then building it back up.
You might not like the current ownership and front office but you can’t blame them for what the last group did.
Hardly. Moorad is currently using profits from the team to purchase a franchise he couldn’t afford to purchase in the first-place. Using team revenues to fund an acquisition of the team is no different than McCourt using the TV revenue to ensure his possession of the Dodgers.
Improvement is not improvement when the end-result is the same as it was before. And even $70 million in 2016 isn’t $70 million in 2006. After inflation adjustments, it’s less than $60.
The Padres competed in 2010 due to the remnants of the previous ownership: an ownership that brought the Padres to the playoffs numerous times.
The current Padres roster is in no shape to compete, and with an owner that has said “some fans would have you believe if you spend more money you have a better chance to win”, no shape to compete in the long-term either.
worked out really when when Moorad and his group got caught up in the excitement of the 2007 season with the Dbacks and gave a ridiculous contract extension to Eric Byrnes.
I’m pretty sure Jed Hoyer won’t do that.
Adding payroll for the sake of adding payroll sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
Question:
“The Padres are very well set up for the future. They have no commitments past 2012”
Why is this necessarily a good thing? Isn’t it positive to have quality players signed to long term contracts (assuming the contracts are cost-effective)? For example, as a Blue Jays fan I’m sure glad Bautista is signed well past 2012…
Agreed – cost-effective, long-term commitments > no long-term commitments > cost-prohibitive, franchise-hampering long-term commitments.
Yes, especially in the case of the Padres, where the author himself points out the particular obstacles the franchise faces in attracting free agents. If you can’t make headway via free agency, all that spare money and lack of committments doesn’t appear all that advantageous.
Word is that Latos and Maybin will probably be the two they offer longer term commitments to this off season where the big money does not kick in until 2013-14 or so.
The Padres have quality players under club control which, IMO, is better than having them under guaranteed long term contracts. This allows the Padres flexibility and keeps the players hungry. IMO, the Padres will use the extra money they plan to spend in the future on buying out some arb years of players that are close to losing club control. Not 6 year deals, but something like buying out Chase Headleys remaining arb years and maybe 1 FA year when he is 2 years away from FA.
Perhaps it would be wise to extend some of their 0-2 players with non-backloaded contracts. So they can sacrifice a some value on their $50M payroll next year, to gain future value in a couple years when they might be competing.
BillW — That’s such a brilliantly common sense position that I’m stunned it isn’t done more. Heck, just frontload the 0-2 contracts, give them whatever $10m upfront and almost nothing later, like an NFL signing bonus.
Beats signing Mark Buerhle.
The reason it isn’t done more is simply time value of money. The teams would much rather defer the payments since $10MM today > $10MM 5 years from now. Also, the front-loading does very little for the player…what are they going to do…buy a 7th car?
You’re time value of money statement is true, but with interests as low as they are this is less of a factor. Also, Mat Latos and Cory Leubke are by no means loaded multi-millionaires yet. So yes, they would probably jump at a deal that gave them more up front money.
NFL players don’t seem to the large signing bonuses they receive.
And in any case, it’s about strategy. What is the free agent market like this off-season, as opposed to next off-season?
“Also, the front-loading does very little for the player…what are they going to do”
…ummm, put the money in the bank?
“…Jeff Moorad spoke to the media about his plans for the future.”
Do people ever make plans for the past?
based on hi penchant for declining veterans, once could say Sabean does so on a regular basis.
Ah, copy editing.
While we’re at it:
“But after that, WHOM could they add from the free agent pool that would beef up the current payroll?”
“Whom” is incorrect; it should be “who.”
Who is a subject.
Whom is an object.
Umm, no. (Well, yes to the rule, but no to your application.)
No, but they do make plans for the present
By the time you’ve made them, it’s too late though…
Might as well get a few project pitchers on 1 year deals and see if they can take advantage of Petco.
And then flip them at the deadline.
Of course, that doesn’t particularly always work, since none of Harden, Harang, and McCarthy were traded, although all played in pitchers parks. Yay DL.
(of course, McCarthy is really good this year).
As a die-hard Padres fan, I’ll believe it only when I see it.
Their 2011/12 offseason signings will be more along the lines of Ramon Castro, Omar Infante, Javier Vazquez, and Joel Zumaya than it will be “something big”.
The Padres have never (in my life-time) signed a big-time free-agent. Never. Greg Vaughn, Kevin Brown, Ken Caminiti, Steve Finley, Brian Giles, Ryan Klesko, and other reasonably established players were all acquired via trade. You can include Adrian and Phil Nevin in that group, though they were both more of the Cameron Maybin variety acquisition than in the giving-up-Derrek-Lee variety.
Expecting anything different is insanity.
No chance they’ll ever sign the big sticks, this is Petco after all, and no hitter, or his agent, will want to sign there unless overpaid (see Hudson and Bartlett, and they’re two middle infielders not big bats). Going homegrown similar to Tampa Bay is their business model but the dregs of a farm system Towers left behind has caused a short term hit with a hopefully long term return. We’ll see.
Hudson and Bartlett are far from overpaid.
Padres farm system is top ten in baseball.
Maddux? Re-signing B. Giles? Re-signing Hoffman?
Not sure what your definition of “big-time” is. Obviously they’ve never ponied up a mutli-year deal for a premium free agent, but looking at the success rate of those contracts (many Padre fans were clamoring for Carlos Lee, for example), why take the chance of drying up the team’s resources for years? Look at the Giants – Zito and Rowand are commanding $31 million (!) this year, more than half the Padres’ payroll. You’re telling me some smart baseball managing can’t get you as good or better production for a fraction of the price, like the Pads are getting now with, oh, say, Luebke and Denorfia?
