The Diamondbacks Still Can Reload
When the Diamondbacks won the National League West division in 2011, they looked like they had a pretty decent future. This week, things don’t look quite as rosy. According to our Playoff Odds page, only four teams have less of a shot at reaching the postseason as of this writing — the Astros, Twins, Cubs or Marlins. None of those teams were expected to contend for a playoff berth this season. The Dbacks were. Unless things change fast, they will not actually contend for a playoff spot, and then the question becomes how can the organization right the ship?
Since Jonah Keri had a great look over at Grantland at how we got to this point, and since I try to follow the mantra of Chris Tucker/Smokey and not bring up old ‘ish, I won’t waste your time repeating it. Here though, if you don’t feel like clicking through, is the money quote:
Teams don’t go from first to fifth in three years without people losing their jobs, so change was inevitable.
Jonah was actually talking about how Kirk Gibson and Kevin Towers attained their jobs back in 2010, but here we are in 2014, and the same scenario has a chance to play out. The other four teams in the division all look at least decent, while the Dbacks have looked anything but. The duo do have new contracts, but that might not be enough to save them. However, we’ll leave their situation be for the moment. The point is simply that the team needs to make some changes.
Let’s begin with the players who you would, in a vacuum, build your team around:
That’s about it. You could make cases for Gerardo Parra, Braden Shipley and maybe Mark Trumbo, but when push comes to shove, those aren’t guys who you would go to the mattresses for when building a team from scratch. And therein lies the main problem with the Dbacks. They just don’t have a lot of studs. They have a lot of solid guys, which is nice, but it’s hard to get a bunch of solid guys to consistently play over their talent level. To compound the situation, very few of the team’s players are young. As Dave Cameron showed on Tuesday, Arizona is an unenviable position. In the representative graph, we see that Arizona has the eighth-highest team age. On the bright side, they’re not the Phillies, but that’s about the only way you can put a positive spin on things. The team is at or above the median weighted age for both hitters and pitchers.
So, in a very real sense, the Dbacks should be trying to get younger. In another, more real sense though, that’s kind of a pipe dream at this juncture. The team ranked in the middle of the pack in Keith Law’s organizational rankings. They had three consensus top 100 prospects, and two of them find themselves with at least some playing time on the depth charts from which Cameron pulled his info. And since Marc Hulet made his 2014 top Dbacks prospects list back in November, the team has traded away two of the other close to the majors talents in Matt Davidson and David Holmberg. So while the organization should be trying to get younger, perhaps we’re past that point for the moment. Given its lack of youth and abundance of fungible players surrounding a decent core, the team is actually in a position to re-load quickly, should they have the fortitude to do so in a big way. Let’s walk through the process of how that could happen.
1. Call up Archie Bradley
As Wendy Thurm pointed out on Thursday, Kevin Towers was recently quoted as saying he didn’t want Bradley to come up and be the team’s savior. But if the team is indeed damaged beyond repair for this season, then he really won’t be able to save it anyway. IE, there’s no reason to hold him down. Since the Dbacks are rocking a franchise-high payroll this season, keeping him down for arbitration-related reasons doesn’t make a ton of sense, so Towers can likely be taken at his word that they don’t want to rush their prized prospect, but the sooner Bradley learns to adjust to the level of play at the major league level, the better. If you’re looking to reload for 2015, then you want Bradley to hit the ground running in 2015. Get him up.
2. Trade Aaron Hill
The Dbacks have Hill, Owings and Didi Gregorius, and only have jobs for two. Hill doesn’t project to be more than a two-win player. That is still better than Gregorius, who projects at one win and change, and you might adjust Gregorius down a little as he slides down the defensive spectrum ever so slightly to second base. But Gregorius is eight years younger and makes the league minimum, while the 32-year-old Hill is just beginning a three-year, $36 million extension. It’s highly unlikely that Hill is $33 million and change better than Gregorius, and coming off of his two best offensive seasons, there will never be a better time to trade Hill than right now. He has started the season slowly just like most everyone else on the roster, but his past two seasons plus the fact that he is cost controlled and the paucity of second-base solutions available will outweigh his slow start.
