Steven Wright as a Joe Kelly Alternative
Today, Joe Kelly took the mound in Ft. Myers, and it didn’t go well; he gave up seven hits in 2 2/3 innings before leaving with an injury currently being called biceps tightness
Kelly said he had biceps tightness that limited him to fastballs; 'not concerned.' Says he's had it before. 'Usually doesn't last too long'
— Alex Speier (@alexspeier) March 16, 2015
Today’s performance continued a trend from his two previous spring training starts, as he’s now allowed 17 hits in 7 2/3 innings this spring; his spring training ERA currently stands at 11.05. On their own, the results aren’t a big deal, but when you combine it with a potential injury, it might be fair to say that Kelly’s spot could be up for grabs at this point.
Of course, any time the Red Sox rotation is mentioned, people will invariably bring up Cole Hamels, but Boston continues to seem uninterested in meeting the Phillies price, and they do have some interesting alternatives in-house. While youngsters Henry Owens and Eduardo Rodriguez are the two best long-term prospects and might be ready for an audition, John Farrell has made sure the beat writers keep Steven Wright’s name in the picture as well. Per Alex Speier, from this morning:
The Sox would not be opposed to adding a veteran starter to their Triple A rotation. But Farrell again expressed confidence in Steven Wright as a depth starter. “He gives us a lot of comfort. As that knuckleball has come along, he’s throwing a lot more strikes,” Farrell said. “He’s got the ability to give a contrast of style.”
Projecting the performance of knuckleballers is not quite impossible, but is something kind of close to it. Wright could be very good — as he was in a September trial last year — or he could be terrible, with pretty much any result in between seemingly equally likely. Knuckleballers are lottery tickets, especially ones with spotty track records and iffy command. Dickey’s success came after he cut his walk rate in half, which Wright appears to have done in Triple-A last year, but we essentially have half a minor league season and a month of big league action where Wright showed a consistent ability to throw strikes. If he’s not throwing strikes, he’s not any good, and it’s not a big surprise that the Red Sox wouldn’t want to count on his 2014 command improvement carrying over when trying to win in 2015.
But there are a couple of reasons why I think it might make sense for the Red Sox to give Wright a shot, especially if Kelly needs replacing on the Opening Day roster: his Z-Contact% and the knuckleball carryover effect.
We’ll start with former. While Wright’s big league career data includes just 590 pitches to 145 batters and all the results need to be taken with large grains of salt, Z-Contact% is one of the metrics that tends to stabilize fairly quickly , and can serve as a pretty decent proxy for quality of stuff. If you’re throwing pitches in the zone that guys still can’t hit, you’re doing at least one thing right.
Over the last three years, the starting pitcher with the lowest Z-Contact%: Max Scherzer, at 80.5%. Right behind him, at 80.6%? R.A. Dickey. No other qualified starting pitcher is under 83.5%, so these two are the extreme tail for in-zone contact allowed by a guy who has taken the hill every five days of late.
Steven Wright — again, in 34 career innings, and most of those coming out of the bullpen, so caveat emptor — has allowed an 80.0% Z-Contact% in the big leagues. If you change the filters to include all pitchers who have thrown 30+ innings over the last two seasons so that Wright can appear on the leaderboards, he has the 25th lowest Z-Contact% of any pitcher in the majors over the last two years; 25th out 562 pitchers. The guys ahead of him are almost all flame-throwing relievers who just blow away opponents with 100 mph gas. Of course, there are some mediocre names on the list as well, as the presence of Michael Kohn, Burch Smith, and Josh Outman should be a reminder that a low Z-Contact% doesn’t automatically correlate to big league dominance, but guys who can post Z-Contact rates this low are generally pretty good.
So, that’s one very small sample data point in Wright’s favor. It’s something to at least make him a little more interesting than just some random knuckleballer. But even without that, random knuckleballers maybe deserve a little more of a shot than they often get, because there is some evidence that guys who give that kind of “contrast in style” actually do elevate the performance of their teammates.
A little over a year ago, Chris Carruthers published a Community Blog post here looking at the results of pitchers who pitched in relief of R.A. Dickey, and the starters who followed him in the rotation and pitched the next day. The results were pretty stunning, especially when it came to the same-game relievers, as they experienced huge improvements in their performances when relieving Dickey as opposed to relieving other pitchers.