I’d say the Padres need to try to focus on improving their offense. Their AA rotation is pretty loaded. They have Casey Kelly (21 years old, 3.66 FIP), Simon Castro (22, 3.06), Robbie Erlin (20, 3.23), Joe Wieland (21, 2.66), and Juan Oramas (21, 3.05). Oramas and Castro struggled in AAA but given how young they are that isn’t too concerning.
A small market team in rebuilding mode has no business adding payroll. Don’t kid yourself about front-loading contracts. They’re going to throw beaucoup $$$ at the likes of Buehrle and Jackson, then in a few years complain about how skyrocketing player salaries keep them from competing.
$70m is going to be in the lower portion of the league come 2016.
Spending this kind of money would have been good five years ago but with player payments rising with inflation it will do nothing in five years time.
One thing that gets lost in all the payroll talk is how much money is spent on draftees and foreign players and development. The Padres are not in the bottom of the league in this department. This is a matter of strategy.
I guess the question I have is, could they not have kept Adrian given their stated desire to now spend? I mean they had a superstar, beloved by the fans, a local guy, and they sent him off in a salary dump (the prospect package isn’t looking especially good right now). What message does that send to big free agents about the committment to put money into the team?
How many 70m payroll teams can afford a 20m+/yr player?
To keep one $20+ million per year player like Adrian Gonzalez you have to have a team payroll in excess of $120 if you hope to continue to compete.
There is no way a small market team like the Padres can keep a player earning that kind of money. They cant even keep a player like Heath Bell at the salary he would be worth in arbitration.
The only hope they have of competing is spending the money in draft picks and international free agents and then build from within. As well as occasionally sign a high profile pitcher in FA.
to regress a hitter based on a different K%, BB%, HR%, or — most likely — BABIP.
@nickles
What are you smoking? The package they got for Gonzalez looks fantastic at this point. Many current and past superstars have failed miserably in their “cup of coffee.” Anthony Rizzo has a bright future, Casey Kelly has an amazing groundball rate and amazing control. Those tools translate into top of the rotation success in any rotation. Raymond Fuentes is flashing the type if leadoff hitter qualities that fit perfectly into Petco Park. Signing Gonzalez for 20-25 million and over 1/3 of a 70 million dollar payroll is NUTS. Trading Adams for 2 future stud pitchers was brilliant, as well. I’m loving Blanks in left, Rizzo at first, Guzman at both those positions, and the rest of the young talent. Anyone who isn’t excited about the brand of baseball that will be played at Petco next year and beyond needs YO get their head examined.
A couple things:
The post makes it sound as if the Padres dumped payroll after having a losing season. I think the Moores divorce and pending sale had more…. naw, everything to do with it.
Why would the Padres deline Harangs $4m option? He is returning far more value than $4m and is a veteran workhorse(when healthy – like this year). Harang may be the one to decline the “mutual” option.
IMO, the Padres spend the extra money on buying out the last year or 2 of Arb and a year or two of FA for their best young players like Headley and Maybin…. not long term deals, but medium term 3 year deals. I also think they may spend some money this off season going after a big time catcher…. via trade or FA.
Re-sign Heath Bell for $10 mil? What possible reason would they have to do that? Spending big free agent bucks on closer when you’re a small-budget non-contender doesn’t seem like a good appropriation of resources to me. Let some of those studs from Ft. Wayne work their way up through the system. Go Caps!
The judge in the divorce case of the Padres owners, John and Becky Moores, locked the Padres payroll in the low to mid $40 million range.
That is the payroll we have seen for the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons.
The Moores divorce was final in February and the judge signed off on it in early March of 2011. Much too late for Moorad and his group of investors to get an impact player so raising the payroll for 2011 made little sense.
The 2012 season will be the first season they will have had the opportunity to raise the payroll and they are doing so.
Expect to see a payroll of between $70-80 million by 2014.
In my opinion it would have been better to keep Adams and let Bell go for lesser prospects at the deadline or compensatory draft picks. Adams 2011: 1.4 WAR vs. 0.6 WAR for Bell. Adams 9.10 K/9 vs. 6.79 K/9 for Bell.
This fangraphs article states that Adams is one of the best relievers in baseball:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/adams-joins-reformed-rangers-bullpen/
The relievers we got in the Adams trade are certainly NOT what I would call studs. Their ceiling is possible back-of-the-rotation starters. The Rangers felt they had a propensity for giving up the long ball–especially not a good thing for the Ballpark at Arlington–and therefore felt they wouldn’t fit them well anyway. They were marked for trade.
They both have great control but are short on stuff. When Padres players who have played in AA and have seen them have been asked about them (e.g. Hundley who did a rehab in San Antonio), he mentions things like they have great polish for their age but aren’t overpowering. Sounds Ok. Not impressive. Hopefully they hold up to major league hitters. Our ballpark is tougher to hit HRs in but we do have to play at other ballparks.
Compare the homerun minor league statistics of these pitchers:
Erlin 27 HRs, 257 IP (3 seasons)
Wieland, 28 HRs, 425.1 IP (4 seasons)
Latos, 6 HRs, 184.2 IP (3 seasons)
Elite relievers aren’t that easy to replace. We certainly don’t have anyone else to step in to replace Adams and his 1.13 ERA. In 217 innings over 4 seasons as a Padre, Adams ERA was 1.66, 0.90 WHIP! If our payroll is going up, we could have paid Adams and he would have cost less than Bell. With a shorter track record as a closer, even an extension to Adams would cost less than one to Bell. Its water under the bridge now because Adams is gone, but the pen is already struggling.
I love going back to this thread and seeing just how wrong it appears it’s going to be. The Padres and loud offseasons are mutually exclusive so long as Jeff Moorad is the owner. Here’s to hoping for a default.