3. Trade Cody Ross
He was a luxury signing, and that is even more true now that Trumbo is on board. The deal they also signed him to was rich. Ross only excels at one thing, and that is hitting left-handed pitching, but if you look at the versus left-handed pitching leaderboard, you see a few guys who earn significantly less than did Ross, such as Corey Hart, Jonny Gomes and Chris Denorfia. Still, it’s a marketable skill, and if the Dbacks can clear him off the payroll while getting a B-level prospect in the deal, that’d be for the best.
4. Trade J.J. Putz and Brad Ziegler
Speaking of luxuries, 37-year-old set-up men earning $7 million are pretty much the definition of luxury. The same is true of 34-year-old set-up men making $4.5 million. Putz wasn’t all that spectacular last season, but since he returned to full-time action in 2010, his 2.69 FIP ranks 15th out of 221 qualified relievers. He won’t be hard to trade, though like with Ross, the team likely won’t get much in return. At the very least, the team needs to be sure to not re-sign him at the end of the season. At least not for $7 million. Ziegler is signed through 2015 with a club option, for not prohibitive money. It’s more than you would want to pay a getting-on-in-years set-up guy, but Ziegler still shouldn’t be hard to deal.
5. Trade Trevor Cahill and Bronson Arroyo
Cahill probably isn’t beyond saving, and Arroyo has more lives than Freddy Krueger. But even at their best, they’re not pushing Arizona closer to a championship. There’s a good chance the team won’t be able to get anyone to take their full salaries, but if they can find someone to take half of their salaries, they’ll be ahead of the game.
If you can trade those six guys and get at least half of Arroyo’s and Cahill’s contracts covered in the process, and then be sure to let Brandon McCarthy walk as a free agent at the end of the season, the team would suddenly have somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 million to play with in free agency, assuming the team wants to maintain the current payroll level.
Since that’s a reasonable assumption, we’ll go ahead and make it. Yes, the team will need some of that for arbitration raises to Wade Miley and Addison Reed, but Cliff Pennington can be non-tendered, and Eric Chavez and Joe Thatcher will also be free agents, and I wasn’t including their savings in that $50 million figure, so that is probably a wash.
In other words, the team could legitimately keep Goldschmidt, Bradley, Owings, Parra, Trumbo, Patrick Corbin, Wade Miley, Martin Prado, A.J. Pollock, etc., and set their sights on signing two of Jon Lester, Justin Masterson, Max Scherzer and James Shields in free agency. If they can pull that off, suddenly you’re not in such horrible shape. The offense is still productive, and a rotation of Bradley/Corbin/Miley plus two of the free agents is something that you could comfortably run out against the Dodgers without bracing for another pool party invasion.
Now, this won’t fix everything. Miguel Montero looks like he is going to be a huge sinkhole on that roster. He is owed $10 million this year, and then $40 million over the next three seasons after that, and it doesn’t look like his drop in power last season was a mirage. According to Baseball Heat Maps, his fly ball batted ball distance fell by nearly eight feet from 2012 to 2013, and his .086 ISO this season isn’t painting a different picture than one of rapid decline. Arizona is probably stuck with him, for better or worse (probably worse).
The Dbacks likely aren’t as bad as they have been — they’re still expected to be nearly a .500 team the rest of the way — so while you always want to strive to get younger, they don’t need to tear it all down completely. All of their dead weight actually gives them a unique opportunity. It finally looks like there will be some top shelf starting pitchers on the market this winter. The Diamondbacks won’t be able to get a ton in return for their dead weight players, but clearing them out to make a run at said pitchers won’t really make them much worse. If they can pull that off and get some more impact guys to supplement their decent core, they actually could quickly get back to where they want to be. Otherwise, it’ll be time for a new regime in the desert, because what they have now is just not working.
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There’s a 0 percent chance that the Dbacks sign 2 of those FA pitchers. They would be lucky to get one. Both Chicago teams, Houston, Boston, Det, Both NY teams will be in on those pitchers.
I find it unlikely that the Mets would consider signing any of those FA pitchers. Goes against Sandy’s style and doesn’t take into account current organizational depth.
