Robinson Cano Isn’t Just Aging
The Mariners have not gotten the production they were expecting from Robinson Cano so far. I know, bold statement. Surely the Mariners prepared themselves for paying Cano handsomely well into his decline years, giving him $240 million over ten years starting with his age-31 season. Still, nobody could have anticipated the steep drop in total offensive production he has endured the first year and a half of the deal. It would not be the first time an elite hitter fell off quickly on the elder side of 30, but is his decline simply due to mean, old Father Time? The overall numbers, as well as some of his results on a more granular level, certainly support that narrative.
If you have read this far, you know enough about Cano’s difficulties not to need his basic stat line spelled out for the hundredth time. Obviously he hasn’t hit as well, especially for power, as he did in New York. As you would expect, his ability to hit long fly balls has dwindled in the same manner:
| Season | Feet (Avg.) |
|---|---|
| 2011 | 284.7 |
| 2012 | 295.3 |
| 2013 | 288.7 |
| 2014 | 270.0 |
| 2015 | 278.1 |
| Average | 285.8 |
This data comes courtesy of Baseball Heat Maps, and though it only covers the 2007 season onward, the change is obvious enough. His average distance on fly balls is noticeably shorter than both his career and his last few years in New York, which would make sense for a hitter losing the strength and athleticism of his younger self.
If he’s not hitting the ball as far because of age, you would expect his batted-ball rates to be suffering as well. Much ink has been written on how many more ground balls he has hit in the last year and a half; we’ll get to that. Here are his hard, medium and soft contact rates, found on FanGraphs’ player page for Cano:
| Season | Team | Soft% | Med% | Hard% |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2011 | Yankees | 23.9% | 45.6% | 30.5% |
| 2012 | Yankees | 12.0% | 49.9% | 38.1% |
| 2013 | Yankees | 11.0% | 50.1% | 38.9% |
| 2014 | Mariners | 17.9% | 53.6% | 28.5% |
| 2015 | Mariners | 14.6% | 52.3% | 33.1% |
| Average | 2 Teams | 15.5% | 51.7% | 32.8% |
His Mariners years fall below the most recent peak years he had in New York, but this year his hard-hit rate is back above his career average, as well as his 2011 season rate in which he put up tremendous numbers.
So we have a declining hitter who is hitting fly balls for a shorter distance, but is still hitting the ball hard enough on average to approximate his former performance levels. He’s also putting more balls in play on the ground, though nothing I have learned about aging leads to hitting the top of a baseball more often than the bottom of it. Christopher Rinaldi pointed out in the Community Blog a few weeks ago that Cano hasn’t gone to the opposite field as much this season, but if you include last season as well, there’s not as appreciable a change in pull versus opposite field rates from his Yankee career. Here is a look at the types of batted balls he’s hit to each for more clarity.
| Period | Location | LD% | GB% | FB% | Hard% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yankees | Pull | 22.0% | 62.4% | 15.6% | 36.2% |
| Mariners | Pull | 19.0% | 71.3% | 9.8% | 25.2% |
| Yankees | Center | 25.6% | 44.6% | 29.9% | 36.8% |
| Mariners | Center | 22.0% | 49.9% | 28.2% | 36.8% |
| Yankees | Oppo | 27.5% | 23.9% | 48.7% | 33.5% |
| Mariners | Oppo | 32.3% | 27.5% | 40.4% | 29.4% |
Remember that the hard/medium/soft delineations come from a BIS algorithm that does not include exit speed. I suspect that the decline in hard-hit rate may be due in part to the decreased number of fly balls and line drives, rather than simply a decreased ability to create force. Also, since his overall hard-hit rate isn’t that far off from his career numbers, this has the signs of a case of altered swing mechanics creating more ground balls, especially to the pull side. Canvassing video over the past few years for clues in his swing, this starts to make even more sense as the true culprit.The Yankees timeframe covers Cano’s last three seasons in the Big Apple for comparison. Everything you would associate with a negative change shows up here: fewer line drives and fly balls everywhere except for more liners to the opposite field, and despite an unchanged hard-hit rate to center, a lower figure to left and right fields. His batted balls are coming out on a lower trajectory, and to the sides of the field without as much force behind them.
