Rhys Hoskins Looks All Kinds Of Awesome
A couple of weeks ago, I talked about why Rhys Hoskins‘ early process should give Phillies fans a reason for real excitement. His combination of frequently hitting the ball in the air while still making above-average contact is the foundation for high-level offensive production.
At that point, though, Hoskins had just 47 plate appearances in the Majors. Anyone can have a good 47 plate appearances, so I tried to emphasize that the results of his first 10 or so games shouldn’t have changed your opinion of Hoskins much. There were encouraging signs in the approach, and other hitters with similar skillsets also got overlooked by prospect rankings on their way to stardom, but I tried to avoid making a big deal about Hoskins running a 159 wRC+ for a couple of weeks.
Well, it’s been three weeks since that post went up, and now the results themselves are worth paying attention to.
Since that post, Hoskins has accumulated exactly 100 more plate appearances, and over that stretch, he’s hit .350/.470/.887, good for a 236 wRC+. He’s drawn 18 walks against just 20 strikeouts while launching 13 more home runs. Instead of the league adjusting to Rhys Hoskins, Hoskins has just continued to obliterate his opponents. And even over a five week sample, this level of dominance suggests that Hoskins can really hit.
At this point, everyone knows how to make a “small sample size” argument. Guys can run hot and cold, and it isn’t unusual at all for mediocre players to look amazing for a month or two, before reverting back to who they were before.
But mediocre hitters don’t do this. In 147 PAs, Hoskins has a 211 wRC+. To see what other hitters have had similar types of runs like this, I used our Splits Leaderboard tool, and looked at every Sunday-to-Sunday six-week stretch throughout the season where a player ran had at least 140 PAs and ran a wRC+ above 200. It’s not that it’s all that rare for a hitter to put up numbers similar to what Hoskins has done; it’s that the guys who have done it are all really freaking good.
Here’s the list of guys who have had similar stretches of offense this year. You’ll note that a bunch of the names repeat, as particular impressive performances stretched over several consecutive six-week averages.
| Name | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aaron Judge | 165 | 0.368 | 0.479 | 0.691 | 0.482 | 207 |
| Aaron Judge | 156 | 0.344 | 0.462 | 0.688 | 0.473 | 201 |
| Aaron Judge | 183 | 0.342 | 0.475 | 0.719 | 0.486 | 210 |
| Aaron Judge | 150 | 0.341 | 0.447 | 0.714 | 0.475 | 202 |
| Aaron Judge | 148 | 0.344 | 0.446 | 0.768 | 0.490 | 213 |
| Andrew McCutchen | 151 | 0.403 | 0.490 | 0.705 | 0.495 | 211 |
| Andrew McCutchen | 164 | 0.401 | 0.494 | 0.715 | 0.498 | 213 |
| Bryce Harper | 154 | 0.384 | 0.500 | 0.752 | 0.505 | 215 |
| Freddie Freeman | 152 | 0.344 | 0.461 | 0.736 | 0.481 | 200 |
| Freddie Freeman | 142 | 0.360 | 0.486 | 0.825 | 0.520 | 226 |
| George Springer | 178 | 0.386 | 0.449 | 0.797 | 0.508 | 228 |
| George Springer | 157 | 0.368 | 0.446 | 0.707 | 0.471 | 203 |
| George Springer | 161 | 0.357 | 0.435 | 0.729 | 0.476 | 207 |
| Giancarlo Stanton | 147 | 0.361 | 0.469 | 0.918 | 0.546 | 246 |
| Giancarlo Stanton | 145 | 0.320 | 0.421 | 0.836 | 0.495 | 212 |
| Giancarlo Stanton | 141 | 0.319 | 0.440 | 0.862 | 0.512 | 223 |
| Jose Altuve | 154 | 0.442 | 0.494 | 0.667 | 0.487 | 214 |
| Jose Altuve | 154 | 0.419 | 0.481 | 0.647 | 0.474 | 205 |
| Jose Ramirez | 171 | 0.405 | 0.450 | 0.753 | 0.493 | 213 |
| Mike Trout | 151 | 0.356 | 0.483 | 0.754 | 0.490 | 217 |
| Mike Trout | 141 | 0.346 | 0.504 | 0.645 | 0.477 | 207 |
| Mike Trout | 147 | 0.352 | 0.449 | 0.738 | 0.475 | 207 |
| Mike Trout | 156 | 0.339 | 0.474 | 0.760 | 0.486 | 214 |
| Rhys Hoskins | 147 | 0.314 | 0.442 | 0.805 | 0.488 | 211 |
| Ryan Zimmerman | 142 | 0.385 | 0.430 | 0.792 | 0.498 | 211 |
Including Hoskins, there have been 25 such stretches this year, the most dominant of which belonged to Giancarlo Stanton, when he went off for a 246 wRC+ over 147 PAs. Aaron Judge did it a bunch of times early in the year. Ryan Zimmerman’s crazy start to the year is there, as is Freddie Freeman’s April run, when he looked like the best hitter alive. But note the complete absence of anything resembling a bad hitter here.
