Previewing Baseball’s CBA Talks

Following the completion of the World Series last week, all eyes in the baseball world will now turn to the sport’s next major showdown: the negotiation of a new collective bargaining agreement between the owners and the Major League Baseball Players Association. MLB’s existing CBA is set to expire at 11:59 p.m. EST on Wednesday, December 1, a deadline that many anticipate could trigger the sport’s first work stoppage since 1994. Indeed, while a strike or lockout is by no means guaranteed at this point, the possibility certainly appears more likely than it has at any point in the last two decades.

This post will provide an overview of the upcoming collective bargaining negotiations, briefly summarizing how the parties got to this point, what are likely to be the major issues to be hammered out in a new CBA, and what baseball fans can expect in the coming weeks (and, perhaps, months).

How We Got Here

In many respects, the seeds of the present discontent between the players and owners were sown during the negotiation of the sport’s last several CBAs, and perhaps most notably the soon-to-expire 2016 agreement. Although there was ample reason to believe that MLB’s financial model was moving in an unfavorable direction for the players, the union has been perceived by many as having failed to sufficiently prioritize the pursuit of significant economic modifications from the owners in 2016 (a claim that at least some in the union would dispute). Instead, to many, the MLBPA appeared to focus more on quality-of-life issues in the 2016 agreement, such as more humane travel schedules and clubhouse perks like private chefs.

As a result, those pre-existing economic trends continued to progress over the course of the term of the soon-to-expire CBA. The free-agent market has frequently moved at a glacier pace in recent years, while 2021 marked the third straight season that the average major-league player salary decreased, an unprecedented decline for the game.

These economic concerns were then compounded by the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic and the resulting abbreviation of the 2020 season. As FanGraphs readers undoubtedly remember all too well, MLB and the MLBPA were unable to reach an agreement for several months on the terms by which the 2020 season would be resumed, resulting in the union filing a (still pending) $500 million labor grievance against the owners for allegedly failing to negotiate in good faith.

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Given the general rancor of those 2020 negotiations, as well as the still lingering bad blood between the parties, it is not surprising that many are anticipating a (potentially lengthy) work stoppage during the upcoming CBA talks.

What’s at Stake

While there are any number of different points the parties can be expected to discuss during their negotiations, the most contentious issues are likely to ultimately boil down to three words: money, money, money.

There are a plethora of ways that the MLBPA could attempt to improve the players’ financial position in the next CBA. For example, Evan Drellich and Ken Rosenthal have reported that the union’s initial proposal to management included increases to the minimum salary and luxury tax thresholds, as well as modifications to the league’s existing arbitration, draft order, revenue sharing, and service time rules.

Conversely, the owners will likely be looking to preserve as many of the economic gains they have achieved over the past several CBAs as possible. And while MLB likely realizes that it will need to make at least a few economic concessions to the players, the owners will certainly expect to receive something substantive from the union in return.

For instance, an expanded playoff is something that MLB will likely pursue during the negotiations, an issue that the union could potentially trade-off in exchange for some meaningful economic concessions from the owners. Meanwhile, one lingering item on the owners’ wish list during the 2016 CBA talks is getting the union to sign off on an international amateur draft. MLB has reportedly attempted to revive this concept during the current talks, although an international draft is probably marginally less pressing for the owners today since they were able to successfully implement meaningful spending limits on international amateur signings in the last CBA.

Beyond the economic issues, the two sides can also be expected to discuss a variety of on-field issues as well. For example, pace-of-play concerns will undoubtedly come up frequently in the parties’ negotiations. We are also likely to hear renewed speculation regarding a universal designated hitter. Meanwhile, it is also possible that pitchers’ use of foreign substances will once again become an issue, after this past summer’s controversial crackdown.

