The Giants Are Stuck

Things haven’t exactly gone according to plan for the Giants. A year after winning the Wild Card game, they’ve got the worst record in baseball and, as of right now, a 7% chance of making the playoffs. They’ve lost their ace to a foolish dirt-bike accident, and their starters at shortstop and center field, as well as their closer, are on the DL. They’ve scored the second-fewest runs of any team, and their run differential of -69 makes that even worse. It’s May 10th and the Giants may already be dead.

Teams this far out of the playoff picture typically make the most of it by offloading pieces to contenders in exchange for prospects. It’s much too early in the year for theoretical contenders to be pushing their chips to the center of the table just yet, but it’s not too early for them to be surveying the shape of the market. Unfortunately for both buyers and San Francisco, the Giants may not have many pieces to pick over.

Players who get moved at midseason usually don’t have much time remaining on their contracts before they hit free agency. They’re guys who may not be around when the selling team is making its next playoff run — or whom the club can otherwise afford to replace. The Giants have pretty much their entire core under contract for next year. Only Hunter Pence and possibly Denard Span (depending on how the Giants decide to handle his option) will leave for free agency following 2018’s conclusion. They’ll have Bumgarner back at full strength next year, and in the unlikely event that Johnny Cueto doesn’t opt out, he’ll be there, too. If Cueto does opt out, this upcoming free-agent class doesn’t lack for premium starting pitching, on which the Giants have repeatedly shown themselves willing to spend.

That’s all a somewhat roundabout way of saying that the Giants don’t exactly have a ton of expendable trade chips at the moment. This season doesn’t look like the start of an irreparable decline as much as it looks like a rather large bump in the road. There’s no reason the Giants can’t be competitive next year, even if they do lose Cueto. But barring a massive resurgence and excellent play from their currently injured players, the Giants aren’t going anywhere this year, and they’re not really in a position to better prepare themselves for the future.

San Francisco has two notable players in their walk years: Matt Moore and Eduardo Nunez. The latter broke out in a big way last year, but has struggled to a 66 wRC+ thus far. He certainly becomes much more interesting if he starts to hit again. Even if he does, though, it’s hard to imagine the Giants getting much of worth for him. Moore is in a somewhat similar situation in that he hasn’t been pitching well, but he does have two club options on his current deal that could keep him out of free agency until after the 2019 season. Left-handers are always in demand, and he could be moved if he finds a groove.

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Cueto could also be moved if the Giants anticipate that he’ll opt out, but that’s a much more complicated situation. San Francisco would be forfeiting the chance to put a qualifying offer on Cueto, and potential buyers could be wary of taking a chance on him, knowing that he’d be much more likely to opt in if he gets hurt following the trade. The acquiring team would then be saddled with a rather large payroll commitment for the future.

Theres no slam-dunk trade candidate here. The Giants could theoretically dangle someone like Hunter Strickland, who’s having himself a fine year. He’s cheap and controllable, though, and San Francisco would surely like to have him around if and when they try to contend in 2018. There’s a caveat with almost every player. The Giants are stuck between a rock and a hard place right now, caught in a limbo that was nearly unforeseeable. The struggles of the team weren’t initially surprising, but the Madison Bumgarner injury opened an even deeper wound, one that couldn’t have come at a worse time given Cueto’s possible departure at season’s end. The Giants can still make a run at contention next year, but it’ll be much harder without Cueto around. This was to be their last real hurrah, with the two aces forming the backbone of the team. Instead, they’ve been crippled.

Flipping pieces from the big-league roster for prospects is the one meager silver lining of a bad season. The Giants may not even be able to do that. They’ll need all that they can salvage for next year, and their expendable assets are performing too poorly to capitalize on. It’s unfortunate, seeing as they had just two prospects on our pre-season top 100 list (one of whom has already made his debut). The Giants lack minor-league depth, and it’s one of the reasons they’re in bad shape. It’s the reason they’re sending Nunez to have adventures in left field, and why Gorkys Hernandez is still being run out in center field despite already amassing -0.7 WAR on the year.

This may just be a long, arduous slog of a season for San Francisco.





Nick is a columnist at FanGraphs, and has written previously for Baseball Prospectus and Beyond the Box Score. Yes, he hates your favorite team, just like Joe Buck. You can follow him on Twitter at @StelliniTweets, and can contact him at stellinin1 at gmail.

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themightyquinn
9 years ago

At first glance, I thought the title of this article was “The Giants Are Suck”, which also would have been appropriate.

Chill
9 years ago
Reply to  themightyquinn

Or replace the “st” with an F and add an -ed as a suffix.

