Samson Is Wrong: Marlins Aquarium Is 2nd to Rays
The Miami Marlins just announced plans to give their new ballpark an aquarium theme, and they have already installed two 450-gallon fish tanks. One each will be along the first- and third-base lines — the fish safe in soundproof, shatter-proof glass. In an exclusive interview with MLB.com, team president David Samson explained: “The reason this has never been done before, is not that it can’t be done…. It’s because no one thought to do it.”
But Samson is wrong. In fact, the other Florida team got there first. All the way back in the hazy mists of 2006, the then-Tampa Bay Devil Rays installed a 10,000 gallon aquarium — with 22 Cownose rays — beyond their outfield wall in right-center field. The Rays Touch Tank is still there, and the number of Rays’ rays has increased to 30. It was controversial at the time because the team offered to donate $5,000 to charity — half of it to the Florida Aquarium — any time a batter hit a home run into the tank. But both the team’s and the aquarium’s officials took pains to maintain that the rays themselves were not in danger.
Samson says the same about his fish. “We are working with people who work with fish for a living,” he told MLB.com. “If we thought for one minute that the fish were in danger in any way, we wouldn’t have done it.” That sounds to me like protesting too much. I mean, Randy Johnson killed a bird with a pitch in 2001, and I’m sure no one thought for one minute that he was going to — so there’s a necessary caveat that the inability to predict catastrophe doesn’t constitute the impossibility of catastrophe. But I don’t have any animal cruelty objection to the aquarium. I just object to the historical inaccuracy.
Back in 2006, because he’s Joe Maddon, the Rays manager had something quotable to say about how the outfield rays resembled the on-field Rays.
If you’re braver than I am, you just put your hand down there with no reservation whatsoever. But they’re just little cownose rays. They can’t really hurt you.
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There’s a [bullpen coach Bobby Ramos] ray, there’s one that’s kind of big… And I saw a Rocco [Baldelli] ray — he’s very, very smooth. And I noticed a very quick, darting Carl [Crawford] ray out there. And there was a very graceful left-finned ray, kind of like a [Scott Kazmir]. Very smooth.
But even before Tampa Bay put an aquarium in their stadium (or the Diamondbacks installed a swimming pool at their stadium, which opened in 1998), cities have long mentioned aquariums in the same breath as stadiums in municipal meetings: both require huge outlays of public capital and both convey a certain sense of a city having “made it” in terms of its national importance. There’s a reason that SimCity 2000 features stadiums and zoos in its Recreation menu: from a city planning standpoint, there are a lot of commonalities. (Is this a completely gratuitous fact? Yes. But it gave me an excuse to do more “research” for this article.)
The Rays have long had an association with the Florida Aquarium. Back in 1995, two and a half years before their first pitch, the Devil Rays unveiled their game uniforms in a ceremony at the aquarium — and aquarium members were admitted for free.
In 2000, when the Cardinals were looking to build a new stadium, the proprietor of the nonprofit St. Louis Children’s Aquarium wanted to be included in the discussions so that he could take over the old stadium site and move out of his then-current digs, “a former computer store… crammed with a hodgepodge of stuffed roadkill, whale bones, sloths, iguanas, sharks and more than 100 fish tanks.” (In 2004 the aquarium reopened as the World Aquarium at another location, not the former stadium site.)
In 1987, after the Phil Simms-Lawrence Taylor New York Giants won the Super Bowl, New Jersey’s sports authority announced its desire to build a baseball stadium and aquarium in the state. All the way back in 1915, as it was planning its development of Lakewood Park, Atlanta’s City Council planned for the public park to include both a baseball field and an aquarium.
Samson’s aquarium might well be savvy. But it isn’t unprecedented. Neither is the swimming pool, which is opening at the stadium’s Clevelander pavilion, operated by the proprietors of the legendary South Beach hotel and outdoor bar. (Although I have to admit, the fact that the Marlins’ Clevelander will have DJs and dancers straight from South Beach might be unprecedented — and undoubtedly distracting.)