Here is a swing from Cano’s 2012 season:
And here is one from June of last year:
Both of these swings are on similarly placed pitches, both fastballs up in the zone. The 2014 pitch is a few inches higher, but they are close enough to show some important differences.
The first is the way the hands take the bat to the ball. Notice how in the 2013 version, there is more of a loop to his hand path; the first move is down before they start moving forward. In the 2014 look, Cano’s hands start pushing directly toward contact. This makes his swing much more level, which is not as conducive to hitting high line drives and deep fly balls. You can really see how this works over three frames in the swings:
The other noticeable inconsistency is where the barrel travels in relation to the hands. It’s a little subtler, but in the 2013 swing you can see how the barrel drops slightly more under the hands as it comes into contact. In the second look, the barrel stays closer to the same level as the hands, coming around them more so than underneath them. When the barrel works around the ball on a flatter plane, you have a sure-fire recipe for more pull-side ground balls.
These aren’t just two cherry-picked swings either. Here’s another swing from this year on a low and outside pitch, followed by a low pitch in the Yankee era.
Former Cano digs the ball out and lifts it into the outfield, whereas latter Cano looks like he’s forcing his hands down all the way through the swing. Both balls end up in the air, but the Yankee swing obviously looks much more beneficial for a guy who should be looking to drive the ball out of the park on occasion.
From the pitcher’s view, this difference is still apparent. This time we will see a 2013 swing and a 2015 swing, cut off one frame after the left arm gets fully extended.
The finish of the swing is easier to compare from this angle, which is pretty clearly different despite similar pitch locations. Yankee Cano again shows more lift in his swing, resulting in a higher finish. Mariner Cano’s hands do come up through contact a bit more than the previous swings we looked at, but not nearly to the same degree as the Yankee version. The flatter finish in the 2015 swing is the product of the barrel coming around the hands, as well as the more downward plane his hands take toward the ball. Again, all signs point toward lower-trajectory hits, with the flatter barrel making an early swing more likely to yank the ball to the pull side. The bat staying more vertical used to allow Cano to lift the ball, as well as giving him a better chance of driving it toward the middle of the field.
What we cannot know is why this change has happened. I don’t know if this has been a conscious change or just falling into bad habits. The fact that this struggle has gone on for a year and a half with a fairly big change occurring simultaneously certainly raises a lot of questions. One interesting side note makes me even more intrigued to follow Cano’s season is Edgar Martinez’s recent hiring as hitting coach. I know absolutely nothing about Howard Johnson as a hitting coach, so this is not to say that he didn’t do a good job. But it’s hard not to be excited about a guy I have heard has an excellent perception of the swing, particularly regarding hand path, get a crack at helping Cano get back on track. He definitely has proof of concept:
Of course, it remains to be seen how well he can work with players as a coach. Doing a thing and understanding a thing do not automatically qualify you to teach a thing. Color me intrigued though. Maybe it’s just noise or coincidence, or maybe he’s already made an impression. The hiring was announced on June 20, and here are swings from each of June 21 and June 22:


There’s a little more of that old lift to his swing, and the barrel is a little more vertical. The second is a bit flatter with the bat, but it’s a product of the pitch location more than a swing issue; he doesn’t look like he hooks the ball nearly as much. To be clear, Cano has still shown a number of swings in the past week that look like everything he’s done in the past year and a half. On top of that, it’s extremely hard for even the best hitters to make mechanical changes in the middle of a season. For Cano’s sake, and for the Mariners offense’s sake, hopefully he (and Martinez?) can figure out a way to set himself back up for some better production at the plate.
