Steven Wright as a Joe Kelly Alternative

Today, Joe Kelly took the mound in Ft. Myers, and it didn’t go well; he gave up seven hits in 2 2/3 innings before leaving with an injury currently being called biceps tightness

Today’s performance continued a trend from his two previous spring training starts, as he’s now allowed 17 hits in 7 2/3 innings this spring; his spring training ERA currently stands at 11.05. On their own, the results aren’t a big deal, but when you combine it with a potential injury, it might be fair to say that Kelly’s spot could be up for grabs at this point.

Of course, any time the Red Sox rotation is mentioned, people will invariably bring up Cole Hamels, but Boston continues to seem uninterested in meeting the Phillies price, and they do have some interesting alternatives in-house. While youngsters Henry Owens and Eduardo Rodriguez are the two best long-term prospects and might be ready for an audition, John Farrell has made sure the beat writers keep Steven Wright’s name in the picture as well. Per Alex Speier, from this morning:

The Sox would not be opposed to adding a veteran starter to their Triple A rotation. But Farrell again expressed confidence in Steven Wright as a depth starter. “He gives us a lot of comfort. As that knuckleball has come along, he’s throwing a lot more strikes,” Farrell said. “He’s got the ability to give a contrast of style.”

Projecting the performance of knuckleballers is not quite impossible, but is something kind of close to it. Wright could be very good — as he was in a September trial last year — or he could be terrible, with pretty much any result in between seemingly equally likely. Knuckleballers are lottery tickets, especially ones with spotty track records and iffy command. Dickey’s success came after he cut his walk rate in half, which Wright appears to have done in Triple-A last year, but we essentially have half a minor league season and a month of big league action where Wright showed a consistent ability to throw strikes. If he’s not throwing strikes, he’s not any good, and it’s not a big surprise that the Red Sox wouldn’t want to count on his 2014 command improvement carrying over when trying to win in 2015.

But there are a couple of reasons why I think it might make sense for the Red Sox to give Wright a shot, especially if Kelly needs replacing on the Opening Day roster: his Z-Contact% and the knuckleball carryover effect.

We’ll start with former. While Wright’s big league career data includes just 590 pitches to 145 batters and all the results need to be taken with large grains of salt, Z-Contact% is one of the metrics that tends to stabilize fairly quickly , and can serve as a pretty decent proxy for quality of stuff. If you’re throwing pitches in the zone that guys still can’t hit, you’re doing at least one thing right.

Over the last three years, the starting pitcher with the lowest Z-Contact%: Max Scherzer, at 80.5%. Right behind him, at 80.6%? R.A. Dickey. No other qualified starting pitcher is under 83.5%, so these two are the extreme tail for in-zone contact allowed by a guy who has taken the hill every five days of late.

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Steven Wright — again, in 34 career innings, and most of those coming out of the bullpen, so caveat emptor — has allowed an 80.0% Z-Contact% in the big leagues. If you change the filters to include all pitchers who have thrown 30+ innings over the last two seasons so that Wright can appear on the leaderboards, he has the 25th lowest Z-Contact% of any pitcher in the majors over the last two years; 25th out 562 pitchers. The guys ahead of him are almost all flame-throwing relievers who just blow away opponents with 100 mph gas. Of course, there are some mediocre names on the list as well, as the presence of Michael Kohn, Burch Smith, and Josh Outman should be a reminder that a low Z-Contact% doesn’t automatically correlate to big league dominance, but guys who can post Z-Contact rates this low are generally pretty good.

So, that’s one very small sample data point in Wright’s favor. It’s something to at least make him a little more interesting than just some random knuckleballer. But even without that, random knuckleballers maybe deserve a little more of a shot than they often get, because there is some evidence that guys who give that kind of “contrast in style” actually do elevate the performance of their teammates.

A little over a year ago, Chris Carruthers published a Community Blog post here looking at the results of pitchers who pitched in relief of R.A. Dickey, and the starters who followed him in the rotation and pitched the next day. The results were pretty stunning, especially when it came to the same-game relievers, as they experienced huge improvements in their performances when relieving Dickey as opposed to relieving other pitchers.

RA-Dickey-effect

He also applied this same analysis to pitchers following Tim Wakefield, and again found a strong uptick in performance when pitching behind a knuckleballer. There appears to be some real evidence that adjusting to these contrasting styles can have a negative impact on the opposing hitters, and if you follow a knuckleball starter with some flame-throwing relievers, the combination might perform better than their individual projections would suggest.

