Something Was Off with Kluber, Cleveland’s Stars

CLEVELAND — In a spartan, fluorescent-lit conference room adjacent to the home clubhouse of Progressive Field sat Corey Kluber early this morning. The night before, he’d started — and lost — Game 5 of the ALDS to the Yankees. It was clear as Kluber pitched on Wednesday that something wasn’t right. It hadn’t been right in his Game 2 start on Friday, either.

Surrounded by a swelled press corps containing local and national reporters, he was asked what was wrong, what had gone wrong. Inevitably, the topic of his health arose. Despite producing a Cy Young-caliber season, Kluber had also visited the DL from May 2 to June 1 with a back strain.

By the end of the series against New York, Kluber had allowed nine earned runs and 13 baserunners — including four home runs — in 6.1 innings over two starts. Two of the home runs he’d conceded were off his curveball. He’d allowed only two homers off the curve all season, a sample of 811 pitches.

After a remarkable second half, after an outstanding 2016 postseason, Kluber inexplicably produced two clunkers in the playoffs, his two worst — and briefest — outings since coming off the disabled list on June 1.

Kluber typically doesn’t miss his location like this, letting the ball drift into a hitter’s sweet spot:

“I don’t feel like I need to get into details right now,” Kluber told reporters after Game 5. “I was healthy enough to go out there and try to pitch.”

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Minutes earlier, down a corridor in another conference room, Terry Francona had been asked about Kluber’s back. “You know what? I think he’s fighting a lot,” Francona responded. “I think you have to respect the fact that guy wants to go out there and he’s our horse.”

Something was off with Kluber. Yankees GM Brian Cashman saw it, too.

At least we knew something was off with Stephen Strasburg before he started on Wednesday. As for Kluber, it seemed obvious that he wasn’t himself, but why? If the Indians had received a typical Kluber outing, they might very well be hosting the Astros in the ALCS on Friday

Something was off by the eye test — and the pitch-tracking metrics. Kluber’s velocity didn’t drop in the postseason, but his release point has changed.

The following is an updated visual graphic as one of our astute FanGraphs commenters noticed Kluber’s release points have been changing, including a dramatic move up during Wednesday’s start after the release point had been declining.

Of course, it wasn’t just Kluber who had a tough series. Other of Cleveland’s stars had down performances.

Francisco Lindor was 2-for-18 in the series, Jose Ramirez was 2-for-20, and Edwin Encarnacion was 0-for-7.

Sabermetics and Statistics 101 both caution us not to make too much of small samples. On the game’s most important stage, though, in its postseason, small samples are all that matter. And those small samples also come after the endurance test that is the regular season. It’s difficult to win against quality opposition if a club’s stars don’t perform in that setting.

And what’s interesting about Cleveland’s stars is that no team — at least, no playoff team — leaned more heavily upon their stars.

Of the 15 pitchers to reach 200 innings this season, the Indians had two, Kluber, and Carlos Carrasco. The Red Sox (Chris Sale and Rick Porcello) and the Nationals (Gio Gonzalez and Max Scherzer) also had two pitchers reach 200 innings among playoff teams.

What’s notable, though, is that Kluber reached the 200-inning threshold despite missing a month of the season. While he was excellent upon his return, he was also worked heavily.

From June 1 to Oct. 1, Kluber led baseball in innings pitched, with 166.1. The next closest mark? Justin Verlander’s 138.

In total pitches during that period Kluber also leads with 2,377, with Verlander second at 2,359.

While Kluber’s excellent September gave no indication that anything was wrong, or was going to be wrong, pitchers are fickle beasts. They’re fine until they’re not fine. He reached at least 110 pitches five times in August and September.

Indians reliever Bryan Shaw tied for the MLB lead with Peter Moylan with 79 appearances.

Among their position players, the Indians have three players who ranked among the top 25 in plate appearances. Lindor finished second in baseball with 723, Encarnacion finished 24th with 669, and Carlos Santana finished 25th with 667. Ramirez finished 42nd with 645 plate appearances.

By comparison, the Dodgers didn’t have a single player among the top 50. Corey Seager was the top-ranking Dodger with 613 plate appearances spread over 145 games. He missed several days in June with a hamstring ailment, but he avoided the DL. Among Dodger pitchers, only Clayton Kershaw threw more than 152 innings.