Zimmerman’s probably the worst hitter in this group, and he projects for a 110 wRC+ over the rest of the season. He’s certainly cooled off quickly after his monster start, running a 99 wRC+ in 412 PAs since May 8th, and he’s a reminder that 150 great plate appearances don’t guarantee continued offensive success. But when Ryan Zimmerman is the worst case scenario, well, you’re in pretty good company.
And of course, Zimmerman had some good fortune to get in that group, running a .407 BABIP during his early season stretch of dominance. Getting balls to fall in is almost a requirement, as 22 of the 25 stretches like this involved a BABIP over .350, and 13 of them included a BABIP over .400. Since no one is a legitimate 200 wRC+ guy, there’s always going to be some luck involved in running this kind of hot streak, and for most hitters, that shows up in a highly elevated BABIP. Here’s the same list as above, but with the components replacing the results, and sorted by BABIP.
| Name | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aaron Judge | 165 | 17% | 29% | 0.324 | 0.506 |
| Aaron Judge | 156 | 17% | 31% | 0.344 | 0.471 |
| Aaron Judge | 183 | 19% | 31% | 0.377 | 0.467 |
| Jose Altuve | 154 | 9% | 8% | 0.225 | 0.463 |
| Aaron Judge | 150 | 15% | 29% | 0.373 | 0.429 |
| Jose Altuve | 154 | 10% | 8% | 0.228 | 0.429 |
| Andrew McCutchen | 151 | 14% | 13% | 0.302 | 0.426 |
| Andrew McCutchen | 164 | 15% | 13% | 0.314 | 0.425 |
| Bryce Harper | 154 | 19% | 18% | 0.368 | 0.419 |
| George Springer | 178 | 9% | 21% | 0.411 | 0.419 |
| Aaron Judge | 148 | 14% | 29% | 0.424 | 0.418 |
| Ryan Zimmerman | 142 | 7% | 19% | 0.408 | 0.407 |
| Jose Ramirez | 171 | 7% | 9% | 0.348 | 0.406 |
| Mike Trout | 151 | 18% | 19% | 0.398 | 0.380 |
| Mike Trout | 141 | 23% | 16% | 0.299 | 0.377 |
| George Springer | 157 | 12% | 15% | 0.338 | 0.376 |
| George Springer | 161 | 11% | 18% | 0.371 | 0.374 |
| Mike Trout | 147 | 13% | 18% | 0.385 | 0.372 |
| Freddie Freeman | 152 | 16% | 19% | 0.392 | 0.369 |
| Freddie Freeman | 142 | 18% | 18% | 0.465 | 0.365 |
| Mike Trout | 156 | 19% | 20% | 0.421 | 0.354 |
| Giancarlo Stanton | 147 | 15% | 22% | 0.557 | 0.348 |
| Giancarlo Stanton | 145 | 13% | 25% | 0.516 | 0.294 |
| Giancarlo Stanton | 141 | 16% | 21% | 0.543 | 0.269 |
| Rhys Hoskins | 147 | 18% | 18% | 0.492 | 0.257 |
There’s Hoskins down at the bottom with a .257 BABIP. That isn’t to say he hasn’t gotten lucky, as he’s hit a few balls that have turned into homers that could have easily been outs. His 40% HR/FB rate is obviously not all skill either.
But I think it’s fair to say there’s been a bit less good fortune in Hoskins’ run than there were in some of these others. His extreme pull and fly ball tendencies means he’s never going to be a high BABIP guy, so don’t look at his .257 mark and think he’s gotten unlucky, but his run of offensive dominance is built more on the types of skills that are sustained over longer periods of time.
Since Hoskins’ debuted, people have been trying to find a comparison for him. Paul Goldschmidt comes up a lot, since he was also an overlooked right-handed first base prospect who put up big numbers in the minors but didn’t get much recognition for it, but Goldschmidt is a pretty different kind of hitter, spraying the ball all over the field and hitting many more line drives. His hitting coach, Matt Stairs, recently compared him to Jason Giambi, based on his understanding of the strike zone.
But if we look at the core traits that somewhat define Hoskins right now — extreme grounder avoidance, extreme pull tendencies, but without the strikeouts that usually go along with those things — using our Splits Leaderboard tool, one name shows up more often than the rest; Frank Thomas.
To be clear, since our splits only go back to 2002, we don’t have pull and groundball data on Thomas in his prime, so we’re talking about The Big Hurt’s decline phase here. Late-career Frank Thomas was the epitome of a guy who controlled the strike zone, hit everything in the air, and focused primarily on pulling the ball. And despite being a slow runner with a pretty obvious plan at the plate, late-career Thomas was still a monster of a hitter.
