The 2018 Free-Agent Landmines

Yesterday, we covered my five favorite buys in this free-agent class relative to their expected contracts. Today, we’re doing the other side of the coin, looking at five players I wouldn’t have any interest in signing at the prices they’re likely to command this winter.

This exercise is a little easier than finding bargains. Last year, I highlighted Mark Trumbo, Kendrys Morales, Mark Melancon, Edwin Encarnacion, and Matt Wieters as the players to avoid. Those five combined for a grand total of +0.8 WAR in 2017 despite Encarnacion accounting for +2.5 WAR all by himself — and Encarnacion notably signed for significantly less than was expected. If we knew he was going to get three years, $60 million, he wouldn’t have made the landmine list.

While the game has gotten significantly better about allocating resources to legitimately good players, there are still some cases where blindspots exist, and these guys were the representation of those overvaluations last year.

Who are the five guys who you probably don’t want to win a bidding war for this year? Let’s find out.

Contract Estimate
Type Years AAV Total
Dave Cameron 2 $10.0 M $20.0 M
Median Crowdsource 2 $11.0 M $22.0 M
Avg Crowdsource 2.3 $10.4 M $23.6 M
2018 Steamer Forecast
Age IP BB% K% GB% ERA FIP xFIP WAR RA9-WAR
31 138.0 8.6% 15.3% 47.1% 5.00 4.94 4.97 0.9 0.7

Of the 75 pitchers who threw 150-plus innings in 2017, 74 of them posted lower contact rates than Andrew Cashner. Cashner just entirely stopped missing bats last year, focusing on trying to generate weak contact instead. It sort of worked, as he got his fly-ball exit velocity down from 94.0 mph in 2016 to 91.2 mph last year, but despite getting weaker fly balls, the total lack of strikeouts just isn’t worth it.

Unless you think Cashner can sustain a .213 BABIP with men on base and a .171 BABIP with runners in scoring position — he can’t, by the way — he’s just going to give up a lot more runs even with weaker contact. In this day and age, a 12% strikeout rate just doesn’t cut it, especially for a guy who has a worse-than-average walk rate.

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Ten years ago, Cashner would have turned his 3.40 ERA into a nice contract, but the league has stopped paying for ERA like it used to, and Cashner’s lack of strikeouts is going to keep interest somewhat contained. Even still, any multi-year commitment could look quite silly by mid-season if hitters keep making contact at the rate they did against Cashner last year. And there’s not even the floor of a guy who eats innings, since Cashner has a long history of health problems. At anything more than one year, I’d expect Cashner to be a disappointment for his signing club.

4. Eduardo Nunez, 2B/3B/SS
Contract Estimate
Type Years AAV Total
Dave Cameron 2 $10.0 M $20.0 M
Median Crowdsource 3 $11.0 M $33.0 M
Avg Crowdsource 2.9 $11.2 M $32.9 M
2018 Steamer Forecast
Age PA BB% K% AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ Off Def WAR
31 490 4.9% 13.9% .287 .325 .439 .326 100 0.6 0.0 1.7

At the contract for which I’ve forecast him — two years, $20 million — Nunez would probably be a non-offensive signing, a slightly overpaid utility guy who can at least provide some versatility. But if the crowd is right and he gets 3/$33M, the winning bidder is likely to wonder what they were thinking.

While he’s been worth north of +2 WAR each of the last two seasons, no player had a larger gap between his results and his expected outcomes based on Statcast data last year. His .275 xwOBA ranked 138th out of 143 hitters with at least 450 plate appearances in 2017, ahead of five guys who are only in the lineup because of their speed or defense.

Nunez isn’t slow, but he’s not an elite runner, and his defense has generally graded out poorly everywhere. If his offensive results in 2018 look more like his expected results in 2017, Nunez will quickly play himself out of a job in the first year of his contract. His versatility and stolen-base ability make him a decent bench guy, but he’s one or two lost steps away from replacement level. This isn’t the guy you want to sign into his mid-30s.

3. Lance Lynn, RHP
Contract Estimate
Type Years AAV Total
Dave Cameron 3 $16.0 M $48.0 M
Median Crowdsource 4 $15.0 M $60.0 M
Avg Crowdsource 3.6 $14.7 M $53.2 M
2018 Steamer Forecast
Age IP BB% K% GB% ERA FIP xFIP WAR RA9-WAR
31 150.0 9.2% 19.3% 42.6% 4.67 4.73 4.82 1.3 1.4

Lynn’s last three seasons — which occurred over the last four years, since he was sidelined in 2016 after Tommy John surgery — have established him as one of the game’s foremost FIP-beaters. His 3.06 ERA is 80 points better than his 3.86 FIP during that stretch, and 109 points better than his 4.15 xFIP. Both represent the largest gaps in baseball among starters with 500 or more innings. After three straight years of posting excellent ERAs with mediocre peripherals, it might be tempting to think that Lynn is one of the guys for whom the ERA estimators just don’t work.

Don’t buy it, though. More complicated metrics like DRA don’t see anything here to support Lynn as a true-talent frontline starter. Statcast puts his xwOBA at .310, placing him in the same tier of NL starters as Tanner Roark, Taijuan Walker, and Trevor Williams. These are useful pitchers, to be sure, and Lynn has his strengths, but he’s a fastball-heavy right-hander who has stopped getting chases out of the zone and is still awful against left-handed hitters.

The NL Central happens to be pretty right-handed offensively, so Lynn faced a proportional mix of RHBs and LHBs last year, but if Lynn ends up in a division where managers can force him to regularly have to get left-handers out, his numbers could suffer.

