Salvaging the Blue Jays’ Winter
To this point, the Blue Jays’ winter hasn’t really gone as they had hoped. The team made a strong push to re-sign Edwin Encarnacion right out of the gates, but when he turned down a reported $80 million over four years in order to test the market, they decided that they needed to make sure they didn’t get left without an alternative option, and so they pounced on the worse-but-cheaper Kendrys Morales, giving him $33 million over three years instead.
When the news leaked, I explained why I wasn’t a big fan of the signing.
With Edwin Encarnacion and Jose Bautista, the Jays have two DH-type players that they could have signed to much more lucrative long-term deals, but Morales presents a much cheaper option, giving the team the flexibility to spend the extra $40 or $50 million on an outfielder, bullpen upgrades, or both. Instead of putting their money into one better player, the Jays look like they’re again going to bet on depth.
In general, I think that plan can often work out, especially if you have some serious holes on the roster that need addressing, as the Jays do. In practice, though, I’m not sure if I’m as excited about spending $33 million on Kendrys Morales as part of a spread-things-around approach.
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So, yeah, $33 million for the age 34-36 seasons of a decent hitter who can’t run seems like not a great use of funds to me. The team could still make this plan worthwhile if they spend the savings on a quality regular or a couple of good role players, but Morales himself just isn’t that good.
By giving Morales just a portion of what the team had allocated for Encarnacion, the Jays should still have some money to spend in order to round out the roster. Just the difference between their DH offers total $47 million, which should be enough to get them an upgrade (or two) over Ezequiel Carrera and Melvin Upton in the outfield. Of course, you won’t get a superstar for that kind of money — Josh Reddick got $52 million, for reference — but there’s at least enough money left to make the decision to not let Encarnacion’s market play itself out look a little less awkward.
After all, it’s easy to crush the Blue Jays for giving Morales $33 million when Encarnacion ended up signing for $60 million, but that is using information not available at the time to say that the Jays should have anticipated that Encarnacion’s market was going to crater. I don’t know that it was something that should have been reasonably forecasted, given his consistency, durability, and the fact that MLB teams have generally paid well for his skillset. I projected Encarnacion would get 4/$84M this winter; the crowd projected 4/$90M. It’s fair to say that the Jays perhaps should not have seen Morales as a target so good they couldn’t let him get away, limiting their options in the process, but I think once Encarnacion turned down 4/$80M, they probably were correct to think that they were better off going another direction, since similar players to Encarnacion have not aged particularly well.
But right now, with Encarnacion in Cleveland on a contract the Jays clearly would have signed in a heartbeat at the start of the winter, the series of decisions that led to this point are easy to take issue with. Sure, they have some money to spend, but they now have a worse old DH, a 1B platoon of a bad player and a frequently injured guy, and they still haven’t found any corner outfielders. On January 3rd, this all doesn’t look great.
But in looking forward, I wonder if this isn’t actually going to work out just fine for the Blue Jays. Because, barring some unforeseen new bidder for Jose Bautista, the Jays might end up getting the better of their two star sluggers back, with perhaps enough money left over to make their team better than if they had been able to re-sign Encarnacion to begin with.
As Jeff Passan wrote recently, Jose Bautista (at his original asking price, anyway) has been essentially rejected by the league, and has found himself without any real serious suitors through the first two months of the winter, and is reportedly now open to talking about a one year deal. If he has a bounce back 2017 season and hits free agency next winter without a qualifying offer attached — the new CBA states that players can’t be offered a QO more than once in their career — he could very likely do better overall than by taking a discounted multi-year deal this winter, even though he’ll be another year older.
And a one year deal with Bautista is just about the perfect option for the Jays. For all the talk of Bautista aging and his skills declining, he just put up a 122 wRC+ in a down year, which is still pretty good. For context, the Jays have been frequently mentioned as a possible landing spot for Jay Bruce, since they tried to trade for him last spring, and as a corner outfielder with one year left on his deal, he’d fit what the Jays are looking for. Except in the best offensive season of his career (2010), Bruce put up a 124 wRC+, the only time he’s ever put up a better offensive season than what Bautista did last year. A broken-down, playing-through-injury Bautista was basically as good a hitter as Bruce at his absolute best.
If the Jays can really get Bautista for something like $20-$25 million on a one-year deal, they’ll likely be better off than if they had re-signed Encarnacion and traded for Bruce (or someone of his ilk) to fill the hole in RF. The Jays were never going to bring back both of their star sluggers, so if they had landed Encarnacion at that $20 million a year price tag, the replacement outfielder would probably have ended up being roughly equal in price and value to Morales. Landing Bautista for something close to the Encarnacion salary for 2017, without the multi-year commitment on the more expensive player, would give the Jays similar expected performance without nearly as much long-term risk.