To the main point of this piece, yes, Cano is getting to an age where a down month raises concerns and a down season sounds the panic alarm. Based on what I see, there’s still enough of a reason to believe he has the ability to be the mythical power and contact guy the Mariners need in their lineup. A mechanical issue can be fixed, and it’s just too hard to believe Cano’s strength and ability could have eroded so quickly. The problem is that fixing it is not always as easy as it sounds.
Dan is Fangraphs Lead Prospect Analyst, living in New York City. He played baseball for four years at Franklin & Marshall College before attending medical school. Follow him on Facebook and Twitter @DWFarnsworth.











Wow, I hadn’t realized how bad he’d been this year. Scary contract for Seattle fans.
Yes, but to be fair, nobody could see this coming as Cano entered his thirties.
He’s 32. Decline was inevitable in the latter years of the contract, but he “should” be near prime performance right now.
Since when? Prime performance is typically around 26-28, not 32
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2010/06/war_aging_curve.php
Did you misread “near prime” as “prime” deliberately?
Maybe he figured that half a decade off from prime isn’t very “near” to it.
Ah yes, 8 year decades are my favorite kind.
Cano put up 5 WAR last year and 6 the year before. Pretending he is far removed from prime production is just nonsense. He is about 8 months removed from it.
Huge contracts given to guys in their 30s are almost universally terrible. Second basemen in their 30s are also almost universally terrible. Many, many people saw this coming (including the Yankees who have more money than God but passed on Cano). It might be time to jump or you’ll end up being the last person on what seems like a sinking ship.
Many, many people saw this coming (including the Yankees)
Bull. Who predicted Cano would be worth 0 WAR in his age 32 season? Cite your sources.
The fact that it was a bad contract is not in dispute, so don’t retreat to that obvious fact. No one based their judgement that this was a bad contract on the idea that he would be useless by age 32.
Fascinating article, nice work.
Will definitely need to come back and re-read to look at those gifs more closely. I’m just not able to pick up on the kinds of things you (and many others) can spot in swings and hand position and such. Same way I have a hell of a time telling pitches apart.
I will grasp on to any sort of hope of salvaging a few more years from this guy, so thanks for that.
According to Dan Szymborski, the yearly 10-year WAR breakdown of Cano’s projection, starting it 2014 when he signed the deal were: 5.5, 5.2, 5.0, 4.6, 4.0, 3.3, 2.8, 2.2, 1.6, 1.1
So basically, it’s no longer a question of “good” surplus value in the age 31-35 years offsetting the “bad” value of the 36-40 years, but a question of how much $ is ultimately going to be lit on fire. My god.
In 2014 he finished with 5.1 WAR and a 136 wRC+.
Slightly down from projections and previous performance, but hardly apocalyptic.
He’s had a horrible three months. Not a horrible year and a half.
Yes, ZiPS had him pretty well pegged in 2014, absolutely. The cause for my post isn’t so much to laugh and point at 10 year ZiPS projections (which I’m sure people took with very large error bars anyway), but rather to point out the much smaller margin of error Cano has in terms of delivering value for that contract.
As you correctly assert, he might bounce back to his projections next year. Even if that happened, the 0 WAR for the months of April-June 2015 have actual ramifications on his ability to return value on his contract because that was during the period he needed to produce surplus value.
But, let us say he puts up 3 WAR the rest of the way. This outcome would still be worrisome because if we apply the “standard 0.5 per year reduction in WAR” for each season going forward means that he’s less likely to produce the value that was expected of him in subsequent years.
In short, this 3 months of 0 WAR hardly doom him to irrelevance (I hope that wasn’t what it looked like I was suggesting), but do have pretty serious consequences nonetheless.
To be honest, I wasn’t just replying to the 10-year projections. There are a lot of people (even on this page) who think that once he crossed the Mississippi he forgot how to hit.
It’s worrying, to be sure. But good hitters have bad stretches. He had a bad April (and May?) last year and turned it around. But the narrative had been cast that he’s done, so this second extended slump has everybody convinced.
It was a worrying contract even before the ink was dry. I just think he’s too good to fall off this cliff permanently.