So, even if Wright himself isn’t great, it’s possible that a lingering effect of his style of pitching could lead to reasonable run prevention outings from all pitchers on days he starts. He can’t be horrible, of course, but a mediocre Wright plus some bump to his relievers could potentially be as effective as a decent fifth starter with normal reliever support. And given that Wright has at least one indicator suggesting that he might be a reasonable-ish big league pitcher, giving him a shot seems like a potentially reasonable option for the Red Sox.

Or, if they wanted to get particularly outside of the box, perhaps the Red Sox could use a tandem combination of Wright and either Owens or Rodriguez, both of whom are high velocity left-handers. By using both for three to four innings at a time, the team could limit their exposure to big league hitters early in their careers and manage the workloads of the young arms while still allowing them to gain big league experience. There’s a downside to using two roster spots for one starting job, but as a temporary solution while the team tries to evaluate what they have in Wright, it might not be a crazy experiment.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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heh
11 years ago

#instantcomforttosoxfansgraphs

Yirmiyahu
11 years ago
Reply to  heh

There’s really only one way to know what you have with a knuckleballer: give him an extended look and see if he can fool MLB hitters. You’re never gonna know based on minor league stats (or a 34-inning MLB sample).

The Red Sox traded away 4/5ths of their opening day rotation by the July trade deadline. For the rest of the season, their starters consisted of Joe Kelly (4.20 ERA), Rubby de la Rosa (4.43 ERA), Anthony Ranaudo (4.81 ERA), Allen Webster (5.03 ERA), Brandon Workman (5.17 ERA), and Clay Buchholz (5.34 ERA). The Sox were just playing out the string. It wasn’t a hard rotation to crack into.

Wright’s 30 years old. He’s been a knuckleballer since 2011, came to the Red Sox during the 2012 season, and has been on the Red Sox 40-man roster since November 2012. He’s actually been good the last 3 seasons, which he’s mostly spent in AAA. Last year, in addition to his typical 3.42 ERA and 17.8% K rate, he finally got his walk rate under control, dropping it from a 11%+ to 5.7%.

So sounds like a great opportunity to throw him in the rotation for a while. But, the Sox only saw fit to give Wright 1 start in 2014 (during the last series of the year). If their plan was to ever give him a real shot– anything more than an occasional spot start or September mop-up relief work, they would have done it last year. But he was a distant 11th on their SP depth chart.

philllies113
11 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

The issue is signing YOAN MONCADA

Yoan Moncada is the only issue to be concerned with for any Phillies fan or any writer who covers the Phillies.

Where are the articles about Yoan Moncada?

Why has there been ZERO articles written about Yoan Moncada at this site?

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@johnmiddleton

He’s on Twitter.

This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.

This is your idea of “hope”?

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JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.

Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud

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Paul
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

For a post like this, it doesn’t even matter if this is Free_AEC or an impostor. Immediate downvote.

Amaro
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

Even I know theres not 3 L’s in Phillies.

Emcee Peepants
11 years ago

I also hear that he went to a restaurant that serves ‘breakfast at any time’. So he ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.

Malcolm-Jamal Hegyes
11 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

I peed my pants.

david k
11 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

Damn you stole my idea

Bucky Goldstein
11 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

I’d imagine Steven Wright has a Steven Wright jersey, as I’ve never seen him without his Boston Red Sox hat.

What’s another word for ‘thesaurus’?

Evan Fangoria
11 years ago

I didn’t have much money, so I had to buy an irregular phone. It didn’t have a number 5 on it.

philllies113
11 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

YOAN MONCADA

YOAN MONCADA

YOAN MONCADA

The rebuild is STALLED
until
JOHN MIDDLETON

PAYS
YOAN MONCADA

Where’s OUR money?

Comcast gave John Middleton $6 Billion to buy players like
YOAN MONCADA
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@johnmiddleton

He’s on Twitter.

This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.

This is your idea of “hope”?

_

JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.

Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud

_

Eric M. Van
11 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

I just checked his stats here, and they had all been replaced by exact duplicates.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

Ah, beaten to the punch but I’ll do it anyway:

I have a pony.

Dillon
11 years ago

The Wright-Owens, Wright-Rodriguez suggestion is golden.

philllies113
11 years ago
Reply to  Dillon

What, you’re not juiced to read the 40th article in the last 30 days about Ryan Howard?

You were expecting a profile about 19 year old phenom
YOAN MONCADA?

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@johnmiddleton

He’s on Twitter.

This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the
audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year
run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.

This is your idea of “hope”?

_

JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.

Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud

_

Caveman Jones
11 years ago

I don’t think Owens is a high velocity pitcher, probably league average. He’s also not on the 40 man yet so I don’t think he’s a candidate. Even if the Sox genuinely thought that a Wright-Rodriguez tandem was the best way to go, I don’t think they’d use Rodriguez that way. They tend to keep their best pitching prospects as starters in AAA as starters and only call them up to start.

philllies113
11 years ago
Reply to  Caveman Jones

What about ALBERT PUJOLS?