I wouldn’t mind him at back-end-starter prices, something like 3/$36M, but Derrick Goold speculated that he’s looking for Jordan Zimmermann money and expects to get over $100 million. I don’t think he gets anywhere near that, but the crowd is projecting around $55-$60 million and others have guessed as high as $75 million. If he gets anywhere near those prices, I want no part of his deal, especially with a TJ surgery on the resume. Lynn is a solid pitcher whom most teams could use in their rotation, but if he wants to get paid like a frontline guy, run away.

2. Greg Holland, RHP
Contract Estimate
Type Years AAV Total
Dave Cameron 3 $15.0 M $45.0 M
Median Crowdsource 3 $12.0 M $36.0 M
Avg Crowdsource 3.0 $12.5 M $37.1 M
2018 Steamer Forecast
Age IP BB% K% GB% ERA FIP xFIP WAR RA9-WAR
32 65.0 10.4% 25.8% 43.6% 4.14 4.06 4.00 0.9 1.1

If you look at Holland’s monthly splits, you can talk yourself into his results being dragged down by just one lousy month. In August, he allowed a .455 wOBA and ran a 13.50 ERA; in every other month, he ran a wOBA allowed under .300 and an ERA under 2.25. For five of the six months, he got outs and saves, at times looking like the dominant relief ace he was in Kansas City.

But the reality is that several of Holland’s good months were high-wire save acts, and this version of Holland only really has one trick that works: throw a slider in the dirt and hope the batter chases it. It’s a good slider, most of the time, and gets enough strikeouts for him to get by, but Holland no longer misses bats in the zone like he used to. If hitters can manage to take his slider, he doesn’t have much else with which to go after them.

A slider-heavy 32-year-old with a recent history of arm problems isn’t someone to whom I want to give a big contract, but he’ll probably get a nice deal based on his track record and the 41 saves he racked up in Coors last year. And maybe he’ll trust his fastball more when he’s not pitching in Colorado. It wouldn’t surprise me much if Holland were just fine again in 2018.

But Holland walked away from a $15 million player option for 2018 because he wants that kind of salary in a long-term deal, and you can imagine his representatives will be comparing him to Mark Melancon while asking for similar money. I doubt he gets the fourth year, but even at three years, there’s too much risk here for me. I want my highly paid relief aces to have a plan of attack besides throwing breaking balls out of the zone.

Contract Estimate
Type Years AAV Total
Dave Cameron 6 $21.0 M $126.0 M
Median Crowdsource 5 $19.0 M $95.0 M
Avg Crowdsource 5.5 $19.1 M $104.4 M
2018 Steamer Forecast
Age PA BB% K% AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ Off Def WAR
28 651 9.8% 17.9% .289 .359 .482 .357 121 16.0 -10.7 2.7

It isn’t that hard to see why scouts like Eric Hosmer. He makes contact, hits the ball hard, and runs much better than most guys who play the position. And his small-market team reached the World Series two years in a row, so it’s easy to draw up a narrative about how he has magic winning beans or something.

But Hosmer is also now 28 years old, has over 4,000 plate appearances in the big leagues, and has a career wRC+ of 111. For the sake of comparison, here are other players who have the same adjusted batting line since 2011, Hosmer’s rookie year: Matt Adams, Todd Frazier, David Freese, Chase Headley, Howie Kendrick, and Josh Reddick. None of those guys are seen as franchise superstars. For the bulk of Hosmer’s career, he’s been a slightly above-average hitter while playing a position where hitting is the primary job description.

Using career numbers is a bit unfair to Hosmer, since aggregating everything puts equal weight on his terrible 2012 season as his excellent 2017 season, and obviously those two shouldn’t be counted as equals. But even just looking at the last three seasons, his 120 wRC+ ties him with Chris Davis. It puts him one point ahead of Lucas Duda, and two points ahead of Carlos Santana, whose contract he’s expected to dwarf.

Hosmer’s big 2017 offensive season was mostly driven by a .351 BABIP, and Statcast doesn’t support a batted-ball profile that can sustain those results. He still hits the ball on the ground far too often to really tap into his power, and while maybe another organization can tweak the swing enough to get more production, they’ll have to pay like he’s already made that adjustment in order to have the chance to try.

If Hosmer were really an elite defensive first baseman, that would be one thing. But the numbers suggest otherwise. Whatever you think of UZR and DRS, a lot of their problems tend to get washed away once a player has played 9,000 innings in the field, as Hosmer has, and his career totals put him at -29 UZR and -21 DRS. Even if you think those figures are selling him short, you’re still looking at a conclusion that he’s maybe a slightly above-average defender even if the systems are wildly underrating him. It’s almost impossible to believe that he’s really a great defender who has just been incorrectly rated as a poor one for seven straight years.

None of this makes Hosmer a bad player. Steamer projects him for +2.7 WAR in 2018, and you can round that up to +3 pretty easily if you think that UZR is low on his fielding abilities. He’s an above-average big leaguer in the prime of his career, coming off the best season of his career, so Hosmer should get a nice contract this winter.

But a nice contract for this kind of skillset would be $80 or $90 million. I guessed that he’s actually going to get $125 million. Jon Heyman projected $160 million. At those kinds of prices, Hosmer could very easily become one of the most overpaid players in baseball, especially if he continues to just pound balls into the ground.

