So What Do the Diamondbacks Do Now?

Heading into the season, there was probably no more polarizing team in baseball than the Diamondbacks. Despite adding Zack Greinke, Shelby Miller, and Tyler Clippard over the winter, our preseason forecasts pegged Arizona as a 78 win team, a win worse than they finished a year ago. The organization themselves saw a wildly different picture, and so many articles were written about the divide that I had to write a piece in March trying to dispel the notion that we had some kind of bias against the franchise.

You know what’s happened since then. First, the team suffered a devastating loss when A.J. Pollock’s lingering elbow issues turned into a season-ending injury right before Opening Day. Then Zack Greinke gave up seven runs in his first regular season start with the team, and struggled through a slow start to the season. Then Shelby Miller imploded, pitching worse than any other starter in baseball this year. And now it’s the end of May and the team is 23-30, already nine games behind the Giants in the NL West race.

But this isn’t a post gloating that we were right all along. In reality, some of the D’Backs optimism surrounding their team has actually been more correct than our pessimism about the team’s chances, if you look beyond the overall record, anyway. Our projections didn’t like the Diamondbacks because it had a negative view of their role players, thinking that this was basically a stars-and-scrubs team that relied too heavily on a few elite players. But so far, those role players have been carrying the team, keeping it afloat while the big names struggle.

Jake Lamb has been the team’s best player to date, putting up a 136 wRC+ and playing solid defense at third base. Jean Segura has justified the team’s belief that he could regain his power stroke, and while he’s cooled off after a hot start, he’s been a quality middle infielder for them. The catching tandem of Wellington Castillo and Chris Hermann have been among the most productive pair of backstops in the league. With +8.2 WAR, the D’Backs position players rank 8th best in baseball at this point, and that’s without getting a single game from Pollock; if he had stayed healthy and you add him to this mix, the D’Backs group of position players would again look like one of the best in the league, at least over the first couple of months of the season.

Of course, the pitching has been a disaster, but it’s not like Shelby Miller was obviously going to turn into a pumpkin overnight, or that Patrick Corbin was going to obviously regress after pitching well in his return from Tommy John surgery in the second half of last year. If Greinke, Miller, and Corbin were pitching to the level that our forecasts projected before the season instead of combining for a 5.15 ERA over 178 innings, the D’Backs would be north of .500, and right in the middle of the wild card race. It wouldn’t be fair for us to proclaim that we saw this coming when the D’Backs season has gone wrong for reasons that have nothing to do with why we thought the team would struggle.

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But, regardless of what people thought of the preseason projections or our credibility at the time, the reality is that the D’Backs 2016 season is in trouble. With about 60 days to go before the trade deadline, the team is one more cold stretch away from likely admitting that they aren’t going to be in the playoff hunt this year, and their schedule to begin June is brutal: they play road games against the Astros the next two days, then go to Chicago for a weekend series against the Cubs before coming home to play the Rays, Marlins, and Dodgers.

Given that they also just lost Rubby de la Rosa to the DL at the same time they gave Shelby Miller a break from pitching, the team’s rotation is thin heading into a stretch that could easily put a nail in the team’s coffin. Given the quality of competition and the state of their pitching staff at the moment, the team shouldn’t be expected to win more than six or seven of these upcoming games, and a 4-11 or 5-10 stretch can’t be ruled out. If they lose twice as many as they win, they’d enter mid-June something like 28-40, and would very likely be double-digit games out of both the NL West and Wild Card races.

At that point, it would almost certainly be time for the D’Backs to admit that 2016 wasn’t their year, and begin to look to the future. But with Miller pitching himself into question mark status, Corbin looking less reliable than hoped for, and de la Rosa a health concern after another elbow problem, it’s not so clear that the D’Backs should just count on a return from a healthy Pollock to lead them back to the postseason in 2017. The team isn’t losing any huge free agents this winter — Brad Ziegler’s contract is up, but that’s about it — so they could return most of this roster and make another run next year, but the lack of expiring contracts means that they probably won’t have a ton of money to spend either; the savings from not having to pay Aaron Hill, for instance, could get eaten up by raises for guys like Pollock, Yasmany Tomas, and Paul Goldschmidt.

