Take Me Out to the Ballgame? Mapping the New MiLB Landscape

In October, Baseball America and The New York Times reported on a proposal from Major League Baseball that, if enacted, would dramatically reimagine the minor leagues. The proposal was the opening salvo of the League’s negotiations with Minor League Baseball over a new Professional Baseball Agreement (PBA), the agreement that governs the relationship between MLB and minor league teams, and includes plans to shift the timing of the amateur draft, realign parent-club affiliations, league geographies, and levels in some cases, and eliminate 42 teams. In justifying the shift, MLB pointed to a desire to improve minor league compensation and playing conditions, reduce burdensome travel, and elevate the facility standards of minor league parks. Those are worthy goals, though the fact that many of them could be accomplished within the existing minor league structure by simply spending more money suggests that this move may be one that is also motivated by cost-savings and efficiency, rather than just concern for minor leaguers on long bus rides.

Earlier this month, the Times revealed which teams are currently slated for closure under MLB’s proposal. Those teams, along with their 2019 total attendance figures are listed in the sortable table below:

Proposed MiLB Affiliate Closures
Team Class Parent Club Location League 2019 Attendance
Auburn Doubledays SS-A Nationals Auburn, NY NYPL 39,381
Batavia Muckdogs SS-A Marlins Batavia, NY NYPL 43,118
Billings Mustangs Rookie Reds Billings, MT PIO 96,594
Binghamton Rumble Ponies AA Mets Binghamton, NY Eastern 182,990
Bluefield Blue Jays Rookie Jays Bluefield, WV Appy 20,909
Bristol Pirates Rookie Pirates Bristol, VA Appy 18,750
Burlington Bees A Angels Burlington, IA Midwest 67,369
Burlington Royals Rookie Royals Burlington, NC Appy 40,142
Chattanooga Lookouts AA Reds Chattanooga, TN Southern 228,662
Clinton LumberKings A Marlins Clinton, IA Midwest 121,325
Connecticut Tigers SS-A Tigers Norwich, CT NYPL 66,532
Danville Braves Rookie Braves Danville, VA Appy 30,007
Daytona Tortugas Adv A Reds Daytona Beach, FL Florida State 137,570
Elizabethton Twins Rookie Twins Elizabethton, TN Appy 27,569
Erie SeaWolves AA Tigers Erie, PA Eastern 215,444
Florida Fire Frogs Adv A Braves Kissimmee, FL Florida State 19,615
Frederick Keys Adv A Orioles Frederick, MD Carolina 263,528
Grand Junction Rockies Rookie Rockies Grand Junction, CO PIO 88,476
Great Falls Voyagers Rookie White Sox Great Falls, MT PIO 43,920
Greeneville Reds Rookie Reds Greeneville, TN Appy 43,617
Hagerstown Suns A Nationals Hagerstown, MD SAL 59,682
Idaho Falls Chukars Rookie Royals Idaho Falls, ID PIO 102,859
Jackson Generals AA D-backs Jackson, TN Southern 107,131
Johnson City Cardinals Rookie Cardinals Johnson City, TN Appy 80,612
Kingsport Mets Rookie Mets Kingsport, TN Appy 29,553
Lancaster JetHawks Adv A Rockies Lancaster, CA California 161,595
Lexington Legends A Royals Lexington, KY SAL 270,221
Lowell Spinners SS-A Red Sox Lowell, MA NYPL 100,687
Mahoning Valley Scrappers SS-A Indians Niles, OH NYPL 98,833
Missoula PaddleHeads Rookie D-backs Missoula, MT PIO 57,076
Ogden Raptors Rookie Dodgers Ogden, UT PIO 146,201
Orem Owlz Rookie Angels Orem, UT PIO 45,561
Princeton Rays Rookie Rays Princeton, WV Appy 24,133
Quad Cities River Bandits A Astros Davenport, IA Midwest 150,905
Rocky Mountain Vibes Rookie Brewers Colorado Springs, CO PIO 137,294
Salem-Keizer Volcanoes SS-A Giants Keizer, OR NWL 80,833
State College Spikes SS-A Cardinals State College, PA NYPL 119,047
Staten Island Yankees SS-A Yankees Staten Island, NY NYPL 66,520
Tri-City Dust Devils SS-A Padres Pasco, WA NWL 87,021
Vermont Lake Monsters SS-A A’s Winooski, VT NYPL 83,122
West Virginia Power A Mariners Charleston, WV SAL 118,444
Williamsport Crosscutters SS-A Phillies Williamsport, PA NYPL 64,148
Attendance numbers courtesy of Ballpark Digest. SS-A = Short Season-A ball; Appy = Appalachian League, NYPL= New York-Penn League, NWL = Northwest League, PIO= Pioneer League, SAL = South Atlantic League.

With a more specific list of affiliates in hand, we wondered how these closures would affect access to professional baseball across the country.

Baseball Prospectus‘ Rob Arthur examined that question last week using the announced attendance figures of the 42 teams in question, and concluded that four million fans would be shut out of minor league baseball, while Allison McCague published a piece there today considering the communities most affected by the closures using average and median populations for those cities and towns, as well as average distance by car to the nearest major league ballpark. Announced attendance certainly gives an idea of how many fans enjoyed their local home nine; obviously those who are already watching affiliated baseball in person are an extremely important demographic to account for when assessing access. Similarly, proximity to major league baseball for the specific communities facing closure is indicative of some degree of lost access. But the closures affect more than just the people who attended games in 2019 and the cities losing teams.

So how many Americans would see their ability to watch affiliated baseball in person disappear under MLB’s proposal? And how many would see their primary point of access shift from the relatively affordable games of the minor leagues to major league ones? To work out how the closure of these minor league teams will affect access to baseball, we went to the map. More specifically, we took the geographical center of each ZCTA (a close relative of ZIP Codes used by the Census Bureau). We calculated the distance as the crow flies from each ZCTA to each ballpark in America, both in 2019 and in MLB’s proposed new landscape. From there, we took the minimum of all of those distances for each ZCTA. That gave us the shortest distance to baseball for each geographical center. We then matched the distance with the population of each area. Linear distance isn’t perfect — it doesn’t account for roads, traffic, and natural barriers, for instance — but given the size of the dataset, it seemed like a reasonable compromise.

Take ZCTA 40502, part of Lexington, Kentucky. It had a population of 25,709 as of the 2010 Census (the most recent granular Census data available). In 2019, 40502 enjoys the presence of the A-Ball Lexington Legends, a scant 3.4 miles away. If MLB’s plan goes through, however, the Legends won’t be around much longer. Should a family from the area want to see professional baseball, they’d have to drive to Louisville to see the Triple-A Bats. Your mileage may vary in terms of whether that’s still close enough to call it local baseball. We repeated this process for each ZCTA to find the cumulative impact.

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Many areas weren’t affected. Louisville residents, for example, will still be able to go see the Bats. And some areas were barely impacted: if you are one of the 215 residents of ZCTA 64676, Rothville, Missouri, your nearest minor league team would go from being 130.3 miles away to 135.7 miles away. If you’d prefer major league baseball, you’re in luck — Kansas City is merely 86 miles away as the crow flies, though interstates complicate the drive somewhat. And in some areas, you’re simply out of luck: if you live in Lowell, Vermont, the Vermont Lake Monsters are close enough for now. Next year, however, they may not exist. And if they don’t, there’s no one else within 125 miles.

