The Giants Should Stop Prioritizing Outfield Help
The Giants have been one of the busier teams this offseason, wheeling and dealing their way to a markedly different roster in just a few months. Since December 15th alone, the club has traded away left-hander Matt Moore, a general disappointment in the 240 innings he had thrown for the Giants. They followed this up by acquiring two faces of their former franchises: Moore’s one-time Tampa Bay teammate Evan Longoria and Andrew McCutchen. The most recent deal has the Giants signing Austin Jackson for two years and $6 million to round out their starting outfield.
Or so it seemed.
Giants president of baseball operations Brian Sabean seemed to suggest otherwise recently, according to reports by Alex Pavlovic and John Shea.
“He’s certainly a viable option,” Sabean said of Jackson. “Did we get him to be our everyday center fielder? Probably not. I don’t know that in his recent history, he’s been able to go out there in that fashion.”
Sabean might not be wrong about Jackson. Even though he was an effective player from 2010 to -15, he turns 31 in a week and hit the disabled list twice last season. Jackson might be best relied on as a part-time player, albeit a very good one.
So were does that leave the Giants? They seem to be keeping an eye on the market for outfielders, probably with a view towards acquiring a cheap option somewhere along the line. This search, combined with their financial position, seems to leave the team focused on a particular goal in mind, one that fails to address one of their most glaring needs.
There’s no doubt that the Giants were bad last season. Their .395 win percentage marked the franchise’s worst since 1985. But it’s also no secret that the team massively underperformed expectations, a point recently addressed by Jeff Sullivan. Brandon Belt and Brandon Crawford both took huge steps back from the 2015 and 2016 campaigns, combining for half of their production in either of those two seasons. Joe Panik’s BABIP stabilized, but his defense seemed to regress. Hunter Pence continued his long slide to the worst season of his 11-year career. Not even Buster Posey being Buster Posey could keep this team’s offense from ending up as the worst in baseball.
All this is why the Giants could go into 2018 with a fairly positive outlook, as Carson Cistulli noted in his writeup of the club’s ZiPS projections. There is talent on the team; a lot of it just had a bad year all at once. A little positive regression by Belt, Crawford, and Panik, and suddenly the Giants look a lot better.
And those ZiPS projections were published two weeks, when it looked like San Francisco would be playing Gorkys Hernandez, Jarrett Parker, and Mac Williamson regularly in the outfield. The combination of the McCutchen trade and Jackson signing serves only to augment the offense further, leading to potentially a huge turnaround for the Giants in 2018. The projections at the time of the McCutchen trade had the Giants pegged for 85 wins, good enough for the second Wild Card.
So why the focus on the outfield market? Well, it’s not as if the outfield is flawless as presently constructed. For one, the defense out there isn’t inspiring. Pence, moving to left field for the first time next year, is 35 and has seen his fielding value decline recently. McCutchen’s defensive ability has been dissected over the years, and Jackson’s defense has also gone below average, too. For another thing, the trio of McCutchen, Jackson, and Pence –even add Gorkys Hernandez, if you want — are all right-handed batters. A left-handed bat to occasionally spell these three, especially Jackson, against righties would be a reasonable addition to the team.
Unfortunately, the market for lefty outfielders is a little sparse. You’re looking at Carlos Gonzalez, Andre Ethier, Jon Jay, Michael Saunders, and Ichiro. The addition of switch-hitters only tacks on Melky Cabrera. Complicating things further is the fact that the Giants don’t have much room to spend, sitting just $2.1 million shy of the luxury tax, which teams are actively trying to avoid in preparation for the free-agent bonanza of the 2018-19 offseason.
Their lefty outfielder could be filled by a trade for a pre-arbitration player (unlikely) or by an internal option. Chris Shaw is the organization’s second-best prospect according to Baseball America. He’s a first baseman who experimented with left field last year. Steven Duggar, meanwhile, possesses less power but more speed and better defense. Either could ostensibly fill the role. However, it’s a bit beside the point. All this focus on the outfield is obscuring the bigger problem for San Francisco in 2018.