Clearly, the Diamondbacks aren’t going to just give up and start trading veterans for prospects; they’ve invested too much into their win-soon plan to pivot after two bad months. But it’s also not clear how they’re going to take their current roster and turn it into a winner without some improvements, and with the farm system weakened by the winter’s big trade, there isn’t a clear path forward just from promoting prospects either. Getting this team into contention is going to take some creativity.

So, here’s one very off-the-wall suggestion; make Zack Greinke available in trade talks. The pitching market is thin at best this summer, and there are no real quality starters set to hit the free agent market this winter, so putting a high-quality starter on the trade block could put the D’Backs in an advantageous position. In a market devoid of rent-an-ace options, Greinke could have real appeal for a team looking to win in the short-term.

The contract, of course, would be a problem; no other team in baseball wanted to give Greinke $200 million just a few months back, of course, and he hasn’t exactly helped his stock by running a 4.71 ERA through the first two months of the season. But the remaining portion of the contract isn’t as onerous as the overall dollar figure; the D’Backs would remain responsible for the $18 million signing bonus, and because of the deferred salary, the calculated value of his future salaries is more like $160 million.

5/$160M is reportedly where the Dodgers and Giants were both willing to go in free agency, and roughly what he has left on his deal after accounting for the deferrals and keeping the signing bonus on the D’Backs books. Toss in the small-but-not-insignificant fact that trading for him now doesn’t come with the draft pick compensation that signing him over the winter would have cost, and I think there would be a few teams interested in at least exploring a Greinke deal.

The Red Sox would probably be the first team to call, with Clay Buchholz demoted to the bullpen, Joe Kelly remaining maddeningly inconsistent, and Eduardo Rodriguez raising some concerns with mediocre performances during his rehab. The Sox could certainly use another quality starter, and have the financial capability to take on most of Greinke’s remaining contract; adding Greinke to David Price would give the team the best chance to send David Ortiz off in style this October. With Buchholz wanting to start, a deal centered around swapping him and Greinke — with Boston sending other pieces as well, depending on how much of the contract Arizona wanted to keep on their books — could potentially benefit both sides.

For Arizona, moving Greinke a few months into a six year deal would bring instant criticism, but this is an organization that has been marching to the beat of their own drum for a while now. The negative public relations associated with trading a guy right after signing him to a long-term contract could be diminished if Greinke was on board with the move, which he’d probably have to be anyway, given he has some no-trade protection in his contract.

But if they made a deal where they got some major league players back and moved Greinke’s 2017 salary off the books, they could pitch it as a rational response to changing dynamics; they didn’t know they’d be without Pollock when they signed Greinke, so now they’re trying to put the best team they can on the field next year, and so acquiring a pitcher they could potentially control for 2017 at a lower cost could give them the ability to add some necessary depth. Especially if they’re going to be without de la Rosa and aren’t sure what Miller will give them, turning Greinke into a couple of pitchers and some available budget room could give them more flexibility for retooling their roster.

It’s probably too far out there even for Arizona, and Greinke could nuke the entire idea simply by invoking his no-trade clause, assuming he and his agents put all the teams that would take the contract on their list of teams to block deals to. But with the D’Backs 2016 season potentially a few weeks away from being all but over, the D’Backs should probably start at least thinking about whether they’d be better off moving Greinke now. Even if the answer is no, it’s going to take some out-of-the-box moves to get this team back on track, and they probably can’t just rely on guys playing like they expected.

The D’Backs have spent the last year doing exactly the opposite of the consensus. The normal path, at this point, would be to stand pat and hope things get better, but Arizona might be best served taking the unconventional road once again.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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Fnor
10 years ago

The Greinke trade is a great suggestion, but for the moment the Diamondbacks seem to think the way out of this mess is to have their GM yell at opposing broadcasters:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/tony-la-russa-invades-booth-to-argue-with-a-pirates-broadcaster/

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Fnor

Hey, President of Baseball Ops, don’t be pulling rank

Dave Stewart
10 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Why am I not surprised?

Though the way this year has gone, I would happily yell at the other 24 opposing broadcasters in person.

AnonMember since 2025
10 years ago

Aside from the no-trade roadblock, I’d be curious to know the last big-name free agent pitcher to be traded midway through Year 1 of a deal greater than say, 3 years? I’m wracking my brain and can’t come up with one.