Rothville, Missouri wasn’t an idle example. Minor league and major league baseball are different animals, so we calculated the data both including major league teams and without them. We also ran it a third time with independent league teams, which have another vibe altogether, but do offer an option for those in search of professional baseball. The findings reflect all six conditions: current 2019 and proposed 2020 maps for the minors only, for the minors and majors, and for all professional teams including indy leagues.

Put simply, a lot of people will lose easy access to live professional baseball. Take a look at a simple table: the number of people with no access to minor league baseball within a variety of distance ranges as of 2019:

Minor League Access, 2019
Miles Millions w/no MiLB
50 93.8
75 57.9
100 44.3
150 22.2
200 14.2

Is that a lot of people with no realistic access to minor league baseball? Only a few? That’s a matter of perspective. In either case, that’s the current environment. Roughly a third of the US population (the 2010 Census population was 308.7 million) lives more than 50 miles from that most wholesome and American of experiences, the minor league game attended by the entire family.

That’s the world as it exists today. Should MLB’s proposal to restructure the minors go through, here’s the new landscape:

Proposed Minor League Access
Miles Out of Range Now (mm) Proposed Out of Range (mm)
50 93.8 107.8
75 57.9 68.8
100 44.3 52.4
150 22.2 28.8
200 14.2 20.1

While we have provided a variety of distances, the 50 mile demarcation seems most relevant, and the losses there are largest: 14 million people will have minor league games go from approachable to inaccessible. Adding in major league stadiums changes the numbers somewhat, but the theme remains the same:

Proposed MiLB/MLB Access
Miles Out of Range Now (mm) Proposed Out of Range (mm)
50 57.4 68.2
75 34.6 41.4
100 21.7 25.8
150 7.7 9.5
200 3.8 4.7

Accounting for major league stadiums that might bridge the gap in coverage still leaves 11 million people affected by the change. And in many cases, major league baseball is a poor substitute for a minor league game. Between the cost of tickets and concessions, and the general ballpark environment, the two provide completely different experiences, as anyone who’s ever tried to take two young kids to a major league game can attest.

Even adding in independent teams doesn’t put much of a dent in the loss of coverage. We considered 61 teams, including the American Association, Atlantic League, Frontier League, Can-Am League, Pacific Association, Pecos League, Empire League, and United Shore League. These teams provide a measure of added access, but not enough to meaningfully change the picture:

Proposed Pro Baseball Access
Miles Out of Range Now (mm) Proposed Out of Range (mm)
50 51.6 61.8
75 29.8 35.6
100 17.7 20.8
150 6.0 7.6
200 2.7 3.7

Nearly half of the people who are more than 50 miles from a current minor league team are in range of a major or independent league team. But even after accounting for these extra avenues for viewing live professional baseball, more than 10 million people would be directly affected by MLB’s proposed plan. If your tolerance for driving is higher (say, 75 miles), the number of people with access to baseball increases, but the number losing service is still sizable; 11 million if you care about minor league stadiums, and 6 million if you take the broadest possible definition.

What does all of this mean? A sweeping decrease in the availability of live minor league baseball, which has a huge positive effect on communities across America. Would each of those 10-14 million people losing nearby baseball teams have attended a game? Certainly not. As Rob Arthur’s piece shows, they aren’t now. But losing access to it is still serious, and while it’s impossible to know the knock-on effects, it’s not likely to make baseball more popular in places where fans can no longer see the game played live.

Alas, this is all boring and impersonal data. Ten million is a large number, but it’s also something that defies easy comprehension. Ten million people is a statistic, not a set of communities. To make this clearer, we decided to show it on a map.

This isn’t an isolated issue, something affecting one league or state. It affects parts of 25 states, from Florida to Washington. Here are the areas that will go from having a minor league team within 50 miles to not having one should MLB’s proposed change happen:

This is no small matter. Much of Appalachia will have no minor league teams to watch. The same is true for some of the Northeast and the rare parts of the Mountain West that have teams today. Some of those people will be able to replace their shuttered minor league locations with major league teams — but those locations are uncommon. Just over 3 million of the 14 million people will be able to. Those switches are in five markets: Los Angeles, Denver, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Washington, DC. That looks like this:

But for many people, that change isn’t realistic. The average minor league ticket ran around $8 in 2016, and a night for a family of four cost roughly $65. It’s safe to say that that isn’t the case in the major leagues. Per Statista, the cheapest average ticket price among the major league teams now serving these areas is Cincinnati’s $45 average. The Dodgers check in above $100. On average, these fans will go from paying under $10 a ticket to $76.50.

But at least they’ll have baseball. Take a look at what will happen to Appalachia and Tennessee:

The only reason that doesn’t look worse is because much of Appalachia already has no access to baseball. With these closures, 12 of the 20 teams in the region will disappear. One of us (Ben) grew up in Appalachia, and while his local team wouldn’t be closing, many similar ones will. One note: the hole in the green blotch near Washington, DC is an artifact of the ZCTA database used to compile these maps. That region, too, will lose close access to minor league baseball.

It’s not much better out west. The map might not look as bad at first blush:

But those five big blotches are nearly the only places to get baseball in the area. All three teams in Montana would close, as would one of two teams in Idaho and one of two in inland Washington. Only fans living near Spokane or Boise would be unaffected by the closures.

Eleven million people isn’t just a number — it’s towns across America that won’t be able to use a minor league team as a community anchor. Teams we watched play as children simply won’t be there, and many of them won’t have substitutes. Forty million people attended a minor league game last year, more than half the 69 million that attended a big league game. For many people, minor league baseball is their preferred way of seeing the game live. And it just got tougher for many of those people.

Now, MLB’s proposal does include shifting some of the 42 teams on the closure list to a quasi-independent league it is calling the Dream League, which would serve as a proving ground for the large swath of players who would likely go undrafted as a result of the number of draft rounds being reduced. But the exact details of that league have yet to be sketched out. Moreover, the Dream League’s existence would do little for some of the smaller communities currently set to face closure. In his piece for Baseball America, J.J. Cooper noted that the transition from affiliated baseball to the Dream League would, “add $300,000 to $400,000 in costs to club for in salaries, worker’s compensation and staffing.”

That increase in costs makes the idea untenable for many clubs:

Because the markets for most Appalachian and Pioneer league clubs are unlikely to be able to support the increased costs of the Dream League, teams in those leagues would instead be encouraged to form summer wood bat amateur teams under the auspices and organization of MLB. By doing so, MLB could assure cities that while they may no longer have MLB-affiliated teams, they still would have baseball tied to the MLB/MiLB umbrella.

How acceptable a substitute the Dream League or a wood bat amateur team will prove to be is still an open question, but it is clear that the experience will be meaningfully different from these communities are used to now.