If you’re not competing this year, of course you don’t call Bradley up (till June/July/whatever). Not doing so saves you money down the road, not saves it today. Buys you an extra player then, when you hope to pennant-chase-need-one, not now.
So trading Cahill, Ross, Arroyo, Putz, Hill etc, is going to accomplish a “reload?” A handful of B- prospects won’t help, and $50M in savings won’t necessarily bring quality free agents.
Wouldn’t trading Goldschmidt be the easiest way to reload?
He’s in the top 5 trade value IIRC…
Trade one of the best offensive players in the game who also happens to play good defense and also has an extremely team friendly contract?
There is almost no realistic return for him that would justify trading a top 10 offensive talent that you are also only paying around $8 million a year.
I was going to reply with Mike Trout, then I realized your “realistic” clause.
What a great, great deal that extension was for Arizona.
It would be the easiest way to reload, but definitely not the smartest.
Freeing up $50M in bad contracts is a lot better than trading your franchise player for the next decade. They need to build around Goldschmidt not use him as the main reloading piece.
Sorry, this doesn’t add up. They don’t just need two more good SPs. They also need big bats in RF and 3B, after moving Prado to 2B and Parra to 4th OF. The trade chips you mentioned don’t get you that. At best, they get you iffy prospects not near the majors.
I don’t think trading any of those players is going to be quite as easy as you make it sound.
Totally agree. No one takes Ross — that was a terrible signing. Cahill’s issues scream injury. Hill hasn’t showing any rebound from injury last season.
Putz is the only real piece, and he won’t be valuable until we get close to the deadline. Teams just don’t seem to trade for closers in May.
People make too much about Ross signing, it’s basically terrible because they got Trumbo, but he makes about 8.5 mil a year and puts up a good amount of WAR, 1.8 last year and at least 1.7 WAR every year before except his rookie campaign, way back in 2006, and in 2011. He’s getting paid more than a Jonny Gomes, though only by around 3 mil, but he’s also better.
“I don’t think trading any of those players is going to be quite as easy as you make it sound.”
Agreed – if there’s no market for Stephen Drew, I can’t imagine there will be one for Aaron Hill. (no draft pick compensation attached, true) I don’t know how readily tradable Arroyo is either.
not sure I agree. Power hitting 2Bmen on reasonable contracts are pretty valuable to contending teams. Could easily see Hill on the Yanks, Jays (if they could afford), ChiSox or Giants.
Polanco, Bell, and Kingham for Goldschmidt, Gregarious, and Jake Lamb.
Polanco could be worth as much as Goldschmidt as soon as 2015, Bell’s looking like a solid prospect again this year, and Kingham could be in their rotation next year. Pirates get a short term replacement for Polanco through 2019, a platoon partner for Mercer,and a possible replacement for Alvarez in a few years. Way off?
then move Trumbo to 1B and you are on your way…
“Polanco could be worth as much as Goldschmidt as soon as 2015.” So you’re thinking Polanco has a solid chance of producing more than 5+ WAR as a 23 year-old? That’s absolutely not reasonable.
Way off.
You’re missing at least two prospects on the Pirates’ side. Add Glasnow and McGuire to the package and you’re closer to realistic. The Dbacks were looking at Rafael Montero and Kevin Plawecki just for Gregorius or Owings.
‘Polanco could be worth as much as Goldschmidt as soon as 2015’
Wow. I mean there’s always the ch —
No, I was right the first time. Wow.
I think Towers tempted fate by trading away young pitching; Its an unforgivable crime for a GM. I get ARI didn’t like Trevor Bauer’s attitude and there were concerns (maybe rightly so) about Skaggs stuff playing at the MLB-level, but I still think there are very few situations which warrant trading young pitching talent.
I mean just last year, Towers gave up Bauer, a Top 100 prospect for a B-prospect SS (Gregorius), knowing that he had both a similar option available in Cliff Pennington (good glove, no bat) and a better prospect (Owings) close to MLB ready. Here we are a year later, Bauer is pitching well in AAA, and would be at the MLB level in ARI if not most teams, and Gregorius is a back-up that ARI can’t move.
I actually think the wheels fell off when they got rid of Justin Upton…
The man just wasn’t gritty enough. That’s why they had to trade him for scraps.
disagree. The return for JU still seems very good.