JediHoyer
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Mark beuhrle.

AnonMember since 2025
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Buehrle was traded after Year 1 not during the year but good call, I’d forgotten about the Marlins’ fire sale.

JediHoyer
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Yeah I forgot of it was during or after first year. Just remembered they backloaded the deal just for that purpose, so cheap,

d_iMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

I remember this coming up as an argument against trading a good Josh Willingham a few months into a three year deal in what turned out to be a lost Twins season. Instead they held him until he was worthless.

output gap
10 years ago

The decision to sign Greinke was made by their owner because he wanted a frontline starter to pair with Goldschmitt. Trading Greinke, even for a great package, reopens their front of rotation problem. Organizationally, I doubt the owner who just put down $206 million is ready to bail.

In addition, the Red Sox have avoided large contracts on aging pitchers as an organization for years. Yes, Dombrowski is the man in charge now, but even he has never spent $350 million on 2 pitchers over 30.

CosmoMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  output gap

They finished in second during the Lester sweepstakes, and lost out to their former GM.

chaokangMember since 2020
10 years ago
Reply to  output gap

Has anyone spend $350 million on 2 pitchers over 30? That seems an overly restrictive way to judge whether someone will want to take on the Greinke contract

spmccaul
10 years ago

The D-Backs are a terrible team. It’s as simple as that. Their position players aren’t supposed to be playing this well and they won’t continue to play this well – this can already be seen in the form of both Castillo and Segura plummeting back to earth after godly starts. When you trade your #1 pick for Shelby Miller, it comes back to bite you. No one except people who hate the game of baseball should be sad about the D-Backs horrific start; they deserve this start due to piss-poor management and they’re reaping what they sow. The baseball gods have spoken.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

They can call up swanson, wait no… They can trade inciarte for pitching, wait no… They can call up Aaron blair, wait no…

Brock244
10 years ago

Not sure trading Greinke is a great option for he dbacks. They’re obviously in win now, mode, so trading Greinke would seem to be a complete opposite of what they’re trying to do. For a team with Pollock and Goldy under control and that traded their farm for Miller, not sure they’re reading to blow things up

If they trade Greinke for say Buch and Kelly, them used the saved money on, Cashner or Hill are they really a better team?

As a redsox fan, Would like Greinke in the short term, but he would restrict the team and make additional signings and or extensions harder. I’m not sure id want the RS to take on that contact

LHPSU
10 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

If their rotation is full of holes, trading Greinke and getting say Bucholz and Kelly in return would probably not hurt the team (two mediocre pitchers vs Greinke and a replacement scrub), and they’d wash their hands of the contract.

Not that I see it happening, just playing devil’s advocate.

Joeys Bat FlipMember since 2025
10 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

I think this is a great question: who would they re-allocate their money to, if they saved a bundle on Greinke? Yes, Cashner and HIll are FAs this year (along with Anderson, Latos, Nova, and Fister), but they’re underwhelming options, especially if the club worries about its ability to compete in 2017. The position players appear to be fairly strong, and not the weak point, currently. I agree that paying $68M for two seasons where your expectations of making the playoffs may be more hopeful than realistic is a silly way to spend money, but if you’re not going to get players who will be valuable in 2018 and beyond (e.g. Darby Swanson – facepalm), then maybe better to hold onto Greinke and hope that his trade value goes up between now and April 2018.

I don’t see a strong case here for selling Greinke, although I don’t see a strong case for them doing anything, at the moment.

ghosthornMember since 2019
10 years ago
Reply to  Joeys Bat Flip

Love that “Kentucky Darby” Swanson

victorvran
10 years ago

The “why we hate the diamondbacks” link doesn’t work. I think you hyperlinked why we hate(f) the diamondbacks

czechvarmander
10 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

May have been a Freudian slip by Dave. Sometimes I think that Dave Stewart is trying to hate(f) the diamondbacks.

cubfanjack
10 years ago

LaRussa puts the capital “D” in the feminine hygiene product we use so frequently as an adjective these days. It dates all the way back to his days in the early 80’s as skipper of the White Sox. It’s sort of comical to watch him squirm since he and his hand picked GM are so far out of their depth. How many ex players (Edmonds–Rolen etc) had feuds with him after they left? How many opposing managers did you see him get in shouting matches with over the years?