The Astros have only one player in the top 50 of plate appearances, Jose Altuve with 662. The Cubs had two — Anthony Rizzo and Kris Bryant — as did the Yankees with Brett Gardner (682, ranking 14th) and Aaron Judge (678, ranking 18th).

The Indians had the third-best (lowest) out-of-zone swing rate in the majors in 2017 (28.9%) and it ticked up in the ALDS (31.5%), so it’s not as though they totally abandoned their strengths. But did a season’s worth of wear and tear, of chasing history (a 22-game winning streak that ended in mid-September), and a No. 1 seed create some type of fatigue? It’s hard to know. And no one should have a better idea than a professional strength-and-conditioning staff.

Part of the heavy usage is because the Indians’ bench has been one of the thinnest areas on an otherwise outstanding team the last two seasons. That was complicated this year, too, Cleveland having dealt with injuries to position players like Michael Brantley, Lonnie Chisenhall, Brandon Guyer, and Bradley Zimmer.

The Indians sorely missed Guyer’s lefty-mashing ways Wednesday night.

In the eighth inning Wednesday, Franona elected to hit Jason Kipnis and Giovanny Urshela against Aroldis Chapman. Given the matchups, the Indians had little chance that inning, but the bench options were less than ideal: the lefty-batting Brantley and Chisenhall, back-up catcher Yan Gomes, reserve infielder Erik Gonzalez, or rookie Greg Allen.

The Indians played their stars in part because they had to, because they were thin, because they were chasing major-league history, and perhaps also for secondary considerations like individual accolades. Kluber, for example, earns significant bonus money for a Cy Young award.

The Indians also leaned upon their stars because their stars want to play.

I wrote about the heavy workloads several times for The Athletic this season. Said Lindor to this author in May:

“Tito [Francona] knows. He tries to give me off days,” Lindor said. “But there are times when I don’t feel like I need an off day. He’s awesome. He gives me the freedom to decide if not today, two days from now.”

Lindor and Ramirez had peaked during the win streak and had begun to cool entering October.

We’re in an age where there is a heightened focus on injury prevention and increased performance efficiency through better rest and nutrition practices.

When the NBA’s Golden State Warriors reduced their star’s playing time and their efficiency went up two years ago, some in the sporting world took notice. In the majors, the Dodgers have spread the burden of innings and plate appearances across a deep roster. If the Indians had been deeper, had been fresher, had learned on their stars less, would it have mattered? It’s hard to say. Ultimately, every team that enters the postseason has greater odds of returning home early than finishing as World Series champions. The Indians won 102 games. They did a lot of things well. It was one of the best campaigns in club history. But the postseason cares little for what a team did a month earlier.

Perhaps the Indians’ demise could have been delayed, perhaps they would still be playing if they were a little deeper, a little fresher, having not relied upon their stars so heavily.

What we do know is that we didn’t see the Indians at their best, at peak performance, in October. We saw that in September. And now a special regular season, including a record 22-game winning streak, is merely a historical footnote.





A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.

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villapalomaresMember since 2016
8 years ago

Can we give Didi Gregorious some credit? Yes, he got two hittable pitches, but he didn’t foul them off, or hit them for singles. He clobbered them.

schmeckle_freckle
8 years ago
Reply to  villapalomares

I mean, if Kluber was actually hurt, like…good job, Didi for homering off an injured player?

Dave TMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  villapalomares

You make a good point. It’s not like anything close to 100% – or even a majority – of bad pitches thrown to a hitter’s sweet spot end up as HR’s.

snapperMember since 2019
8 years ago

A really good team beat a slightly better team in a tight 5 game series. It’s going to happen 45% of the time. There are no unbeatable teams in the MLB playoffs.

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago
Reply to  snapper

or any other sport for that matter… nothing unique about MLB in that regard. Surprised I didn’t see anything about E5 missing games. I thought that was a major story. It was the only real injury of the series and it was a big one. It was a good series!

dl80Member since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

In the NBA, the better team wins probably 90% of the time in the postseason. I actually wish the better team in baseball won this often (or even 75%), but the sports are fundamentally different. There’s no way to make that happen even if we all wanted to.

Baron Samedi
8 years ago

It speaks to how detestable the Clevelands have become that a Yankees victory is the least bad outcome.

schmeckle_freckle
8 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

Think you’re in the extreme minority there, pal.