The trade with the Mariners seemed perfectly acceptable though. Justin Upton vetoed that one.
See ya, KT. It’s been long overdue. He’s destroyed this franchise.
No, not yet. Just keep KT for when the Cubs actually trade Samardzija for Cubs fans’ sake, for my sake.
I don’t see “destroyed”.
Which trade–Upton excluded–looks really bad now? Reynolds? Kelly Johnson? Parker? Skaggs? Bauer? Kennedy? Isn’t it possible that part of the narrative on Towers is framed by the incorrect evaluation of Arizona prospects/players–in effect, overrating them. Hey, maybe Bauer doesn’t bust–and more power to the #FreeTrevorBauer evaluators if he doesn’t–but to hammer him for not getting the return they think he should get–that doesn’t seem right, especially when the future results for those players have been…mediocre. It reminds me of the Colby Rasmus deal, again and again. Plus, this becomes an entirely different conversation if Upton doesn’t have a no-trade clause, right? The haul he got from Seattle…yes please…and twice on Sunday.
Sure, some of the signings should be lampooned and Parra should be playing full-time, fine, but his evaluation of his own players seems to be fairly good, routinely and repeatedly better than the conventional wisdom of the baseball literati.
His evaluation of players seems to be good? What? That can’t be serious. The Dbacks have all but emptied their system and have gotten relatively nothing in return (yes, I consider Mark Trumbo relatively nothing). I cannot understand how you would call this “fairly good.” The Dbacks have been good because of what they had before Towers took control; ever since, they’ve been dismantled and shipped off. The result? A terrible organization.
As a Dbacks fan and not at all a fan on KT or what is going on with the Dbacks I very much agree with this sentiment. Aside from the few young guys shipped out this past off season (Eaton, Skaggs, Davidson) he has a pretty solid evaluation of his own players. He even has a good idea of the needs of the team each off season. The problem with KT is that he knows what he needs, tells the world, fails to get it then makes a knee jerk reaction that doesn’t pan out. I understand he is fighting for his job. But, that is no reason to settle for mediocre returns.
He traded .350 woba Upton (w/ a team friendly contract, might I add) w/ good defense in LF for sub .300 woba +30 year old Prado while starting Kubel in LF. How is this good evaluation?
I can’t even really see the value of going out and aggressively trying to unload some of these guys. I can’t imagine teams picking up the full contracts of players like Ross, or even Arroyo, not to mention giving anything worthwhile back.
Towers needs to go. He makes a few decent moves now and then but he reminds me of that kid who plays franchise mode. He just trades for the sake of trading. Gets rid of a player then is looking for someone who fits that description a year later. And he always makes sure he gets what he wants, regardless of value. Signing Arroyo was pointless when they needed an ace for their rotation and already had a bunch of mid rotation guys. He’s very bad.
His last decent move was Hernandez trade. Since then he’s been trading a pile of young talent his predecessors accumulated for overpriced, over-rated veterans.
This makes too much sense for it to happen. #FireKevinTowers
The last good move he has made and will make was getting Goldschmidt to sign that extension.
The Diamondbacks suck and it is a joke that “projections” thought they had a chance over good teams like the Brewers. Also, I have been saying this before the season started so I’m not overreacting to early season results.
Losing Corbin was a big deal but Goldschmidt, Owings, Trumbo, and Parra are good pieces. The team is better than their record shows but lacks confidence and is playing poorly. Having watched every inning of the Mets’ sweep, I was confounded by Arizona’s poor play.
Trumbo is a terrible left fielder with horrible OBP. The others you mention were acquired by previous GM, so step 1, new GM.
“Also, I have been saying this before the season started so I’m not overreacting to early season results.”
Can you point us in that direction? They both strike me as 500-ish teams, somewhere in the 77 to 83-win neighborhood, with plenty of overlap in their error bars that either could be better than the other if things break their way.
I’m still predicting Bradley makes his debut against Philly when Arizona gets back home from this road trip…
I don’t know if the Diamondbacks are liable to get back a great stock of prospects for raiding their farm club. Dombrowski has been skewered for his Fister trade- which by offseason’s end was actually the largest prospect return for any ML talent. As teams look to develop and extend young players, fewer guys are selling off their lottery tickets.
