The Coming Red Sox-Orioles Bidding War
The Orioles and Red Sox have provided some of the season’s juiciest narrative thus far. Everyone (well, almost everyone) loves a good bit of drama, even when it’s remarkably dumb drama. And even though our postseason odds favor Boston by a considerable margin in the AL East, Baltimore has made a habit in recent years of outperforming their projections. The two teams are going to be going for the jugular against each other for the rest of the season, and it’s going to make for some great baseball.
They may find themselves directly competing off the field, as well. Both teams have dire needs on the left side of the infield. The Red Sox haven’t had a strong third-base presence in some time, and the Orioles are hurting badly at shortstop with J.J. Hardy firmly in his decline phase and contributing just a 38 wRC+ thus far. Boston’s third-base woes are particularly bad this year, given that the cast of characters who have taken the position this year have combined for -0.5 WAR. These two problems don’t initially seem to be all that related. The teams will theoretically be scouring two different trade markets, no?
Maybe, maybe not. The simplest solution for Baltimore would be to just go get a shortstop like Zack Cozart, who’s hitting well and playing for a Reds team that probably isn’t as talented as they’ve looked thus far. However, Cozart is currently the only truly attractive shortstop option on a still-evolving trade market and there are other teams who will likely prefer Cozart over someone like Freddy Galvis. The Orioles also don’t have very much prospect capital with which to work, and could easily be outbid. Therefore a more elegant solution presents itself: moving Manny Machado to short and pursuing someone to play third. Machado is one of the best all-around defenders in the game, and is a natural shortstop. He could do it in a heartbeat.
That’s how you wind up with the Orioles and Red Sox going head to head over the third-base scrapheap, which is indeed an apt adjective for what this market may look like at the position. Much of the third-base talent in the league is condensed among contenders, with a few notable exceptions. The Twins are not in the business of trading Miguel Sano. The Reds may want to hang onto Eugenio Suarez until Nick Senzel is ready (at which time they could simply move Suarez elsewhere). The Rays almost certainly won’t move Evan Longoria within the division, if they do move him at all.
The Pirates, however, are interesting. A variety of factors, including the suspension of Starling Marte, have effectively sunk their season. They’re going to be sellers to some extent, but just how far they’re willing to go is the key. They could still have a solid core next year with Marte, Gregory Polanco, Gerrit Cole and others, as well as a small army of young starters. They also have David Freese under contract for next year for an affordable $4.2 million, with a team option for the year after that. He’s a cheap and reliable piece, which means that it could make sense to keep him. It could also make sense to deal him off for parts.
Freese fits the needs of both teams quite well. He’s sporting a robust 126 wRC+ this year and is projected to carry a league-average batting line for the rest of the season. He also won’t kill you with his glove — which would be a welcome change of pace for the Red Sox — and can play some first base. That’s another point in his favor for Boston, since top-prospect Rafael Devers (a third baseman) is currently setting the minors on fire. He’s only 20 years old and has played just 29 games above A-ball, but stranger things have happened. If Devers mashes his way into the big leagues, Freese can move over to first and split time with Mitch Moreland, or whoever is playing there next year.
That’s all assuming that the Pirates make Freese available, though. If they don’t, the rest of the market is slim. There’s Todd Frazier, who’s currently hitting .173, and Mike Moustakas, who has a .282 OBP. Perhaps Martin Prado, who’s been below replacement level and has two years and $28.5 million left on his contract? Travis Shaw, whom the Red Sox traded away over the winter only for him to return to being the productive hitter he was when he emerged in 2015, is looking like a possible long-term contributor for the Brewers. Maybe Josh Harrison, who is also under contract next year for the Pirates, and serves a valuable utility role for the team? Trevor Plouffe, who is, well, Trevor Plouffe?
In short, there don’t seem to be many good options out there right now. There are even fewer at shortstop, though, so it may be in the Orioles’ best interest to get into a mud-wrestling match with the Red Sox over these less-than-ideal options. They may not be all that attractive, but they’re better than the messes that these contenders have at third and short. The market will also become clearer once we get closer to the deadline, and the field becomes more crystalized. Barring a sudden resurgence from Frazier, though, this is going to be ugly. But even an upgrade to passability could be the difference in this mess of a playoff race.
