The Bourjos Inquiries

The Peter Bourjos trade rumors have started to circulate again. The primary discussant in the linked article is the Nationals, but the Royals, Diamondbacks, and Blue Jays are also mentioned. With super-prospect Mike Trout in the majors, the Angels already having something of an outfield crunch and Bourjos flat-lining on offense so far this season, there is a surface rationality to the idea of trading him. Let’s briefly look at how Bourjos might fit into the plans of the teams allegedly interested in Bourjos before turning to the question of how this makes sense (or nonsense) for the Angels.

The Nationals have an obvious need for a center fielder. Just a short time ago it was a question of whether there was room for Bryce Harper in their outfield. Now, with Mike Morse still out and Jayson Werth gone for while, Harper looks like the only legitimate starter, as the other outfield spots are primarily populated by a combination Rick Ankiel, Roger Bernadina, and a dash of Xavier Nady. Even with Adam LaRoche hitting well now and the team in contention, Mike Morse could slide to first next year, Werth and Harper could take over the corners, and Bourjos could give the team a cost-controlled and defensively adept center fielder for the next few years.

The Royals also have a pretty big hole in center field at the moment. Lorenzo Cain was supposed to be their center fielder in 2012, but he went down pretty quickly, and it is not clear when he is coming back. Cain was not great shakes to begin with, but he was certainly a better option with more upside than the pu-pu platter of Mitch “MITCH” Maier, Jarrod Dyson, and Jason Bourgeois the team has thrown out there since the Cain injury. The team is in such dire straights that for interleague play they are considering putting Billy Butler at first, Eric Hosmer in right, and, wait for it.. Jeff Francoeur. in center.

Top position player prospect Wil Myers is being looked at in center field, but he is unlikely to be a full-time regular before 2013, and most consider it a temporary experiment. In any case, I am sure that even the Royals would rather have Bourjos in center and Myers in right than Myers in center and Francoeur in right. This may also signal that the Royals do have that much faith in Cain long-term, which was at least somewhat evident by him remaining in the minors for almost all of 2011, a decision only partly justified by Melky Cabrera having a career year.

The Diamondbacks are another team hurt by an outfield injury, in this case to their center fielder Chris Young. It is a bit difficult to see how much of an upgrade in center field Bourjos would be over Gerardo Parra, although implementing some sort of platoon with a combination Bourjos, Parra, and current right-fielder Jason Kubel might be a good idea simply for the sake of not having to have Kubel’s glove out there so often. Still, given the presence of both Parra and Young, this look more like a case of a team trying to buy low (more on that below) than looking for a long-term solution as in cases of Washington and Kansas City.

The Blue Jays are an interesting case for at least two related reasons: a) they just made a big trade for Colby Rasmus last summer, and b) they are rumored to have talked to Philadelphia about Shane Victorino. The second reason adds fuel to the “Blue Jays are seeking a center fielder” fire, from which one might reasonably infer that the team is losing faith in Colby Rasmus. That does not necessarily mean that the Rasmus trade was a bad idea at the time, but, without getting this post totally sidetracked, should raise some eyebrows. If the team really does not believe in Rasmus as a long-term solution in center, then, yes, maybe trying to buy low on Bourjos makes sense. I will leave it to others to speculate on what this might mean about what Toronto’s front office is thinking about Anthony Gose’s future.

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One can make the case that all of these teams have reason to be interested in Bourjos, but that brings us back to the question of why the Angels are trying to move him now. The superficial answer: Mike Trout is ready, and Bourjos has been terrible. But as you can tell by the use of the word “superficial,” I am not convinced. Yes, Bourjos was probably over his head last year when he had a .338 wOBA, especially if you compare that with his minor-league numbers. Still, losing faith in Bourjos’ ability to hit after 61 miserable 2012 plate appearances compared to 806 career major-league plate appearances of being just below average seems unwise. Bourjos had an excellent reputation as a fielder in the minors even if you do not buy the defensive metrics, so overall he looks like a viable major-league starter under team control for the next few years.

Dave Cameron noted back in February (when an earlier Bourjos-to-Washington rumor was floating around) that it did not make much sense, and that was for a starter in John Lannan, rather than the reliever the Angels are rumored to be currently seeking. Back then, the Angels would have at least been dealing at a relatively high point of Bourjos’ value, now they obviously would be selling low. Part of the problem is that the Angels may not be willing to play both Trout and Bourjos on the field at the same time, as they may feel that neither has a bat that currently profiles in left. That is poor thinking at third base, and, as Dave pointed out in February, the Yankees seem to do just fine playing Brett Gardner and his inappropriately-profiling bat in left (when he was healthy, at least).