There’s enough youth and upside here that a team can rationally justify $20 million a year for four years, but once they pass either of those marks, they’d very likely be better off just signing one of the cheaper first baseman and throwing the difference at another quality free agent. Especially if the price gets up to $150 million; for that kind of money, you might be able to sign both Carlos Santana and Lorenzo Cain, and it’s not clear that Hosmer is definitively better than either one of those two, much less both of them.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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Ecofolux
8 years ago

I’m dreading the Hosmer signing

Jason BMember since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  Ecofolux

If he goes to a competitor I’m not! C’mon Red Sox…

ItsPoPtime
8 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

He had better NOT go the Sox above a guy like Santana or Duda at much lower prices

The sox front office generally make good signings and Pablo was the one that worked out terribly.

rounders
8 years ago
Reply to  ItsPoPtime

Even Hosmer in a good year simply does not address the Rid Sox power issues, so getting tied to him on a long contract holds no appeal even at a lesser price.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  rounders

The JD Martinez-to-Red Sox signing makes so much sense it will be a serious surprise if he goes anywhere else.

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Ecofolux

The Hosmer thing is interesting in the context of the Heyward valuation from 2 years ago. Hosmer seems to be accruing much of his value from his age (28) in much the same way that Heyward did then. Yes, Heyward also had plus defensive value but the bats are/were similar.

So it’s interesting that Dave, who was very bullish on Heyward, is conversely bearish on Hosmer. I happen to agree with him on Hosmer, but I was also a big skeptic of Heyward getting such a big valuation 2 years ago.

Paul Kasiński
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Hosmer’s WARs over his past three seasons: 3.5, -0.1, 4.1. Heyward’s WARs over his three seasons before free agency: 3.4, 5.1, 6.1. That’s the difference.

dl80Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul Kasiński

Dooduh’s point was that the bats were similar, and they were.

The big difference is that Hosmer is average to below average at the easiest defensive position, while Heyward is (or was) the best in the league at the 3rd easiest position. That’s where the difference in value comes in.

That being said, Dooduh is right that Hosmer and Heyward in the 3 years before their deals were very similar on offense.

tuna411
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul Kasiński

heywards WAR since he signed: 1.5, 0.9

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Totally wear these down votes like a badge of honor! LOL

Never understood the up or downing others in lieu of an actual response.

Luy
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Would you really rather (at the time of commenting) 22 people all responded by saying the same thing?

Hosmer and Heyward aren’t very similar. Different positions. Different WAR values leading to free agency. Different strengths that led to those different WAR values. The fact that last year the market showed little interest in 1B but no such RF aversion occurred before Heyward’s signing. The fact that Hosmer is pretty one dimensional and Heyward was lauded for being a multi-faceted performer. I could go on…but you’ve already given yourself a badge for getting this one right, so I’ll stop.

Never understood people who revel in whatever it is that you’re doing here.

pumpsie greenMember since 2022
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

The down-votes are likely in response to a perceived personal attack on the author of this column. Perhaps instead of thumbing your nose at the writer, you could have let everyone know how much smarter you are than the entire Cubs organization, the ones who paid ($184M?) to make the same error. I’m sure Theo has an AGM seat all warmed up for you!

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  pumpsie green

That may be your slanted take on what I said, but if you re-read it without your pre-conceived bias, you might see that there was no such condescension in it at all.

‘Thumbing my nose at the writer’ shows where your head is at.

Johnny Dickshot
8 years ago
Reply to  pumpsie green

Oh, my downvote was because it was a dumb comment/comparison, irrespective of any nose-thumbing.

I suspect that many people just downvote dumb comments and move on rather than wasting time responding to someone who knowingly wears their stupidity as a badge of honor.

jdbolickMember since 2024
8 years ago

If you’re going to call someone else’s post “stupidity,” then you really should explain what you believe is stupid about it. Insulting someone without explanation deserves more downvotes than anything else in this comments section.

Dooduh
8 years ago

Yikes! A lot of hostility in here.

I wonder why people come here looking to jump so quickly into ad hominems.

‘Look at the interesting similarities between Hosmer and Heyward…’

‘No, and you are dumb and stupid.’

Ahhh, ok…. LOL.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

You are simply not nearly enough important to warrant an actual response to each comment.

Dooduh
8 years ago

Ah, okaaay…. LOL

wilkie
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Heyward was considerably better and two years younger.

The defensive difference was also on the order of about 30 runs, which happens to also be the difference between Hosmer’s 2017 offensive value and that of a league-average hitter…

Chicago Mark
8 years ago

How much do Hosmers offensive numbers go up in a better hitting situation? Hasn’t Kaufman Stadium always hurt some of his numbers? Would he do better in say Boston or Yankee Stadium? I do understand the Yankees aren’t in the mix for a first baseman. Just asking the question. I’m not even certain how much better he could do (by war) in these situations. Do GM’s even look at this?

CC AFCMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Chicago Mark

The wRC+ stat that Dave cited accounts for park factors so theoretically you would not expect that to change regardless of where he goes even though the surface stats might change.

Chicago Mark
8 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Oh! Old man still hanging on to ERA and wins and batting average here. Ha! Thanks for the reply Tom.

Paul Clarke
8 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Also, Kaufman is hitter-friendly, it’s just not homer-friendly.

EonADSMember since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul Clarke

Yep. The big outfield is a boon for doubles and gap hitters. And it’s hot in Missouri a lot of the time, so lifting the ball is somewhat easier.

ShauncoreMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul Clarke

And the most important point: groundballs are groundballs at every stadium, not just Kauffman. Even moving him to Coors Field isn’t going to turn grounders into homers.