szielinskiMember since 2026
10 years ago
Reply to  cubfanjack

Lloyd McClendon invited LaRussa to meet him under the stands at PNC where Lloyd would beat his ass real good. For this reason alone, I’d welcome The Legend back into the organization!

cubfanjack
10 years ago
Reply to  szielinski

He wasn’t exactly pals with Dusty Baker either..nor several others. When you’re incredibly smug and have a big mouth, you make enemies quickly (as I look in the mirror).

patagent
10 years ago

Greinke is probably more valuable to the DBacks than any other team at this point. He probably wouldn’t fetch a massive haul in a trade. It’s not a given that he’ll live up to the remainder of his contract. Teams might be willing to take the financial risk to have him but I can’t see smart teams giving up premium prospects for him.

victorvran
10 years ago

Teams that wanted to go 5/160 wanted to do that, starting this year. So now, they get a greinke who has looked worse and .5 less seasons of current greinke and they are getting the 1 year on the back of the contract that they wanted no part of to start with. 4/128 would be more like what they would have been looking at after this year. I don’t see much reason for teams to trade for him unless the dbacks eat even more money and I really don’t see much of a reason for them to give up any real talent.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

In the red Sox scenario what even makes sense, dbacks cover the difference between greinke and bucholz this year and maybe 5 mil next, and get what Henry Owens as a second piece and call it a deal?

Richie
10 years ago

I thought Greinke was set on staying in the National League?

jsc1973
10 years ago

They pushed all of their chips to the table last winter. Once you’re all in, you’re all in. All they can do is hope that Miller bounces back in 2017 and everyone stays healthy, and try to add some complementary pieces to the team. Once you’re all in, you either double down or fold.

RMD4
10 years ago
Reply to  jsc1973

Yeah they’re not trading him. And this article is eerily similar to advocating the Royals trade away James Shields…

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/its-time-for-the-royals-to-trade-james-shields/

victorvran
10 years ago
Reply to  jsc1973

baseball isn’t some sort of vague gambling scenario that you’re trying to analogize to. You can cut your losses.

RainmakerMember since 2016
10 years ago

I don’t know, this article does feel like gloating — between losing Pollock for the season, Grienke having his worst month in the last five years, and Miller disintegrating out of nowhere, we’re talking about guys projected to get 5.3 WAR at this point of the season, totaling only 0.5 WAR as of yesterday. That’s hardly something to put on management.

Likewise, I think they made the decision to win now based on a core of strong position players, so as long as that core is in place, I think they need to keep to the plan. Bradley just had a good start, and Shipley may not be far away, so there is still a path forward in the near-term.

At the same time, I can’t make any sense of what they’re doing with Jake Lamb. They’re essentially forcing him into a platoon role, when he appears to be at least serviceable versus lefties. And this to give more at bats to Rickie Weeks? Phil Gosselin? WTF?

victorvran
10 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

So if those players didn’t get hurt, didn’t underperform, and their role players continued to perform (you know, if everything went perfectly), they’d be close to .500? That’s on management. They sold out to build a .500 club.

Brian P. Mangan
10 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

Let’s be fair here. “Sold out for a .500 club” is not fair.

The D’Backs have a 25.5-27.5 third order record, if you believe in that. It’s 24-29 by pythag.

Add 4.5 wins to the first number and they’re 30-23 and in first place. Add 4.5 wins to their actual record and you get 28-25.

28-25 is close to .500 but that’s actually good enough for first place in the NL West and it’s early enough in the season that anything can happen.

If Pollock/Greinke/Miller were just hitting projections, this team and race is way different, especially this early.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

They projected as a .500 team with all of those players hitting their projections. So you are saying keep the over performances but discard the underperformances when you do that.