The Giants seem to be building a team concerned specifically with winning in the playoffs. Once there, they can run the offense they’re building out behind a three-man rotation of Madison Bumgarner, Jeff Samardzija, and Johnny Cueto — probably to good effect. But to win in the playoffs they’ll have to get there first, and to get there they are counting on positive regression from several hitters. This is not necessarily unreasonable, but they are also relying on receiving major contributions from young players out of the fourth and fifth rotation spots and bullpen. The focus on bolstering their offense and outfield seems to have come at the expense of finding quality starting options.
The current candidates to fill the next two rotation spots are Ty Blach, Chris Stratton, and Tyler Beede. Blach made 24 starts in 2017 but lost his rotation spot in September after an August that saw him give up 23 earned runs in 37 innings. Stratton held a 2.98 ERA through 10 starts but also walked nearly 4.5 batters per 9 innings. Beede came into 2017 as a top-100 prospect according to MLB.com and Baseball America but struggled mightily, his strikeout rate backing up to previous levels and his home-run rate spiking in the homer-happy PCL.
Both Steamer and ZiPS are skeptical of the trio, projecting all three to put up ERAs and FIPs north of 4.
| Player | Steamer IP |
Steamer ERA |
Steamer FIP |
Steamer WAR |
ZiPS ERA |
ZiPS FIP |
ZiPS WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chris Stratton | 154 | 4.31 | 4.41 | 1.4 | 4.66 | 4.62 | 0.4 |
| Ty Blach | 115 | 4.58 | 4.65 | 0.7 | 4.59 | 4.48 | 0.6 |
| Tyler Beede | 55 | 4.28 | 4.45 | 0.5 | 4.69 | 4.71 | 0.3 |
Maybe there will ultimately be another option for the Giants. Maybe Andrew Suarez will surprise. Maybe this offseason’s historically slow free-agent market will yield some bargain. Maybe they find a reclamation project like Chris Tillman to fill the back of the rotation. But that’s a lot of a maybes for a team hoping to do damage in October.
All that said, I certainly believe the Giants will be better than last year. I also believe that they will be above .500. They may even contend for the postseason, but that’s far from guaranteed. They play in a division with three playoff teams from last year, none of which were the Giants themselves. Arizona is projected to finish only two games behind San Francisco, and Colorado will not go away quietly either, despite my own misgivings about them. By focusing on their offense and constructing a team that seems to be geared toward winning in the postseason, the Giants stand to miss out on the party altogether.
Stephen Loftus is a Visiting Assistant Professor in Mathematical Sciences at Sweet Briar College in Virginia. In his spare time he usually can be found playing the pipe organ or working on his rambling sabermetric thoughts.
Keon Broxton appears to be odd man out in MIL after getting Cain and Yelich. Brewers wanna keep Domingo Santana and Brett Phillips unless they get a stud pitcher in return for them.
I see a lot of Giant fans in on Broxton.
If I ran the Brewers, I would not feel compelled to donate a center fielder to a team I may be competing with for a wild card spot. I am sure there is a home for someone in the American League or in Miami or San Diego.
This is an excellent point, and it reinforces the real issue…that despite Broxton’s stock falling, he’s going to be way more expensive than a half decent strong side platoon option.
Please No! He should be K’ing in AAA. I don’t think it was ever smart of the Brewers to give him a starting job and I think their signings are evidence that they realize their mistake.
I’d assume Keon Broxton would be a possible trade target, although he doesn’t solve the RH batter issue.
Dyson is the perfect platoon partner for Jackson. A little surprised he hasn’t landed already.
The Giants apparently made an offer to Dyson but he wants more money than they offered.