It’s easy to read this as hyperbole, as making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to a lost entertainment option that affects 3% of the country. But minor league baseball is more than just the players who play it, or the fans who come through the turnstiles, regardless of how many of those fans there are. Minor league baseball is part of baseball’s enduring popularity. Taking in a minor league game remains one of baseball’s great pleasures, and with its relatively low cost and general proximity to home, it is a great way to make fans out of people who might not know how much they’ll enjoy it by presenting them with a low-stakes way to try baseball out.

This isn’t meant to be an economic analysis of the proposed changes to minor league baseball; it can’t tell you the cost in jobs of removing a minor league franchise from a small town. It isn’t meant to discuss what a smaller minor league universe means for the big league dreams and livelihoods of marginal prospects, or whether, in so confidently reducing the number of non-complex affiliates each team will have, MLB’s proposal accurately pegs the number of prospects who might truly be understood to be marginal. Those are all topics that merit a deeper dive. On the one hand, MLB is right to say that some of these teams don’t draw large crowds, and play their games in facilities that need improvement. Minor leaguers spend a lot of time on long bus rides; the fact is that the vast majority of them will never see the majors. Some optimization is likely warranted. But the fact that teams like the Yankees and the Dodgers, which are so frequently lauded for their player development expertise, have elected to field so many affiliates suggests that smart teams see value in the baseball being played in the game’s lowest pro levels. Player development isn’t linear. Some of these facilities are in a state of relative disrepair, but others, like the Rocky Mountain Vibe’s UCHealth Park, have undergone recent renovations. The minor leagues are far from perfect, but MLB’s proposal isn’t the only way to fix them.

But that isn’t our project today. Today, we consider the human cost of having no minor league team in your area. Minor league baseball hooks us while we’re young, hooks us whether or not we have access to a nearby big league club. As fun as it is to analyze major leaguers, that isn’t the sole remit of FanGraphs. We enjoy baseball in its many forms, and it’s a tragedy to see one of the most accessible ways of taking in a game be closed off from so many people.

Update: an earlier version of this post used a map which added the region surrounding the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers as losing minor league baseball. This map was incorrectly uploaded; it was used as a test of the mapping system. The correct map has been appended.





Meg is the managing editor of FanGraphs. Ben is a contributor to FanGraphs.

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williamnyy
6 years ago

For reasons covered more deeply in these two threads (https://tinyurl.com/s3knejb and https://tinyurl.com/sbd43n4), MLB has a sound reason to consider realignment that includes reducing the number of affiliates. Paring back could improve the efficiency of player development, lead to improved conditions for players (competition, pay, travel, facilities), and allow MLB to better promote the game in rural areas. Unfortunately, much of the criticism level against the plan has been hyperbolic, and though this article is not, it still does not address whether 160 affiliates is in the best of interest of teams, players and even the host cities (many of whom end up putting up public money to finance stadiums only to see teams up and move anyway).

williams .482Member since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

How the hell is not playing baseball in rural areas going to help promote the game in said rural areas?

As for the teams, they shoulder the costs because they’ve determined as individuals that having a whole bunch of places to stash and train lotto ticket minor leaguers is a highly profitable enterprise. They benefit from the players being under their control, they pay to keep ’em there.

What we’ve got here is a bunch of owners realizing that if they all work together to not try their hardest and not cast quite so wide a net for potential major league talent, then they can all save money and none of them have to pay the price in relative talent for their frugality. They product on the field will be slightly worse, because they miss out on a handful of major leaguers who would have gone undrafted or squeezed out after disappointing starts, but we probably won’t know the difference because everything we can count on a baseball field is relative.

In short, this is an anticompetitive cost saving measure, and unlike the other spending caps and draft pick penalties, this one comes at a real cost to human beings who don’t make millions to play baseball.

Sincerely,
a proud supporter of the Vermont Lake Monsters

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  williams .482

Go Monsters!

williamnyy
6 years ago
Reply to  williams .482

What would promote the game better in Appalachia: having a handful of teams play to 500 people for 30 games or investing money in youth leagues, high school programs, and other outreach? There are plenty of ways to promote the game.

You are also ignoring all of the independent leagues, college summer leagues and Division I&II programs that bring baseball to rural communities. These are viable alternatives to short season Rookie teams.

Finally, you contradicted your argument by, on the one hand, saying MLB teams enjoy the benefit of stashing as many lottery tickets as possible, and then on the other, arguing that the teams are colluding to keep those lottery tickets out of the game. The fact is 10-20% of drafted players will play a single game in the majors. The current system is not designed to optimize player development. Realignment as part of a broader plan of reinvestment in isolated communities is a much better alternative than simply maintaining an antiquated status quo.

williams .482Member since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

“Finally, you contradicted your argument by, on the one hand, saying MLB teams enjoy the benefit of stashing as many lottery tickets as possible, and then on the other, arguing that the teams are colluding to keep those lottery tickets out of the game.”

What I said is that this proposed plan is an effort to collude by reducing the number of lotto ticket prospects every team can keep in their system.

None of these teams would be slashing affiliates entirely of their own accord, the small chance of turning one of the would be cuts into a viable major leaguer is to valuable to the parent club. A franchise which chose to cut down like that would be disadvantaged relative to teams that stuck to the status quo, something teams like the aforementioned Yankees and Dodgers are clearly aware of because they’ve been actively doing the exact opposite.

The fact that very few prospects pan out and make the majors is a non sequitur until teams figure out how to identify those few when they are still young and undeveloped. They are better at it than they used to be, and further improvement is likely, but they have a long way to go before they can be truly confident that dumping a few dozen rookie leaguers isn’t going to cost them a quality major leaguer someday.

mkg2149
6 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

williamnyy … spoken by someone who probably never played the game at a seriously high (see: professional) level. I think people can understand the arguments in favor of efficiency and travel and conditions; however, these are baseball’s talking points in an attempt to make their point in their effort to save money. The fields in both the Appy League and the Pioneer League are perfectly fine for MiLB play. I’ve been to both and watched a player I know well play in both leagues. Furthermore; when you cut the game away from segments of the country, you are asking for unintended consequences such as losing young players who may otherwise grow up to become a star of the game. Even in rural America in the early 1900s, leagues spread out thru the midwest and attracted players, and some of those players because great finds for MLB. Additionally, negating the draft down by many rounds will end up having major unintended consequences. There are plenty of guys who are drafted late – say, round 30-40, who have no chance to actually be quality MLB players, but they are skilled and know the game and can play the game at a very high level to the degree that they challenge young prospects who are raw without being a bludgeon to their career. Those pieces in organizations and leagues are vital for real, actual prospects to play against. Losing out on those players could well hamper development of players in very meaningful ways. By all accounts, baseball is creating a generally better player on the field now in comparison to yesterday. The style of play may not be everyone’s favorite, but the players execute the current style very well. This is from being honed in MiLB against some players who are equal, some who are better, and some who are worse. Even the 24 year old SR drafted player taken in the 40th round can play a key cog in development of someone who becomes a star. Whether its something that player can teach but cant quite do routinely, himself, or whether its others seeing his deficiencies and learning to avoid them. The more players playing, the better. It provides immense learning experience and makes the game much more well rounded and competitive once the MLB level is reached. MLB is making money hand over fist. Even if there were good reasons to take these teams away, they have the money to support it … but the problem is, to the contrary, there are many better reasons to keep the teams and the players. And this is just from an immediate baseball perspective. Keeping jobs in Amerca’s game and butts in the seats and eyes on the field all over the country – in person – is vitally important to the long term health of the game.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  mkg2149