Brian P. Mangan
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Sure. I’ve got no horse in this, just trying to be even-handed about this.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

Me too. I’m a cubs fan, and some of those fans say if Hayward and soler were hitting they would be winning 90%, while this might be true there are players like zobrist and Fowler outperforming their projections.

johnforthegiants
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Also (assuming we’re evaluating by WAR) Bryant, Russell, Ross, La Stella, Szczur, Arrieta, Hendricks, Lackey, Lester, Hammel, Rondon, Strop are outperforming their projections.

victorvran
10 years ago

JFG sighting! Your hate is strong

JediHoyer
10 years ago

I like how you include people like strop, russell, bryant who are literally dead on their projections (baserunning and d is the difference) and 3 back ups just to emphasize your cubs hate.

victorvran
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Hey, you have to respect his effort to capitalize any and I mean ANY opportunity to hate on the cubs. He sets a gold standard for all trolls to strive for.

johnforthegiants
10 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

Because Fangraphs writers and readers capitalize on any and I mean ANY opportunity to say how great the Cubs are. Jedi is the one who brought the Cubs into this conversation, not me, attempting to make it appear as though the Cubs’ overperformers and underperformers this year are balancing out (2/2 as he presented it).

johnforthegiants
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

WAR after 49 games: Strop 0.4, Russell 1.2, Bryant 2.4, that projects to Strop 1.3, Russell 4.0, Bryant 7.9. Projections were Strop 0.5/0.7/0.8, Russell 1.9/1.7/2.0, Bryant 3.8/4.0/4.0. All of these data are from Fangraphs. How is this ‘literally dead on’? It’s basically double for all of them. Out of the Cubs starting rotation, top two relievers, and top 12 PA hitters, the only ones are AREN’T radically outperforming their projections are two guys you mentioned, Rizzo, Baez, and Montero, that’s 5/19.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

So you didnt look at how the war was projected… I’ll give u a hint, projections regresses defense and baserunning, which is why projections are generally on the low side of players who provide elite baserunning or defense unless they do it over a huge sample. But you are the smartest guy in the world you should know this!

johnforthegiants
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

I did look and I’m just giving the facts. If you don’t like the projections and you want to change them to make them more cubs-friendly, that’s your business.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

I stated the facts, they are right on their wRC+ projections. In my initial comment I stated they are ahead in defense and baserunning. Those are the things projections struggle with without a large sample, that is fact. Out hitting projections is a better example of luck. Granted you are talking about 2 top 10 prospects who are in their second years so even then it’s not really overperforming if they would out hit.

johnforthegiants
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Fair enough, you’re right, if you count by wRC+, Bryant and Russell are matching their projections. If you count by WAR, as I did, they are outperforming.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

I’m just explaining that you shouldn’t use baserunning and defense projections from first or second year players. With wRC+ we have minor league data to input plus their first year, in terms of defense and baserunning projections just use average with positional adjustments for the years we don’t have. Sure it weights the most recent year most heavily but it’s something like 50,30,20(yr1,2,3). So if a 3b is 10 runs above average at 3b his rookie year 50% of the projection is based on that and 50% will be just the positional adjustment. This is a rough example, but it’s why all ss in the minors project for getting defensive value.

johnforthegiants
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

It’s human nature to select the evaluation systems which favor the points we’re trying to make, and this is especially an issue when we’re taking about players without much experience in the majors, of whom the Cubs have a lot among their position players, Bryant, Russell, La Stella, Baez, Soler, and Szczur. I don’t see any point in arguing about the relative merits of different means of projecting for these players with someone like who is committed to being wildly optimistic about everyone about the Cubs and findings statistics which will support this wild optimism.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

I’m not selecting anything. I’m saying projection systems are excellent for offense, not so much for d and baserunning in regards to first or second year players. This is for all projection systems. Third year players it’s only weighted about 20% so it doesn’t matter as much but still an effect. Nothing I stated was incorrect nor did I present any stats to paint the cubs brighter, it is simply a flaw in the projection system that we don’t have the data for it. Like I said offensively minors stats paint is a picture, a guy like andrelton simmons wouldn’t be projected right in his first or second year because of a lack of data defensively.

JediHoyer
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Look at j.p Crawford’s projection, he gets average ss d, and average baserunning. Despite being by most accounts a plus fielder and above average runner. Just keep this in mind for future reference,

johnforthegiants
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

I’m sure that you also have some argument why the fact that all five Cubs starters and their two top relievers have much higher WARs than their projections is the result of some problem with the WAR metric as applied to the certain type of pitchers which the Cubs happen to have, so that it should be replaced some other metric which will give all of them better projections, but I don’t see any point in talking about it.

glenstein
10 years ago

I’m still not entirely clear on how, as Jed observed, keeping the overperfomances and discarding the underperformances counts as even-handed.