Realistically, fans can expect to see reports that the two sides are discussing a variety of different proposals over the coming weeks. For instance, it was reported back in September that the owners made a proposal to the union under which the players would become free agents after reaching the age of 29 1/2, while teams would be required to maintain a minimum payroll of $100 million per year. In exchange, the owners asked the players to agree to lower the luxury tax threshold to $180 million. As one might expect, the MLBPA reported responded “very negatively” to the proposal.

While some of these reports undoubtedly contain policies that will eventually make their way into the next CBA, many of these proposals will likely fall by the wayside during the course of the negotiations.

What To Expect

Ultimately, the most successful CBA negotiations yield a win-win situation for both sides, providing an agreement that satisfies both management and the union, while also ideally growing the pie for all involved over the term of the agreement.

Whether the owners and players can reach such a deal in the upcoming negotiations — and what path they will take to get there if they do — is anyone’s guess.

At the end of the day, it would not be surprising to see the players secure some modest gains in the next CBA. But considering that the union would appear to have relatively few meaningful, substantive concessions to offer the owners outside of an expanded playoff format, any substantial, dramatic changes to the game’s economic system are probably unlikely — barring an extremely lengthy (and potentially cataclysmic) work stoppage.

Considering how far away the two sides currently appear to be from a deal, it will likely take a substantial effort for the owners and players to agree to terms on a new CBA between now and December 1. As a result, there will undoubtedly be ample speculation in the coming weeks regarding what might happen if the owners and players do not reach an agreement prior to the expiration of the current CBA.

The most optimistic scenario would be that even if a deal is not reached by the first of December, the parties feel that they are nevertheless close enough to an agreement that they simply decide to let the current CBA continue to govern the sport in the interim while they hammer out the final terms of a new CBA. In this scenario, offseason transactions would be allowed to continue — although some teams may shy away from spending too much money until the final terms of the new CBA are finalized — and the 2022 season would be expected to start on time.

However, if the parties remain relatively far from a deal heading into December 1 — or if one side believes that it could gain considerable leverage over the other — then a work stoppage is certainly possible.

Such a labor stoppage would take one of two forms: either a strike by the players or a lockout by the owners. A strike would entail the players refusing to work until the owners met their bargaining demands; a lockout would flip the script, with the owners refusing to allow the players to play (or get paid) until a new agreement is reached. In either case, the implications would be the same — the sport’s offseason machinations (and potentially the upcoming 2022 season as well) would grind to a halt pending the resolution of the collective bargaining negotiations.

Of these two work-stoppage possibilities, a lockout by ownership is the considerably more likely scenario to unfold. This is because — as I previously discussed nearly five years ago — a strike by the players is most effective when it occurs in the midst of the playing season, thereby depriving the owners of their anticipated ticket and television revenues. Striking during the offseason would be a much less effective strategy for the union.

Instead, as I noted back in 2016:

Rather than allow the players to dictate the timing of the work stoppage, owners in the [NFL, NBA, and NHL] have learned in recent years that they are better off initiating a lockout themselves during the offseason in order to gain leverage over the players union, thereby increasing the likelihood that the labor dispute is resolved before it consumes too much of the playing season.

Indeed, locking the players out during the offseason would offer the owners several potential benefits. First, a lockout would likely impede any free agents from signing new contracts, while also indefinitely delaying the resolution of any upcoming arbitration cases. As a result, a lockout would leave a considerable number of players in a position of real uncertainty, which could lead some to agitate for the union to agree to terms on a new CBA more quickly, or on less favorable terms, than the MLBPA might otherwise prefer. Such agitation could also potentially create friction between different camps in the players union, driving a wedge between those players who are under definite contractual terms for next season and those whose salaries remain unsettled.

This possibility could make a lockout an even more powerful weapon for MLB owners than it has proven to be in the other sports, since a much larger percentage of baseball players have yet to have their salaries determined for next year than is the case during a typical NFL or NBA offseason (where early-career players generally have fixed-salary contracts that do not depend on arbitration to determine their annual pay).