Perhaps the DBacks would find it prudent to shed payroll and divert that money to scouting efforts. Otherwise, maybe they’d ought to get on the phone with Rizzo and the Nats.
For Diamondbacks fans, it’s got to be rough. When there is no correlation of attendance to winning, you have to question the motive here behind those who are running this business. Is Derrick Hall, who supposedly is an amicable man, messing up? One of many examples, think about this:
For those who live in Arizona, you can visibly see the marketing campaigns promote the family entertainment the DBacks offer. Although it is an important demographic to reach, selling a baseball team as family entertainment primarily might not be the best strategy. Because now, well now the DBacks aren’t using their funds to promote a winning baseball team, which they’ve had, but the funds are used on a demographic who doesn’t care about winning. And because this demographic doesn’t care about winning, less money is made. This is all evident in Hall’s tenure.
But Kevin Towers, yeesh. Poor DBacks. Talk about negligence. He demolished his pitching depth all in a few moves and spent 24 M on Bronson Arroyo when Maholm was RIGHT there. Rather than go out and trade for Addison Reed, a heavy fly ball pitcher, spending on Grant Balfour (you know, the money that was used on Bronson Arroyo) would’ve saved the DBacks a younger asset. Trading Skaggs and Eaton for a Kubel clone is just….like…..huh? Kevin Towers probably shouldn’t be running a franchise anytime soon.
Rant is over. You can go about your daily lives now.
Kevin Towers needs somebody honest enough to tell him that he’s been on tilt for awhile.
When you make moves that are largely justified only by your belief that you’re the smartest guy in the room, you had better be the smartest guy in the room.
Towers needs an ESPN gig as far away from the power to trade stud youngsters for crap veterans as possible.
You’re right, but… GAWD NO ON ESPN.
Cushy TV gig after near-total failure? I endorse this comment.
Wouldn’t Gregorius play short and Owings move to 2b in this scenario?
Why not trade Prado? The Royals desperately need a third baseman, and with Shields leaving next year, they are likely willing to deal. No other even decent third baseman is or will be available, except maybe Chase Headley. I’m not a Royals fan, but I’d like to see them finally win. They have a good enough team to get them to the postseason, but not with their third baseman providing negative WAR, as it has become extremely obvious that he will.
There’s no way they trade Prado after trading the face of their organization for him and then extending him. They shouldn’t have done either of those two things in the first place, and Towers would never hear the end of it if he traded Upton and Prado for minor leaguers and less money.
The biggest issue is the failure to acquire a quality SP, imo. Add the loss of Corbin and Hernandez to TJ and some slow starts in the lineup and this is where they are. The biggest mistake was the Arroyo signing imo. Given what was available, I think Colon made far more sense there if they weren’t going to go bigger. Otherwise, why not sign Escobar? To suggest that this team wasn’t set up to contend this year is being disingenuous.
They should be able to fill their roster with plenty of “gritty” players for 50 million. That will solve all of their issues.
regarding the 5 point plan:
1) calling up Bradley is a no-brainer
2) they can probably get more from dealing Gregorius than from dealing Hill given the contract status of the two.
3) trading Cody Ross is a no-brainer tho he probably won’t have much value until he puts together a nice 2 month stretch so that’s a mid-season trade.
4) it’s fine to deal Putz but what can they get for a $7M RP with a balky shoulder? Ziegler is prob worth keeping.
5) trading Cahill and Arroyo sounds like pipe dream material. Signing Arroyo and ignoring his peripherals was KT’s big mistake tho it shouldn’t be crippling since it’s only for 2 seasons.
Their best bet is to deal Gregorius imo. He’s a great fit for the Mets, tho there seems to be a deep freeze between the two FOs which is another problem that KT will have to work thru. Now, the Mets are not in a position to deal one of their top arm prospects so that would be a non-starter but there is enough pitching depth to work with.
I could see the Braves and Angels in particular having interest in Ross. The Halos would prob like Putz also.
I think it’s far from a lost cause in the desert but yeah things have gone a little off the rails, but it’s nothing that can’t be tweaked back.