I’m not convinced that these markets “matter” in a growing the game sense in terms of missing players they would have otherwise gotten. For one, no one is scouting these cities for players. I dunno the last time you watched high level amateur baseball, but from a “we’ll lose future players if we close this team” perspective, I’m not seeing many travel teams from small town Pennsylvania at showcases (which is where you would see kids like that play- what, you think anybody outside of like 30 college teams has a recruiting budget that means they can travel to recruit?). There’s a good article out there, somewhere, on kids traveling 3 hours to get on a team in Bradenton, Gwinnett, or Fort Worth- and there’s a chance that they’d lose THOSE kids by closing these teams down. But the stranglehold of well funded travel teams, coupled with the relative ubiquity of cable television, makes the “have team in the middle of nowhere” argument in terms of “diamonds in the rough” less compelling. The player pool is down, but that is, I think, mostly because fewer teams “matter,” earlier on in kids playing the game. Kids get an honest evaluation early on nowadays, and frankly, get told whether it’s worth coming back to play travel ball. They definitely miss some kids they could have gotten. But they get the good players better coaching earlier, and seem to be happy with the results.

As for skill development, I dunno. The value produced by lower league teams is very very small. The EV has to be negative in terms of costs v. benefits to keep them going, I think one reason people haven’t written that article here is because the costs of keeping these teams going far outweigh the benefits from a standard analysis, so you have to rely on squishier stuff like “future fans and market growth.” It’s way easier to answer the question “do these teams produce enough pros to justify the cost of their existence” than “do we shrink the audience for the game by cutting franchises in places that are far from and MLB team” or “do we need people to go to games to make money” (quite frankly the answer to that seems to be “no” in most sports).

ThrasiusMember since 2016
6 years ago

Fantastic and very necessary article! Thanks!

Brewtown_Kev
6 years ago

On the “ZIP Codes Losing <50 mile MiLB Access" map, there's a green splotch surrounding the Appleton/Fox Cities area in Wisconsin, but no team in Wisconsin is on the list of proposed closures. What am I missing?

Ben ClemensFanGraphs Staff
6 years ago
Reply to  Brewtown_Kev

This will be fixed in an update shortly. I uploaded an old map where I was testing removing one team at a time to validate the map process. The Timber Rattlers are last alphabetically in my list, so they were my first test. The correct map will remove that spot (and none of the rest).

Edit: now fixed in the article.

srpst23Member since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Just Curious, in the Zip codes losing <50 mile MiLB access there is a green blotch in NW PA which includes Erie. Erie has a AA team, the Erie SeaWolves, which aren't on the list of closures. There is also the Akron Rubber Ducks in NE Ohio which isn't very far. I'm trying to figure out which team caused that blotch. Thanks

Ben ClemensFanGraphs Staff
6 years ago
Reply to  srpst23

I’ll take a look. There’s some chance there’s a mis-located geographical coordinate in the data somewhere, because the datafile is too big to exactly validate, and a bad coordinate could have slipped in just due to a typo in the process of uploading all this data. I certainly didn’t spot check every longitude/latitude pair.

Edit: The SeaWolves are on the list of closures. The reason the area is so small is because the Rubber Ducks cover a lot of the loss.

Brewtown_Kev
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Thanks for clearing that up. My question isn’t a criticism of the piece, by the way. Lots of good information here.

emh1969
6 years ago

I may be hopelessly naive but how can MLB decide what minor league teams a franchise can operate? And where they can operate them?

Also, I’m quite confused by the A and AA closures. Do those teams get to replace those affiliates?

(I realize that’s not the focus of this excellent post, but I’m very confused)

Ryan21
6 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Related to the issue of MLB’s authority, I wonder about the contractual issues involved. Do the minor league teams not have leases with their stadiums, contracts with vendors, and so on? Is MLB essentially forcing them to breach those contracts by requiring them to move or shut down entirely? And what about the impact on citizens in the relevant towns who might have voted to fund construction of a new stadium with the assumption that the stadium would come with a MiLB franchise?

Greg SimonsMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan21

You’re assuming MLB owners give a dam about anything beyond their bottom line, and many/most have demonstrated repeatedly they do not.

Ryan21
6 years ago
Reply to  Greg Simons

Setting aside the rhetoric, something like getting sued for interference with contractual relations could easily impact an MLB team’s bottom line. I’m curious what kind of legal exposure MLB teams might have as a result of this plan.

rosen380
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan21

I wonder if those things were figured into the choices? Did teams with contracts expiring sooner get bumped up (up as in higher chance of being selected for removal)? Did teams with bad parks/facilities and no public support to upgrade get bumped up?

Maybe they did the math on the 42 teams and came up with a figure of, lets say $15M, to buy out all of those active contracts and they’d just split it evenly between the MLB teams?

ronbaugh
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan21

Zero minor league teams are being abolished by MLB, MLB can’t do that, what MLB is doing is eliminating PDCs with those teams. It is up to the leagues on how they handle this if the teams stay in the leagues. In the case of the Appy and Pioneer Leagues they are eliminating all PDCs for the leagues. In the days before the Indy Northern League (now basically the AA) and Frontier league formed in 1993 there were independent teams in some of the leagues with affiliated teams (see movie Batter Bastards of Baseball, or the book by Roger Kahn “Good Enough to Dream.”) This could be part of the plan although I suspect not. However, the teams will still exist they just have to find a league and pay players and coaches.

It is vital that we see the whole plan to really understand what is happening. If MLB is also trying to dictate to the leagues that they expel the teams that don’t have PDCs than those teams have a problem, and depending on what their relationship is with the leagues and contracts, well that could be interesting. If they don’t have to expel the teams the leagues could have the teams as independent teams. This is why we really need the full plan, not just the drips and drabs that are coming out slowly and everyone is reacting too with outrage and anger, so many are stepping into this without understanding the structure and history of the minors and making snap judgments.

In the cases of full leagues being eliminated those leagues still exist and those team ownership exist, they just have to pay the players and hire new staffs if they want to play baseball in 2021. It is conceivable that an Indy League could work in a smaller Pioneer League footprint in the north, (maybe even adding back Helena, Butte and Casper) and absolutely likely that the Pecos League will take over the southern teams, especially the ones in Colorado.

What’s likely going to happen is that many of these teams are going to file lawsuits if the agreement is made. MLB will likely have to pay off a number of teams and their owners. But also what is going to happen is a few more Indy teams, some more college summer leagues will move in to the communities who lose teams.

mookie monster
6 years ago

Thanks so much for this.

I would love to see the <50 mile map redrawn to include all those places that are already without baseball within 50 miles. (Or if easier to read, the inverse — shade the 50-mile radius around every ballpark.) And then show the same under the MLB proposal. I think that would really illustrate in a visceral way the kinds of "baseball deserts" we're talking about here.

kqskqs
6 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

I like the term “baseball deserts.” I’ve heard it used for grocery stores and such but didn’t think about applying it here.