This reads like a variant of the Just World Hypothesis applied to the D-backs. If someone concludes that the D-Backs made poor decisions over the offseason, it must be because they’re not being fair. Fairness isn’t about evidence, it’s about making sure every bad thing is accompanied an equal and opposite good thing, because the world is just.

RainmakerMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Hmmm. “Underperformance” is an interesting way to categorize losing a player for the season to injury.

JediHoyer
10 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

Is he giving them his projected performance while hurt? Or I guess they planned on exactly 0 players getting hurt?

johnforthegiants
10 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

C’mon, I’m not a dbacks homer and losing a player like Pollock for the season isn’t normal, that’s a really tough break.

JediHoyer
10 years ago

So matt harvey, jose fernandez, schwarber haven’t missed basically full seasons. Didn’t tulo average like 80 games for 5 years?

victorvran
10 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

MLB Rainmaker says – “I’m a huge dbacks homeeeeeer!!”

victorvran
10 years ago

The Giants are 32-21. How does 28-25 get them in first place in the west?

Brian P. Mangan
10 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

Jeez. Sorry was looking at BPro and it’s sorted by third order.

victorvran
10 years ago

Fact are important

victorvran
10 years ago

Maybe you should try to be more factual and less “fair”?

AnonMember since 2025
10 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

Huge Lamb fan – they are trying to get Lamb PAs against lefties where they can but to this point in his career, he’s really not playable against lefties. He has a .595 OPS this year against lefties, up from .541 last year. I’ve watched him quite a bit and while he’s got a good approach (7BB in 39PA v. lefties, this year and 5BB in 51PA last year) he’s definitely not not doing much damage up there against lefties yet so they’re stuck in the usual catch-22 for young players where he needs PA to settle in but it’s hard to give him PA when he’s so terrible. Especially when the team is trying to win and have Brandon Drury tearing it up. Weeks is only playing OF for the DBacks & only 7 starts at that as he is primarily a PH. Weeks exists primarily because you don’t want to waste a roster spot on a young guy who would only get to start once a week and PH 3 other times. That’s no way to develop young players. Gosselin has a career .751 OPS against lefties which isn’t anything special but still, .751 > .595. Plus, he has only started 3 games at 3B this year so it’s not like he’s taking a lot of PA away from Lamb ,

I suspect when the DBacks fall out of it, Lamb will see a lot more PT against lefties.

RainmakerMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

First, 90 Plate Appearances….we’re going to make a call on him at 90PAs? That’s the whole problem!!!

The bigger issues is development — you just can’t push young players into platoon roles early and then expect them to magically develop against LHPs; they need consistent ABs to develop, and failure to do that is just forcing you into platoon roles down the line. Its a bad approach.

AnonMember since 2025
10 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

You are obviously stuck on your original position and just plainly ignoring the reality of how MLB teams operate. The DBacks are trying to win as many games as they can this year which means putting your best team out there as much as possible which means platooning Lamb and getting Drury a lot of PA against lefties.Like almost all young LH hitters, Lamb struggles with lefties. Nomar Mazara is tremendous but has a 656 OPS against lefties. Harper had poor numbers against lefties his 1st 2 years. (Actually it’s funny, Harper had a pretty large 174 point platoon split last year too but when your “weak” side is a .986 OPS, well managers will live with that 😉 ) That’s just the way it goes.

Nobody is “making a call” on Lamb’s career and stuffing him into a platoon role. I think he’ll develop well against lefties – line drive swing, hits the ball hard, good eye, patient approach. He’ll be OK but he’s going to have to work his way into more PA against lefties with the Dbacks’ current situation of wanting to win now and having an extra RH bat in Drury who is hitting well and can play multiple positions.

RainmakerMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Than why isn’t Mazara in a platoon like this? You bring him up….yet Texas isn’t platooning him. I guess the Rangers aren’t an MLB team? He started the season in the minors and already has more PAs vs LHPs.

The only other team I can think of doing this is the Mets with Conforto, which Keith Law has been pounding them about for ruining his development. And even then Conforto’s looked way worse with 0/7 BB/K vs Lamb’s 7/9.

