The Best Third Baseman of All Time?

Since FanGraphs introduced sortable Major League Leaderboards that cover multiple positions and seasons, it’s been much easier to compare players who played in different eras. It’s also useful for settling debates, such as “who is the greatest _____ of all time.” All you have to do is look up the position and set the years, and you’ve won bragging rights over all your baseball friends. Well, if you’ve spent some time looking at the leaderboards lately, you may have noticed a significant change, particularly at third base. Very recently, Alex Rodriguez passed Mike Schmidt in career WAR; meaning you could make the argument that A-Rod is now the best third baseman of all time. Rodriguez is one of the more polarizing athletes in the sport, so let’s explore whether he deserves this title.

There are two main issues up for debate when discussing A-Rod’s candidacy for best third baseman of all time. (I’m sure there are plenty more, but these are the two that immediately come to mind).

First off, what do we make of Rodriguez’s mid-career positional change? Rodriguez came up as a shortstop, and accumulated more than half of his WAR at that position (63.8 compared to 110.8). While the fielding metrics rated A-Rod as an uneven shortstop, his defense hit a wall once he shifted to third base. As a shortstop, A-Rod not only managed to produce at a ridiculous offensive rate, but his defense seemed to be more of an asset, as well.

Then, the trade happened. A-Rod agreed to a trade that would send him to the New York Yankees to play third base. Despite all he had accomplished at shortstop, A-Rod thought it was time to make the switch.

I don’t see it as a big deal at all. I look at it as a new challenge. I won two Gold Gloves and an MVP at shortstop. I thought I achieved just about everything personally at shortstop. Now it’s time to win. I’ve always thought of myself as a team player. Playing third base is the ultimate team move

While it would seem A-Rod broke his arm patting himself on the back with that quote, many analysts viewed his shift to third as selfless at the time. Say what you will about A-Rod, but he gave up a legitimate chance to go down as the greatest shortstop in history to move to third. He did this even though many argued he was a much better defender at the position than Derek Jeter.

Due to issue number two, it’s become tough to define any decision made by A-Rod as “selfless.” In February 2009, A-Rod admitted to taking PEDs at certain points during his career. PEDs are a difficult subject to cover; as most people have already taken a side in the debate. You either believe using PEDs and steroids is a violation of the game, and would never support a known PED user, or you are willing to look past the PED/steroids issue. Either way, this affects the way people will view A-Rod’s legacy.

On one hand, A-Rod is clearly one of the greatest players of all-time regardless of position. It wouldn’t have mattered where he played on the field, A-Rod would have produced like a Hall of Famer. While he accumulated much of his value playing another position, A-Rod moved to third to help his team and still proved to be a tremendous player after the position switch. Perhaps it’s more impressive that A-Rod excelled at a tougher defensive position before making the switch to third?

On the other hand, A-Rod isn’t a third baseman in the way Mike Schmidt, Eddie Mathews and Brooks Robinson are considered third baseman. They played their entire careers at the position and accumulated all of their value at the hot corner. A-Rod is also an admitted PED user, and that is not looked upon kindly in the baseball world.

I’m not sure there’s a right answer either way, but with A-Rod there’s sure to be some interesting opinions.

*Big hat tip to my good friend Monty, who first alerted me that A-Rod was the career leader in WAR at third base.





Chris is a blogger for CBSSports.com. He has also contributed to Sports on Earth, the 2013 Hard Ball Times Baseball Annual, ESPN, FanGraphs and RotoGraphs. He tries to be funny on twitter @Chris_Cwik.

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Garrett
12 years ago

The PED argument is fucking retarded and specious.

Hank Aaron – PED User – Shitbag obv

Terry Boers
12 years ago
Reply to  Garrett

Greenies are the same as redbull ya dumb bitch.

A guy from PA
12 years ago
Reply to  Terry Boers

Except Greenies are illegal and criminal prosecution is warranted for using them. They are more restricted than steroids. They improve focus and concentration IIRC, which seem more integral to baseball success than raw power.