Ben ClemensFanGraphs Staff
6 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

That was actually an initial plan, but the map looked kind of ridiculous. You can see it here:
https://twitter.com/_Ben_Clemens/status/1199056829197639681

The swaths of the west with no baseball kind of drown out the importance of the map, in my eyes. But that’s the current state of things, and you can see that many of the white patches would turn green.

paperlions
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Thanks for the link to this. I do think it is important for context. Clearly, for much of the country “the most wholesome and American of experiences” is already not an option. I honestly had no idea access was already that bad for so much of the country.

burgh_fan
6 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

I second this. I’m actually in one of those current “baseball deserts” though not by a whole lot. Still go and watch my local minor league team with some regularity and fortunately they aren’t on the list but I’d be curious to see what other areas are in my same situation.

ronbaugh
6 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

Yes, the important thing is that these are currently in many places, and it is because of the relationships that MiLB has with MLB that actually limits the amount of baseball and creates these current deserts.

However when you consider college summer leagues these deserts aren’t as big.

pete2286Member since 2016
6 years ago

MLB’s proposal is to eliminate 42 teams. MiLB would eliminate 0. Hopefully the negotiations yield something a bit more friendly to the fans. Maybe each MLB team ends up having 5 affiliates rather than 4 and the total number of MiLB teams only falls from 160 to 150.

lincolndd
6 years ago
Reply to  pete2286

Agreed. Cut ten (still sucks, but better than 42), merge the Rookie and SS-A leagues into a single short-season level. Realign and reclassify, not only to create five levels of 30 teams, but also to fix some of the geographic issues. Each team gets five affiliates, one at each level.

There may be some sacrifices (e.g. drop Binghamton to the short-season level? worth it if it means saving the Rumble Ponies from contraction), but a lot less painful.

grouchonyy
6 years ago

The only team not dropped from the NYPL seems to br the Brooklyn Cyclones. It seems that the Mets would want to move the Binghamton franchise to Brooklyn as an AA member of the Eastern League. When the Yankees tried relocating to their AA franchise to Long Island, around 2000, the Mets stopped it by claiming territorial rights. As a compromise, both teams started teams in NYC (Brooklyn and Staten Island). The Yankees connected with Trenton for their AA team. Wouldn’t the Yankees have the right to either return the favor by blocking Brooklyn for Territorial reasons, or be allowed to keep team in Staten Island with a different minor designation?

CC AFCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  grouchonyy

Nah, there are others. That’s my local league. It’s hit hard, but there are several teams left.

lincolndd
6 years ago
Reply to  grouchonyy

Wondered about that, too. Yanks lose their NYC affiliate while the Mets’ gets promoted? Hard to see that happening.

Handsome Wes
6 years ago

Here’s what I don’t get: where will the 16-year-olds signed during the international period play? They’re not ready for AA ball. Will they be shoved there anyway, and thus dilute the competitive level of that league? Will they just stay in a team training complex for three years?

CC AFCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Handsome Wes

I thought most of them don’t play in formal US leagues immediately after signing already? Think they mostly play in the Dominican or in instructional leagues for a bit.

paperlions
6 years ago
Reply to  Handsome Wes

The same place they play now, the DSL and then the GCL.

CC AFCMember since 2016
6 years ago

What does MLB have against Burlingtons? The Bees, the Royals and the Lake Monsters (Winooski is Burlington)? This is suspiciously anti-Burlington

CpinsMember since 2024
6 years ago

While I agree w/the premise I’m not sure the math is as useful as it could be. The next level would be a look at how many people in the affected areas attended minor league games. Clearly this has some relevance as it’s represented in the first chart in the article. Collectively they sold just under 4m tickets last season. Of course, 4m tickets does not represent 4m people – season ticket holders, folks that go to the park more than 1x/year etc.

I’d be curious how those attendance figures washed out in the above analysis to learn how many 2019 ticket buyers would be pushed outside the 50 mile radius. That’s not the end of the story but understanding how many folks that actually trek to a milb park would be affected would be equally useful as gross population numbers.

williamnyy
6 years ago
Reply to  Cpins

I tried to post a Twitter thread with some of that context, but it is stuck in moderation. Though 25% of affiliates would be eliminated, they only represent 19% of games and 9% of attendance. So, while 3% of the pop is losing 50 mile access, the percentage of baseball ticket buyers would be even less. More needed context is normalization of distance (i.e., 50 Montana miles are not the same as 50 NYC miles). We also need to consider the age of affiliates if community impact as a chief concern. And, perhaps, maybe MiLB affiliates shouldn’t be allowed to move freely if MLB is stocking them for community reasons? The two main questions we should be asking are: 1) Are 160 affiliates efficient from a player development standpoint? and 2) Is stocking 40 extra franchises, many of which draw sparse crowds, the best way to grow the game in remote areas of the country?

CpinsMember since 2024
6 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

Thanks for the reply. What’s your Twitter handle? Did you get through moderation?

OddBall Herrera
6 years ago

Objectively though, it doesn’t make a ton of sense to have so many teams below AA, there is just so much chaff there and the MLB talent usually either skips it or burns straight through to High A or AA, and the only reason it’s been working for MLB is that these guys are working for nothing. I do agree that the minor leagues have been constructed to be a windfall for MLB, and that it has to change, but I don’t agree that the change should prohibit MLB from reassessing the viability of these franchises in the face of rising costs. If the teams don’t make sense to run, why run them? That’s just turning the windfall in the other direction.

It may be a mountain out of a molehill in a different sense though – going public with this type of thing is usually a bargaining tactic, “You raise costs, we’ll cut jobs” is pretty much being Playing Hardball with Unions 101.

jadey52803
6 years ago

As someone who lives in the patch along the Iowa/Illinois border likely to lose multiple near-by teams, and putting this area in the “losing <50 miles MiLB access" it just further reinforces the belief that MLB hates this area. We've long been subjected to TV blackout for Cubs/White Sox/Brewers/Cardinals/Twins/Royals with the closest stadium being a 3 hours drive. Thanks for nothing!

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago

this is sad. manfred will destroy baseball. How does this grow the game? This is very short sighted and a money grab thats it. Does not grow the game. Put this into the camp of MLBAM deal as another top 3 worst deals in MLB history. Does not benefit the fans, does not grow the game etc, only benefits the owners. They will spin it saying it will benefit players etc because they will give them 100$/month…..but we all know the real reason. So Sad

Towel
6 years ago

The whole western US part of the map could be described as:

1. The highest mountain peaks in the country
2. DEEP Palouse
3. Orange county

Lol

dukewinslowMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Towel

One is VERY curious about what is going on in Colorado Springs, a pretty big city by the standards of that chart. I wonder if it’s just way too far from other teams- they used to be the AAA affiliate for the Rockies, which makes a ton of sense.

TJBMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

It’s hard to overstate just how bad UCHealth Park (nee Security Service Field, nee Sky Sox Stadium) is, even with the renovations. Losing the Rockies affiliation certainly hurt, but having a lousy park on the edge of town (or, at least, what used to be the edge of town) has been the bigger issue for a long time.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  TJB

IIRC it was a long way from Springs, proper. It amazes me that the Rockies don’t take ownership of the situation, but not much the Rockies do as an organization makes sense from the outside, if I’m being honest.