I had a brief exchange with Jeff Sullivan a few weeks back: check out Cano’s batted ball profile compared to Brandon Crawford. Virtually identical this year. Jeff noted that Cano’s had hits go to the ground, while Crawford is getting more loft. That’s the extent of the difference between a .630 OPS and a .830 OPS (to use the lazy statistic). That completely backs up this particular article, and points to a mechanical difference more than a skill difference.
This may be a lost year, and that will have major repercussions on the total contract value calculations, but it’s hardly a death knell for the next few years.
I agree with AC on how people view last year. To be honest, I had to click on his page to see if he actually had a 5 WAR season last year. He started off poorly, and didn’t hit many HR last year (14, I think), so the narrative is that he was a disappointment. If you asked me offhand, I would have thought he had a 2-3 win season. A quick look at his full year performance shows that he was actually very good.
To my trained eye, the biggest difference between the Yankees and Mariners gifs are the pinstripes.
As a Yankee fan, it’s somewhat refreshing to read an article about how an aging player, signed to a mega-deal, fell from grace upon LEAVING the Yankees. Though Cano was my favorite Yankee, so it’s not quite as lemony fresh.
One reason I found him so captivating was because of that sexy sexy swing/bat speed. Which brings me to my point. Maybe this is all age related after all. I know even the most established of hitters ‘lose’ thier mechanics sometimes, but for a year and a half? Not to impugn your scouting (I rather enjoyed it), but I’m sure the Ms have access to either the same conclusion you made, or a better one. They surely then shared this information with Cano and have worked on it with him. Maybe what allowed him to go down with his hands before looping them up again was his bat speed. Perhaps now his wrists are precious milliseconds slower, and he only has enough time to go right to the ball. I think that explanation, one that centers around Cano not being physically able to fix the problem, is more likely than any alternatives after 1.5 years. Especially given his age.
I won’t speak to the Mariners’ process, but I do think you’re overestimating professional coaches’ understanding of hitting as a group. He looks like he’s trying to follow a lot of the classic coaching paradigms – swing down, get the bat head out, create backspin – which are alive and well in the game despite not being based on reality or sound science.
Also, I just don’t see a big slowdown in the bat speed to convince me of that being the issue. He still looks explosive; his hardest hit balls just end up being driven into the ground.
Either way, your point is well-taken and I definitely don’t think it’s unreasonable. Thanks for the post!
Owen hit on something that happens to most hitters somewhere in their early 30’s.
It’s not a loss of bat speed/strength, it’s a loss of trigger quickness/initial wrist explosion that comes with age.
Can you do an article starlin castro? While not a star his career path is extremely interesting.
I chuckle when writers try to explain Cano. Lets look at some numbers. 1st 4 years in majors (’05 thru ’08) he averaged 15 HRs. In 2009 he becomes BFF with Melky Cabrera and other PED users in Yankee clubhouse. Next 5 years (’09 thru ’13) he takes quantum leap to average close to 30 Hrs. Gets big 10 year contract – no need to mess around anymore. Will now be lucky to produce ’05 thru ’08 stats. Certainly all speculation, just saying ….
Melky had a cup of coffee with the Yanks in ’05 and became a permanent fixture in ’06, so yea…
Not to mention his statistics indicate his PED use came after his time in New York. His 2011 and 2012 seasons are pretty obvious outliers with significant spikes in Babip, ISO, and OPS. He was still the innocent and likable “melkman” in New York.
Yankee fans wished Melky was on PED’s while he was here. What are you babbling about?
Off the steroids and now in decline.
Isn’t there a long list of good 2b falling off a cliff at his age? I can only think of Alomar, but I remember Mike Axisa (I think, apologies to Mike if it wasn’t him.) pointing out a bunch of 2b falling off as an argument for the Yanks to not sign him to a gargantuan deal.
I thought about that as well — I seem to recall reading an article somewhere about the idea of 2B’s aging poorly but don’t remember what the conclusion was.
