The ’11 Rangers and ’98 Yankees – Equals?
As I wrote briefly yesterday, I think the Rangers have shown that they are probably the best team in baseball this year whether they win the World Series or not. What I didn’t realize yesterday is that this Rangers team might be historically good.
The 1998 Yankees are generally considered the best team in recent baseball history, as they won 114 regular season games and then went 11-2 in the playoffs, capturing a World Series title with ease. Combining the regular season and the postseason, they had a .714 winning percentage, a mark just shy of the .721 winning percentage posted by the legendary 1927 Yankees. The ’98 pinstriped squad outscored their opponents during the regular season by a stunning 299 runs, ranking #1 in the AL in both runs scored and runs allowed. For modern era teams, they essentially set the benchmark.
The 2011 Rangers can’t stack up next to that Yankees team in terms of winning percentage or even run differential, but an interesting thing happens when you begin to break down the roster into various components – the two teams end up looking very, very similar.
Let’s start with offensive production. The ’98 Yankees hit .288/.364/.460, good for a .361 wOBA. The ’11 Rangers hit .283/.340/.460, which equals out to a .348 wOBA – the average and power are pretty similar, but that Yankees team walked a lot more often, and thus, produced more runs. However, the run environment in 1998 was quite a bit higher than in 2011, and once you adjust for era and park effects, the Yankees advantage ends up being a bit smaller than you might think – a 117 wRC+ for NYY versus a 113 wRC+ for TEX. That Yankees team had a better offense than this Rangers team, but it’s actually pretty close.
So, what about pitching performance? The ’98 Yankees posted a 3.82 ERA, which given the offensive levels of the time, translates into an ERA- of 85. The ’11 Rangers team ERA is slightly lower at 3.79, but that advantage goes away when you adjust for offensive levels of the time – their ERA- is 88, again slightly worse than what the Yankees put up. What’s more interesting to me is how similar the underlying pitching metrics are; the Rangers FIP- of 93 was basically equal to the Yankees FIP- of 94. Breaking it down further:
BB%:
’98 Yankees: 7.6%
’11 Rangers: 7.7%
K%:
’98 Yankees: 17.7%
’11 Rangers: 19.6%
HR/9:
’98 Yankees: 0.96
’11 Rangers: 1.06
BABIP:
’98 Yankees: .277
’11 Rangers: .278
Their walk rates and batting average on balls in play are basically identical, while the Rangers are slightly better at striking out opposing hitters and the Yankees slightly better at keeping the ball in the park. Still, the margins here are really small, and it’s tough to say that one staff was demonstrably better than the other.
Of course, not all run prevention is pitching, so we have to talk about the relative defensive merits of each team as well. Unfortunately, we don’t have batted ball data for 1998, so we can’t calculate UZR for that Yankees team. Total Zone, which is built off of data that is available for years prior to 2002, rates the ’98 Yankees as a good-but-not-great defensive team, putting them at +26 runs above average with the glove. UZR has essentially the same opinion of the ’11 Rangers, rating them +28 runs above average this season.
Given that both teams posted basically the same BABIP, it’s not overly hard to believe that they were similarly effective defensively, though an eyeball test may suggest that the Rangers roster (with Adrian Beltre and Elvis Andrus especially) looks better on paper than the Yankees roster that featured Derek Jeter at shortstop and Bernie Williams in center field. Still, Scott Brosius was a good glove guy, and there’s nothing definitive to say that one team was obviously better defensively than the other, so the reasonable conclusion here is probably that it’s something of a push.
In looking at hitting, pitching, and fielding, we essentially come out with a slight advantage for NYY in run production and something pretty close to a draw in run prevention. Overall, these two teams look very similar, and that’s how total team WAR sees it as well. The +61.9 WAR put up by the ’98 Yankees is the best of any World Series team in the last 20 years, but the Rangers are right on their heels at +60.7, the only other team to post +60 WAR and make the World Series since 1990.
Still, it’s hard to get away from the fact that the Yankees won 18 more regular season games, right? How did that happen if the difference between the two is just an offense that is marginally better at drawing walks?