Paul G.Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

In theory, he should be the same value. In practice, we know this is not true in all cases. Some players are simply better suited to some ballparks than others. Bill James likes to compare Bill Dickey, whose bat was very well suited to Yankee Stadium, and Elston Howard, whose bat was very not suited to Yankee Stadium, as an illustration. The old turf parks definitely benefited some skill sets more than others compared to grass fields. Whether this applies to Hosmer in any significant way I have no idea.

Bat
8 years ago

Great article Dave – small point, but it would probably be even more accurate to say that Holland walked away from a $17.4 million qualifying offer rather than the $15 million player option?

Better makes the point that he thinks that he’s worth more, and therefore better illustrates your misgivings?

carterMember since 2020
8 years ago

I agree with everyone except Lance Lynn. I tend to think Lynn is a prime example of why you should look at stats from more than one site, i.e bref also. Stark differences, since he has beat his fip. If you think Roark is the same quality of pitcher as Lynn, pm me because I am selling this bridge.

phealy48
8 years ago
Reply to  carter

He did look at stats from other sites though… DRA is from baseball prospectus, and is generally better at isolating true talent level than plain FIP.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  phealy48

Tell me more about DRA. I’ve been a big SIERA proponent, but I just googled DRA and it looks really great (at the least, a really good complement to FIP/SIERA)

Enlightening RoundMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Search Jonathon Judge on Baseball Prospectus, he wrote the article I remember explaining it in detail

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

Holy cow. This is kind of like what they do for pitchers in bWAR except it looks better.

One thing I’ll say is that we haven’t had a lot of time for it to prospectively predict future performance. If it was introduced in 2015, then we’ve only had a short period of time to have out of prediction samples. The thing I like about it is that it seems like it adjusts for changing eras, which is a huge flaw in a lot of (overfitted) pitching estimators.

After reading this, here are my quick thoughts:
-SIERA has a much, much longer track record and so I still think it’s the go-to…for now.
-DRA has the potential to be much better, and early returns seem encouraging. Probably worth looking at to cross-check against SIERA a the minimum.

phealy48
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Sadtrombone, this is my response to your comment beginning with “holy cow.” I think DRA has been tested enough to show that it is probably the *best* pitching evaluator. However, its complexity(compared to FIP and even SIERA) prevents its expanded use because even people who read Fangraphs would scoff at it. IMO, maybe you can explain to me, I almost never see any difference between SIERA and xFIP(or even FIP). I have actually caluculated SIERA myself for some minor league games, and I don’t find it too neccesary. I think SIERA is too complicated without adding a lot. I would like to hear what you think, sadtrombone(nice name).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  phealy48

I’d answer it this way: SIERA is a souped up FIP. It’s allows for more nonlinearity and it includes information on balls in play (different rewards for groundballs and flyballs). These are good things, and it is much better at predicting future performance on out-of-sample predictions.
It is park-adjusted to boot (of course, so is FIP-). And it’s not that complicated to calculate either (you could set it up to calculate pretty easily in R or Stata or numPy). Most of the time, yeah, it has a similar outcome to FIP, but that’s not surprising given that they have the similar inputs.

Realistically, FIP is outdated now that SIERA is around. But it’s much better for comparing across eras than bWAR because it doesn’t rely on different defensive metrics over time and SIERA doesn’t go back that far. I’d totally support a SIERA-based pitching WAR.

DRA is doing something really different. It’s actually spiritually more similar to bWAR, but bWAR is a hot mess because its adjustments for defense is a hot mess and because they overfit it to the testing sample. So when run environments change, the coefficients are all wrong (which is why it isn’t predictive…it’s becuase it doesn’t capture the underlying construct well). On the other hand, DRA uses a mixed model which adjusts by year, which has the possibility to be far better (they also use better inputs than bWAR).

One of the issues with DRA is that it seems like it would really struggle with determining the value of a specific, outlier season. The Randy Johnson/Pedro Martinez type seasons. I read the Jonathan Judge article and he argued that DRA will do a much better job of predicting the whole population, but not the outliers…and I wholeheartedly agree. I suspect it has to do with the complexity of the formula, so maybe it’s not the best for figuring out Cy Young winners.

The other issue is yes, I still think there’s not much in the way of out-of-sample prediction. Not unless they split it into two samples when they ran it, one to identify the regression coefficients and a second one for out-of-sample testing. This is because the genius of DRA is that it varies from year to year, so if they used it for out-of-sample predictions in 2016 and 2017 we only know how the year-by-year adjustment works in two separate years.

Oh, and unlike SIERA or FIP, DRA is probably awful to calculate, since you have to run the mixed model to get how the coefficients change from year to year. This is not an argument against it, I’m totally fine with running a model, but it means I’m not doing it myself.

tl;dr…I trust SIERA more but I like what DRA is doing and want to see how it does.

phealy48
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Sadtrombone, I think it would be better to either go simple(FIP) or “go complex”(with DRA) than use something that communicates similar information as xFIP and FIP, but is fairly difficult to calculate. I think using R to compute a statistic is too complicated for even readers of Fangraphs.

I don’t think SIERA does any better at identifying outliers. Brad Ziegler is an extreme outlier, yet SIERA gives him a career 3.24 while his ERA is 2.61. DRA gives him a 3, and that is on the RA9 scale I believe. My bad if that’s not what you meant by outlier 🙂

I still prefer using FIP because it is good enough and can be calculated in less than 30 seconds. I like using DRA for Lance Lynn arguments. The beauty of sabermetrics is that there can never be a perfect stat, because each one can offer different information. If one stat was perfect, Fangraphs wouldn’t exist.
This debate has been interesting because I have never met someone who has really supported SIERA. If everyone was the same, life would be boring 🙂

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  phealy48

I think the reason why people don’t support SIERA is because it isn’t incorporated into WAR analyses. The argument is always RA9 versus bWAR’s adjusted version of RA9 versus FIP. SIERA doesn’t even come into the picture.