From 2002 to 2004, he racked up 1,601 PAs, and hit .262/.387/.526, good for a .391 wOBA and a 138 wRC+. His pull and fly ball tendencies held his average down — his BABIP over that span was just .269 — but the walks and homers carried him to a high level of offensive performance.
In-his-prime Frank Thomas was one of the best hitters who ever lived, so it’d be unfair to compare anyone to him, much less a guy with just 150 career plate appearances. And it’s not like Thomas is the only name that shows up if you look at extreme pull/fly ball guys who avoid strikeouts; there’s also a Trot Nixon season and this year’s version of Matt Carpenter, along with Rafael Palmeiro.
So don’t take Hoskins’ first five weeks, the prior few paragraphs, as proof that Hoskins is about to go down as one of the best hitters of all-time. But based on the core skills he’s shown, a sustained run with a 140 wRC+ shouldn’t be ruled out. Even with old-player skills, Frank Thomas was one of the best hitters in baseball. Hoskins’ might not be an elite athlete, and he’s definitely got more old-player skills than most other rookies, but as long as he keeps making contact while elevating the ball, he might just ride those old-player skills to be one of the best hitters in the game.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
hit us with a tommy pham update next. or maybe one of the oakland matts? it’s been a few days.
Would it be possible to get functionality where we can block certain users/commenters on the site?
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I’ll add the OP in there shortly.
Watching his ABs has been so fun, his command of the strike zone is incredible. A beat writer mentioned that 10 of his 18 homers have come in two-strike counts– anyone know an easy place to check that against league averages or other players’ outcomes?
There have been 5,558 homers this year, with 1,721 coming in 2-strike counts. That works out to 31.0% in 2-strike counts, in contrast with Hoskins’s 55.6% in 2-strike counts.
I’m curious and ignorant … does anyone know what the scouting report knocks on him were? He always put up good numbers in the minors.
Old for his league (not really his fault), and defensively looked like a 1B, so everyone thought he really would have to hit to stick. People didn’t look too closely at his K/BB numbers compared to above avg power. His power/hit tools don’t blow scouts away.
I think he’s a component-stat (esp strike zone dominance) version of the “scouts undervalue guys who are pretty good at everything but don’t excel at any one thing”.
Beyond that, I dunno. I’ve had him rostered in my dynasty for 4 months now.
He also played in a great hitters park last year in AA so his power breakout was discounted.
Some of it was lack of athleticism making him a 1B-only guy. Those guys have to absolutely rake to be considered top prospects. You have to hit a ton at the highest levels to convince people you’re going to hit a ton in the majors.
Some of it is the fact he wasn’t a first round pick. Those guys have to do more for longer to convince people that they’re for real.
Some of it is that the Phillies’ AA team plays in a tremendous hitter’s park that inflates everybody’s home run totals. Lots of guys have put up great-looking power numbers at Reading and then not hit much in AAA or the majors (think Darin Ruf and Dylan Cozens).
Some of it was skepticism that his approach would play in the majors. Hoskins is very patient, he’s happy to risk falling behind in the count while waiting on a fastball he can drive. It’s legitimate to wonder if that will work against pitchers who can throw breaking balls for strikes. I remember a piece on this site from May (?) in which Eric quoted a scout saying he wanted to see Hoskins hit something other than a fastball before believing he’d be an impact bat in the majors.
Everything Jeremy said, but with one caveat: After he raked at AAA, everyone should have revised their opinions. It showed AA was no fluke. That this didn’t happen is mostly because we’re too quick to accept conclusions that match our priors (because he didn’t have ‘pedigree’) and allow it to cloud our ability to update them.
Juts to add to what others have said: Before AA, his power really was pedestrian. At AA, he changed his swing to what it is now, but everyone attributed the increased HR to Reading.
It wasn’t till this year that everyone understood it was the swing change that made a difference, not the ballpark.
Just taking a moment to admire that Barry Bonds had a 232 wRC+ from 2001-2004 over nearly 2500 PAs.
I admire nothing about Bonds.
I bet you’re a hit at holiday parties
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Keep in mind that Hoskins’ current 40.0% HR/FB rate is more than twice what he had posted in any minor league stop, while his IFFB rate is currently lower than it has ever been in all but one minor league stop. I was a Hoskins believer before this season, so I’m not discounting him by any means, but it is not fair or accurate to say that Ryan Zimmerman is his “worst case scenario.” When Hoskins goes back to his usual sub-20% HR/FB rate, he will still be a good hitter but not an “awesome” one.
Hoskins is also hitting .087 on groundballs this year as a right handed hitter. Right handed hitters have hit .249 on groundballs overall this year. Hoskins hasn’t had great authority on groundballs, but his average GB exit velocity of 83.1 mph is still higher than the league average of 82.5.