Nick is a columnist at FanGraphs, and has written previously for Baseball Prospectus and Beyond the Box Score. Yes, he hates your favorite team, just like Joe Buck. You can follow him on Twitter at @StelliniTweets, and can contact him at stellinin1 at gmail.
Dan Duquette is a step ahead: Can’t get into a bidding war if you don’t have any prospects to trade.
But Dombrowski has been trying to catch up.
Josh Donaldson?
Exactly who I was thinking of. Not hard to envision the Jays going full tear-down on that roster.
I could also see the Giants pulling the plug on this season and making Eduardo Nunez available and he can cover both SS and 3B. Giants could be interesting if their season continues on the wrong side of .500. That is an old roster with a lot of guys signed for a lot of money for a lot more years. Even their young guys are not that young – they have only 1 player under 25 on the 25 man roster in Christian Arroyo and only another 2 on the 40 man roster.
They don’t need to do a full tear down. They can flip pending FA in 2017/2018 and aim to return in 2019. They still have some quality young players in the majors (Pillar, Travis, Osuna, Stroman, Sanchez, Biagini). But yes, if the Jays are out at the deadline, flipping Donaldson makes a lot of sense.
Fans would riot. But it would be a smart move, if they Jays could extort a boatload of high end prospects to re-stock their nonexistant farm system
Very rarely are superstar players like Donaldson traded within their division, especially a division as tightly contested as the AL East.
The Red Sox are probably looking for a stop gap to Devers. The Orioles don’t have the prospects.
I mean if they get Donaldson, you would have to think Devers is a part of the package
Right. Devers would be the centerpiece, and they would probably also have to include Groome. Just like Dombrowski–push all the chips to the middle and go for it.
Assuming he can fully recover from his vertigo, I’d just play Holt at 3b rather than give up anything for Freese.
A long shot option may end up being Hernan Perez. He should be inexpensive: O’s don’t have too many prospects; BoSox with Devers only have need for this year so why unload top prospects. Not a name that belongs with the title of the article but could be a nice piece for a contender if Milwaukee falls off by the deadline though Perez’s availability is probably not tied into their record.
A guy who can play multiple positions, hitting well, and with 3+ years of control is not going to come cheap. And if he stops hitting well, no one is going to want him.
Orioles need a shortstop. Red Sox need a third baseman.
Only one obvious solution. Trade Machado for Bogaerts.
A modest proposal…
David Wri…awww, I just gave myself a sad
Maybe instead of trying to make Pedro Alvarez a terrible outfielder they can go back to letting him be a terrible third baseman…
Even better idea: Play Machado at both 3B and SS and have four outfielders.
He can’t hit or field the position, but hey, he’s got experience!
That Travis Shaw trade looks worse and worse. The guy has been underestimated his whole career. He doesn’t have flashy tools (was maybe a 1-tool prospect) so everyone thinks he’s playing over his head. But at some point, his detractors are going to realize that being an overachiever has its merits too.
(Counterpoint: Shaw is a better fit in Miller Park than Fenway)
the NL will figure out he can’t handle high heat in 3, 2,…..
Trevor Plouffe actually makes some sense to the Red Sox. He can be had for a bag of balls and there is that wall in LF.
Schoop seems like a good candidate for a move to 3B given he earns FanGraph’s worst Range Rating among qualified 2B’s since 2015.
In the unlikely event that Buck agrees with me about Schoop, Adam Rosales or Brandon Phillips seem about right for O’s 2B trade targets given dearth of prospects.
Or (totally outside the box and probably stupid) straight swap of Gausman for Profar with the latter slotting in at 2B. Rangers get pen help, O’s get potential 2B of the future…
Gausman is worth more than Profar
I don’t know much about shoulder injuries: is Profar’s power gone for good, now? As a keeper owner in a deep league I’d been patiently betting on an eventual return to form.
I think it’s more likely that he was just never that good. He got his top prospect status by doing quite well in the minor leagues while being very young for the level, but he never actually crushed minor league pitching (142 wRC+ at 18 in A-ball, 127 wRC+ in AA at 19).
The level of production that he’s had at AAA and in the majors before and after the injuries are eerily similar. In retrospect, he might be one of those players who reach their peak earlier than others, and the peak might be in the Quad-A limbo.
He’s probably a utility guy who justifies his spot by being a decent back up at several positions. Whether he’s an excellent utility guy or a guy hanging around on the fringes of the roster, we don’t know.