Absolutely. Aging has to be playing a part, and I don’t want to discount that obvious possibility. I think it’s important to question trends as they pertain to the individual, in this case by pointing out there might be more going on than a standard decline. It’s also true that it might be too late to get close to where he was even if his lower production is in fact due to swing changes, and they’re fixed immediately.
Carlos Baerga!
I think the change to a flatter swing path was a conscious decision due to Safeco’s dimensions. If you compare his swing this year to his swing last year in it’s entirety you’ll probably see the biggest difference this year is that it’s a timing issue.
Bob Tewksbary did an analysis of his swing earlier this month that talks said timing issue.
https://tewkshitting.com/what-is-wrong-with-robinson-cano/
Meh. I read that too. But I think if you really look at his swing from last year his “barrel timing” is identical. He is a little later with the lower body than last year, so maybe he is a bit rushed there. But upper body wise identical.
I still have some to learn about swing mechanics, but i don’t see an “elite” swing on the left gone horrible on the right.
http://gfycat.com/UnlawfulGloriousCopepod#
I agree, on both points. To your second thought, I don’t think he had an elite swimg in NY either, and definitely relied on his swing speed and contact skills to make up for his holes. He’s not terrible now, either. His combination of attributes should have held up a bit longer than a cross-country move, in my opinion.
Dan, what did you see when you analyzed his hand path in 2014 versus this year?
Nothing drastic, maybe a few more swings this year than last where he’s looked more down-to-the-ball rather than up. The real separation I saw was the difference between his time in NY versus Seattle.
“He is a little later with the lower body than last year, so maybe he is a bit rushed there.”
The foundation of a great swing is your legs so if he’s later with the lower body then everything else is going to be off.
This is what happens when people stray from my regimen.
I’m wondering if he changed his swing plane to hit more line drives and fewer long fly balls in Seattle. Last year, he was just as good with the bat as he was in NY, once you adjust for park. Maybe he didn’t want to see a bunch of long flies caught at the warning track.
With the possible exception of Kershaw, when clubs make signings of this type they are advertizing that they are not very good at recognizing, signing, and developing young talent, which also is a good indicator that they are not good at evaluating old talent.
I don’t think it’s PEDs. I don’t think it’s the “pinstripes.” However, I do think it has a lot to do with not being on the Yankees anymore. More specifically —
1) Switching from a great hitters park to one much more difficult to hit HRs in. He likely has changed his mechanics — consciously or subconsciously — trying to compensate for the larger park — and this in turn has screwed up his swing. The same thing happened to Wright when the Mets moved into Citi Field (though Wright never played this poorly at Citi).
2) Cano has always hit in stacked Yankees lineups with big hitters being paid huge money — hence zero pressure on him to produce. Now in Seattle, he IS the big man getting the huge money. No one else. Dealing with this added pressure has detracted from his performance and results.
I also think it’s partly due to age. So, it’s likely a confluence of all those things, plus perhaps a few others factors we are not even aware of, that has resulted in the diminished player he is today.
For all these reasons I predict his production will never again approach what he did at Yankee Stadium. He could improve a little the rest of the year and even next year, but he will continue to struggle to produce the way he did before he signed the big contract.
That’s a crazy contract the Mariners gave him; he was was way overpaid. They will have to live with it.
“Cano has always hit in stacked… lineups with big hitters… hence zero pressure on him to produce.”
False. 2013. 2014.
You can say that about 2013, but on the Yankees Opening Day roster, Cano was the 5th highest paid player (6th if you include Vernon Wells’ total comp, not just what the Yankees were paying) so it’s fair to say that it wasn’t exactly him that was expected to carry the lineup. Once all those big money guys either got hurt, or struggled, expectations for the team as a whole were lowered, and so anything Cano did to carry the team was going to be met with neverending glory in the press. Oh, that, and it was a contract year. I hear a lot of guys step up in those regardless.
We’re operating in a world where we like to dissect everything under the microscope and find the intricacies of why, but the Cano case is pretty easy to understand.