Baron Samedi
8 years ago

Because internet downvotes always tell the whole story.

victorvran
8 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

Oh, why is it that you think the Indians are detestable? To me, they’re a very fun team to watch.

schmeckle_freckle
8 years ago

I definitely got the impression something was off with Kluber over the last couple starts of the season. His outs seemed louder than usual, although his hard contact rate over that stretch doesn’t really support this observation (his game against Seattle was his fifth-worst start in terms of hard contact this season, but his final game against the White Sox was better than his season average in that regard).

mryashin
8 years ago

The White Sox are a very bad team right now. Kluber didn’t look very Kluberish in that game to me but the weakness of the opposition may have masked it.

thetireswings
8 years ago

If I’m mathing correctly, isn’t the difference between 5.34 and 5.25 feet, just 1 inch? Is that really considered significant as release point goes?

WARrior
8 years ago
Reply to  thetireswings

Good point. Just from eyeing the graph, it seems that his PS release spread is contained completely within his RS spread, it’s just that it’s contained within the bottom portion of the latter. During the RS he had release points apparently higher than any in the PS. Before I made much of that, I’d want to see an attempt at correlating release point with performance.

DKH
8 years ago
Reply to  WARrior

I think Mr. Sawchik has identified something worth looking into, but I’m not sure this brief analysis quite hits the target.

Here is Kluber’s slider vertical release point trend since returning from the DL:
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=446372&b_hand=-1&gFilt=&pFilt=SL&time=game&minmax=ci&var=z0&s_type=2&startDate=06/01/2017&endDate=01/01/2018

I’m not sure if it’s possible to filter the figure for home games, but every peak in July/August/September is at a non-Cleveland park – I’m pretty sure there are park-to-park differences in measurement that need to be corrected. I don’t know if that’s also true for the statcast data used above.

Anyway, Kluber does hit a minimum release point in his Game 2 start. The Game 5 start is a sharp increase in release point – not the decrease identified in the article. There is an increase in release point for his other pitches as well. Possibly some change was made and/or Kluber was compensating for something, and couldn’t get it right for Game 5.

DKH
8 years ago
Reply to  Travis Sawchik

Thanks for pointing us in an interesting direction.

Richie
8 years ago

Rather than innings, in 2017 AD can’t we go off of pitches thrown? I’m sure Kluber was high there, too, but it’s far and away the more relevant metric. (and soon, I trust that’ll be further break downable according to pitches thrown from the stretch)

Dave TMember since 2016
8 years ago

If Kluber was feeling less than 100%, it helps in retrospect to explain the decision to start Bauer in Game 1 and Kluber in Game 2. Seems like that’s especially the case if there was a reasonable hope that the extra day of rest would help Kluber feel better, but it turned out to be something more nagging than day-to-day.

Alternately, maybe Kluber just had a couple of rough starts against high-quality opposition. It happens.

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

Kkuber was pretty terrible. Those were more than rough starts! Its not like NYY hit a ton in that series outside of Kluber. It wasn’t the unstoppable force against the unmovable object or anything like that… The Yankees deserve credit for getting to Kluber, but he was bad.

The past two years, I have been surprised that CLE doesn’t try Salazar in long relief. 50% of the time he is unhittable – if he looks bad then just yank him.

James
8 years ago

Was thinking about this today. Indians didn’t have any star HITTERS – London and Ramirez are good, but more all-around good, and Encarnacion wasn’t quite what he was in Toronto which is to be expected.

Now, plenty of teams have been good without star hitters. But those teams were also deep 1-9 (or at least 7 or 8). But the Indians, in an elimination game, featured a lineup w/ Austin Jackson, Urshela and Hernandez. I think this off-season the Indians need either a) a star hitter or b) some better offensive depth.

schmeckle_freckle
8 years ago
Reply to  James

Hopefully this depth comes in the form of a healthy Brantley, Kipnis and Chisenhall.

szakylMember since 2024
8 years ago

Offensive depth will also hopefully come from the young guys, a healthy Zimmer and Diaz who should continue to grow in their second year and Mejia who’s been an offensive force in the minors
Taking free agent signings out of the equation, this may or may not be enough to balance the impending loss of Santana (and Bruce).

schmeckle_freckle
8 years ago
Reply to  James

Also, Jackson was good offensively this year, albeit with an unsustainably high BABIP

dl80Member since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  James

Ramirez was 8th in baseball in wRC+ among all qualified hitters. If he wasn’t a star this year, only Mike Trout, Jose Altuve, and Aaron Judge are.