While his poor-for-him 2016 season and the league’s muted interest in his services might help push the narrative that Bautista is reaching the end of his career, both ZIPS and Steamer see Bautista as roughly a +3 WAR player next year, with similar offensive projections as Encarnacion. While reasonable people could certainly prefer Encarnacion, and it’s fine to wish the team had gotten him for the 3/$60M that Cleveland ended up paying, it’s hard to argue that Bautista at 1/~$20M is not an even better option. Even if it’s closer to $25 million, that’s still a reasonable price for a high-level hitter.
And then, with another year of information about how well his body is actually holding up, the Jays could decide whether to keep him in Toronto for the end of his career, or allocate that significant chunk of their budget elsewhere next winter; an option they would not have had if they had re-signed Encarnacion.
Right now, it’s easy to look at the Jays’ winter and say that they should have done things differently. And some of us were even saying that the Morales signing was questionable when it happened, not just after Encarnacion’s price ended up coming down. But whether by good fortune or because they anticipated that Bautista might have a tough road in free agency, the Jays might end up in a better position for both 2017 and long-term than if Encarnacion had taken their original offer. If they get Joey Bats back on a one year deal, we might still question some of the decisions that got them to this point, but the end result might just be better than if they had gotten their way from the start.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
Even after adding Joey, wouldn’t that leave the Jays several wins short of last year? Where else do we make up the ground to get back to the postseason?
I’ve always found Bautista’s “Joey Bats” nickname sort of interesting. He’s not even the best hitter named Joey that wears #19! 😉
Wouldn’t Votto have to be Joey Votts?
he’s not called “Bats” for his hitting, but because of his mentation.
Should the availability of hindsight totally waive away the Morales move, though? You arent exactly saying it (I dont think) right? I didnt follow that comment and i do believe the Morales move at the time was terrible and is somehow ever worse now.
I dont really understand how the Jays jumping the aging bat only DH/1B argument can ever be okay. We’ve seen similar players to Morales sign or be acquired for a pittance in the past (Cruz, Trumbo, Pedro Alvarez, etc.).
Most people, especially at the time I would think, would have the Jays simply wait for someone to fall through the cracks like Encarnacion or Bautista or Trumbo or Beltran or Chris Carter or Carlos Gomez or HOlliday or Brandon Moss or Napoli or Navaroo or Rasmus or Saunders or David Ross…..
Also, Morales is younger than Trumbo, and Alvarez; while being the same age as Cruz was when he signed the 1 year deal with the Orioles (which, it should be noted, followed a steroid suspension for his involvement in the Biogenesis scandal. This no doubt affected his appeal).
Morales is younger than WHO?
Ha, yep. OLDER than Trumbo and Alvarez. Sorry.
Methusaleh
Totally agree. Chris Carter is projected to be just as good as Morales next year by wRC+ and wOBA and would have been basically free. They didn’t know that at the time, but I think you are right that they should have. These kinds of guys have been easily attained at the end of free agency for years now.
You’re totally right, David Ross is the answer to the Blue Jays’ ails.
They need a bench catcher, tho. 😉
There has obviously been a lot of discussion about this on various Jays fan forums, and the end result seems to be that we’re trying to sell ourselves on the idea that the drop in offensive production of Morales vs Edwin will be rather minimal as compared to the amount of money saved. This is the gamble they’re taking, and I can agree with them.
I actually feel the Toronto braintrust, which has a lot of intelligent people working at the top, was perfectly aware of what Edwin’s final cost would be. In the end, Edwin even ended up “beating” their projections, so to speak, and as a result didn’t offer him a low ball offer at all like was generally felt when that news became public. Just because the GM & managerial team read the market a little better than the world at large doesn’t mean they were wrong to go that route.
Saving money is only useful if the money is then re-purposed for other areas. Until the funding is put somewhere else, it’s just profit-taking.
They were pushing for Fowler, it just didn’t happen for them. I think the FO has a clear vision of the team for 2017, just hasn’t happened as they planned.
and is there something inherently wrong in not spending multiple millions of dollars when it seems as though spending the money wouldn’t be a worthwhile investment?
If you give Edwin a low ball, he might crush it for a homer.
In what way were they perfectly aware of what Edwin’s final cost would be? They offered him $20M more than his final cost, and pivoted quickly to what Dave describes as a sub-optimal strategy.
The Blue Jays FO weren’t alone in misreading the market, Kinzer and EE clearly did as well and likely other teams who pivoted early like the Astros/Red Sox/Yankees, but this is clearly not what the Jays FO wanted.