Broxton’s career wOBA splits
vs LHP: 358
vs RHP: 302
Dyson
vs LHP: 253
vs RHP: 309
Broxton is basically the same vs Dyson against righties. Dyson is also 33 vs just 27 for Broxton. Dyson has no upside, Broxton has a little bit.
If they were going to trade for Broxton, they could have done that without signing Jackson to a MLB deal.
I mean, why would you trade for Broxton to platoon him with another right-handed batter?
Besides, it’s not clear that a strong-side platoon mate is really worth spending prospect capital for, given that his value comes from the weak-side.
My only point was Dyson might not even give you better platoon production vs RHP than Broxton considering their career wOBA splits.
Worth noting that the Giants bullpen ranked 25th last year and that the only improvement coming is Will Smith’s possible second half return from TJ. Giants fans know this bullpen really needs improvements and firing Dave Righetti probably won’t help the pen.
I think the Giants should give up on being under the luxury tax and just go for some relievers and a starter. They aren’t going to be a hugely desirable landing spot for Kershaw/Harper/Machado/other big name free agents with such an aging core and a loaded division rival like the Dodgers. Besides if they hit on a good pitcher or two for a reasonable price, as most of the remaining market this off season seems to be, they’ll be able to flip them midseason 2019 or 2020 to start the inevitable rebuild.
Melancon, Derek Law should be improved
Melancon hopefully is better than last year, but as a year 33 reliever he’s probably in decline. Derek Law might be post peak as well, not sure he’ll ever get his walks back down to 2016 levels, though hopefully he won’t give up so many home runs. It’s just no where near the bullpens of the 6 teams at the top of their divisions, the teams they are going to have to hold leads against in the playoffs.
The worst bullpens often project around 3 WAR, the best around 6 WAR. This gap is often easily made up by variance, as reliever variance is massive.
A few of the best relievers in MLB didn’t start off last year as relievers. Moderate velocity failed SPs are frequently reinventing themselves as top relievers, as are a number of scrap heap players.
SF currently projects for 4 WAR out of it’s bullpen, certainly behind the top clubs as you mention, but the Melancon situation alone illustrates how tedious is can be to pay huge for that 1WAR or 2WAR extra reliever.
D.J. Snelton, for example, projects for 0.8 WAR and yet may spend the whole season at AAA- promoting Snelton alone could swing SF up to 5 WAR, same projection as the Dodgers.
Down-votes for you, sir… although I am not sure why…
It doesn’t make much sense to be, say, $11m over the tax at year end, since every club can generally get creative, trade a few 40 or 45 FV guys, or trade some int’l pool space, etc., and squeak under if the overage is moderate.
Clubs have all season to get under the year-end tax assessment- so there are so many opportunities to do things like we see the Dodgers doing (i.e. swap bad contract for lower AV bad contract, etc) to stay under the tax. There really is no reason to give up on being under the luxury tax just for a #3 SP and 2 relievers- SF could still get under the tax by making an NBA-style dump of either Pence or Melancon, or otherwise acquiring cash, etc.
The only major decision was to add the “free-to-a-good-home” McCutchen or use the payroll/tax space to sign Lynn or Cobb if either could be had for that amount.
A rotation with three 200 inning guys and 3 maybes, two of which have experience as MLB starters, should get them deep enough in the season to know if they are in the hunt or not.
They can make a trade later if they have a need while giving their own guys a chance to start the season – pushing either to a long relief role immediately caps their value to the team.
As backup, they likely have Bay Area hero Bartolo Colon on speed dial!
Yes seems to me most Giants sportswrites, hard core fans, and others who follow the team closely understand that signing a expereienced SP on the cheap is a priority over getting another OF.
Also, when Savvy Sabes said Jackson was “probably not” going to be the every day CF, I suspect he was thinking of internal option Steve Duggar.
I’m stumped at what makes Austin Jackson a very good player.
very good “part time player”.