Meanwhile, a lockout could also incrementally increase the pressure being on placed on the players the longer it drags on. If players are still locked out in February, they would not be allowed to report to spring training as usual, throwing off their typical training regimens. And should the lockout extend into the regular season, then the players would begin to miss actual paychecks.

This isn’t to suggest that a lockout would be without cost for the owners. Such an outcome would undoubtedly inflict some short-term PR damage on the owners, who would likely be blamed by some for plunging the sport into its first labor stoppage since 1994. And if the lockout continued into the regular season, the owners would begin to lose that aforementioned ticket and television revenue. Along these lines, Commissioner Rob Manfred has stated that avoiding a lockout is his top priority.

But in the grand scheme of things, an offseason lockout is likely to be much less damaging to the owners than would a labor stoppage coming in the middle of the season (especially considering that much of the sporting public doesn’t tune into baseball until the summer). Conversely, allowing the negotiations to drag on into the heart of the season without a resolution would risk handing the players considerable leverage, allowing the union to go out on strike during the midst of the playoff chase, when a work stoppage would inflict maximum financial pain on the owners.

How the players might respond to a lockout is a complex topic requiring a lengthy explanation beyond the scope of this piece (one that I discussed back in 2016). In short, though, the players would likely choose to combat the lockout in one of three ways: (i) simply continuing to negotiate with ownership, (ii) filing a potential labor grievance with the National Labor Relations Board, or (iii) dissolving the MLBPA and challenging the lockout in court under federal antitrust law (an option explicitly sanctioned by the Curt Flood Act of 1998, which partially repealed baseball’s long-standing antirust exemption for exactly such a purpose).

Suffice it to say for present purposes, each of these three options could provide some advantages to the players, but would also entail some potentially significant downside risk as well. Again, though, a full exploration of the potential implications of a lockout by the owners is beyond the scope of the present post.

In an ideal world, such a discussion will never be needed, as the parties will hopefully be able to reach terms on a new CBA before (or shortly after) the December 1 deadline. But considering the current reported state of the negotiations, we may very well find ourselves delving into the intricacies of federal antitrust and labor law for much of the offseason.





Nathaniel Grow is an Associate Professor of Business Law and Ethics and the Yormark Family Director of the Sports Industry Workshop at Indiana University's Kelley School of Business. He is the author of Baseball on Trial: The Origin of Baseball's Antitrust Exemption, as well as a number of sports-related law review articles. You can follow him on Twitter @NathanielGrow. The views expressed are solely those of the author and do not express the views or opinions of Indiana University.

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tomerafan
4 years ago

Thank you, very much, for an informed and informative, and balanced, post.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I was really interested to learn that earlier arbitration was one of the things in the MLBPA’s earlier proposal. I’ve long thought that their eventual goal should be to move the arbitration years as early as possible, so that only 1-2 years of service time would serve as the baseline for going to arbitration.

Moving arbitration earlier, even if it is just one year, would be a legitimate win for the players. That, along with minimum salary hikes for players with only a handful of years of service time and revenue sharing reform (both of which were also in the original proposal), would go a long way to eliminating some of the bizarre distortions of player value we’ve been seeing lately where the most valuable players are all 23 year olds on pre-arb contracts.

I think if they get those things, plus a modest increase in the luxury tax, they would probably consider that a win. I don’t think they’re getting a lower-bound luxury tax without way more in the way of concessions than would be good for them, and I’m pretty sure the current tax line will be a much more contentious issue than in the past.

Seamaholic
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think the owners see earlier arb as a strictly financial issue. It’s more of a competitive balance issue, and is driven by the lower payroll teams. If a team like the Rays can only keep a dude like Wander for 1-2 years before he starts getting very expensive, they just have no chance. I do agree it’s fair to pay guys when they’re most valuable, but you have to pair it with greatly increased revenue sharing, or it’s just gonna cement the low revenue teams in hopeless situations.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

I would tend to agree with the basics of your comment. Moving arbitration earlier increases tensions between the haves and have-nots among the owners. It necessitates more revenue sharing, which plenty of teams want to avoid. They don’t want to have owners negotiating among themselves when they’re supposed to be negotiating with the MLBPA.