It essentially comes down to timely hitting. Here’s their respective offensive batting lines with the bases empty, men on base, and runners in scoring position:
No one on:
’98 Yankees: .818 OPS
’11 Rangers: .821 OPS
Men on base:
’98 Yankees: .832 OPS
’11 Rangers: .774 OPS
RISP:
’98 Yankees: .860 OPS
’11 Rangers: .805 OPS
The two teams hit essentially the same with the bases empty, but the Yankees turned their game up a notch with men on base, and then really pounded the ball with men in scoring position. This is pretty normal, by the way – most teams hit better in those situations than they do with the bases empty. The 2011 Rangers didn’t follow that model, however – they did their best work against pitchers working from the wind-up, and then failed to perform as well when they had chances to drive them in.
If the Rangers had received the standard boost while hitting with men on base, they would have scored significantly more runs than they actually did. That 110 run advantage in runs scored that the ’98 Yankees have over the ’11 Rangers greatly exaggerates the actual difference between the two teams offensive prowess – timely hitting is generally not something that shows any predictive value, and we shouldn’t expect that the Rangers will continue to struggle with men on base relative to their bases empty performance going forward.
Of course, those timely hits did actually happen, and in terms of historical retrospectives, the ’98 Yankees do deserve credit for doing what the ’11 Rangers did not do. I’m not trying to argue that this Rangers team had as good of a season as that Yankees team did, but I will suggest that, going into the World Series, the Cardinals should probably understand that their opponent performed pretty similarly to one of the best teams of all time. This Rangers team might not have won 100 regular season games, but they showed all the markings of a true juggernaut, and it’s going to be a significant challenge for the Cardinals to knock them off. The 96 regular season wins almost certainly underestimates just how good the 2011 Rangers really are.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
so the 11 rangers are not as good as the 98 yankees
thanks for answering a question that we already knew the answer to
I’m confused, is this supposed to be funny?
If you’re confused by that I’m not exactly sure how you are able to use the internet.
I’m with you.
jon is trying really hard.
Isn’t performance with men on base a sort of line up card quality question? i.e. if you fill in the card right you do better with RISP than without.
also 98 was an expansion year i believe
Clutch hitting bro…thats why the Yanks got ringzzzzzzzz
Shane Spencer.
.537 ISO
’nuff said
3 grand slams in 9 games. A thing of beauty.
Gotta get those clicks, gotta pay those bills. The B/R model in action.
In conclusion, it looks like you are saying that the 2011 Rangers true talent level was nearly equal to that of the Yankees, but their performance lagged a bit due to not producing with men on base or RISP.
Yes?
I’m pointing out that their context-neutral performance is nearly identical, and the difference in wins is basically due to context-specific performance. If you’re trying to judge “who did better?”, then context-specific performance counts a lot. If you’re trying to judge “who is better”, then it counts a lot less.
Got it. Thanks for the article, great stuff.
That and Mariano Rivera.
Despite the negative criticism…. Nice article Dave, very interesting I had no idea that Rangers were an “underperforming 96 win team.”
The 2011 Rangers put up 1.2 fewer WAR than the 1998 Yankees, and won 18 fewer games. They also put up 0.7 more WAR than the 2011 Yankees, and won one fewer game. So the Rangers are more similar to the 2011 Yankees than the 1998 Yankees. The only reason why you are comparing the two teams is that the Rangers are in the WS. That’s fine, but you think that clutch hitting should be adjusted away because it has no predictive value, but you value making the World Series when comparing teams? This doesn’t make sense to me, especially because the outcomes in the playoffs are often determined by “clutch” hitting in very small samples.
’98 Yanks went 11-2 in the playoffs not 9-2.
It’s obvious to say that team couldn’t (and didn’t in ’99) the 1998 effort, but you’re using measurements that can predict what may regress in the future. The things that the 1998 Yankees did, did happen, whether or not it was likely to happen again.
“repeat” should be in that first line after “couldn’t”.
No one is arguing that. If you want to conclude that the 1998 Yankees had a more successful season than the 2011 Rangers, that’s fine with me. That’s not the question I’m interested in.
I wonder what the best team effort was in some combination of wRC+, ERA- and FIP-, WAR, etc. Because you are basically taking the most successful team, as you put it, and measuring it up sabermerically to the Rangers, which is cool, but if we’re looking at solely saber stats, lets compare them to the teams that really did have the best season by that measure.