Great read. Off-season has not got as many would have hoped, but I do not think the management can be blamed- unless you subscribe to the “Rogers conspiracy”. Starting 5 still looks good, although more depth would be nice. Jays need to be careful with $$ if they are going to make an attempt to lock up Donaldson.
Why would they want to lock him up? Don’t pay for past production, pay for what you’ll be getting, and he’s going to start declining
If they are not going to trade him it at least has be seriously considered. Although I suppose they could let a perennial ~7 win player walk and get minimal compensation. Yes he will decline, but he is starting from a solid platform and unlike McCutchen he consistently rates as a good defender. I am not advocating for a $200 million dollar contract, but 20+ WAR for his age 32-37 seasons seems easily attainable and is worth an investment.
I don’t understand why the Jays would pay 20-25M for a 1 year deal when they have all the leverage. If you want to say his projection is 3 WAR for next year and he’s worth 20-25M if that’s right, that’s one thing, but paying Bautista 20-25M for one year coming off the year he did and lacking any leverage is crazy.
The Jays shouldn’t need to go over 20M for a 1 year deal, and should only be going over 20M if it’s for a 2 year deal (something like 32M over 2 years with options). Bautista can say he wants X amount of money all he likes, but he has no leverage to demand a 20-25M deal for 1 year.
I agree that Bautista is a great option at this point (and personally believe he’ll have a better year than EE in 2017), but I completely disagree with spending 25M over 1 year. He has no leverage, clearly other teams don’t want him with the draft pick attached, so the Jays don’t need to offer significantly more than the QO contract of 17.5M. And if Bautista says no, they can use that money to spend on a guy like Moss who would be a great platoon partner with Upton, or sign another of the many corner OF options and spread that 20-25M around to fill multiple needs (including the bullpen).
You’re correct in arguing Bautista might be worth 20-25M, but that doesn’t mean the Jays need to offer that.
You’re probably generally right, but Bautista can wait until after July 1 and then sign a 3 year deal without a penalty. He does have that option. I’m not trying to say that it’s the better option for him, but it is an option, nonetheless.
And if Bautista chooses to do that, then good for him. Then the Jays can sign Moss to platoon with Upton, they can sign a RP in FA, they can add a RF or go with Pompey. There are many options beyond Bautista.
The title of the article was salvaging the Jays winter. One option is signing Bautista – but only if it’s at a reasonable price. If Bautista wants more, then you can go with another option. He’s a good option, but he’s not the only option. The Jays can salvage their offseason in many different ways, and while Cameron focused on one of those ways, but at a price point that is not remotely reasonable.
Dave is right when he says Bautista might produce $25M in value in 2017, but that doesn’t mean the Jays need to pay him $25M. If he had no draft pick attached, or if he was coming off a stronger season, then other teams would be interested and driving up Bautista’s price. But as of right now Bautista has little interest, so the Jays don’t need to pay him at that price point. And Bautista is not the only option for the OF, so they’re not limited to looking at him.
The Jays budget is thought to have $25M left. So if the Jays spend that money on Bautista, then they can’t fill any of their other needs. So given the potential budget limitations, and their need to fill multiple holes, I don’t see it as wise to give Bautista $25M when he has no leverage to demand it.
Would I prefer Bautista to Moss or another corner OF option? Absolutely, but not if Bautista is going to cost $25M.
If anyone was willing to give JB a 3-year deal, they’d be willing to give up the pick for him. Teams aren’t looking to go that much with him, and on a 1 or 2 year deal, the pick ends up being even most costly.
There is no way a guy who is not worth spending a pick on is also worth a 3 year deal.
I can see a team that already spent a 1st go after him since they’d lose a 2nd
ZiPS and Steamer are also projecting Bautista to play ~140 games which seems overly optimistic. In the past 5 years he has only hit that mark twice. And now he is even older and seemingly even more injured.
In 2012 he had that wrist injury which prevented him from batting, in 2013 he had a hip injury, in 2014 and 2015 he was mostly healthy, except for that shoulder injury that he played through, and in 2016 he had the toe injury for kicking the outfield wall, and a knee ailment. For the most part, the injuries haven’t been recurring, so it’s not that unlikely that he’d play about 140 games.
Add head injury (Odor) to the list. Now the list is complete. Head, shoulder(s), knee(s) and toe(s).
He’ll be 36 years old next season. If I’m counting correctly, he’s dealt with 5 injuries over the last 5 years (or 4 injuries and 1 ailment). It would be very optimistic to think he’ll stay injury-free as he gets older.
My impression is that his dislikeability is also holding his price down some? Is he reportedly a pain in the butt in the clubhouse itself? No idea myself, just wondering.
But if he is a negative influence, I think you can project him to be negativer going forward. Getting way less than you think you’ve earned reliably makes grumps dis yet more gruntle than ever.