What I like is that SIERA has similar predictive power as xFIP (actually better) but isn’t based on a counterfactual scenario…it is based on things that actually happen, it incorporates some batted ball information, and is still fielding independent. When you have something that is that good at predicting the future and is based on things that actually happened, that means you’ve hit on something really good at measuring player value.

By outliers, I mean single-season outliers. I was looking at the list of the greatest single seasons of all time and it’s pretty obvious that DRA does some weird things with truly amazing single seasons. Over a career I am fairly confident DRA is going to do better than in single seasons.

I just don’t think SIERA is that much more complicated than FIP. They are both just linear combinations, using coeficients from a regression equation. All you have to do is write a program that spits out the score based on the inputs. In contrast, DRA (I think?) is way more complicated because you have to run the model every time to get the random variables by year. Random effects models are lovely for predictions (they’re essentially simple Bayesian models, which can be very accurate if you’ve got someone good) but they’re not something the modal person can do at home. Most people don’t have any idea what a mixed model is, much less how to do it.

phealy48
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

What Enlightening Round said. To summarize, DRA attempts to look at a pitcher’s contributions to every part of the run-scoring prcoess, and isolates their K and BB contributions by taking out framing, umpire, and ballpark effects on these things. Ditto with HRs. The unique thing is that it does an exceptional job at predicting BABIP year to year for pitchers, which is what makes it special. However, DRA meausres what a pitcher DID. If you want something even more predictive, look at cFIP. I always look at a pitcher’s cFIP when making projections. BP simply does a better job with projections(in my opinion) than Fangraphs, but Fangraphs’ stats are wayyyy easier to understand and calculate.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  carter

If you buy Lynn, you are buying the idea that he will rebound further, back to pre-Tommy John levels. I have a little more hope for Alex Cobb since he started rebounding a little near the end of the season than I do for Lynn, but realistically either way you’re betting on something better the further removed from injury.

If Lynn pitches the way he did last year again, don’t look for him to post the same run prevention. Ironically, Jordan Zimmerman’s Tigers experience may be a good comp for him in terms of his future run prevention. At that price I wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Well, the thing is that the odds are very good that he’ll make such a rebound like most pitchers do in their second year back from Tommy John.

timmer
8 years ago

Greg Holland and Wade Davis both seem like similar risky bets to me. Davis superficially looked good last year, but had a big spike in walk rate, a decline in velocity, and started giving up boatloads of HRs. He would scare me on his projected deal too.

FrancoLuvHateMets
8 years ago
Reply to  timmer

Any long term deals for relievers are scary, but i’d still rather have Davis over Holland even with Davis getting a lot more AAV/years.

timmer
8 years ago

Yeah maybe Holland more risky. But still surprised not to see both Davis & Holland here. Seems like same class of risk.

Mike NMN
8 years ago

Good piece, and likely Dave is right—these guys, as a group, are going to disappoint. That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me if a couple were OK next year, just not over the life of their contracts. Hosmer is the biggest land mine–most money by a considerable margin, and his comparative youth leads a buyer to think his skills won’t erode substantially at the back end. But he’s got a a very good chance at being a Chase Headley-a decent player way overpaid for the value he brings.

CliffH
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

How is Chase Headley overpaid?

Mike NMN
8 years ago
Reply to  CliffH

Headley makes $13M per. In three full years with the Yankees (not counting the stub, just the contract years) he has 37 HR, 171 RBI, a SP of under .400, an OPS+ of under 100, and an aggregate of 5.5BWAR. He’s a decent player. If you knew, in 2014, you were going to get that level of production from him, would you have signed him to 4/$52?

bananas
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

4/52 is basically the market value for an average player like headley. It’s not exactly an efficient deal, but it’s about what you’d expect to pay for wins in free agency. It’s way more efficient to pay market value for average players and get your superstars on the cheap than it is to do the opposite. The yankees are fortunate to be paying pennies on the dollar for their core, and so adding in a bunch of average players at market rates is very wise.

Mike NMN
8 years ago
Reply to  bananas

Depends on the alternatives. I don’t think the Headley contract is bad on a team that can afford to pay market value, but a small to mid-market team wouldn’t see Headley as an efficient use of dollars. I should have been more precise in what I wrote. Paying Hosmer $20M per year to get maybe a hair above average–if that–is a mistake. Hosmer has 14.1 bWAR over seven seasons. Let’s say he steps up his average to 3WAR a season and sustains it for a six year contract. Really affordable to only a few teams. And, when you think about the fact that some of those teams could be near the Competitive Balance Tax, do you really want to go over it for an Eric Hosmer? A star, maybe. Not a 3WAR player

skmd
8 years ago

If jake arrieta isn’t #6, he’s in the top 10. He will want to be paid like a guy with 2 no-hitters and a cy young; except he simply isn’t that guy any more. Some GM will pay for past performance and give him 5-6 years @25 per; the smart ones will not. The Cubs will (and should) say “thanks for the memories, have a good life” and walk away.

GoatHerderMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  skmd

As a Cubs fan I happy to have enjoyed some amazing season and ready to let some other team pay for them. Thanks Jake, you the man, nice beard, good luck in the future (unless you sign with Brewers or Cards).