FrodoBeck
9 years ago
Reply to  Chill

Or even just “Uck”

That word sums up the season so far I’d say

tramps like us
9 years ago
Reply to  themightyquinn

As a Giants fan, I would resent that. Except that I thought it said that, too. And they really do suck.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

Yeah, this is exactly what I (probably we) thought when Nicholas wrote the Bumgarner article.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/madison-bumgarner-crashes-his-bike-and-playoff-hopes/

I think they’re probably stuck in the middle this year, playing this one out and hoping Cueto opts in to try again next year. Which is also totally reasonable. But they really need to figure out their outfield situation next year…and who knows, maybe they got hot and make a late run.

thetoddfather
9 years ago

I respect them. They may be evil, but they are being responsible and paying up on the massive karmic loans they took out a number of seasons ago.

After all, a Lannister always pays his debts…

Sleepy
9 years ago
Reply to  thetoddfather

Totally agree. From 2010 to 2014, the Giants somehow won three rings and ten consecutive postseason series despite averaging just 87 wins per season over that span.

They’re due three-ish consecutive decades of MadBum dirtbike accidents and other assorted karmic nonsense.

GG_huson
9 years ago
Reply to  thetoddfather

I never realized how many parallels existed between the Giants and the Lannisters. This comment could be directly copy-pasted onto a GoT thread and make perfect sense.

mikejuntMember
9 years ago
Reply to  GG_huson

As a Dodger fan, I am so good with this.

tramps like us
9 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Don’t you know? Giants fans would rather see the Dodgers lose than for them to win. October will make it all better. Meanwhile, dig out your VCR and play the videotapes of your last title.

nenrightMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  tramps like us

Giants fans caring more about the dodgers than their own team? im shocked. SHOCKED.

https://twitter.com/ChadMoriyama/status/844774698093240320

tramps like us
9 years ago
Reply to  nenright

Look…I’m 60. Until 2010, we’d never won the series. This in spite of (my earliest baseball memories) a perennially great 1960’s team with Mays, Marichal, McCovey, Cepeda and Perry. In spite of 1987, being up 3-2 over St. Louis and the opportunity to play the cupcake Twins, then losing game 6, 1- 0, and game 7. In spite of having the Angels on the ropes in 2002. Etc., etc. I don’t worry about 1989, we got smoked by a better team and a damn earthquake.

This is the short version, I could write a book. I came to terms with the fact that we’d never win, so settling for the next best thing was as good as it got. So somehow we won 3 in 5 years…the absolute last people who expected that were Giants fans. Old habits die hard. So reverting back to settling for the Dodgers losing again is easy. If that’s pathetic, I don’t give a shit. It is what it is. We were toughened by 56 years of zero titles. You can’t do anything worse to us, LOL. I hope the Dodgers win 110 games…before the playoffs. ‘Cuz they won’t win the series. And dejected Dodgers fans in October….now THAT’S entertainment!

JoserMember since 2021
9 years ago
Reply to  thetoddfather

For the Giants, winter is not coming. It’s already here.

Thr33Rings
9 years ago

BUNCH OF HATERS, for sure. This Giants team is too good to be this bad and will fight back to snag one of the WC spots, or more. Rockies and D-Backs are butt and will regress hard AF. You guys here are always crying sample size well SAMPLE SIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sammy Sooser
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

Turns out that fan is short for fanatic. Who knew?

Thr33Rings
9 years ago
Reply to  Sammy Sooser

You are trippin if you think this Giants team is as bad as they are currently playing. This team had 100 wins in their future at the beginning of the season now they are probably just a high 80s team. Shark and Cueto are better than their numbers say and MadBum will be back with a vengeance. It would be so dumb if they blew this team up– the talent is real.

Eucker's Tuba
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

You’re 11-23 with 128 games left. To get 85 wins, SF has to win at around a ~.580 clip the rest of the year. I’ll take the under.

Thr33Rings
9 years ago
Reply to  Eucker's Tuba

well I’ll take the over.

cs3
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

Vegas will gladly take however much money you have.

channelclemente
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

Well, maybe 86-88.

Failedstate
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

This is better than I ever imagined it could be.

1for108
9 years ago

Its a bad start and will be a major uphill climb for them. But I wouldnt say theyre done yet. The 2013 Dodgers were 30-42 in June yet finished 2 wins from the World Series. Of course they’ve also been flat out bad going back to the all star game last year as well.

puddleMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  1for108

Ok, but on June 12, 2013, those Dodgers called up this Cuban dude who had an wRC+ of 160 over 432 plate appearances the rest of the year, and ripped off a 42-8 run.

Unless the Giants have 2013 Yasiel Puig lying around somewhere, I don’t think that any such miracle is happening in SF.

1for108
9 years ago
Reply to  puddle

Yeah you’re right. I dont think it’s likely they make a run at the postseason. They are better than they look right now though.

david k
9 years ago
Reply to  1for108

hard to believe they could look much worse…

tramps like us
9 years ago
Reply to  puddle

For some reason your focus is all on 2013, not on 2012 or 2014? When did Dodger fans start finding fulfillment on qualifying for the playoffs?

puddleMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  tramps like us

What?