TKDCMember since 2016
6 years ago

50 miles is actually pretty far to expect people (especially families with kids) to travel for a baseball game. I’m sure if you lowered the threshold to 25-30 miles (or somehow to 30 minutes) it would be worse.

I grew up in Appalachia and the fact that minor league baseball could just up and disappear from the area makes me sad. I got to play in one of the stadiums for our intra-City middle school double header (there were only two middle schools). The stadium was named after the mayor, whose wife worked in my elementary school. Admittedly, that area is not super into baseball. The group of parks where I played little league are now a parking lot and a skate park. Football and NASCAR are king there. But gutting the minor league experience is no way to win fans. I’m sure this follows other places. MLB might want to think about this as it might be penny wise but pound foolish.

mbrunette48
6 years ago

This is a pure leverage tactic by MLB, a “Doom’s Day Scenario” to get these communities pitted against each other to invest taxpayer money in upgrading stadiums and facilities. (Hey it worked in the MLB, let’s try it at the lower levels). I do believe MLB is interested in reducing the number of teams, but whipping out a total of $300 million dollars in MiLB team equity along with the lawsuits that would ensue, and adapting a Houston Plan for All, is not the end goal of the MLB.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  mbrunette48

Hope you are right, but i’m not so sure manfred is smart enough to even think of that. Hes a knee jerk guy. Owners think they can save money, he says i’ll show you how. they have no interest in growing the game.

paperlions
6 years ago
Reply to  mbrunette48

I really don’t think it is, because it really doesn’t save MLB much money. I think they realize that they now have too many developmental levels and there is just no reason for SS rookie ball…that guys can play in other leagues, and most of the guys that play there now are low draft picks that last for < 2 years in pro ball anyway.

rosen380
6 years ago
Reply to  paperlions

Since there are still roster sizes limits in the minors, if short season was ditched, would there be a significant number of players cut shortly after the draft to make room for the newly drafted players?

paperlions
6 years ago
Reply to  rosen380

They are also proposing cutting the draft by 20 rounds, they may not cut it by 20, but they seem to plan on cutting it by a good bit…most teams don’t use all 40 rounds as it is, and a lot of the later picks are just wasted on unsignable guys.

B N
6 years ago

It’s an interesting exercise, but I think it’s not as useful as it could be:
– Distances Too Far (need a 25 mi range): I am not quite sure why we have estimates of how many people are within 200 miles (!!!) of a park but not within 25 miles. If I am 150 miles from a minor league park, that means I’m not going. Heck, with a 3 year old, anything over 1h drive one-way starts looking unrealistic.

– Distance vs. Transit Time: The distance is also not as important as the typical travel time. For example, 12 miles in the DC corridor will take you as long as 50 miles in much of Montana. This is obviously harder data to grab, but a rough multiplier by population density would probably be closer to the mark.

Overall, the question is really “How many people are within 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1h, and 3h?” Because those are about the breakpoints where people will start considering how they take a trip.

njf05
6 years ago

Thanks for this well thought out article. Nice work; I enjoyed the read. I would love to see a follow-up that includes the big college programs, indy teams and summer collegiate leagues. As one example, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan now have more high quality baseball available for fans (in sparsely populated areas in many cases) than ever before. And it’s because of that trio of sources, not MiLB. Affiliated ball is great. There’s certainly something to be said for having an association with a big league club. But I regularly attend indy/summer collegiate/regular season collegiate games and see lots of packed fields. I think a trimming down of affiliated ball could open the door for an expansion of indy leagues and make additional summer collegiate leagues potentially desirable, as well. For indy leagues, the USPBL is a terrific model that set up (initially) four teams at one location. Just went to one game but it was by far my kids’ favorite. This is a model that could work really well in less populated areas, too, if there really is enough of an appetite to support live baseball.

Re: the maps, it kills me to think of the area east of Louisville as hurting for live baseball. Univ. of Kentucky just finished a brand new park that is incredible and hosts high quality SEC baseball with a great crowd/atmosphere. The Louisville program has solidified itself as one of the best in the country and it’s free to attend. There’s a lot of good baseball out there for folks to see. If cutting down on affiliated ball helps spread the love to some of these other outlets then maybe it ends up being a win for everyone.

Spa City
6 years ago

Why can’t the low minors be completely eliminated? Young players would benefit more from being “full time” employees (paid accordingly) who do nothing but practice daily? No need for sparsely-attended games all over the country.

Teams could each have Baseball Academies – perhaps in Florida, Arizona, who knows – maybe Puerto Rico or Hawaii. They could have everybody together in the same spot – practicing and exercising all day. At that level they are mainly high school and college age kids, so they might sneak some education in. Games could be intra-squad, and occasionally against other teams with nearby academies. It could be like year-round spring training.

I think players would get better taking hours of fielding and hitting practice and working out than they do in the current system where they are on buses for hours at a time and working part time jobs. And they could still get plenty of games in.

I also think you could sell more tickets to the academy style practices and games than they sell in many minor league parks. Fans could see prospects from rookie league all the way to AA. When the Yankees used to have AA team near me, I had to hurry to see Jeter – he was only there a short time. Academy style facilities would let me follow prospects through each level.

Bigperm8645Member since 2016
6 years ago

Ah, when the venture capitalists came for the Minor Leagues. I think I can predict how this story ends. Rather than shudder 40 teams, MLB can shudder 60, thus saving ownership millions, with the reasoning that all of these people can watch MLB on TV or app, as that is how ownership makes the majority of their revenue. All the smart owners will then wait to sell until right before the next TV deal, which will be worse for them, as fewer people want to watch. The dumb owners will be left holding franchises that continue to lose value, as the TV contract is worse and fewer fans are attending the games. Eventually, robot players are introduced, and Super Baseball 2020 comes to pass (probably around 2040). And Baseball, once America’s pastime, finds itself smaller than the MLS (I kid! it will still be bigger than the MLS).

Mike NMN
6 years ago

Good piece. Interesting way of presenting the data. There is a huge pricing difference between MLB and MIIB, and, particularly if you are taking smaller children out to the park, who can get the wiggles after a visit to the concession stand, and who are young enough not to be cynical, that pricing difference can be huge. Whatever MLB is looking to “save” has to be partially offset by the long term trends of declining interest and an aging fan base.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
6 years ago

Fuck this noise.

Minor League Baseball is the best live product out there.

kevinthecomic
6 years ago

I have nothing but fond memories of going to minor league baseball games. It’s a shame that fewer people will be able to have this experience. Allow me to be self indulgent and run through some (most?) of my favorite memories:

My first was a Buffalo Bison’s game in 1986 (when I was 18) who were then the AAA affiliate of the Clevland Indians. My buddy’s mom stopped to help a stranded vehicle on the QEW (I’m Canadian) between Buffalo and Niagara Falls. Turns out the strandees were members of the Omaha Royals who were in town to play the Bisons and took the opportunity to visit the falls. The players, whose names have been lost to history, left a couple of tickets for my buddy at Will Call. IIRC, a young Daryl Boston was playing for the Bisons. Also, this game was at old War Memorial stadium which is now gone — the park can still be seen, however, in the 1984 Robert Redford movie, The Natural, as a lot of the on-field scenes were filmed in Buffalo.