Batter reliant on power goes from extremely friendly ballpark and division to unfriendly ballpark and division while aging out of his prime. Not to mention, he got his last big monster payday after being maligned (perhaps unfairly?) for his work ethic in the past.
Yankee Cano is gone for good. This current iteration of Cano is almost certainly worse than his true talent, though, too. He’ll figure it out a bit but he’ll never live up to the contract, which is why is was widely panned at the time and probably why the Yankees didn’t engage even at the cost of taking their team out of legitimate contention.
Don’t need cherry-picked GIFs to confirm that.
If it’s just the park, why has his K/BB ratio ballooned this year vs. last year (same park)?
The stadium plays better to a different swing. Cano changes swing, less contact, more k’s less walks.
Again, why a change from year to year when it’s the *same* park both years?
Too soon to write a guy of this talent off. Everyone knew the contract was too much for too long, but it’s unrealistic to have predicted this sharp a drop. A little more rest, maybe a few games at DH, a little more protection in the line up. I don’t see him like a Robbie Alomar. And, although he was criticized for not always running things out, I think he was a generally hard worker in NY, and I don’t think he would just stop. As for PEDs, anything is possible but he’s had a long career without a failed text.
Yankees didn’t want him to be the face of the franchise because he was not a hustler. Fans and casters excused this as his ease of play made it look like he didn’t care. Now that he has the big contract, maybe the Yankees were right. He no longer cares. That is, he doesn’t put in the work to keep his swing where it needs to be because the checks just keep coming. I am usually loathe to make a character assessment, but in this case, maybe, just maybe the Yankees were on to something.
You may be right, plus if he was using PED’s he likely stopped as he has too much to lose now. I remember he slacked off a bit after his extension, but picked it up as he had another contract to play for. No more contracts to play for now. Its a consideration all teams have to decide on. Nobody really knows how much this plays into the disappointing play of so many Free Agents. Yankees knew Cano best.
I don’t think he is lifting as much as he was. Looks smaller. Might have lost some bat speed as a result so is cheating on FB so ends up outside the zone more. Might be a physical issue we don’t know about too.
Not going after the 1st pitch like he once was either. His approach is not what it should be. Maybe a new hitting coach helps
I think the author is drawing an arbitrary line between 2013 and 2014 when, as others have noted, his park-adjusted performance really didn’t change much. It’s this season that looks troubling when compared to last season — and it seems pretty unlikely he’d hop off of PEDs a full year after signing a deal he gets paid for unless he is caught using them.
It’s not even the lack of power but the K rate up to 17% and BB rate down to 5% that seems ominous. Only half a season, so who knows. But I certainly wouldn’t want to owe this guy $200M+ going forward.
In an overall sense, yes, you’re absolutely right. Last year wasn’t as bad as some may have thought, but there was a legitimate change in batted ball profile that has continued this year. I believe this new profile to be riskier, especially for an aging hitter, not being able to hit for power as he gets further into his 30s. So to me, despite an overall great year last year, it does not bode as well for his future if he continues on the same path.
It’s unbelievable that Jack Z still has a job.
My super snarky flyover assessment was “steroids -> no steroids”.
In his early abstracts, Bill James would list ball players that were out the league at age 32. I would read this with fascination and ever since have used this as a benchmark of sorts. This seems a most egregious example. I will be interested in Edgar Martinez and what he is able to accomplish. He had to make many adaptations himself.
The problem at the moment with Cano is that he is not as quiet as he was before at the plate. I haven’t talk to him but maybe he feels his bat speed is not like before. As a hitter when you have this feeling whether is true or just perceived, you tend to create all sorts of problems in your swing. You could start to open your shoulder before you get a good look at the pitch, as we can see in the first frame. Therefore you cannot drive the ball. The strength of most good mayor league hitters, like Cano was before, is how much you can wait to swing the bat. The better you feel the speed in your swing is, the more you can wait. The problem is once you loose that confidence sometimes is hard to get it back.
What’s hurting Cano is those 81 games at Yankee stadium lol… Basically the American League east are hitter friendly parks…