Prospect Stock Watch: Toronto Blue Jays
The author attended a Double-A Eastern League game on Tuesday between the Bowie Baysox (a Baltimore affiliate) and New Hampshire Fisher Cats (Toronto) in Manchester, NH. What follows is a brief examination of three Blue Jays prospects from same.
After returning in May from a 50-game suspension for a banned stimulant, the right-handed Duke product Stroman has been excellent for New Hampshire, having recorded strikeout and walk rates of 29.9% and 6.8%, respectively, entering Tuesday’s contest. Those figures situate him third among Eastern League starters behind only Cleveland prospect Danny Salazar (since promoted) and the Mets’ Noah Syndergaard by SCOUT, itself essentially a regressed (and probably poorly calculated) form of kwERA.
To wit:
| Rank | Player | Team | Age | G | GS | IP | TBF | K | BB | xK% | xBB% | SCOUT- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Danny Salazar | Indians (AA) | 23 | 7 | 7 | 33.2 | 133 | 51 | 10 | 36.3% | 8.8% | 52 |
| 2 | Noah Syndergaard | Mets (AA) | 20 | 8 | 8 | 41.0 | 158 | 49 | 9 | 31.0% | 8.2% | 66 |
| 3 | Marcus Stroman | Blue Jays (AA) | 22 | 15 | 15 | 83.0 | 336 | 99 | 21 | 29.5% | 7.4% | 68 |
| 4 | Jose Ramirez | Yankees (AA) | 23 | 9 | 8 | 42.1 | 165 | 50 | 15 | 30.3% | 9.2% | 71 |
| 5 | Rafael Montero | Mets (AA) | 22 | 11 | 11 | 66.2 | 261 | 72 | 10 | 27.6% | 6.7% | 72 |
While some reports suggest that he might throw even harder, the 22-year-old began the game sitting at 92-94 mph, rarely, if ever, falling outside that range. And though his fastball appeared slightly less crisp around the fourth or fifth inning, he was still throwing it at 91-93 mph even in the seventh. If one concern about Stroman’s diminutive stature (he’s only 5-foot-9) is that he might have difficulty maintaining his velocity into later innings, that concern wasn’t borne out in this particular appearance.
The right-hander worked the outside edge of the plate very heavily against left-handed batters (of which the Bowie lineup was largely composed) — with great success when he was getting called strikes or inducing swings, with less of it when opponents refused to offer and the umpire saw it as a ball. As his 70% strike rate for the game suggests (box), however, his start was characterized more by success than failure in this regard. In either case, given the velocity and occasionally quite impressive arm-side run of his fastball, Stroman needn’t be excessively fine with the pitch — especially if it leads to hitters’ count and the sort of advantages they provide for said hitters.
As he noted in an interview with David Laurila published here this May, Stroman throws his slider quite hard — between 84 and 88 mph on Tuseday — such that it is occasionally indiscernible from what might otherwise be called a cutter. The pitch didn’t exhibit much in the way of depth during his start, breaking almost entirely on a horizontal plane. After throwing the pitch only four or five times over the first three innings, Stroman threw it that many times alone in both the sixth and seventh innings.
Throughout the start, Stroman also threw two other pitches, though less frequently: a changeup at 83-86 mph and curveball at 78-82 mph. On the night, it was the former of those which was actually probably his second-best pitch, especially when thrown in tandem with his fastball to lefties. Despite employing it infrequently, Stroman used the changeup effectively in the game’s early stages, throwing his first one for a first-inning swinging strikeout to Trayvon Robinson; his second, a third-inning swinging strikeout against Bowie shortstop Niuman Romero. It seemed likely that Stroman could have had success with the pitch even while throwing it more frequently, given its quality.
Other Notes
• Other than a drive off the left-field wall by 27-year-old Bowie third baseman Brandon Waring in the fourth inning, no other ball was so well hit as 22-year-old third baseman Andrew Burns‘ double — hit on rather a low trajectory with considerable carry — off that same wall in the eighth inning. Beyond his slash line, which itself was impressive, Burns’ defense-independent performance was also excellent at High-A, at which level he recorded walk and strikeout rates of 8.9% and 13.5%, respectively, and eight home runs in 282 plate appearances — which numbers placed him eighth among Florida State League batters, per the offensive version of SCOUT.
• While not a prospect proper, it’s not inconceivable that 25-year-old shortstop Kevin Nolan could be of some use in a utility role in the majors, at some point. He’s controlled the plate decently (8.0% BB, 13.7% K), hit some home runs (eight in 388 PA), and appeared unbothered Tuesday by four mostly routine plays.
Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.
Tell us more about the Bowie players!
I get really tired of hearing any baseball player who is less than 6 feet tall desribed as “diminutive ” .A player who 5’11” and 190-200 pounds of chiseled muscle is a much better physical specimen than a 6’3″ ,170 pound stringbean .Even the idea that among young players additional height gives more room for “filling out” is suspect because the taller player may lack the frame or the metabolism that will allow him to carry additional muscle mass .Stroman ,by the way ,is listed as 5’9″ and 185 . I seroiusly doubt that any of the NFL lineman who were run over and had their heads stomped by Jim Taylor ( 6ft 215 pounds ) or Walter Payton ( 5’10” 200 pounds )considered either one of them diminutive .
Just like any other baseball discussion, the term “diminutive” makes perfect sense because it’s used in relation to his peers (other pitchers) and not the average population. Sure, Stroman is about average height. Among major league pitchers, however, Stroman is one of the shortest, and he’s one of just a handful of pitchers under 5’10”. I think that qualifies as diminutive.
It’s like arguing that Jeff Francoeur is awesome because he’s better than almost everyone in the world or that a player making $750,000 can’t be considered underpaid because most people don’t make that in a decade. Everything, including a pitcher’s height, is relative.
For pitchers, it’s an extremely valid thing to say – a pitcher with a longer arm can get his hand to a higher velocity than a shorter pitcher with the same angular velocity of his shoulder.
this has to be the first ever Jim Taylor reference on FG. can we get a link to his player page?
Especially given the nature of inside pitching.
“three Blue Jays prospects from same” – but we only hear about Marcus Stroman? Who are the other two?
Burns and Nolan, I guess?
I have no idea how Stroman isn’t making top-100 lists already. Aside from an early season blip in HR rate (which, with his height, is admittedly a concern going forward), he’s been utterly dominant in his first full pro season.
Probably some residue from people worrying that he couldn’t be a starter. Carson’s report indicates that he’s got a chance to prove ’em wrong, if he’s keeping velocity late in the game and working on secondary pitches.
Would have loved to see Noah still on the Jays as well. Would have made a great duo in New Hampshire.
“If one concern about Stroman’s diminutive stature (he’s only 5-foot-9) is that he might have difficulty maintaining his velocity into later innings, that concern wasn’t borne out in this particular appearance.”
The other issue associated with being 5’9” is that it is very difficult to get a good downward plane on the fastball. Stroman’s fastball is very straight and level, and there are concerns about HR problems that may occur in the big leagues.
He’s very comparable to Lincecum in my opinion – Stroman will get hit hard if the fastball loses any velocity, in my opinion. Straight and 93 is fine with good offspeed, but if it’s at 90 and still straight, then the offspeed stuff will suffer and the fastball will get hit.
I’m not a fan of the “diminutive” adjective either. I’d prefer a little more panache to the commentary, such as “three apples tall”.
Human McNugget?
I think Stroman is a giant.
Why use one word to describe the thought when you can use five, Mr. Cistulli?