He also applied this same analysis to pitchers following Tim Wakefield, and again found a strong uptick in performance when pitching behind a knuckleballer. There appears to be some real evidence that adjusting to these contrasting styles can have a negative impact on the opposing hitters, and if you follow a knuckleball starter with some flame-throwing relievers, the combination might perform better than their individual projections would suggest.
So, even if Wright himself isn’t great, it’s possible that a lingering effect of his style of pitching could lead to reasonable run prevention outings from all pitchers on days he starts. He can’t be horrible, of course, but a mediocre Wright plus some bump to his relievers could potentially be as effective as a decent fifth starter with normal reliever support. And given that Wright has at least one indicator suggesting that he might be a reasonable-ish big league pitcher, giving him a shot seems like a potentially reasonable option for the Red Sox.
Or, if they wanted to get particularly outside of the box, perhaps the Red Sox could use a tandem combination of Wright and either Owens or Rodriguez, both of whom are high velocity left-handers. By using both for three to four innings at a time, the team could limit their exposure to big league hitters early in their careers and manage the workloads of the young arms while still allowing them to gain big league experience. There’s a downside to using two roster spots for one starting job, but as a temporary solution while the team tries to evaluate what they have in Wright, it might not be a crazy experiment.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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There’s really only one way to know what you have with a knuckleballer: give him an extended look and see if he can fool MLB hitters. You’re never gonna know based on minor league stats (or a 34-inning MLB sample).
The Red Sox traded away 4/5ths of their opening day rotation by the July trade deadline. For the rest of the season, their starters consisted of Joe Kelly (4.20 ERA), Rubby de la Rosa (4.43 ERA), Anthony Ranaudo (4.81 ERA), Allen Webster (5.03 ERA), Brandon Workman (5.17 ERA), and Clay Buchholz (5.34 ERA). The Sox were just playing out the string. It wasn’t a hard rotation to crack into.
Wright’s 30 years old. He’s been a knuckleballer since 2011, came to the Red Sox during the 2012 season, and has been on the Red Sox 40-man roster since November 2012. He’s actually been good the last 3 seasons, which he’s mostly spent in AAA. Last year, in addition to his typical 3.42 ERA and 17.8% K rate, he finally got his walk rate under control, dropping it from a 11%+ to 5.7%.
So sounds like a great opportunity to throw him in the rotation for a while. But, the Sox only saw fit to give Wright 1 start in 2014 (during the last series of the year). If their plan was to ever give him a real shot– anything more than an occasional spot start or September mop-up relief work, they would have done it last year. But he was a distant 11th on their SP depth chart.
The issue is signing YOAN MONCADA
Yoan Moncada is the only issue to be concerned with for any Phillies fan or any writer who covers the Phillies.
Where are the articles about Yoan Moncada?
Why has there been ZERO articles written about Yoan Moncada at this site?
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@johnmiddleton
He’s on Twitter.
This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.
This is your idea of “hope”?
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JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.
Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud
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For a post like this, it doesn’t even matter if this is Free_AEC or an impostor. Immediate downvote.
Even I know theres not 3 L’s in Phillies.
I also hear that he went to a restaurant that serves ‘breakfast at any time’. So he ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.
I peed my pants.
Damn you stole my idea
I’d imagine Steven Wright has a Steven Wright jersey, as I’ve never seen him without his Boston Red Sox hat.
What’s another word for ‘thesaurus’?
I didn’t have much money, so I had to buy an irregular phone. It didn’t have a number 5 on it.
YOAN MONCADA
YOAN MONCADA
YOAN MONCADA
The rebuild is STALLED
until
JOHN MIDDLETON
PAYS
YOAN MONCADA
Where’s OUR money?
Comcast gave John Middleton $6 Billion to buy players like
YOAN MONCADA
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@johnmiddleton
He’s on Twitter.
This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.
This is your idea of “hope”?
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JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.
Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud
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I just checked his stats here, and they had all been replaced by exact duplicates.
Ah, beaten to the punch but I’ll do it anyway:
I have a pony.
The Wright-Owens, Wright-Rodriguez suggestion is golden.
What, you’re not juiced to read the 40th article in the last 30 days about Ryan Howard?
You were expecting a profile about 19 year old phenom
YOAN MONCADA?