I was responding to a comment that specifically referred to the 2013 Dodgers and why they may or may not be a good comp for the 2017 Giants.

nenrightMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  puddle

And not just 2013 Puig and his 160 wRC+, but also 2013 Hanley Ramirez and his 191 wRC+

channelclemente
9 years ago
Reply to  puddle

Maybe Greinke deserves just a little of the credit as well.

scotman144Member since 2016
9 years ago

San Diego’s line on that plot is possibly the most entertaining straight line I have ever observed.

Sleepy
9 years ago
Reply to  scotman144

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Mr. Blutarsky. Zero-point-zero.

david k
9 years ago
Reply to  scotman144

And yet, they’re 2 games up on the Giants in the standings at the present time.

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  scotman144

Ha, I had to go back and look at the graph. Mistook their playoff odd for the x-axis.

Johnston
9 years ago

Karma is such a bitch.

J2butter
9 years ago
Reply to  Johnston

t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-hree rings

J2butter
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

keep the downvotes comin’, nerds.

still polishing over here.

snwbrdr3886
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

Gotta love that Giants fan still stick to that 3 rings in 5 years even though it’ll be 3 years since they won one, but hey in 5 more years they can still say 3 rings in 10 years and Buster, Crawford, and Belt will be 35 and they’ll still have no farm system, and who know’s if Bumgarner’s shoulder will be the same. But hey you can still say that you have 3 rings in 5 years because there’s nothing like living in the past.

J2butter
9 years ago
Reply to  snwbrdr3886

*pauses between maintenance on 2010 and 2012 trophies*

sorry, what was that?

tramps like us
9 years ago
Reply to  snwbrdr3886

wow…..3 whole years! So 2 teams have won more recently, right? And Dodger fans haven’t won in 29 years. And the Giants won at least 2 of those titles by barely getting in, then playing their very best when it mattered the most and beating better teams. You know, being lucky. Other than that, though, you’re absolutely right.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

I don’t think that Giants fans are actually any more awful than other fans. I just think that the Giants fans *here* are more annoying.

tramps like us
9 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Point taken. We are.

Thr33Rings
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

Did someone mention my name?

FS54
9 years ago

Off-topic, I found out browsing through some old data that Giants franchise is 38 wins away from being first club to win 11000 games in franchise history.

As far as current team is concerned, they will find out whether to trade some pieces or not by July. Who knows, they might even get in a position to buy.

J2butter
9 years ago
Reply to  FS54

most wins, most HOFers, biggest fan base per capita, most NL pennants, and the 2 best players of all-time.

Probably the biggest average dick size, too.

Bow down.

FS54
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofstat.shtml
Yankees have more HOFs and better winning percentage.

J2butter
9 years ago
Reply to  FS54

read it again.

FS54
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

What am I missing?

J2butter
9 years ago
Reply to  FS54

NY Giants – 20
SF Giants – 5

FS54
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

Yankees – 24
Highlanders – 2

Just checked New York Gothams (which is what Giants were called initially) has 3 inductees to their name which does not make sense since Gothams were renamed after 3 years. I will have to double check this list.

Chill
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

Babe Ruth played for the Giants?!?

Lanidrac
9 years ago
Reply to  J2butter

I’ll give you Willie Mays, but when did Babe Ruth play for the Giants?

channelclemente
9 years ago

Wow, this is really a Giants-centric comments section. LOL.

CamH
9 years ago

I can understand optimism for some teams after poor starts – teams do underperform and get streaky, that’s sport.

But when you look at this Giants roster…it’s mud. Talent can turn teams around – the Giants suffer from a lack of talent.

Tip your cap to them for 3 rings, heck of an effort. Eventually, what many predicted would come true, has come true – the farm just doesn’t have the horses to bolster the big boy squad. Overachieving is not a recipe for consistent success.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

Look, the Giants season looks bad and they’d have to have the mother of all hot streaks to make it work this year but this whole “the Giants are finished forever seems a little premature,” right? If Cueto is bad enough that he opts in, they fix the outfield, Arroyo gets a little better…this is not a juggernaut like the Cubs/Dodgers/Nationals but they’ve got a shot in 2018. And that’s sort of the point Nicholas is getting at–that they’re not logical sellers because they could still contend next year.

ashlandateam
9 years ago

This comment section should be titled, ‘Fangraphs Users Who Will Make You Root Against The Giants. Even Posey and Cueto, The Ones Every Baseball Fan Enjoys Watching.’

LostCricketFan
9 years ago

Just a realistic Giants fan passing through…

mr.slave28
9 years ago
Reply to  LostCricketFan

Seriously, the other Giants fans above are just a cancer.

tramps like us
9 years ago
Reply to  mr.slave28

For which, in spite of science’s best efforts, there is no cure. You can’t beat us down. Ever.