Yeah, I don’t see Bautista’s situation improving much even if he posts a ~130 wRC+ next season given that he would be another year older and still carry the personal baggage. It would make a lot of sense for Toronto and Bautista to work out a modest deal that would take him through the remainder of his career.
I think at this point, the Jays should just approach him and give him something like 3/45 with a 15M option for a 4th year. We keep the AAV down to afford upgrades in the pen or elsewhere, and he probably gets a similar total value to what he’ll end up with otherwise.
If the Jays pay him $25 million, they are losing $25 million plus the value of the draft pick, and all they are getting is one season of Jose Bautista. They won’t get any draft pick compensation nor will they get any real negotiating advantage in my opinion, sense I’d say there is a near-zero chance Bautista wouldn’t certainly take another shot at free agency next year.
On the other hand, no other team is going to give up too much to Bautista for one year, when they will have a draft pick taken from them. It seems the real competition is between the Blue Jays one-year offer and some multi-year offer from another team. If I’m the Jays, I offer him $16 million and see if anyone else gives him something better. If they do, well at least you get the draft pick.
It’s also possible that Bautista signs a 1.5 or 2.5 year deal on July 6th with some other team, having surrendered a half-season, and the Jays get nothing.
“they are losing $25 million plus the value of the draft pick”
Only if he signs elsewhere before June, and if no one’s offering him even QO-money then it’s perfectly rational for him to wait it out.
No, he can’t be offered the QO ever again. It might be possible that it makes sense for one of the other teams to wait until June to sign him for more money than they’d pay pre-June, but there is no effect on Bautista when or where he signs a contract for 2017.
Do you not put any stock into the quality of contact Morales had last year shown in this article? http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-hitter-contact-quality-report-al-first-base-and-dh/
I was surprised with how “hacky” Jonah’s piece was, obviously in my opinion. The fact is the calendar just turned and to judge the off season for any team on January 3rd using snarky and provocative language wreaks of page views at CBS driving content – I hope I am wrong.
Regardless, I think the Jays analytics could see more in Morales than many/most, and IMO there is enough “there” that it would be reasonable. His batted ball profile/exit velocity for 2016 was excellent and park factors will move in his favor significantly in the AL East. His BABIP was down some despite hard contact/exit velocity being really good, and there has been some analysis done about his effectiveness regarding breaking pitches which suggests the possibility of sustained improvement. I wouldn’t be shocked if Morales hits 35-40 HR’s in a healthy season with a SLG around .500.
As for Bautista, I will echo another commenter that 1 year at $20-$25 million seems to ignore the value of the pick, which I don’t see the Jays being benevolent and ignoring. If the pick is worth the $10+ million level, then a 1 year deal for Baustisa would be around $15 million. Throw in some face saving for his pride and I guess they sign him for right around the QO.
So Bautista/Morales/Pearce and possibly 1 more OF piece seems like a potentially better near term and long term (financial flexibility) combination than EE+ roster status quo. Finally, I think it also possible that the Jays rate Tellez highly and may see him in Toronto sometime in 2017.
If Bautista insists on more than $18M for one year, mightn’t they be better off with Pearce Pompey and signing Casilla and/or Romo? Their pen is kinda weak too.
With Jose’s pride, if the Jays try to lowball him some more, he’d probably take an even lower offer from somebody else in the AL East just so that he can crush the season, and haunt the Jays all 19 games he’d play against them.
With his track record of rising to the occasion on any little perceived slight, I would be betting on Jose over Shapiro any day of the week.
So the Jays signed the younger Gurriel brother, who is represented by the same group as Morales, one day after signing Morales. Maybe they weren’t unrelated signings.
I am not sure you can say Toronto could have signed E5 to a $60 million contract. If they are in the bidding for E5 then it is safe to assume his asking price will go up. Maybe, had they waited they could have got him for 4 years and $80 million.
The Dodgers should sign Bautista to a one year deal and stick him in left field.
Bautista on a one-year at $20-35 million?
he’ll sign for $18M at this point and will work hard in hope of finding a taker for 2018
At this point I’d rather the Jays keep the potential comp pick over signing Bautista for 1 yr. If they entertain signing him make it $40/2.
Jays only get the comp pick if another team signs him before the draft. No team appears interested in signing him to a long-term deal, which means they certainly aren’t going to sign him to a short-term deal (because giving up a draft pick worth ~$10M for a single season of Jose is foolish unless you expect him to return to MVP-quality), which means the only team that is likely to sign him is Toronto, since they’re the only club that doesn’t lose a draft pick for signing him. If Toronto can’t make a deal happen with him, you can bet he’ll sit for half the season and sign after the draft, yielding nothing for the Jays as compensation.
Salvaging the Winter.. FIND A DAMN BULLPEN