One hesitates to beat a dead horse, but when the horse is resurrected and is (seemingly) disrupting a team’s baseball decision-making, it needs to be flogged one more time: the problem is Vernon Wells. The Angels obviously can’t trade him (unless they are willing to eat another albatross in return), but they also obviously feel that they cannot bench him yet. However, while he is out-hitting Bourjos so far this year, it is not like Wells is burning it up with a .288 wOBA himself. Bourjos was a better hitter last season, and I feel pretty safe saying Bourjos is far superior defensively. I am not saying it would be fun or simple to eat Vernon Wells’ contract. There may be another creative solution to that situation. Any of it has to beat selling low on Bourjos.

Of course, that is from the Angels’ perspective. I am sure that any of the four teams (and probably a few more) listed above would be happy to take advantage of the Angels’ mostly self-imposed predicament to buy low on a player who is very likely still at least a league-average starter in center field.





Matt Klaassen reads and writes obituaries in the Greater Toronto Area. If you can't get enough of him, follow him on Twitter.

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Kirsh
14 years ago

Want to know why the Angels have no chance at catching Texas? They’ve coherently chosen Vernon Wells and Jeff Mathis (now gone, but still) over Peter Bourjos and Mike Napoli in the last two years. That’s like eight wins, just out the window. And four or five of them have gone to Texas.

They develop great talent and have a great owner, to be sure, but this is another totally botched handling of a quality Major Leaguer. I don’t get it.

Eric Dykstra
14 years ago
Reply to  Kirsh

Well said. As a Mariners fan, this gives me quite a bit of joy. Even if the end result is that Texas is even better.

Adam R
14 years ago
Reply to  Kirsh

Who says they have to catch Texas? 2 wild cards now mean they can still scrape by and get to the post season.

Matt
14 years ago

I suspect the Blue Jays’s interest has more to do with Eric Thames than Colby Rasmus.

jaywrong
14 years ago
Reply to  Matt

I agree. Plus, if they feel like, Rasmus’ bat profiles better at a corner.

I get the feeling that a straight up trade of JPA for Bourjos is about to go down.

Matt-HBB
14 years ago
Reply to  jaywrong

The Angels GM isn’t Tony Reagins anymore, DiPoto is a smart man he’s not going to give up a high caliber centre fielder for a catcher who may not be a catcher in 5 years

vivalajeter
14 years ago
Reply to  jaywrong

They should value 2012 significantly more than they value 2017, so even if he’s not a catcher in 5 years that doesn’t mean they should target him. Also, let’s not act like Bourjos is the next Beltran/Edmonds. He could wind up more like Franklin Gutierrez – a couple of spectacular defensive years, but not the type of player you build a team around.

Felix
14 years ago
Reply to  jaywrong

How does his bat “[profile] better at a corner” when corner outfielders are typically expected to produce more offense than CFers? Has he been much worse defensively than the stats (+7 DRS) suggest?

Matt
14 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Agreed. Rasmus to LF and Bourjos to CF.

jaywrong
14 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Felix, his Rasmus’ bat profiles better at a corner then Bourjos does.

Jamie
14 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Bourjos to CF
Rasmus to RF
Bautista to 1B
Lind to the moon.

Petey BienelMember since 2019
14 years ago

The Nats have a second match with the Angels. In addition to the reliever, which is probably too little, they also have a pair of catchers in Ramos and Flores that are both healthy and could probably be lead catchers for many teams. Flores is the one who appears to have the short end of the split, but his throwing (eyeball test) seems to have improved to his pre-injury levels. Flores + a reliever should be closer to bourjos’s value than just a reliever.

jirish
14 years ago
Reply to  Petey Bienel

Well, the Natiionals were a match until Ramos broke his knee yesterday. If Bourjos is being traded, the Angels might want to call on the Indians. I’d also propose trading Hunter to keep Bourjos-it just opens up his spot a 1/2 year early. Hunter to the Indians works too-if the Angels eat most of his salary, I bet the Indians would give them some nice pitching, guys that would look very good in the Angels pen right now.

NBarnes
14 years ago

Always nice to have another chance to marvel at how bad the Vernon Wells trade was. If Bourjos ends up with the Blue Jays, the circle will be completed in an entirely satisfying way.

I am a Red Sux Fan
14 years ago
Reply to  NBarnes

The circle will become complete after the Blue Jays acquire Bourjos and ship him to Texas for a pitcher and David Murphy.

ian
14 years ago

I don’t see DiPoto selling low on Bourjos. He’s way to savvy for that. There’s also no urgency to moving him. A trade could certainly happen, but I don’t see it happening anytime soon.

microwave donut
14 years ago
Reply to  ian

It is selling low compared to the offseason, but I see no clear path for Bourjos to rebuild value. Meanwhile Bourjos is losing cost controlled service time (value) every day he sits on the bench.

Doug
14 years ago

I think we can file the Blue Jays’ interest under AA inquiring on every possible player on every team.

vivalajeter
14 years ago

A few months ago Bourjos was too valuable to give up for David Wright – and now there’s talk about them trading him to help their bullpen? I don’t buy it. Maybe he’d be involved in a much bigger trade, but I can’t imagine they’d sell him so cheap.