The one weird thing about that, though, is that the league’s counter proposal included a minimum salary floor. Maybe the revenue sharing involved in that was enough to get the Rays, A’s, Guardians, Marlins, and other teams who have consistently run payrolls under $100M on board. Maybe they just figured the MLBPA would never accept it anyway, but then why make the offer if they just reject it out of hand and you don’t learn anything about the MLBPA’s negotiating position?

All that said, I think pairing those changes together would make for a much healthier sport. Right now having a successful baseball team involves the management of arcane quirks of the service time agreement. And I don’t like the resource imbalances as they are now, anyway.

docgooden85Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

The owners see everything as a financial issue. It’s absurd to say otherwise.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I could only see the owners agreeing to that if the players choose not to play (unlikely) or the players concede to an expanded playoff field. Which would be disastrous for the competitiveness of the sport.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

The ideal situation for the players would be to pair the earlier arbitration with the international draft, and save the expanded playoffs for something else. Personally, I’d only want to see expanded playoffs with dramatically more MLB franchises; 16 playoff teams in a 36 team league would actually super fun and interesting. And the MLBPA would definitely like that, since it would be another 156 MLB jobs. But since the owners will never agree to a 36 team league since it will mean more small markets will be siphoning resources off the bigger markets, I’m pretty confident it will never happen and we’ll just get the expanded playoffs some way or another without it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Although I really do think there is room to add 6 teams. Even if the A’s move to Las Vegas and take away that city, you’ve still got Portland and Nashville for sure, and potentially also Vancouver, Calgary (which is quite a wealthy place), Salt Lake City (another surprisingly wealthy city), Montreal, Austin or San Antonio, and either Raleigh-Durham or Charlotte. And Oakland, for that matter, although I can’t imagine how that would come together if the A’s leave.

si.or.noMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Austin Bats!

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think earlier arbitration (which would shift millions more to players) is worth an international draft to the owners. The owners already have hard caps as it is. They know what they’re paying out every year. I don’t think the order in which those players get taken is that big of a deal to them. IDK, maybe I’m wrong. I think the sweet spot is adding one team per league (32 total), then expanding the playoffs to 7 teams per league with a first round bye for one team. In exchange the players probably get earlier arbitration and a way to end service time manipulation.

steveo
4 years ago

As you pointed out, outside of not playing, the players association has basically no leverage. The only thing owners want now is 1. expanded playoffs and 2. international draft. The players have a ton they want. They want FA to come sooner, to end service time manipulation, DH, prevent the loss of a draft pick with signing FAs, increase the salary tax threshold, etc. The owners don’t even need a salary cap since basically every team (besides the Dodgers) treats the luxury tax threshold like a salary cap.

The owners have basically gotten everything they wanted already. Draft bonus pools with a hard cap, draft slots, international hard caps, additional wild card team, more punitive luxury tax penalties, abolishing September call-ups, etc. And the players got nothing substantial in return. The MLBPA sold out the players that came before them and literally got nothing in return. Ironically their own eagerness to sell out their incoming draftees/IFA signees might’ve doomed them in future negotiations.

I’m not sure where I’m going with this comment but outside of the players not playing, I don’t expect much to change. I’m sure they’ll concede an international draft (because they don’t care about the players that come before them) for something small. I’m sure the major issues won’t get addressed, and baseball will be back in 2022 on time. Adding additional playoff teams would be disastrous for the sport. It might be nice for more fans to have playoff games but in terms of paying the players and competitiveness, why would a team try to be anything more than 85ish win team? Hell, an 80 win team with good luck can make it. Had they expanded the field to 7 teams in each league, the 83 win Reds and the 82 win Phillies would’ve made the playoffs. Teams aren’t trying to win as it is. Imagine what expanding the playoffs would do. It wouldn’t end the sport, but it would destroy it’s economics.

MikeSMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

This is how I feel about it. The players position is that they gave away too much in the last couple CBA’s and now they want some of it back, but that just doesn’t happen for free in labor negotiations. They have very little to give in exchange at this point so I think an extra round of playoffs are a given. Get ready for the World Series to compete with the Cowboys and Lions on Thanksgiving. An international draft is also probably going to happen, but the owners already have cost certainty there so giving that up isn’t going to get the players anything major, like decrease in service time before free agency. The only other thing that I can see for them to give up is to drop the half billion dollar grievance from last year. Even that may not be all that valuable to the owners depending on what the attorneys think are the chances the players win it.

I’m not as optimistic as you are about 2022 starting on time. I think the players are especially pissed about the slow FA market and service time manipulation – two things that are interconnected, and two of the owner’s favorite things for controlling labor costs. I bet we have two years out of three where MLB doesn’t play a 162 game schedule.

tuna411
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

slow free agent market for BIG stars is a direct result of borass

bluerum29
4 years ago

Number 1 concern is for whatever it takes to happen to keep the DH out of the NL. If that means a lockout, then so be it.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

That’s the hill you’d die on? Glad you’re not involved in the negotiations.

bluerum29
4 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

When it comes to negotiations, the financial components matter. As a fan, the part I care about the most is keeping the DH out of the NL. I have rarely ever watched AL games, have traditional preferred the way the NL game is played over it.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Ah yes, pitchers batting .100, bunting, and double switches! Very exciting. Much strategy.

bluerum29
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

bunting, hit and runs, when to take out the pitcher, when to let them hit and stay in the game, some pitchers can actually hit, moving runners over, manufacturing runs, lower scoring games. All things I prefer. I like a 4-2 game more than a 8-7 game.

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Both leagues have to decide when to take out the pitcher. The kit and run is almost never applied with a pitcher up, because they can’t hit. The decision to pinch hit for pitchers rarely has anything to do with how a pitcher hits. And for almost all pitchers bunting largely isn’t a strategy – its simply what you do if there’s a baserunner.

And re “some pitchers can hit” – in 2021 13 Ps with at least 30 Plate appearances hit (BA) over .175 (less than 1 per NL team), 4 over .225. 66 Ps qualified. That’s 1.5 PAs in 20 games. Lower the threshold to 20 PAs you get 2 more that exceeded .175, no more over .225, with 83 qualified. This latter translates to about 1.5 PAs in 13 games. The MLB average K% in 2021 was 23.2%. 4 pitchers with at least 20 PAs did better than that.

Exactly 1 pitcher had off fWAR over 0.0. What that means is that 1 pitcher “could hit” this year.

Basically we’ve already given up on pitchers batting. Now its largely just embarrassing.

You’re certainly allowed your preferences – that doesn’t mean they make the game better. Your positioning of either 4-2 games or 8-7 games is simply hyperbolic. If a DH could make that much difference we would have had such long ago. MLB is heavily tipping towards to improving the run scoring environment – they must surely be doing that because they feel more fans prefer such.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

I actually think there’s a chance it doesn’t happen. MLB sees it as an economic issue and thinks it is valuable, repeatedly offering it up as a concession, while the MLBPA (rightly) sees it as a marginal issue. There’s no real constituency against the DH in the NL, but I don’t think there’s much of a constituency for it either.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

MLB’s position makes no sense, and I doubt they believe it themselves. “Adding” the DH makes no difference to players unless rosters are expanded. There are still the same number of jobs.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