Pujols and Howard were marching together toward free agency in the same winter.

Everyone here would have wanted Pujols.

34 YEARS

JIM THOME and CLIFF LEE

That’s it.

That’s a boycott of the open markets.

That is “The Phillies Way”
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@johnmiddleton

He’s on Twitter.

This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the
audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year
run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.

This is your idea of “hope”?

_

JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.

Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud

_

Bad Bill
11 years ago

Nothing against Wright, but I hope for the sake of Sox fans that this is all unnecessary and Kelly is able to go. He may be only an average starting pitcher, but he’s a wonderful character and his interviews are worth the price of admission.

philllies113
11 years ago
Reply to  Bad Bill

I wouldn’t care if no MLB team spent over the limit (there is no cap).

The Dodgers have the highest payroll, not the Yankees.

The Phillies BOYCOTT the open markets.

What don’t you understand about that FACT?

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@johnmiddleton

He’s on Twitter.

This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.

This is your idea of “hope”?

_

JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.

Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud

_

E_baseball_LI5
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

The Phillies had the 3rd highest payroll in 2014. Maybe you and I have different definition for “looter”.

Also, if the objective is to make as much money as possible, wouldn’t it make more sense to have a successful franchise? Bleeding your team dry is killing the golden egg laying goose.

Well-Beered Englishman
11 years ago

I just got back from a weeklong holiday and am catching up on missed FanGraphs posts. We lost both Yu Darvish AND Marcus Stroman for a year? Rage. What I’m feeling is rage.

If anyone knows where the baseball gods are, I’d like to go Liam Neeson on their arses.

Matthew
11 years ago

And Zach Wheeler 🙁

philllies113
11 years ago

They’re not destroying anything except attendance at CBP.

John Middleton never shows up at CBP so why would he care if anyone else does?

Just slash the payroll to nothing while the “REBUILDING” sign twists in the breeze.

FELONY FRAUD

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@johnmiddleton

He’s on Twitter.

This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.

This is your idea of “hope”?

_

JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.

Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud

_

Well-Beered Englishman
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

And I guess you got banned and created a new account.

chuckb
11 years ago

His schtick is so old and tired that it’s even boring giving him a down vote.

grant
11 years ago

Related to this, Dickey’s contributions are undervalued by WAR and by projection systems.

philllies113
11 years ago
Reply to  grant

1) Will the Phillies sign YOAN MONCADA?

2) Will anyone at this site ever produce a profile article about Yoan Moncada?

3) Will John Middleton ever use the Phillies immense wealth as the Yankees and Dodgers do?

Quick answers:

NO

NO

NO

FELONY FRAUD

_

@johnmiddleton

He’s on Twitter.

This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.

This is your idea of “hope”?

_

JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.

Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud

_

Bonus Wagner
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

Will you ever STFU?

CrazyPants
11 years ago

Dillon Gee!

philllies113
11 years ago
Reply to  CrazyPants

Swihart has NO POWER. This jumped out at me.

Swihart is a singles hitter. Betts and Devers are both worth a lot more than
Swihart. This whole Swihart thing is a SCAM. The prospect writers and MLB
columnists are wink-wink pushing Swihart as some kind of star talent.

Every one of them knows Rafael Devers is the Red Sox most talented bat, a
Robbie Cano clone who may have MORE power than Cano.

It will take Swihart three seasons to total the HR Devers hits in one year. Devers
is a .300 hitter in MLB too, a superstar.

Geezergeek
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

I think Devers reminds me more of a young Miguel Cabrera

John
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

I really hope you’re right about devers despite you’re weak attempts at trolling about swihart.

grant
11 years ago

Maybe instead of “I’m not a robot” the screening function should have something that says “I’m not Phillies113”

LHPSU
11 years ago
Reply to  grant

Did this idiot’s other screename get banned?

philllies113
11 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

If the Red Sox position prospects are such studs, why did they spend $350 million for Hanley Ramirez, Pablo Sandoval, Rusney Castillo and Yoan Moncada?

Steven
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

Phillies’ fans already have to deal with Ruben Amaro; it’s not fair that they also have to deal with you.

Geezergeek
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

Because they can and do.

John Elway
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

Hay, as a stud and an expert on spending my owner’s money, I can only say one thing.

You’re full of crap.

And you shouldn’t be impersonating someone else, especially a legit commenter. Kinda like Tebow impersonating a quarterback.

Just neighing.