In the mid-90s, I lived in Thunder Bay, Ontario, home of the Northern League Whiskey Jacks. I lived there for three years and got to see a couple of things. One was Darryl Strawberry starting in right field opening weekend for, I believe, the St. Paul Saints; he was trying to get re-instated into organized ball or was on some kind of suspension anyway. I believe this was in 1996 so, he started the year in Thunder Bay and ended it winning the World Series with the Yankees. The other was watching the first female to sign a professional baseball contract, pitcher Ila Borders, also a player for the Saints. Finally, Daryl Boston reappeared, this time at the end of his career, playing for the hometown 9. The Northern League is long gone, but a number of the teams survived, including the St. Paul Saints, and now play in the Frontier League. Alas, the Whiskey Jacks relocated to Schaumberg, Ill to become the Flyers where they died a slow, withering death some years later.

Most of my MiLB stories are of me as a dad with my two kids, so this would have been the mid-aughties to the early 2010s. We moved to Michigan when both were very young (6 and 3) and, yeah, if there was an evening of entertainment available for 50 bucks a night, I was in! Typically, tickets were $25 for the four of us and then we would spend another $25 on concessions and/or souveniers. Anyway, here’s what we got to see:

*Cameron Maybin, then baseball’s #1 prospect (oops!) playing for the West Michigan White Caps (MidWest League A – Tigers) — he got HBP three times in the game we were at — also, our section won a random draw and everyone got a free tube of salami!

*Lansing Lugnuts (MidWest A – Blue Jays) — outside the stadium prior to the game there was an Airstream Trailer show and also some “flying dogs” which was a big flatbed semi with a pool and a diving board that the dogs would jump off of to fetch frisbees

*Louisville RiverBats (AAA Cardinals at the time) — no specific memories of the game, but the 4th of July fireworks on a riverboat were pretty cool

*Brevard County (Florida) Manatees (A – Brewers) — this was an EPIC experience — not only did every single kid in the park get to race from behind the centerfield wall to the 3rd base dugout, but my son got picked out of the crowd to run the bases against the mascot, Manny Manatee (I think it’s a law somewhere that all Manatees be named Manny, kinda like all Hamsters are named Hammy). The best part was that my son, who was like 8 or 10 or something thought he was in a real race, and he ran his ASS off. He started at 1B, Manny started at 3B, and the first to reach the other base won. Anyway, my son rounded 2B before Manny even got there, so Manny turned around and tried to run my son down as he scampered for third! — We’ve got a great picture of Manny bearing down on my son as he strained to get to 3rd. Probably the best 50 bucks I ever spent.

njf05
6 years ago
Reply to  kevinthecomic

Great stories! We’ve had similar experiences at MiLB, college summer league and indy league events. At one point MiLB was the primary outlet for these types of kids events, but most of the Indy and collegiate leagues have tapped into these types of promos/events to help draw in families, businesses for events, etc. If you have any in your area or run into them during your travels definitely check them out!

willieschampagne
6 years ago

The day this happens we’ll be 5-10 years from the MLS passing MLB for the 4th major sport in the US. Just a stupid fucking decision in a dying sport.

jfree
6 years ago

Everything about this article is simply accepting the premise of MLB’s anti-trust exemption. That they are the ones who really get to decide who plays baseball and where they play it. The only role of anyone else is to whine about circle radii and try to play let’s make a deal. It’s crap.

Get rid of the anti-trust exemption. Period. There is nothing to negotiate.

Charter an ACTUAL sports governing body for the sport of baseball in the US and include everyone EXCEPT the 30 MLB teams and their two leagues in that – from Little League to American Legion to Olympic baseball to the slew of adult leagues that are currently completely crippled by MLB – AAABA, NCBA, AABC, AWBF, MSBL, NABA, NACSB, NABF – and the independents – and any city who has a muni-owned park. Have the sports governing body model itself more like soccer in Germany/England (or like USGA if we Americans have become allergic to things that work elsewhere).

Then – let the lawsuits fly re draft, contracts, media ‘territory rights’, etc and let the dust settle where it will.

Spa City
6 years ago
Reply to  jfree

Without the Antitrust Exemption, half the teams in MLB would relocate to NYC. Who could stop them?

If you owned the Pittsburgh Pirates, Tampa Rays, Oakland A’s (etc)… wouldn’t you move to Brooklyn or Manhattan (neither of which have had MLB teams in 60 years)?!

jfree
6 years ago
Reply to  Spa City

Well that presumably means then that the taxpayers of NYC would be extorted into paying for 15 or so municipal ballparks that are MLB-caliber. And the media contract they get would eliminate the interest of 95% or so of the country. So there would be huge opportunities for leagues in other places to negotiate their own media contracts.

So no that wouldn’t actually happen. What would most likely happen is exactly what happens in Germany/England re soccer. Cuz it works. Leagues that are based on some caliber of playing competition. With separate ‘ownership’ from the teams that compose it in any given year. The media contract would be with the league since the media only cares about broadcasting games between teams. Said revenues would be distributed to those teams in that league that year. And since the teams in that league that year would have a financial interest in maintaining the caliber of competition rather than a consistency of ownership, they would likely welcome a system where tanking teams (eg Marlins now, Astros/Cubs back when) get relegated to lower-competition leagues until they are ready to compete and be promoted. If you get some odd years where the ‘best teams’ are all from a tiny handful of big cities – well so be it. It wouldn’t last long.

Likewise, ‘clubs’ (the facility stuff) ownership would likely separate a bit from ‘team’ (player, coach,etc) ownership. And since the sports governing body would be membership-based (not fixed ownership), you’d have a ton of fans and athletes (pro, semi-pro, and amateur) looking to expand the sport rather than restrict it. All in all a giant confusing mess that fosters real competition in the ‘free market’ sense. And that ‘works’ in exactly that unpredictable uncontrollable way.

jfree
6 years ago
Reply to  jfree

To give the example of how big successful valuable teams ‘operate’ in that German soccer system. Since that top level is where the big media revenues go. Bayern Munich owns both its club/facilities and its main team. It also has a reserve team, a junior team, a seniors team, a women’s team, and a referees academy (who ref most of the Munich area leagues). It also owns or has owned local basketball, baseball, bowling, handball, and other sports teams in the Munich area. All of which foster ‘team’ fandom and the revenues that go with that – and that ‘go local and deep’ loyalty is exactly what one would expect when ‘relocation extortion’ is no longer as easily available. According to Forbes, that franchise is roughly the same value as the Dodgers/RedSox/Cubs/Giants. Which ain’t the Yankees but ain’t chopped liver either.