The only advantage is that it would increase the market for players who can still hit but really shouldn’t field anymore. Since they would most likely be taking the spot of a third catcher or defensive replacement / pinch runner or low-end utility guy, there is some financial advantage for about 8-10 players, although only 1-3 in a given offseason. That is…not worth much. I can’t even think of something that would be an equivalent benefit for the owners that could be traded for it.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It seems like a PR play on the owners’ part to me. They can be seen as willing to negotiate something that neither side particularly cares about, but that is better understood and more important to the baseball public than many of the real economic issues.

maximus74Member since 2025
4 years ago

Why would the MLBPA care about an international player draft when they’ve shown complete indifference about the plight of MiLB players?

eph1970Member since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

Great question. Why would the plumbers’ union be upset that roofers are being exploited?

RobertMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  eph1970

Edit this to include Plumbers “apprentices.” Are not MiLB “apprentices?” Are not plumbers apprentices in the Union. The newly hired (signed) MiLB player should be a member of the MLBPA….and MLB should be Professional Baseball Players.

MikeSMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

They don’t, which is why they would gladly let the owners have it if they got something back.

Problem is, the owners don’t care about it much either since they already got the hard cap on international spending to control that cost.

noah2112Member since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

It mostly players from Latin American countries who oppose the international draft. They point to the shar decline in Puerto Rican players since they were added to the domestic draft a couple of decades ago. During the 2016 CBA talks, a number of prominent Latino players took very vocal stances against the international draft.

jsdspudMember since 2018
4 years ago

The players really need to get some sort of payroll floor instituted. There is currently a soft cap in place and without a floor, so owners can lower payroll as far as they want. This hurts the middle tier of free agents as only a few teams exceed the cap on a regular basis and roster spots on those teams are limited.

In order to reduce tanking, the players need to decouple draft bonus pools from the standings. Continue to draft in the reverse order of standings but give the bottom 15 teams the same amount of pool space. Then there is not a reward for finishing worst. Personally, I would eliminate the pools altogether but I believe that they won’t go away now.

Alice Cooper
4 years ago
Reply to  jsdspud

Ah yes, the Josh Bell rule.

When the Yankees and Red Sox cried poor because the Pirates spent more than they did in the draft and MLB tripped over themselves to cater to the elites once again.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  Alice Cooper

Could you explain this? I feel like I’m missing something

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  Alice Cooper

Also, how exactly does MLB cater to big market teams? Name one thing they’ve done in the past two CBAs that catered to big market teams. Draft pick compensation is still there, hard draft caps, draft slots, IFA caps, stiffer luxury tax penalties, etc. MLB has greatly given more power to small market teams. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the cheap owner of your favorite team.

maximus74Member since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  jsdspud

instead of calling it a salary floor, just put rules on the CBT payouts saying that a certain % must go directly to player salaries or its forfeited

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

OR set up an inverse of the luxury tax, where RS payouts are reduced somewhat to teams below an established base threshold. The mechanism is already there at the top of the scale, and seems to have an impact. Try this first at the other end and see if that can achieve similar results.

I do think teams should have the option to “tear down” and rebuild. I just think the other 29 teams shouldn’t be obligated to help finance the effort.

Dave TMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  maximus74

Money is fungible, so any sort of provision saying that CBT payouts need to be dedicated to a specific purpose would be some combination of complex, ambiguous, and workable.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

Well this is something. I can’t put the link in, but apparently MLB made a proposal to replace the arbitration system with a formula based on fWAR.

PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

While any value based measurement would be better than the current use of old time stats like RBI, I think using just one type of the value metrics (bWAR, fWAR, WARP, Win Shares, etc) would have unintended consequences & maybe skew valuations.

I’m sure the owners of Fangraphs (& good framing catchers) would love it as millions of fans flock to the site every November to look at the fWAR #’s., but, I’d think taking some weighted combo of the 3-4 measurements would be better

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

I think there’s a real question of whether, if public-facing measures like fWAR become the target, it would still serve as an effective measurement mechanism. People try to game systems when used as benchmarks against performance.