Hoskins also doesn’t have the background of contact issues that have plagued Thames.
Hoskins currently has one more strikeout than walk in 147 PA. It’s an absolutely elite walk rate while simultaneously posting a K-rate that’s comfortably better than league average.
Right now the power isn’t what makes Rhys Hoskins insanely interesting. Sure, it’s fun and all, but no one is expecting him to average a 70 homer pace. If you turned half of Rhys Hoskins homers into outs he’d still be hitting .237/.381/.500. That’s if you just counted those homers as straight outs too, which would drop his season BABIP to .229.
Even if Hoskins halves his hr/fb rate, maintaining his plate discipline, plus a little bit of positive BABIP regression on groundball production, turns him into something like a .270/.410/.550 type hitter. That’s an extremely similar line to 2017 Anthony Rizzo, only better…
This isn’t .420 BABIP Aaron Judge simultaneously posting a 43% HR/FB, This is a well disciplined hitter with good contact skills that keeps the ball off the ground.
Hoskins probably isn’t going to walk as much as he strikes out going forward, but damn if he doesn’t look interesting as hell even ignoring the ridiculous homer surge.
Perfectly said. Hoskins probably isn’t peak-Barry Bonds but it’s not at all hard to imagine him being one of the 20 or so best hitters in the league next year. I mean, he certainly might or might not be that good, but it’s not hard to see where it could happen.
I don’t think his k /bb is quite sustainable either, it is certainly good but he currently is walking a lot more than AA and AAA.
I think 12-13% BBs with around 20% Ks is more realistic going forward. That still is a great ratio but not quite one to one (nobody does that except prime bautista maybe – who mighr be the best case outcome for hoskins).
Also I want to see him hitting low pitches almost all his damage is up in the zone as pitchers might still try to bust him under the hands (common treatment for rookies to see if they can handle the heat)
I think his plate discipline peripherals support that. His o swing is very good at 23 percent but his zone swing rate is also very low at 57. That means his differential is 34 percent. For comparison votto is at 15 and 70 (55% differential).
He is very patient but not quite joey votto or bonds in his batting eye.
if he is at 19,13, .250 k,bb,iso and maybe has a 285 babip (realistic considering his flyball and pull tendency) he is still excellent.
That line is pretty much exactly where Steamer sees him at going forward. Which projects him at a 130 wRC+
Complete list of pitchers that Hoskins has faced thus far:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/batter_vs_pitcher.cgi?batter=hoskirh01
I was initially going to point out that he hasn’t faced much good pitching since he’s faced the Fish 10 times, however that list isn’t bad. He’s scuffled against MadBum, Scherzer and Strasburg (of course, so do a lot of guys). However he went 1/3 with 2 BB against DeGrom and 2/3 with a bomb against Hendricks.
Not bad at all. Hit a dinger off Quintana too. Thanks for sharing that list! The Straily line is incredible.
I just LOVE this.
Miami starter Dan Straily, whom Hoskins is 6-for-8 with three homers against, seemed just as perplexed when talking to MLB.com’s Ben Harris postgame.
“That guy is racing to the bat rack when I come up,” Straily said. “He just is. That was his third home run off me, I want to say I’ve gotten him out one time. I’ve tried everything and it’s just not working…”
And this:
Don Mattingly when asked if he expects defenses to shift against Rhys Hoskins: “We can’t put guys in the seats, can we now?”
He looks great. The only little downer is his age, he is old for a prospect like judge is too.
I feel about those guys that they might have a weakness as real stars make the majors at 21,trout had like 40 war at the age when hoskins and judge made their debut.
Often those late bloomers fade as fast as they come. However some of them also stick, maybe he is the next josh Donaldson.
I feel we are in an age of asynchronous information due to the hitting revolution which has arrived at some but not all hitters and at some later as many are still taught to chop down.
In a couple years that information will be more synchronized among minor league and even amateur hitters so that late bloomers will be rarer again since the players reach their genetic talent limit sooner due to better coaching.
I watched Hoskins “struggle” in his debut series against my Mets. I’m no scout, but it was the most impressive 1-for-13 I can remember. His takes were so self-assured.
> Since no one is a legitimate 200 wRC+ guy
Mike Trout
(also Barry fuckin Bonds)
Define legitimate.
Trout is great but his highest wrc+ so far is below 180. I wouldn’t call him a legitimate 200 guy at least not yet
No armor on his front elbow and he likes to dive over the plate with it on those outside fastballs. Eventually someone is going to break that thing if he doesn’t cover up. They should stop doing throwing inside peroid because he murders that too. He has almost killed a few fans sitting behind third base on several occasions.
When he strolls from the on-deck circle, the catcher has to immediately run to his pitcher for a mound visit, because they are already in a jam and starting to wet themselves.
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Thanks