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@johnmiddleton
He’s on Twitter.
This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the
audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year
run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.
This is your idea of “hope”?
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JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.
Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud
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I don’t think Owens is a high velocity pitcher, probably league average. He’s also not on the 40 man yet so I don’t think he’s a candidate. Even if the Sox genuinely thought that a Wright-Rodriguez tandem was the best way to go, I don’t think they’d use Rodriguez that way. They tend to keep their best pitching prospects as starters in AAA as starters and only call them up to start.
What about ALBERT PUJOLS?
Pujols and Howard were marching together toward free agency in the same winter.
Everyone here would have wanted Pujols.
34 YEARS
JIM THOME and CLIFF LEE
That’s it.
That’s a boycott of the open markets.
That is “The Phillies Way”
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@johnmiddleton
He’s on Twitter.
This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the
audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year
run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.
This is your idea of “hope”?
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JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.
Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud
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Nothing against Wright, but I hope for the sake of Sox fans that this is all unnecessary and Kelly is able to go. He may be only an average starting pitcher, but he’s a wonderful character and his interviews are worth the price of admission.
I wouldn’t care if no MLB team spent over the limit (there is no cap).
The Dodgers have the highest payroll, not the Yankees.
The Phillies BOYCOTT the open markets.
What don’t you understand about that FACT?
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@johnmiddleton
He’s on Twitter.
This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.
This is your idea of “hope”?
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JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.
Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud
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The Phillies had the 3rd highest payroll in 2014. Maybe you and I have different definition for “looter”.
Also, if the objective is to make as much money as possible, wouldn’t it make more sense to have a successful franchise? Bleeding your team dry is killing the golden egg laying goose.
I just got back from a weeklong holiday and am catching up on missed FanGraphs posts. We lost both Yu Darvish AND Marcus Stroman for a year? Rage. What I’m feeling is rage.
If anyone knows where the baseball gods are, I’d like to go Liam Neeson on their arses.
And Zach Wheeler 🙁
They’re not destroying anything except attendance at CBP.
John Middleton never shows up at CBP so why would he care if anyone else does?
Just slash the payroll to nothing while the “REBUILDING” sign twists in the breeze.
FELONY FRAUD
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@johnmiddleton
He’s on Twitter.
This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.
This is your idea of “hope”?
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JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.
Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud
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And I guess you got banned and created a new account.
His schtick is so old and tired that it’s even boring giving him a down vote.
Related to this, Dickey’s contributions are undervalued by WAR and by projection systems.
1) Will the Phillies sign YOAN MONCADA?
2) Will anyone at this site ever produce a profile article about Yoan Moncada?
3) Will John Middleton ever use the Phillies immense wealth as the Yankees and Dodgers do?
Quick answers:
NO
NO
NO
FELONY FRAUD
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@johnmiddleton
He’s on Twitter.
This thief and son of a thief called boycotters “disloyal” and had the audacity to tell us over his Twitter account that the Phillies five year run was equal to the Braves 13 year division dominance and we are being ungrateful for what we have been given.
This is your idea of “hope”?
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JOHN MIDDLETON is a LOOTER.
Highlight and Google: John Powers Middleton Felony Fraud
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Will you ever STFU?
Dillon Gee!
Swihart has NO POWER. This jumped out at me.
Swihart is a singles hitter. Betts and Devers are both worth a lot more than
Swihart. This whole Swihart thing is a SCAM. The prospect writers and MLB
columnists are wink-wink pushing Swihart as some kind of star talent.
Every one of them knows Rafael Devers is the Red Sox most talented bat, a
Robbie Cano clone who may have MORE power than Cano.
It will take Swihart three seasons to total the HR Devers hits in one year. Devers
is a .300 hitter in MLB too, a superstar.
I think Devers reminds me more of a young Miguel Cabrera
I really hope you’re right about devers despite you’re weak attempts at trolling about swihart.
Maybe instead of “I’m not a robot” the screening function should have something that says “I’m not Phillies113”
Did this idiot’s other screename get banned?
If the Red Sox position prospects are such studs, why did they spend $350 million for Hanley Ramirez, Pablo Sandoval, Rusney Castillo and Yoan Moncada?
Phillies’ fans already have to deal with Ruben Amaro; it’s not fair that they also have to deal with you.