Brian
12 years ago
Reply to  Terry Boers

lol not even close

EarlSweatshirtinSamoa
12 years ago
Reply to  Terry Boers

“They improve focus and concentration IIRC, which seem more integral to baseball success than raw power.”

If you want to oversimplfy it then you are correct. They marginally improve focus and concentration…but the majority of HGH/steroids don’t have marginal effects at all. Its laughable to think steroids only improve raw power, or that the effect is on the same level as the effect greenies have on your concentration. I think the effects of steroids are overstated, but your comparison isn’t really logical. I’ve always thought it was absurd to say PED’s don’t help you hit a baseball…additional core strength directly translates to higher bat speed, if you have a quicker bat you hit more pitches. This ignores all the other benefits as well.

west
12 years ago
Reply to  Terry Boers

This is exactly what the Real Terry Boers would say

BDF
12 years ago
Reply to  Terry Boers

Greenies are not a PED. I work in the field, and I defy you to find one medical professional who would agree that any kind of amphetamine would enhance performance on anything other than the shortest of short-term bases. Whether in the form of dextroamphetamine sulfate–greenies–or crystal meth, amphetamines just don’t improve anything that humans do over any length of time. They might help you for a day or a week or possibly even a month, but no longer than that.

Garrett
12 years ago
Reply to  Terry Boers

BDF, sure. Would you like to wager money on it?

Or perhaps we could use the MLB drug policy as guidance.

Either way its immaterial as most idiots believe the vilification of steroids and betting on baseball while ignoring other cheaters in a variety of formats, much less the usage of non-tested, non-explicitly banned substances. The writer, much like most of the comments, is misled and confused. The health effects of steroid use are frequently a net positive (herp derp derp HRT), yet for some reason the public doesn’t understand the dosages necessary for improved athletic performance, the effects, or who it would most benefit.

Beyond that, the ethical argument of “lol cheater” is blind to the dosages or effects. Throw the WS, throw a game, bet for your team, bet against your team. Why should we attempt to determine the relative “wrongness” of events when a clear line is laid out for us (hello rules say hi)? Its a fool’s errand, yet one that all the faux intelligentsia attempts to go down.

Nat Haniel
12 years ago
Reply to  Terry Boers

It’s also immaterial because there was more going on in baseball at the time then just PEDs. Balls were jumping out of stadiums during this “PED era”, but I’d bet it had more to do with the ball being juiced than drugs being used.

But that’s what ERA+ is for, and Schmidt’s career ERA+ is greater than ARod’s, and he was a much better defender.

Schmidt was better.

Garrett
12 years ago
Reply to  Garrett

Herp derp derp. Dosage/not all steroids have same effect.

The comments are worse than the article.

CircleChange11
12 years ago
Reply to  Garrett

Hank Aaron tried greenies ONCE, felt like he was going to have a heart attack, and left them alone.

If you want to consider that PED usage as being in the same realm as guys that were doing full cycles of PEDs, then that’s your choice.

Manny Ortez
12 years ago
Reply to  CircleChange11

and A-Rod only roided up from 2000 to 03
oh wait a minute….

not saying Hank did PEDs but lets not pretend that because someone said they only did it once that it’s true

CircleChange11
12 years ago
Reply to  CircleChange11

So, what’s the alternative?

At this point, when one is throwing Hank Aaron into the “PED User” group, I think we need more evidence than the assumption that he’s lying with his admission for trying greenies one time and having a bad experience.

It’s just incredibly absurd to throw Hank Aaron into the PED User group, as we commonly understand it based on the information we have.

I concede that Hank Aaron could be fibbing about his greenie use. I think the nature of the experience illustrates truth, but I acknowledge that he could be lying. I would question why his former teammates haven’t come out and said he’s lying and they gave him greenies on multiple occasions.

What I don;t like is the equating of Aaron trying greenies with guys that are intentionally engaging in full cycles of hormone-based PEDs.

I stole chewing tobacco when I was in 6th grade. You might as well put me in the same “thief group” as Madoff and Ken Lay.