I heard a rumor that the Rangers didn’t want to trade him in a deal for Archer last year. That can’t have been the whole story, because a package headlined by Profar would have been a steal for Texas.
Will Middlebrooks, yo.
Wouldn’t the Giants be a possible trade partner for either team? A Nunez rental would be straightforward, but I’d expect there’s an outside chance they’d move Crawford if they think Arroyo can be the SS of the future. And while Baltimore might not have a ton of prospects, they could easily part with a corner outfielder or two.
I know trades like that almost never happen, but it’s fun to think about.
What about Solarte, Nunez or H Perez?
Jed Lowrie is hitting much better again this season and wasn’t a disaster at 3B when he was with the Astros. Would take him over Plouffe for sure if you’re shopping around Oakland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_6mov7oPJc
For a couple of FV 45 prospects I bet this gets done. Probably about the price range the Sox/O’s can give up and still get a good upgrade.
I just got really excited at the headline, thinking I was going to be introduced to the next hyped up Cuban kid on the international market but instead I read an article about David Freese.
Today I learned that David Freese has a career wRC+ of 114 and Pablo Sandoval has a career wRC+ or 115; David Freese also has a career wOBA of .336 while Sandoval has a career wOBA of .339.
I find myself quoting the great Walter Sobchak, “I did not know that.”
To be fair, I think Sandovals contract played at least some role in the decision to move Shaw. Not saying I agreed with either move, but still.
I agree though, Freese makes a lot of sense for both of these teams.
I could see the Jays making Josh Donaldson available if they wave the white flag this year. Not sure what the Red Sox or Orioles could offer them. Red Sox probably need to part with JBJ , Groome and Swihart . Yankees might have more to offer if they decide to make a run for it this year and Red Sox-Orioles could fight over Headley. Of course no team likes making deals within the division.
The entire premise of this article confuses me. You propose that the Os and RSox are going to get into a bidding war over 34 year old scrap-pile David Freese,a guy who may well end up being around replacement-level this year, when there are equally risky pieces with higher upside identified in the article that are still available — namely, Mous and Frazier? What about Luis Valbuena? Eduardo Escobar? There are an array of meh 3B around the league. Singling out Iceman as tradebait to the exclusion of the others seems pretty forced.
Agreed, and this premise doesn’t fit Duquette’s m.o. at all. He tries to fill holes with undervalued players other teams don’t want, and he’s been pretty darn good at it. Honestly, this piece feels like it should be on BleacherReport rather than FanGraphs.
Sort of. At the deadline, he likes giving up a minor leaguer for rentals. I’d be surprised if he valued the extra year of team control enough to give up more for it. If Moustakas is hitting well but not enough to spark a bidding war, he’s the sort of guy Duquette would go for.
As long as he’s not hiding an injury, I would welcome Solarte for the Sox’ hole at third.
Matt Duffy? Tim Beckham is looking like a pretty decent player, and SS Willy Adames is in AAA. It doesn’t look like Duffy is needed.
He’s got team control. Even if Duffy’s only a league-average hitter, do you know what kind of crazy package they would have to offer the Rays to trade Duffy within the division?
The 2014-2016 Solarte would be a great addition. We’ll see if he can pick it up though.
Sherman Johnson can play some third, and probably wouldn’t cost a king’s ransom to pry him from the Angels luke-warm hands come Independence Day.
Two scenarios: 1) If somehow Gleyber Torres (.286/.370/.476) is ready by June to jump from AA to MLB, then the Yankees might deal Headley. 2) Padres trade Solarte. He’ll turn 30 this July and so not really part of the plan for the next relevant Padre team. They might have signed him to a 2 year deal just to up his trade value.
As an O’s fan keenly aware of their “window”, and noticing the decline of Hardy (and not only at the plate), is one sidebar here to the idea of moving Manny over to his natural position. Specifically, how much value would it add to Machado to showcase him as a potential Gold Glove SS as well as 3B??
I for one am not in the camp that thinks it’s a foregone conclusion that he’s going to NY or Philly. Is it really out of the question that the nearly ancient, filty rich owner (who overpaid for Chris Davis) decides to pay to keep a generational talent around for his final years?
Shea Hillenbrand, FTW.
I think Jhonny Peralta could be a good, cheap option for either team. He has literally no role in STL, and one would think they’d move him for virtually nothing.