I think it would be a step forwards in some ways but you’d also find some bizarre things, especially when it comes to pitching performance. I’d definitely prefer using an xERA-based measure for pitchers, and there’s lots of questions about how to properly value relievers.

Of course, the real reason the MLBPA is opposing it is because by outlining exactly how it would be tied to fWAR it would also serve as de facto cost containment. Right now, there’s a general sense in arbitration that salaries will raise over time. Putting it as one more thing to bargain about in the CBA is one more thing they have to fight for.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I guess I’m not following how tying arbitration to WAR would serve as de facto cost containment. Do you mean because it wouldn’t account for inflation? It seems pretty easy to tie it to CPI or to scale the payout based on total MLB salaries for players not under team control, or something along those lines.

I’m not sure how a player could really game the metric either, except by playing better.

There would be the usual issues with the limitations of WAR (catcher defense, defense in general, reliever valuation, positional adjustment values). It’d still be better than the current system.

Psychic... Powerless...
4 years ago

Always enjoy your work, Nathaniel. I hope we hear from you again on this topic.

SenorGato
4 years ago

Wow, thanks for the comprehensive round up

That one of the players’ 3 obvious options during a lockout is to disband the union is one of the many things that demonstrate just how dominant ownership is in the 21st century. The impact would be devastating and take generations to recover, by which point you’re even more generations beyond an already losing position

I laughed out loud reading the owners want to pay by WAR. Their whole strategy lately has been finding ways to take playing time away, always with the support of their legions since this makes them feel smart (a treat for their pets in a sense), and at pretty much every single level of ball (which they’ve also worked on gaining as much control as possible of). These guys love talking about merit until it comes to them, and the long defeated public tends to gobble it up yum yumyum bc data is all we have left

docgooden85Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

This is a tough sell on a site where most of the “fans” can’t throw a baseball through wet cardboard and dream of being a wage-limiting GM rather than hitting a walkoff HR. The front office fantasies are not just unrealistic but also immoral, people.

Dave TMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

This comment reflects a misunderstanding of the decertification strategy. This exact strategy was used by the NFLPA in 2011. Union members voted to decertify in March (renouncing the NFLPA’s bargaining rights), several players immediately filed an antitrust suit against a lockout, and there was a settlement of the antitrust litigation in July followed by the NFLPA being reinstated as the players’ bargaining representative.

It’s in fact an idea that provides power to a players’ union, because the union membership can decide at its discretion to flip the relevant legal framework between collective bargaining labor law and antitrust law.

docgooden85Member since 2018
4 years ago

“it will likely take a substantial effort for the owners and players to agree to terms on a new CBA between now and December 1”

This is a hilarious attempt at both sides-ism. Just say there is not a chance in hell this is happening and it will lend credibility to the rest of your words.

docgooden85Member since 2018
4 years ago

I would like to see the MLBPA hold out long enough to hurt the owners and affect some meaningful changes, not this penny ante bullshit currently being discussed. I’m willing to lose a couple years of watching MLB to get the (non-star) players compensated in a reasonable manner.

Dave TMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  docgooden85

A couple years without MLB would be a terrible outcome for the players as well as the owners. Current players clearly wouldn’t get enough gains from any possible CBA changes to make up for the loss of a couple years of earnings. Not only that, but the overwhelming likelihood is that the medium-term to long-term negative impact on total MLB revenue would also overwhelm the impact of any CBA changes for future players.

Expanding on that latter point: I think that various pronouncements of the “demise of baseball” are overstated. That said, the long-term trends of its popularity in the U.S. compared to other professional sports aren’t great. It’s obviously a very competitive environment competing for people’s attention and dollars with so many available entertainment options, including other sports. The overwhelming likelihood is that a couple years without MLB games would reset overall interest – and therefore revenue – at a permanently lower level. It wouldn’t “kill the sport”, but it would be a really bad economic outcome for both owners and players.