Projects as not much better than replacement, 0.6 WAR/600 PA
Wow, it seems as if completely ignoring and disrespecting the talents of Yusmiero Petit and Albert Suarez continues to hamper the Giants.
Dude, smoke crack on your own time. Petit hasn’t pitched for the Giants since 2015, and he recently signed a 9M/2Y contract (plus a 5.5M option or 1M buyout for 2020) with Oakland; Suarez was taken in the Rule 5 draft last month by the AZD four days after the Giants resigned him.
Not sure what those facts have to do with the Giants disrespecting and ignoring Yusmiero Petit and Albert Suarez. The Giants witnessed greatness from Petit many times and refused to even consider upgrading his mop-up role, and then jettisoned him like a piece of sub-replacement level trash. Petit was the 3rd or 4th best SP the Giants had during his entire stint, but was never given an opportunity, even after proving himself time and time again.
Suarez was one of their best relievers last year, more impressive than anything Ty Blach has ever done, showed much more potential than Sam Dyson did while with the team, but again, ignored by the Giants and dropped from the 40-man roster when they didn’t have to.
The Petit move hurt really bad at the time. Went almost totally unnoticed.
His streak was one of the coolest, most unique baseball memories I will ever have.
“The addition of switch-hitters only tacks on Melky Cabrera.” He sort of wore out his welcome last time around. I wouldn’t give him a 2% chance of landing here.
Disagree. Dyson would fit SF – likely available under $9m/WAR on a short deal- would add ~2 WAR with shared playing time, staying under the tax.
Upgrading 4th/5th SP doesn’t do much unless a team is adding a #3 or better: but those are expensive. Cobb and Arrieta will likely get 4+ years and money that would push SF into the tax.
Stratton as the 4th SP with Beede and Suarez trading the 5th spot depending on split matchups, would seem to be at least average, whereas the Giants project below average at two OF spots. Stratton and rookie Beede each project to about 2 WAR/200 IP. Two more would-be rookies, Chase Johnson and Tyler Herb, also project at 2 WAR/200 IP. Suarez, as noted in the article, is a similar option. They all have a reasonable chance of posting 7.3Ks/3.4BB/1.2 HRs or so per 9, average backend stuff.
SF doesn’t have similar inhouse OF options. Duggars projects for 0.6 WAR/600, same as Jackson and Slater while Shaw is a year away from a solid projection, currently a 0.1 WAR/600.
Agreed, however, that SP Blach is unimpressive with his 4 Ks/9 last year. He is projected for 1.4 WAR/200IP, but his extreme lack of Ks may indicate that his ERA will generally lag his FIP.
Tillman would be a poor add IMO- he doesn’t do anything well and projects to post 6.4 K/3.7 BB/1.5 HR per 9, for 1 WAR/200 IPs. He lived off of limiting hard contact during the recent mini-dead ball era, but neither the low BABIP or HR/9 project as likely to return.
Dyson would be a far more cost-effective way to upgrade IMO (although trade market likely most effective).
the article states the giants have about 2.1 million to spend before they hit the luxry tax. they can’t afford dyson
That assumes the Giants are actually trying to avoid the LT. At this point, they seem kind of all-in with their current roster…
SF has $7.5m under tax as of today.
COTs has an expense line at the bottom of each team sheet that projects 8 players at $675k each, as later in-season additions to fill in the back of the 40-man. SF has a number of options to quite easily find the room.
A 2+ WAR OF for the FA-market cost of 1WAR is good business for a team with two below average OF positions. Dyson has the 31st best OF WAR/600 (2.3) projection in MLB.
“Stratton as the 4th SP with Beede and Suarez trading the 5th spot”
Suarez is a member of the Diamondbacks; for that reason, I do not think he will be trading rotation starts with Beede. Also, how do you figure that the Giants could still sign Dyson and stay under the CBT threshold?
Ah, my bad: a case of the mistaken Suarezes–Andrew v. Albert, no relation. I think it is very plausible that Andrew could make his debut this year, particularly if there is an injury or if more than one of Stratton, Blach, and Beede struggles.