I can’t praise the Marlins for their new logo, but I can praise them for many of the other things they’re doing: They’re clearly investing a lot of money into their team and their stadium, and for a franchise that has been publicly censured for penny-pinching, that’s obviously a very welcome development. They just need to stop saying that they’re the first team to think about putting an aquarium at the ballpark.
Alex is a writer for The Hardball Times.
“There’s a [bullpen coach Bobby Ramos] ray, there’s one that’s kind of big… And I saw a Rocco [Baldelli] ray — he’s very, very smooth. And I noticed a very quick, darting Carl [Crawford] ray out there. And there was a very graceful left-finned ray, kind of like a [Scott Kazmir]. Very smooth.”
and thus begins the saga…of the defenders of the game.
So dumb question: Has anybody hit a home run into the ray tank?
I wondered that too, and couldn’t find an answer. Anyone else know?
Carl Crawford once hit one that collided with the wall of the tank
Johnny Gomes! He’s the answer to any Ray’s HR question, can’t find video, but he hit one that either went in or was a foot too far (Gomes never comes up short lol). That’s from my memory at least, a few online commentors mention it in other places as well.
Tampa native Luis Gonzalez is the only player (I’m pretty sure) to hit a HR into the Touch Tank during a game. This was a few years ago when the D-Backs came to town for an interleague series. They now have a netting in front of it so it will never be done again.
I freaking love the Touch Tank, I stop by almost every game I go to. It’s awesome.
I don’t think it’s particularly innacurate to maintain that building an aquarium into the walls of the field is different than just plunking one down somewhere on the premises.
Another quote from the linked article:
An aquarium HAS been done. It’s simply inaccurate for him to suggest otherwise.
Dude Andrew is right, you took it out of context
‘What can we do with this part of the ballpark that’s never been done?’
AAR, I had to laugh at the SimCity2000 reference.
That made it the best FanGraphs article ever.
I agree with Andrew. This article is just an exercise in semantics.
Have you not read an Alex Remington article before?
Point taken. I’ve been away awhile.
Here’s an expanded part of the linked article for context.
“The Home Run Feature is very similar. It will have a very Miami feel. Then we started talking about behind the plate.”
In recent years, Marlins officials visited a number of new stadiums, observing their features. What they noticed is the wall behind the plate is similar no matter where they went.
“In other ballparks, behind home plate, there was a lot of brick and limestone, or just green padding,” Samson said. “We just sat down and said, ‘What can we do with this part of the ballpark that’s never been done?’ And we just came up with the idea, ‘How about an aquarium, is that even possible?'”
Thanks, BlackSwan. You’re right, I may have misinterpreted Samson. It seemed to me that he was saying that no one had done it ever. If he was just talking about behind home plate, then he’s technically right. It still seemed to me that if he wasn’t going to mention the Rays, then someone should.
Wait, did you praise the Marlins for investing in a new stadium? Hahahaha
Wait, is this the anniversary of the infamous NHL article?
You’re very kind to remember it. It actually is, just about. That one came out on December 30, 2010.
Ever since that piece I resolved to know more about a subject before writing about it than I did then.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/nhl-winter-classic-im-glad-selig-didnt-think-of-that/
Well then I choose to believe that this article is a parody to celebrate the anniversary.
I know you hated it and I freely admit that it wasn’t my best work, but I’m still kind of flattered that you found it so memorable.
As much as it’s fun to pick at you, some of us really appreciate that you’re willing to take on obscure topics – and stick to your guns. Happy New Year, Alex.
Alex, I know it’s mid December, but seriously, you couldn’t find anything more important to write about? I think what gets me is article’s tone. That you’re actually taking Samson to task for not knowing more about the timeless tradition of putting fish tanks in stadiums. You made a non-story out of nothing.
Eh, aquariums are fun to write about. Do I think Samson is a horrible guy for not giving the other team a bit of free press by saying, “Well, we know that other people have had a ballpark aquarium before but they haven’t had one here“? No, he isn’t a horrible guy. But it was a misleading quote, and I hadn’t read anyone write much about the subject of aquariums in baseball before. So I wanted to write about it.
I think that Luis Gonzalez hit one into the tank in 2007
What the Rays have isn’t actually aquarium. It’s technically an indoor pond with a viewing window.