Well-Beered Englishman
14 years ago

“Mitch “MITCH” Maier”? Is that like “Steve “STEVE HOLT” Holt”?

David WiersMember since 2016
14 years ago

I love Arrested Development.

Robbie G.
14 years ago

What is the origin of the expression “Wait for it…”? I have no memory of reading this prior to about five years ago. Now, the expression is ubiquitous.

Stringer Bell
14 years ago
Reply to  Robbie G.

How I Met Your Mother uses it a lot.

Gary York
14 years ago
Reply to  Robbie G.

Now, the expression is ubiquitous.

More accurately,

Now, the expression is . . . wait for it . . . ubiquitous.

Otherwise you’re undermining your assertion that the expression is ubiquitous.

J
14 years ago

Why on earth do the Diamondbacks want Bourjos? Young will be back soon enough and they already had too many quality outfielders. Parra deserves to start but I guess he’ll be the 4th man when Young gets back. If they pulled a trade for Bourjos they’d have 5 starting outfielders. I don’t get it.

However, on days where they sit Upton and played Parra-Bourjos-Young that would be one of the greatest outfield defenses in recent memory

LeeRoy Jenkins
14 years ago

Mark these words, even those of you who have wisely ignored these very words for a half-decade: Travis Snider will rake this year if given the opportunity. If the Jays make a play for Bourjos, it better be a three-way-deal landing LunchBox in left field for the Tribe.

We drink your milkshake. . . WE DRINK IT UP!

James
14 years ago
Reply to  LeeRoy Jenkins

I think I’ve heard this stated the past 2 years about Snider

Baseballs_econ
14 years ago

Really well done… The Angels refuse to not play Wells, but I really don’t see any need to move Bourjos unless they can get a young good reliever in return, like Drew Storen. But they must wait and see if Storen is healthy first

Aaron (UK)
14 years ago
Reply to  Baseballs_econ

Clippard instead of Storen might get it done.

will h
14 years ago
Reply to  Aaron (UK)

Do not see it. Good CF FA class coming up this winter, their terrible offense requires a plus batter, and do you really think a live-by-pitching team with both Storen and Lidge out will trade Clip?

pdowdy83
14 years ago

I don’t get the concept of “the Yankees seem to be just fine playing Brett Garnder in left.” The difference between the two teams is Granderson’s power more than makes up for the lack of power in LF therefore canceling out the entire premise. Garnder may not profile as a LFer but he does as a CFer. Granderson’s bat is as powerful as a corner outfielder. While Trout is an electric player his power is not on par with Granderson.

YoMommaSoUggla
14 years ago
Reply to  pdowdy83

Trout’s power may not “be on par” with Granderson’s power….yet. The kid is ONLY 20 (barely) and has shown some solid pop already. Power is usually the last aspect to develop in a player’s game.

In 2-3 years, Trout could very well be an annual 30-30 threat for years to come.

J.J. Hunt
14 years ago

Ranger Fans…. win a world championship first.

Ned Colletti
14 years ago

I’d love to have a solid, veteran player like Vernon Wells in our clubhouse. I’m sure that new ownership would be glad to step up and take on this contract.

Brian Sabean
14 years ago
Reply to  Ned Colletti

Hey! Get in line.

Ned Colletti
14 years ago
Reply to  Brian Sabean

Stay off my turf, Brian.

Big JgkeMember since 2020
14 years ago
Reply to  Brian Sabean

This is hilarious, because unless I am looking at either of them specifically, in my head Sabean and Colletti are the same person.

CJ
14 years ago
Reply to  Brian Sabean

Has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

kick me in the GO NATS
14 years ago
Reply to  Brian Sabean

I heard that one winter meeting they tried to trade for each other. Problem was every time they traded neither was on the same team. So both guys eventually decided to remain where they were.

Keystone Heavy
14 years ago

I am going to laugh my ass off when they trade Bourjos to Toronto for Jeff Mathis.

mlmorgen
14 years ago

There’s a simple reason why none of these Bourjos rumors made sense for the Angels. It’s the same reason that none of these Bourjos rumors has turned into a trade. They were the creation of lazy columnists filling space with the Christmas wish list of executives offering nothing of value for Bourjos. The Lannan rumor was laughable on its face, as the Angels had locked in on Jerome Williams last September and were *never* in the market for a $5M soft tosser in the 5th rotation spot. The Angels beat writer today flat out refuted Morosi’s latest rumor.

kick me in the GO NATS
14 years ago
Reply to  mlmorgen

Lannan is much better than Jerome Williams.

MauerPower
14 years ago

Trading Bourjos makes no sense, he’s off to a slow start so far, but it looks like it’s BABIP driven. ZiPS projects him to finish with 3 WAR the rest of the season, good look finding a reliever who gives you that much value. He’s also young and under team control for a long time.

Mike
14 years ago

If the Angels do trade Bourjos, expect the Rangers to make a strong attempt to get him from his new team