I still don’t understand, though, how ThomServo thinks the Giants could still sign Dyson and “would add ~2 WAR with shared playing time, staying under the tax”. Neither the math nor the projection seem feasible to me.
It wouldn’t be hard to sign Jarrod Dyson and stay under the tax. Any cash acquired lowers the taxed payroll amount- see the Pittsburgh cash contribution listed at the bottom.
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Cots has them with $2.1m in space right now, while Dave/Crowd project Dyson to sign for 2/19m.
Notably, Cots projects SF to make 8 in-season additions to the 40man roster, averaging 675,000 each (168k above major league minimum).
That’s $5.4m in actual tax room today, in addition to the $2.1m), but the 5.4 is expected to get used up by 40-man fill-ins by end of the year.
SF could chop $1.3m off that ’40 man fill in price’ by simply using players on major league minimums to step up for injured 40man players.
Either way, SF would likely want to come up with $6-7m in cash or salary relief- hardly difficult. They could probably sell a $1-2m or so in free agent pool money for $6m in cash. Guys like MR Cory Gearrin ($1.7m) and Nick Hundley ($2.5m) could be moved without much effort or harm, both in their 30s and projected for less than 0.5 WAR but coming off of credible seasons. Moving Sam Dyson and his ~$5m would clear up most all the needed room.
If the idea is to trade nobody from the current 40man- than trading away any 40FV prospect should come close. SF has 11 prospects graded as 40FV last year, none in their top 10.
The part of the SF roster that is furthest under average and easiest to fix is the OF- failing to fix the OF and focusing on bringing in Chris Tillman would be pretty backwards.
Cots tax tracker has SF with 18 players under contract so if you fill out the 25 man roster with near league minimum (7x 675K = $4.25M) you come up w/ $2 million under. So $2 million under LT is accurate.
The Giant’s outfield has certainly been its weakest link for a while now. As a fan, I am happy to see them trying to address it even if those are not the idea guys for the job.
Jaime Garcia and Brett Anderson seem like reasonable fliers for a team with a good IF defense. Granted they might suck or DL themselves but there’s some upside.
From the comments of their FO and the reporting of people who actually cover the Giants, it appears to me they are only still prioritizing OF help to the extent they can find a cheap, defense first CF. A lefty hitter who fits that description might be preferred as a more established alternative to Duggar to let him come along at his own pace or to platoon w/Jackson if Duggar doesn’t pan out. However w/3 everyday LHH in the lineup already in Belt, Crawford, and Panik, and given the home park they play in, I don’t think handedness is really a priority.
If the Giants really only have ~$2m left to spend, making a deal for a pre-arb CF with average or above range (since even average would be a HUGE upgrade over Span) seems like a wise use of resources to me. Even if that player projects to have a lot of question marks offensively, the Giants could still get solid value out of them even just as a defensive replacement. Ideally what they’d really love is to pluck another Andres Torres or Gregor Blanco out of of someone else’s farm. Failing that though I think they’d settle for a CF version of what Nate Schierholtz when he was finishing every game for Burrell on their first championship team. It may not seem like much but given how horrible their defense in CF was last year, what else could they target at that price point that could fit such a glaring need (even if only part time)? I certainly don’t see them getting a worthwhile SP for that.
I don’t know where talks with the Reds broke down over Billy Hamilton or if that’s still a possibility, but the Giants’ interest there even before they made the deals for Longoria and McCutchen should tell you what they are really targeting with their remaining OF spot. It’s not more offense.
Why settle for imitations when you can pluck the real Gregor Blanco?
So they did.
Yeah I was happy to see that. At Blanco’s age I hope he has enough left in the tank to make a real contribution, but it would certainly be very Giants-y if he could.
Dyson really seems like the best candidate to me but I take it they’re just too far apart on price.