Also you took the Samson out of context. He was saying that nobody ever built an aquarium into the walls behind home plate.
I had this idea back in like 2006 or 2007 at the old raysbaseball.com site (when it was still a fan site, before the team bought it), complete with bad MSPaint representations. How freaking cool would it be to see a guy robbing a home run by leaping up a wall of a fish tank?
Sampson’s line is at least misleading. He’s acting like it is a novel idea. It’s not. He just put it somewhere else. If someone puts a fish tank in front of the left field terrace, they could just as easily say “no one has done this before” but that’s misleading.
Also, every stadium that has ever been built has something unique about it. The simple fact that every aspect of your stadium is not an exact copy of previous work is not something to brag about. If Sampson had just said “we thought it would be cool to put an aquarium behind home plate” that would be fine; but he’s acting like he should win some sort of creativity award for this, which is a bit much.
Er… Samson. Sorry, Fish fans.
No. its pretty damn novel and creative to have a massive tropical fish tank served as the wall behind home plate. Its utterly unique. Give credit where it’s due. No one has done it, its really damn cool and will look really cool on tv.
You’re absolutely right, the TV angle is the really interesting piece of this. It’ll certainly look a whole lot cooler than the new home run sculpture.
http://miami.marlins.mlb.com/mia/ballpark/webcam.jsp
Building a fish tank into a wall has been done before, so this isn’t novel. Samson says “no one thought to do it” as if he cracked the code of what to do with the first and third base line walls. That’s misleading. He decided to put an aquarium in the stadium, which has been done, and then decided to build it into a wall, which has also been done. Like I said, every stadium is unique, that doesn’t mean a guy tooting his own horn for supposed creativity shouldnt be called out for doing so.
What other team has a fish tank as their first and third walls? Having an aquarium in the stadium somewhere isn’t that cool of an idea. May as well have a petting zoo too. However, having it as a part of the wall, that you will see at all times? Please, give me some article about some podunk indy team or some podunk minor league team that has also done this, because I’ve never seen an ML team with that.
What other team has a car-shaped cutout on its outfield wall? What other team has a hill with a flagpole on it? What other team has a right field upper deck that hangs over the field? What other team sells sushi in the concession stands? What other team has 10 cent beer night? What other team has a white guy dressed as an Indian come out of a teepee when they hit a home run? What other team has been investigated by the SEC for fraud?
Samson acts like he thought of something ingenious that any other team, had they thought of it, would have done first. That’s not true. He’s overselling and he should be called out on it.
“I can praise them for many of the other things they’re doing: They’re clearly investing a lot of Miami’s property taxes into their team and their stadium”
Fixed.
Just for accuracy no prop taxes involved. Its all hotel and restaurant taxes. Its shady but still not property taxes.
Hah, fair enough. At least they’re spending it on the team instead of lining their own pockets.
Only if you consider taxes to be non-fungible, property taxes were raised at the same time construction was being paid by the municipality. I also am highly doubtful the hotel and restaurant taxes will even come close to meeting the costs of the stadium. Especially considering the estimated 40 year cost to the municipality is 2 billion dollars.
Also you have to be extraordinarily naive to even consider Loria isn’t lining his pocket with the increased revenue from the new stadium, the naming rights (which somehow he owns without paying for most of the stadium), and concessions and ticket sales from even nonbaseball events (again even though he didn’t pay for the damn stadium). He’s paying enough to not get beheaded by the city. This is the same guy who was earning nearly 40 million in 2008 by putting out a subpar team.
Listen i dislike samson and loria as much as anyone but i think your over reacting a bit tk. The guy didnt claim to end world hunger just a bit of horn tooting over something that is pretty cool. Of course being miami its guaranteed the fish somehow escape and devour every indigenous fish but thats another issue
All “bird teams” (Cardinals, Orioles, Blue Jays… Am I forgetting any?) should have massive aviaries. Aviaries are like aquariums, right? People like aviaries?
No?
Agreed! And the Boston Bees should have had an apiary.
I really hope none of those fish swim in front of Randy Johnson’s fastball! Clearly, those fish have the same level of risk as an unrestricted bird.