Adam SMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  skmd

Ditto. Dave, you missed on Arrieta who should be #2 on this list. Not pitching with a historically great defense behind him and having lost the control (command?) he had in 2015, Arrieta is a solid top of rotation pitcher who’s going to be paid like an ace.

As well, personally I think of worst landmines in terms of $ not % return. If you pay $30M and get $15M of performance that’s not as bad as paying $100M and getting $75 of performance, even though you got 3/4 of salary not 1/2. So while I agree on the player assessments, I don’t think anyone signing for 3/$30M is a huge landmine.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  skmd

I’m kind of blown away that Arrieta isn’t on this list too. I think I’d put him below Lynn (although I think Lynn is a worse bet than Holland for the pricetag). Dave must be banking on some pitching coach turning him back into the guy he was last year, but a commitment of over $100M is risky even if a guy hasn’t already dramatically lost value recently.

Dooduh
8 years ago

Based on all the Cozart negging DC has been doing, I was half expecting to see him on this list.

FrancoLuvHateMets
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

I think Dave’s criticism is warranted. But at the same time, there is no market for a SS this offseason, so Cosart is probably going to be paid like he’s the pre 2017 version anyways.

Yanks, Sox, Indians, Astros, Nats, Cubs, and Dodgers have zero interest in finding a SS.

Dooduh
8 years ago

Once he accepts the idea of playing 3B going forward his market will open up.

YKnotDisco
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

In order for a team to sign Cozart to play 3B going foward, he’d most likely have to have a longer track record of hitting like one.

His second best qualified season wRC+ is only 106. I’d personally bet on him being much closer to 106 than anywhere near the neighborhood of his 141 from last season. I just don’t see his bat allowing him to play that position.

I’d ask some questions (how healthy is Duffy? – what is their 2018 plan for Adames?) – but – I think playing SS/2B for TB next season, could be a really good fit. (He’d be a projected 2 win upgrade over Hechavarria.)

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

Well, if one doesn’t believe at all in the 2017 breakout then he’s not really a particularly interesting SS going forward either.

Brad JohnsonMember
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Why would anyone sign Cozart as a 3B though? What a waste of his talent. Better to move a fringier defensive SS down the spectrum (if that same team needs a 2B or 3B).

By UZR, only Simmons, Lindor, and Russell are definitely better defenders than Cozart. He’s probably the fourth best defensive shortstop in the league. Certainly top 10.

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

While that may be true in theory if teams are not opening up SS for him and he finds the market soft, his willingness to play 3B will prob lead to more opportunities. Basic supply/demand at work.

I mean, if as some have forecasted, his likely suitor might be the lowly Pads bc most contenders look to have SS settled, then moving to 3B is likely to open up some other teams to him. I doubt he’s looking fondly at playing for a bottom feeder like the Pads now that he finally can cash in on free agency.

Luy
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

The guy’s strength is his SS defense. The biggest question is his bat.
Why would he try to sell himself on his biggest liability? How is this a good idea for him…let alone why would teams be MORE intrigued by him?

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Luy

This is ridiculous. The guy has a huge season in his walk year and going back 3 seasons is a changed hitter from earlier in his career and he has to run away from that and market himself as a defensive specialist??

Even as a 3Bman, his RC+ would have been right up there with the top guys (Turner, Bryant, Rendon, Ramirez) this season. He’s obviously undergone a change in process and has even discussed changes he’s made. He hit the ball harder and more in the air this season than anytime before. And this was not some product of GAB either. It would be more illogical that he suddenly turns back into a pumpkin than goes on to play at a high level for another 2 or 3 seasons.

Point is that he’s likely also an excellent 3Bman and there may be as many as 6 or 7 contenders who could use him at 3B while almost contenders look to be spoken for at SS. If he were wise, and I’m sure he and his reps are discussing this, he’ll be open minded about this bc I’m sure he won’t want to go to SD to just so that he can stay at SS.

burts_beadsMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Are you being serious?

Momus
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

If Cozart really does have no market for his services then I think it would be a pretty safe bet he ends up with the Blue Jays.

Cozart could slot in as the starting 2B and then side over to SS once Tulo is injured, while Travis would get reps as the backup MI and then take over at 2B.

Once Travis gets hurt the Jays fall back to Goins or Barney of course, but with Cozart they might get as much as 3/4 of a season with above replacement level players at SS and 2B.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  Momus

If you’re going to convert one of them into a second baseman, wouldn’t it be a better defensive alignment to slide Tulo over to 2B?

Mahoney
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Signing Cozart as a 3B would make signing Desmond for $65m as a 1B look brilliant in comparison.

ashlandateam
8 years ago

Your last sentence especially hits home – for the cost of Hosmer, you could *probably sign Santana AND Cain. That should cause all 30 teams to just walk away, because even the ones who could use and afford Hosmer can also use and afford Santana and Cain.

And the crazy thing about this whole narrative is this: I know a lot of Royals fans. I’ve been to multiple Royals games a year for 15 years due to where I live. I don’t know a single person who has tried to defend the notion that Hosmer is better than Cain straight up over the last five years. None. Everyone understands Cain is better, no matter how good they think Hosmer is.

So it’s all coming down to what his agent is asking for. Boras is a helluva drug, and awfully good at his job. But when you stop to pause and really think things through, it becomes clear just how illogical this all is.

Damaso
8 years ago

So 1 extra year on EE’s contract would have made him a landmine?

Brad JohnsonMember
8 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

At some point in the not-too-distant future, Encarnacion is going to become completely unplayable. It’s less likely to happen in three years than four (and so on). The expectation last winter was that he’d clear 5 years and $100MM.