No surprise – that also delivers huge benefits to Munich itself since they no longer are a city dependent on the kindness of venal strangers for its entertainment/recreation options. Which makes it far easier to sell the city as a place to live and grow businesses/employees.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  jfree

On the other hand, there are 6 EPL teams from London (Arsenal, Watford, Palace, Chelsea, West Ham, Spurs) and half (19 or so) are technically below Birmingham. There are 4 teams from Munich right now in the BL, and only ONE from eastern Germany (RBL). Were baseball to toss the trust exemption and allow markets to determine where teams would go, using the example of soccer as a guide, there’d be a ton of consolidation.

jfree
6 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

There might be ‘consolidation’ of that very top level league. Maybe 12 teams in each of the AL and NL. But not at all in the sport itself

England has 12 million ‘FA’ players, 28 ‘national’ teams, roughly 42,000 semi-pro/serious athletes and 7000 semi-pro/serious teams

Germany has 7 million dues-paying members of its FA, 25,000 ‘clubs’, 170,000 teams, etc

In both places, players and contracts get swapped all the time as teams get promoted/relegated. And there also some media/sponsorship revenues at the lower level leagues too so they’re not just relegated to bake sales

ronbaugh
6 years ago
Reply to  Spa City

So what? this needs to happen, that’s how you solve the big market/small market divide. Eventually you get forced expansion, which would go a long way towards solving problems in MLB right now.

mkg2149
6 years ago

I see a lot of comments spoken by people who probably never played the game at a seriously high (see: professional) level. I think people can understand the arguments in favor of efficiency and travel and conditions; however, these are baseball’s talking points in an attempt to make their point in their effort to save money. The fields in both the Appy League and the Pioneer League are perfectly fine for MiLB play. I’ve been to both and watched a player I know well play in both leagues. Furthermore; when you cut the game away from segments of the country, you are asking for unintended consequences such as losing young players who may otherwise grow up to become a star of the game. Even in rural America in the early 1900s, leagues spread out thru the midwest and attracted players, and some of those players because great finds for MLB. Additionally, negating the draft down by many rounds will end up having major unintended consequences. There are plenty of guys who are drafted late – say, round 30-40, who have no chance to actually be quality MLB players, but they are skilled and know the game and can play the game at a very high level to the degree that they challenge young prospects who are raw without being a bludgeon to their career. Those pieces in organizations and leagues are vital for real, actual prospects to play against. Losing out on those players could well hamper development of players in very meaningful ways. By all accounts, baseball is creating a generally better player on the field now in comparison to yesterday. The style of play may not be everyone’s favorite, but the players execute the current style very well. This is from being honed in MiLB against some players who are equal, some who are better, and some who are worse. Even the 24 year old SR drafted player taken in the 40th round can play a key cog in development of someone who becomes a star. Whether its something that player can teach but cant quite do routinely, himself, or whether its others seeing his deficiencies and learning to avoid them. The more players playing, the better. It provides immense learning experience and makes the game much more well rounded and competitive once the MLB level is reached. MLB is making money hand over fist. Even if there were good reasons to take these teams away, they have the money to support it … but the problem is, to the contrary, there are many better reasons to keep the teams and the players. And this is just from an immediate baseball perspective. Keeping jobs in Amerca’s game and butts in the seats and eyes on the field all over the country – in person – is vitally important to the long term health of the game.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  mkg2149

I played in college and I think the welfare benefits of having a smaller player pool in the minor leagues are obvious- too many marginal guys play the game for too long. That’s not the whole picture- but guys in their 5th year of low A ball should probably not still be trying to make the show.

mkg2149
6 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

I don’t think organizations allow too many guys to play several years in A ball without the organization having a reason for it occurring. If you can find evidence to the contrary outside of an outlier here or there, I’d be surprised because I don’t recall seeing it. I think you are missing the point here — organizations want “good” players on the field to compete against players who are actually prospects. Many times, minor league rosters are filled up with “good” high level college players who really don’t have the talent to move up to MLB. The point of these players is to play against the prospects on a day in and day out basis. Not everyone is a prospect, of course. You need guys there to play catch with the good players. Furthermore, many prospects need many years to grow into their bodies and actually become good players. You don’t want these players going thru a grinder where every player they play against during these formative years is smashing them into the ground. It destroys confidence and promotes bad habits. You need marginal MiLB players — who were actually decent or even very good college players but without the ceiling to be MLB players — to play against prospects during their formative years. There is a big picture to all of what goes on. Removing the teams, and the players that comprise them, will have unknown consequences on how prospects actually develop over the long term and may well lead to the game being worse by more players over time. The more baseball played underneath MLB, the better, for the highest level.

Matthew TobinMember since 2025
6 years ago

Why not just expand major league rosters and eliminate AAA?

It isn’t like “player development” occurs for 80% of the guys there. It is basically used a nearby place to store “shuttle players”, manipulate talented players service time, and send major leaguers on rehab assignments. If a few players remained in AA and a few were added to major league clubs, isn’t AAA just essentially a really good indie-league that is presented as something more to make money?

Jimmie Foxxalorian
6 years ago

Any way you slice it, having less baseball is bad for baseball.

I live in a town that tried to develop a park on a vacant lot for the purpose of moving one of these potentially closed minor league operations to.

That development was met with resistance from MLB because of the proximity to a major league stadium approximately 6 miles away, and has been nixed.

In a myriad of ways, MLB is missing great opportunities to grow the game organically in urban settings, which is hugely important to the long term health of the game.

Furthermore, from the department of redundancy, although this gets frequently said often, I am going to redundantly shout that the games, 1) begin too late, and 2) take too long.

Hey MLB! Suggestions for survival: Start games earlier. Treat it like airing an ABC After School Special. Don’t let hitters step out of the batters box. Have a limit on the number of pitching changes. And for the love of Skeeter Barnes, don’t close all these minor league ballparks! The small amount of money necessary to provide minor leaguers with meaningful raises and better working conditions is likely notably less than what most MLB teams expect to lose annually to corporate accounting miscues and stupid marketing ideas.

And yeah, because of the affordability, more kids go to minor league games, learn about the game, and some grow into future ball players when inspired by that experience.

Heck, say if even 1% of the 40 million who attended minor league games play ball at some point, that’s 400,000 ballplayers (regardless of age). You mess with that even a little, by closing 42 minor league parks, that may divert thousands of kids away from the sport even more than they already are by the plethora of other sport choices that are more amenable to watch and/or partake in.

MLB has gone off the rails, and this clearly just to cut costs for owners who already rake in cosmically huge amounts of cash.

First the juiced ball, and now this. What a short-sighted group of folks the MLB overlords must be!

dukewinslowMember since 2020
6 years ago

Were I running an MLB team I’d want my AAA affiliate as close as humanly possible. The resistance to doing that is puzzling.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago

its really sad, what manfred and owners are doing. cut the nose off to spite the face. so short sighted. Is there any way we can intervene and fire him?

First question should be asked on every decision he makes….does this grow the game? If the answer is no, then you don’t do it. Pretty simple

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago

these people running mlb are just so short sighted its sad. Whats going to happen when they expand a couple more mlb teams…..they gonna call 12 of these 40 and say “we are sorry, we were wrong want to be our minor league teams?” Manfred is a joke and needs to be fired asap. He is destroying MLB with MLBAM deal, this, and many other things i don’t have time to list.

Watch this list get smaller now. They’ll read my comment and say oh yeah…we need to keep a few if we are expanding. Lets only get rid of 30 now. These execs are dumb.

alexpbloomMember since 2019
6 years ago

Thanks for this. Great reporting. Great analysis. Great work. Really appreciate it.