Because they can and do.
Hay, as a stud and an expert on spending my owner’s money, I can only say one thing.
You’re full of crap.
And you shouldn’t be impersonating someone else, especially a legit commenter. Kinda like Tebow impersonating a quarterback.
Just neighing.
The all caps didn’t do it for me. But bold type? I’m all ears!
Hope not, but then I’m biased.
Making sweeping judgements based off 34 big league IPs just to say that it doesn’t matter anyway since he would be a rarely depended upon 5th starter. And why exactly would you waste young valuable starting caliber arms out of the bullpen to clean up the mess of another guy? Man, Fangraphs has really gone downhill.
When is the earliest date Moncada could be traded. If June 15th then how about a Moncada – Hamels deal. It would be like a cash deal (63 million) for Hamels. If not till next year, never mind
There is absolutely no chance that happens. I don’t think Boston stops themselves from bursting out laughing before hanging up the phone.
I… agree with Phillies113? Is this real life?
It’s oddly appropriate that Steven Wright is a knuckleballer.
Career as SP:
Kelly (27): 48gs, 5.7ip/gs, 5.6k/9, 3.5bb/9, .283babip, 3.44era, 4.19fip, 4.23xfip, 4.43siera, 1.8war, 1.3war/200ip
Workman (26): 18gs, 5.5ip/gs, 7.4k/9, 3.5bb/9, .297babip, 4.82era, 4.14fip, 4.14xfip, 4.23siera, 1.3war, 2.6war/200ip
As RP:
Kelly (27): 52.2ip, 8.4k/9, 3.4bb/9, .331babip, 3.25era, 3.71fip, 3.69xfip, 0.1war, 3.19siera, 0.1war/65ip
Workman (26): 29.2ip, 10.9k/9, 3.6bb/9, .363babip, 6.07era, 4.04fip, 2.84xfip, 0.1war, 2.82siera, 0.2war/65ip
AAA
Kelly (24-26): 82.2ip, 5.3k/9, 2.9bb/9, .310babip, 2.83era, 4.08fip
Workman (24-25): 96.2ip, 8.3k/9, 2.8bb/9, .313babip, 3.63era, 4.61fip
Shouldn’t fangraphs be telling us that these two are virtually the same, minus some babip luck and run environment differences, and that workman is the obvious replacement?
and shouldn’t The Deepest Team That Ever Was have better options than these and Wright as their #5? especially when a broken masterson is the #4?
or are we still trying to justify that horrawful Lackey trade?
Its as if baseball isn’t just numbers?!?!?!?! Joe Kelly is not the same pitcher as workman because he throws better pitches than workman. The better results might not be there but the potential for them is. And wright was just a potential suggestion, basically anyone from the AAA rotation could be an option.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Kelly has a live arm, Workman does not. Workman looks like a guy who is throwing a heavy rock.
A said little man with a sad little obsession.
just a bemused guy wondering how a last place team with no projected impact players, whose vaunted depth is a bunch of guys with zero track record along with a number of reclamation projects making up half the roster, is being treated like title faves, is all.
They might hit enough to win the division, but the consensus seems to be that their rotation is a giant question mark. Not sure where the “vaunted depth” bit comes from.
guys, this obviously isn’t me, my flaterring little follower’s shtick is starting to wear off and he’s making himself far too obvious
everyone who knows everdiso brand analysis knows that I am level headed and thoughtful, and everdiso @ 10:49 is just a shill who is mindlessly regurgitating nonsense
that said he’s not completely wrong. if you define 4.5 war as impact player then the red sox had exactly 0 impact players last year. and reclamation projects like Hanley, Sandoval, and Bogaerts aren’t going to change the tide
Steven Wright bought some instant water…….. but didn’t know what to add to it.
All his baseball gear was stolen and replaced with an exact replica.
“just a bemused guy wondering how a last place team with no projected impact players”
lol, classic everdiso spin. If we’re basing things on projections, they’re a first place team you dolt.
Just sit back and enjoy the third straight decade of Blue Jay irrelevance and leave the grown up talk to the rest of us.
It sucks as a Blue Jay fan to read Fangraphs and see him troll.
Must be like Phillies113 seeing FreeACC trolling. Or whoever it is that was impersonating him above.
you guys are so mean.