Damaso
8 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

the link Dave generously supplied to last year’s article gives a 4yr projected contract for EE, at about the same annual hit.

Brad JohnsonMember
8 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

I mean, that was well below the general market expectation going into the offseason. You all always expect a shorter contract than is likely.

Damaso
8 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Dave based his opinion of EE’s signing on the 4yr projection.

tung_twista
8 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

The difference between paying a 37 year old Encarnacion $21M or not is huge.
The list of 37 year olds that got more than 100 PAs this season.
Matt Holliday wrc+98 WAR -0.1
Albert Pujols wrc+78 WAR -2.0

FrancoLuvHateMets
8 years ago

I just don’t see how Hosmer signs for more than the crowdsourcing prices in this day and age. It only happens if the Sox decide to start bidding against themselves.

Monsignor Martinez
8 years ago

“If Hosmer were really an elite defensive first baseman, that would be one thing.”

Would it, though? It’s not a premium position, and even if he was that good, would it really be worth the kind of money he’s seeking?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

If he was an elite defensive 1B and kept running a 130 or so wRC+, that’s Brandon Belt from a couple years ago who was worth a little over 4 fWAR. Knock him down to his career wRC+ and you’ve got the 2012/2013 version of Rizzo, who would be worth a little over 2 fWAR over a full season of work.

Of course he’s not a very good defensive 1B so it’s all moot, but you know someone is going to pay him like he’s going to put up 20 fWAR over the next five years, banking on the defensive metrics not being right and him continuing to bang out 130 wRC+ seasons. Even in this fantasy universe this is not a good buy.

Seamaholic
8 years ago

I don’t understand the Hosmer hate at all. If Steamer is right and he’s really a 3 win player, and he’s 28 so not likely to decline in next few years, that’s well over $20m in annual value. A five year $100m contract seems just about right. Maybe 6/$120m, which isn’t outrageous. What am I missing? Meanwhile Santana is 32 and projected by Steamer at 3.1 wins. But he’s in a very different place on the decline curve than Hosmer. So, something like 3/$63 seems in order.

Age matters. A lot. And Hosmer wouldn’t be the first player to hit a new, peak level around 27 and maintain it for a couple years.

Matt
8 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

If Hosmer signs for 5/100, I don’t think that would make the “worst contract of the off-season” list. But once you get to 6/120 or heaven forbid the 7/160 that Heyman predicts, that becomes an awful lot. Especially for someone who’s been worth 10 WAR in his career to this point.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

Steamer projects him for a 2.6 win player (2.7 on Depth Charts). The difference between a 2.6 win player and a 3.1 win player (Carlos Santana) isn’t that much in one season but does add up over time. He’s the ninth best player at his position by Depth Charts, which is pretty good but not elite.

You can still justify this if you are willing to pay $9 million a win, which would put you around $23 million per year. While I think age matters, it’s also important not to overthink this too much. A contract north of $100 million in total guarantees is a big contract! The only contract topping $100 million last year was Yoenis Cespedes. These are big contracts, ones that easily become an albatross, and that require a pretty big upside.

dl80Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

Here’s the problem, though: Hosmer’s WAR in his career is 1.0, -1.7, 3.2, 0.0, 3.5, -0.1, 4.1.

That’s three above average years sandwiched around one below average one and three below replacement level ones.

So how sure are you that hes the 3.5/4.1 WAR player of 2015 and 2017 and not the zeroes of 2014 and 2016? His power, discipline, and fly ball rates have, if anything, gotten worse. The only thing that keeps buoying his hitting is really high BABIP rates every other year. I wouldn’t bet on that continuing.

4/$75 might be ok, but that’s all I would do. Pay him like the 2 or 2.5 win player he has mostly averaged out to be.

pumpsie greenMember since 2022
8 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

Was it Hosmer who was a real jerk to one of the writers a few years ago? I don’t think anyone is looking for a silver lining with him, anyway.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  pumpsie green

I always thought it was Hosmer, but a Royals fan says that Francoeur was likely the worst of them in that interview.

khaaan
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Frenchy was one of the most beloved clubhouse guys of all time. That’s a big reason he kept getting so many chances at the major league level.

John Autin
8 years ago
Reply to  Seamaholic

If you looked at a Hosmer cohort of 1Bs who were comparable over age 25-27, you might be surprised how poorly they aged in the next 6 years.

I found 22 1Bs with WAR batting runs broadly similar to Hosmer’s total of 47 Rbat for age 25-27, and at least 1,500 PAs, who have now completed age 33. (I erred on the side of better performance, so this group averaged 51 Rbat for age 25-27, and all but 2 averaged more Rbat/650 PAs than did Hosmer.)

— The group average per year dropped from 17 Rbat to 13 over age 28-33; from 2.9 off.WAR to 2.2; and from 143 games to 113.

— 5 of the 22 were out of the majors before age 33: Gregg Jefferies, Leon Durham, Glenn Davis, Alvin Davis and Don Hurst.

— 3 more averaged less than 1.5 off.WAR in the latter period: Tony Clark (never played full time after 27), Andres Galarraga and John Mayberry.

The Real McNulty
8 years ago

Can somebody give a way-too-brief explanation of defensive metrics at 1B (and any position). Are they relative to the entire 1B population? If teams started putting DH’s at 1B, would the average 1B rank higher as a result, or are his defensive runs saved a constant?

sabrtooth
8 years ago

Defensive runs are by position, but there’s a separate positional adjustment in WAR for your playing time by position. A full time DH would get 0 (average) defense, but the positional adjustment treats them like a significantly below average 1B.