You don’t develop against lefites with 60PAs in a season….thats reality friend.

TKDCMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

Personally, I thought there should have been more gloating in this article.

Goms
10 years ago

They should trade Grienke for Swanson, Inciarte, and Blair. That’d be a nice haul.

etweetz
10 years ago
Reply to  Goms

Even if they did and essentially got a free Shelby Miller, it would still be a net negative because Shelby Miller is a negative all by himself right now :c

johnforthegiants
10 years ago

Hard to imagine the same management which got Greinke would try to peddle him so soon after. It’s too humiliating an admission of failure.

Dooduh
10 years ago

Cards could be a fit for Greinke too. I don’t see any team dealing anything of value w/o the DBs throwing some $ into the pot tho. And of course, the DBs would really need Greinke to reel off 5 or 6 straight solid starts to reset his value after this slow start.

HPJoker
10 years ago

Trading Greinke tanks any chance of signing a big time free agent any time soon. And why would they 1) sell low on him and 2) expect anything in return when these same teams could’ve had him for virtually the same price 6 months ago. Then you talk about eating money 2 months into a 6 year deal. It would be a disaster.

victorvran
10 years ago
Reply to  HPJoker

“Then you talk about eating money 2 months into a 6 year deal. It would be a disaster.”

Cutting your loses. It was a pretty unwise decision in the first place (not great team, huge % of payroll, older pitcher). Yeah, it’d be bad to do, but is it worse than paying out the full conract? (That’s rhetorical).

szielinskiMember since 2026
10 years ago

Fire Tony ‘Capt’n Blood’ LaRussa.

Hurtlocker
10 years ago

In fairness, Goldshmidt hasn’t had a very good season (for him) so far too.

victorvran
10 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

He’s also not making $30m+

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
10 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

He’s got a superstar pedigree

shoewizardMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

closing in on 140 wRC+ and on pace for 5 or 6 WAR season. Eh……it’s not the issue. This is 90% about the pitching, and 10% about poor sequencing on offense

victorvran
10 years ago
Reply to  shoewizard

and a bad team

victorvran
10 years ago

What they do now, is wait. They are going to be terrible. Their huge signing, is bad. Their huge (and awful) trade is abysmal x 100. They said there is no way they can lose as many as last year? Well, they probably will. At least the have the Pollock excuse. And I guess the Greinke excuse. You can’t even really use shelby because people thought he was meh and they traded ender-then he got hurt, who people thought was at least equal value. So even with shelby tanking, its still a, “well you lost ender so it evens out-ish”

bluerum29
10 years ago

As interesting as this idea is, trading away Greinke because Pollack is out for the year and the Miller trade hasn’t looked good after a few months is a horrible idea. What the team needs to do is trade off a few pieces who have had good starts to the year to help build towards 2017. They have multiple bullpen arms that they could ship off, Ziegler, Hudson, Clippard, as well as players like Weeks and Segura. If they wanted to try and trade off one or two young pieces to get something solid back they could include players like Ahmed, or Hanson.

victorvran
10 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

No one is buying into sss success. Well, no one, since they cant trade with themselves. Maybe call the pads?

Chill
10 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

D’accord

Brownie19
10 years ago

I didn’t read the article, but the correct answer is to fire Dave Stewart. Actually I’d also fire the person responsible for firing Dave Stewart….as they should have done it a long time ago. The Swanson deal is beyond stupid.

jimtron
10 years ago

They should start with bringing up Peter O’Brien for good, as opposed to inexplicably wasting time with Michael Bourn and Rickie Weeks as semi-regulars.

davemascera
10 years ago

How exactly is this a good idea? First off, you don’t sell low unless low is the new normal. And Greinke isn’t going to stay this low. We all know that. Secondly, if you’re a team that needs pitching, why would you ever sell your most talented pitcher? That makes absolutely no sense.

So you go from “Getting this team into contention is going to take some creativity,” to saying that Greinke should be traded, explaining exactly why the Red Sox need him, and then not really explaining the specifics of what the Diamondbacks get out of it, in addition to failing to mention it’ll probably be at a discounted cost because Greinke is performing poorly right now.

Damn.. you guys must really hate the Diamondbacks.