Do the Rangers get any bonus points for only “buying” one player on their roster?
The Yankees purchased multiple established players for their 98 squad.
Yeah. Precisely 38.293887 bonus points. Happy now?
It’s really disgusting when rival teams buy talent, isn’t it?
How is Great Soviet Union?
No.
Your criticism of the Yankees as a franchise for “purchasing multiple established players” may have some validity. For the 1998 team, it makes almost no sense at all. At least 12 of the players on that team came up with the Yankees, including most of the core performers: Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, Bernie Williams, Ricky Ledee, Homer Bush, Orlando Hernandez, Shane Spencer, Ramiro Mendoza, etc. Many of the players were acquired through trades, but were dirt cheap in trades that anyone could have made: Scott Brosius, Chad Curtis, Jeff Nelson, Tino Martinez, etc. Darryl Strawberry was a reclamation project who dropped off the team because he got cancer; he was dirt cheap because no one else wanted him.
About the only true “hired guns” on that team were David Cone and David Wells. Oh, and Hideki Irabu, who was their #5 starter. It really wasn’t the same kind of bloated, unsubtle behemoth that the Yankees have become over the past 10 years. They were almost an NL “little ball” team – in “the year of the HR” the Yankees’ team leader (Tino Martinez) had a grand total of 28 home runs. But they were certainly a great team, the peak year of a six year dynasty. I’ve seen the 2011 Rangers, I like the 2011 Rangers – but just because you can juggle some numbers and get them to line up within shouting distance of the 1998 Yankees, don’t make the mistake of asserting any true equivalency between the teams.
And they originally traded for Cone.
No.
You could make basically all the same points about the 2011 Yankees.
Well, that wasn’t the story though, was it?
I’m confused by the reference to 1998 Bernie Williams as a poor defender.
Obviously late career Bernie Williams has filled our memories with visions of stumbling incompetence, but young Bernie could certainly go get ’em. He never had the greatest instincts, but when he was young, he had the wheels to outrun his mistakes.
I’m not sure 1998 Derek Jeter was a poor defender either, but that’s a whole different can of worms…
i don’t know how you can talk about the 2011 rangers without mentioning their division.
explain how the 2011 yankees are worse than the 2011 rangers.
Why? He already said they’re better. Just not as much better as you’d think.
Just guess, how many wins does it cost you to be AL East vs AL Central.
The poor 2001 Mariners are left out of the discussion again….and by a Mariners fan!
because im sure there is no team in the history of the game that was as good as the 01 mariners to dave
it would be like comparing the 27 yankees to the 11 astros
No, I presume it’s because those Mariners went nowhere in the playoffs. Texas and New York both made it to the World Series, making the comparison more apt.
why is this a question that needed to be asked? especially because the conclusion ended up being the one we all already knew.
So you knew that the only reason the 1998 Yankees won more games than the 2011 Rangers was situational hitting, a likely unsustainable difference?
Wow, you’re good.
you can’t compare WAR based on TZ and completely missing baserunning against WAR based on UZR and UBR and claim it’s fair
Also: Defensive Efficiency ’11 TEX .722 ’98 NYY .723
There was no BSR in the WAR totals back in 98, looks like the Rangers are getting a 2.3win bump. Hard to say what the ’98 Yankees BSR would have been.
Couple that with having to use a total zone based defensive component vs a UZR based one and the WAR comparisons are problematic.
Dave if you wanted to actually do a WAR comparison why not strip out the BSR component and use a total zone defensive component for the ’11 Rangers?
I think the 2011 Rangers are about as good as the 2011 Yankees.
Hmm, the 2011 Yankees had a better run differential than the 2011 Rangers, and beat them 7 out of 9. So if the 2011 Rangers = the 1998 Yankees, does that make the 2011 Yankees = the 2001 Mariners?
Good job on writing a Yankees related post to generate pageviews! We certainly don’t get enough Yankee related stuff on this site.
On your next post, can you write about the arbitrary Yankee team vs arbitrary non-Yankee team?
Good job clicking on it to give them that pageview. You can’t be part of the solution when you’re part of the problem.
Jeez people stop bitching. It was a good article. Thanks Dave.