The 1B adjustment is -12.5 runs, and the DH adjustment is -17.5 runs.

https://www.fangraphs.com/library/misc/war/positional-adjustment/

sabrtooth
8 years ago
Reply to  sabrtooth

I remembered the 1B adjustment as -10, so I’d say the the DH adjustment is just “below average” and not “significantly below”.

Adam SMember since 2016
8 years ago

Yes, to what I think you’re asking. If many teams decided to go for offense and play corner OF in CF, then the average CF wouldn’t be as good (defensively) and a player who might be 2 runs below average might now be 2 runs above average without any improvement. (Though in theory the positional adjustment would change over time if that became a trend.)

sabrtooth
8 years ago
Reply to  Adam S

They haven’t moved in a long time, but Corrine Landrey wrote a really interesting piece in the HBT annual two years ago about how teams playing tweeners in left field and sometimes being aggressive about less-good fielders in the IF is having an effect on the relative balance between positions. That article alone would make buying a used copy worthwhile.

vivalajeter
8 years ago

It has me wondering about a hypothetical. Let’s say all 30 teams had Andrelton Simmons at SS. At the end of the year, would they all have a UZR of ~20 runs? Or would each player get penalized because of how great other SS are, so they’d all wind up with ~0 runs?

Or would it be close to 20 runs in the first year, but over the course of time adjustments would be made to bring it down to 0 runs? If that’s the case, how long would it take to happen?

Brad JohnsonMember
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

If every team had a Simmons copy, then they would all produce 0 UZR +/- some small random variation. So functionally, they’d range from something like -5 to 5 runs (or maybe a smaller range).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

In the first year they’d look great, but it takes 3 years to fully update a position. So by the end of year 3 they would all have a UZR of 0, plus the 7.5 positional adjustment, plus the random error Brad Johnson mentions.

By the way, I don’t know if anyone else noticed but the best UZR performers didn’t put up as much value as in years past. I’m thinking that with better positioning, being a truly stellar defender isn’t as valuable as it once was.

Famous Mortimer
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think a stat that takes three years to normalise isn’t all that useful. A lot of stuff can change in three years. I’ve yet to read a really compelling reason to use a stat like that, and wish it weren’t used in place of debate in arguments like this one.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
8 years ago

Surprised Mike Moustakas isn’t on this list

KMav22
8 years ago

Going by the 2.7 WAR projection and a 0.5 drop after 30 and a 10 million dollar average WAR/$ I come up with 24 million a year over 5 years for Hosmer and 22 million over 6 years. That is 6 million over what Cameron predicts.

The absolute negativity towards him has gotten kind of funny. No, he isn’t a 150 million dollar player. But he is hardly the most over rated player if he gets what Cameron projects.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  KMav22

So part of the issues is that the $10 million/win number is the average not the median (IIRC). It’s pulled up by the Robinson Canos of the world, where you’re paying for massive production in a single roster spot. It is actually much more valuable to have Mike Trout putting up 10 fWAR than it is to have four Eric Hosmer-type players putting up 2.5 fWAR per season.

In other words, I think $10 million per win is a good metric to judge Bryce Harper’s market next year, and something closer to the median is better for judging a pleyer who is closer to the median.

KMav22
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Fair enough. Although the 10 million is not for 1 year, but for a 5-6 average. I was just going by that method in that recent Stanton article. Even at 9 million he would come in at 125.4 million over 6 years. Almost exactly what Cameron predicts and he would rate as the worst move in the off season.

The increased value of a 10 WAR player vs. a 2.5 WAR player I agree with. But it is rarely mentioned and doesn’t seem to be mentioned with every other FA this year. All but 1[Darvish] starting at a 3.2 WAR or less. The 2 above 2.7 WAR[Santana-Arrieta] are well above 30, so their average WAR will be less and either near or lower then Hosmer’s depending on the length.

I guess my point is about J.D. Martinez and Jake Arrieta vs. Hosmer from a WAR stand point as much as a comp with the likes of Trout or Stanton. I am not saying I personally would give Hosmer 6-132, just that the methods used at this site would say that is what he is worth. And that the animosity towards Hosmer and his future contract has reached a questionable level. Call it Hosmer Hostility.

One final point about Hosmer is that he has had a very high WPA number the last 3-5 years compared to his other numbers. A lot higher then Santana the last 3 years for example. A point that might be helpful in understanding his positive qualities.

KMav22
8 years ago
Reply to  KMav22

Correction. He comes in at 6-118.8 for 9 million a year. He is at the number I mentioned[6-125.4] at 9.5 million. Still think the point remains, although not as good a one.:)

One more thing is that teams don’t pay for defense. Since Hosmer has horrible defensive WAR numbers, he might be worth more then his total WAR numbers would indicate.

John Autin
8 years ago

I kinda doubt that Holland’s agent will pitch the Melancon comp….

dave
8 years ago

The Orioles will sign at least one of the 3 mentioned pitchers, probably #5

Kraken
8 years ago

20 years ago, Hosmer is one of the highest payed players in the game. Intangibles, good BA, a “winning player”, good fielder (as perceived by the establishment).

Now, as everyone is smarter and with the new wave, Hosmer’s going to get a lot (from Dombrowski), still much more than he should, but he won’t be in the 25 million per year elite group. His “GG” D isn’t supported by UZR or DRS, his isn’t consistent, and teams don’t pay for intangibles as much as they did before. They also don’t pay for “promise” is 28 yr olds.

RadermecherMember since 2018
8 years ago

Great article,Lynn is spot on.
JD Martinez and 200 mill. seem loaded to me.