Dogfish Pride, Bro
11 years ago
Reply to  philllies113

The all caps didn’t do it for me. But bold type? I’m all ears!

Phillies113
11 years ago
Reply to  grant

Hope not, but then I’m biased.

PJ
11 years ago

Making sweeping judgements based off 34 big league IPs just to say that it doesn’t matter anyway since he would be a rarely depended upon 5th starter. And why exactly would you waste young valuable starting caliber arms out of the bullpen to clean up the mess of another guy? Man, Fangraphs has really gone downhill.

pft
11 years ago

When is the earliest date Moncada could be traded. If June 15th then how about a Moncada – Hamels deal. It would be like a cash deal (63 million) for Hamels. If not till next year, never mind

Phillies113
11 years ago
Reply to  pft

There is absolutely no chance that happens. I don’t think Boston stops themselves from bursting out laughing before hanging up the phone.

glenstein
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

I… agree with Phillies113? Is this real life?

JacobM
11 years ago

It’s oddly appropriate that Steven Wright is a knuckleballer.

everdiso
11 years ago

Career as SP:

Kelly (27): 48gs, 5.7ip/gs, 5.6k/9, 3.5bb/9, .283babip, 3.44era, 4.19fip, 4.23xfip, 4.43siera, 1.8war, 1.3war/200ip
Workman (26): 18gs, 5.5ip/gs, 7.4k/9, 3.5bb/9, .297babip, 4.82era, 4.14fip, 4.14xfip, 4.23siera, 1.3war, 2.6war/200ip

As RP:

Kelly (27): 52.2ip, 8.4k/9, 3.4bb/9, .331babip, 3.25era, 3.71fip, 3.69xfip, 0.1war, 3.19siera, 0.1war/65ip
Workman (26): 29.2ip, 10.9k/9, 3.6bb/9, .363babip, 6.07era, 4.04fip, 2.84xfip, 0.1war, 2.82siera, 0.2war/65ip

AAA

Kelly (24-26): 82.2ip, 5.3k/9, 2.9bb/9, .310babip, 2.83era, 4.08fip
Workman (24-25): 96.2ip, 8.3k/9, 2.8bb/9, .313babip, 3.63era, 4.61fip

Shouldn’t fangraphs be telling us that these two are virtually the same, minus some babip luck and run environment differences, and that workman is the obvious replacement?

and shouldn’t The Deepest Team That Ever Was have better options than these and Wright as their #5? especially when a broken masterson is the #4?

or are we still trying to justify that horrawful Lackey trade?

John
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

Its as if baseball isn’t just numbers?!?!?!?! Joe Kelly is not the same pitcher as workman because he throws better pitches than workman. The better results might not be there but the potential for them is. And wright was just a potential suggestion, basically anyone from the AAA rotation could be an option.

james wilson
11 years ago
Reply to  John

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Kelly has a live arm, Workman does not. Workman looks like a guy who is throwing a heavy rock.

K
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

A said little man with a sad little obsession.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  K

just a bemused guy wondering how a last place team with no projected impact players, whose vaunted depth is a bunch of guys with zero track record along with a number of reclamation projects making up half the roster, is being treated like title faves, is all.

tommy
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

They might hit enough to win the division, but the consensus seems to be that their rotation is a giant question mark. Not sure where the “vaunted depth” bit comes from.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

guys, this obviously isn’t me, my flaterring little follower’s shtick is starting to wear off and he’s making himself far too obvious

everyone who knows everdiso brand analysis knows that I am level headed and thoughtful, and everdiso @ 10:49 is just a shill who is mindlessly regurgitating nonsense

that said he’s not completely wrong. if you define 4.5 war as impact player then the red sox had exactly 0 impact players last year. and reclamation projects like Hanley, Sandoval, and Bogaerts aren’t going to change the tide

Shawnuel
11 years ago

Steven Wright bought some instant water…….. but didn’t know what to add to it.

Bucky Goldstein
11 years ago
Reply to  Shawnuel

All his baseball gear was stolen and replaced with an exact replica.

Nick
11 years ago

“just a bemused guy wondering how a last place team with no projected impact players”

lol, classic everdiso spin. If we’re basing things on projections, they’re a first place team you dolt.

Just sit back and enjoy the third straight decade of Blue Jay irrelevance and leave the grown up talk to the rest of us.

LukeNalooshe
11 years ago
Reply to  Nick

It sucks as a Blue Jay fan to read Fangraphs and see him troll.

tz
11 years ago
Reply to  LukeNalooshe

Must be like Phillies113 seeing FreeACC trolling. Or whoever it is that was impersonating him above.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  LukeNalooshe

you guys are so mean.