The Red Sox hit for a 116 wRC+. So…..that didn’t come up?
nevermind, I didn’t read the whole article. Total fail.
Actually the Rangers would have been better had Hamilton not missed 40 games, Beltre missed 38 games, and Cruz in addition missing 38 games(and struggling his last games before the postseason.) Not saying better than the 98 Yankees though.
Beltre – In 487 at bats: .296 BA, 32 HRs, 105 RBI, 82 runs, 5.7 WAR
Cruz – 475 at bats: .263(but was catching fire), 29 HR’s, 87 RBI
Hamilton – 487 at bats: .298 BA, 25 homeruns, 31 doubles, 4.2 WAR
And on defense Beltre is the best third baseman, Hamilton is one of the more valuable defensive players(has a gun but few test his arm), and Cruz has a canon in right field as well.
C- Napoli would beat out Posada this season
1B- Tino Martinez beats the Rangers
2B- Kinsler beats out Knobs easily on D and with his offense
SS- Jeter beats out Andrus but not defensively
3B- Beltre should get the gold glove and silver slugger
RF- Cruz and O’Neill would be equal since it his 3rd best season
LF- Hamilton destroys Curtis obviously
CF- Bernie over Chavez
DH-Young over Strawberry
Starting pitching:
Yankees would win out with pitching with Wells being awesome that year, Cone having a throw-back season, Pettitte having an okay but solid for that year type season, and El Duque having by far his best year(should have been the ROY.)
Bullpen:
Yankees just beat out the Rangers only due to Rivera.
Defense:
Rangers… the Yankees had two get the gold glove, one being Mussina, the other was Bernie Williams who really didn’t deserve it since Lofton had 19 assists to 4, and 4 double plays. He was around 6 feet, had a gun for an arm til he hurt in 2000 plus had a 42 inch vertical stealing long balls. But Andrus, errors and all, has insane range, a strong arm, and had more double plays, put outs, assists in less innings played than Jeter that year. Kinsler in far less chances has 103 double plays turned, and has insane range but doesn’t get credit for it. Beltre is the best defensive 3rd baseman, and the Rangers have power arms in the outfield. All have above average speed even if Chavez is not out there, and Murphy has above average speed. Hamilton has insane speed but isn’t recognized for it, and Cruz is faster than he looks with a gun for an arm.
Speed:
It’s basically a wash due to the Rangers having so many nagging injuries, but they’re younger overall.
Lineup:
Rangers… they have a legitimate 30/30 guy leading off who steals bases at an 86 percent clip, have people who can hit 550 foot bombs batting 6th and 7th(Cruz and Napoli), and platoon a guy who hits .280, 14 HRs, 23 2Bs, gets 60 RBI and 10 steals a game who can hit anywhere from 5th to 9th in the lineup. The 98 Yankees only outdo them in the number 2 spot with Jeter and using Bernie Williams in their clean up spot. In 128 games, having a guy who wins the batting title while getting 26 homeruns, driving in 97, stealing 15 bases and adding 5 triples. But with a catcher who hits .320, has 30 bombs in less than 400 at-bats and Hamilton this is easy.
Better team? Yankees. Why? Their pitchers did that back with roids coming up and Tino Martinez led them with 28 that season. Wells, Mussina and Cone don’t seem like they were juiced up either.
Baseball-Reference has the Rangers at 50.4 WAR this season, which seems a lot more in line with a 96-win team. Every batter in the Rangers’ lineup with the exception of Beltre has a significantly higher WAR on Fangraphs than B-R. Since B-R’s numbers seem to more accurately reflect what really happened, I have to ask, “What gives?”
fangraph WAR overvalues defense
Wow! A lot of anger for my comment about the Yankees “purchasing” players.
I actually meant it more as a compliment to the Rangers than a shot at the Yankees.
It’s very impressive that these Rangers are in the conversation about the best teams of all time, especially when they’re primarily built their team from within along with some very shrewd trades.
And (I’m treading lightly here so be gentle) I don’t consider the Josh Hamilton trade to be equivalent to say, the Chuck Knoblauch trade. Knoblauch was a proven commodity. The Yankees knew what they were getting. They essentially sent the Twins some prospects for the right to sign Knoblauch as a free agent. The Hamilton, Napoli, Andrus trades, etc are very different in that respect.