Encarnacion was 27th, so a very good hitter, but maybe not an excellent one or a “star.” Beyond them, Lindor was 49th, Santana was 55th, and no one else was anywhere close.

So one legitimate star and a very good hitter, with 2 more good ones (depending on how you want to count Lindor and Santana). Everyone else was below average or a part-time player.

It seems mostly random that they went into a funk together, though maybe they were tired as Travis conjectured.

Jackson and Chisenhall hit really well in part-time roles, but you probably can’t expect that to continue (if they even re-sign Jackson).

You can probably expect at least some bounce-back from Kipnis and another decent half-season from Brantley.

At 25 and with mediocre strike-zone judgement in the minors, I think Zimmer’s offensive ceiling is limited, though he is very good on defense.

Their catching situation is below average to average when you factor in defense.

There really isn’t a lot of places to get extra offense next year, but they don’t need it. They are good enough on offense and have very good pitching still, though they could continue to cultivate depth there. They just need to make the playoffs as often as possible to maximize their bites at the apple.

EDIT: I forgot about Mejia. He could help them offensively for sure, depending on the growing pains.

Kibber
8 years ago

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Captain Tenneal
8 years ago
Reply to  Kibber

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Kibber
8 years ago

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alpha309
8 years ago

While Kluber looked like he had hit the wall, shouldn’t the hitters be looked at as a very small sample size against really good pitchers? I mean 20 AB is nothing,

Slider
8 years ago

The tribe relied too heavily on their core players,but I disagree that they were thin with bench/pitching depth. I think Yandy and Gonzalez are above replacement level infielders and they had maybe 6-7 outfielders who could’ve started for other teams.

Pitching wise, Allen and Shaw have seen way too many appearances the last few years. McAllister, Otero, and Goody all had good years, but were rarely used outside of games that were already decided and Kluber/carrasco routinely threw over 100 pitches in blowouts. IDK, maybe I’m just a salty tribe fan playing captain hindsight,but I hope Tito learns something from how the Dodgers handled their roster.

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago

Isn’t this just armchair quarterbacking? Reality already happened – you are just transposing stats over the top of what is already known. I don’t think this amounts to any more than second guessing Francona the day after the season ends. Are you implying that the team was mismanaged? If you wrote this before the game, I would have been quite impressed! You wrote this article after everybody already knows the facts and the game was over. I am wondering what the value is supposed to be. This would have been relevant if you were using it to predict the future, but its not. What is the value of the analysis after the facts in this case? You literally have a world of stats, you can tell whatever story you want with all of those numbers. What use is telling the one everyone already knows? Aren’t stats supposed to help make better decisions? I don’t know that they are supposed to do more than that. If CLE won and Kluber won the game, I have a feeling this analysis would not even exist. When a team loses, guys are tired. When a guy raises his arm slot and loses its the arm slot. I am not saying that Kluber is not hurt, he appears to be, but pointing it out after the fact, following his own admission is just piling on.

TakiarMember since 2020
8 years ago

Deep rosters are where the rich teams really are better. They can afford to pay millions to utility fielders and a 5th reliever. Small market/budget teams can field top talent in the right conditions, but they can’t buy a bench to go along with it. Look at Pittsburgh. The Royals. Always the same. These teams can’t afford to rest their stars, since their replacements are not level to those of deep-pocketed teams like the Dodgers.

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago
Reply to  Takiar

That sounds like it would be true, but I don’t think it really plays out like that. I think it seems like the small market teams are often deeper – not in the bullpen, but with bench guys. Look at the Royals of a few years back or the Twins of this year. The problem is that you can’t pay guys that need to start enough money to make them happy with being a bench guy. Its not like the Yankees have depth… team depth is about managing over the course of the season. You have to keep more than 8 players involved and find a real role for them. If you can, then you will have depth. Its actually the opposite of a superstar lineup. I think the optimal bench is some speed/defense guys and a few left/righty mashers. Those players do grow on trees, but finding a way to keep them consistently involved is the trick.

Kibber
8 years ago

ask Nikola Tesla what was wrong with the team
we need to rename this game – Ritual Ball is much more apt unfortunately

chup anh cuoi
8 years ago

While Kluber looked like he had hit the wall, shouldn’t the hitters be looked at as a very small sample size against really good pitchers? I mean 20 AB is nothing,