The Growing Belief in Ohtani’s Lesser Half

TEMPE, Ariz. — The center-field fence at the Angels’ spring-training home sits 420 feet away from home plate. Beyond it are craggy, red-rock hills, and nearer but still beyond the playing field, a green, aluminum batter’s eye that has a height perhaps around 30 feet.

At Angels camp last week, I asked the club’s hitting coach, Eric Hinske, if he’s experienced any “Wow,” slack-jawed moments while observing the early days of Shohei Ohtani as a major-league hitter.

All the time, Hinske says.

“He hits the ball over the batting eye like with every swing in batting practice,” Hinske said.

To get a sense of what that swing looks like at its best, here’s footage of all Ohtani’s NPB home runs:

The power — at least the BP variety — is real.

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But Ohtani is being viewed as a pitching-first prospect. That’s typically the case when you have a fastball that averaged 97.5 mph last season in the NPB, along with a biting splitter and curveball. But Ohtani is so fascinating, of course, because he’s going to be given the chance to be the game’s most significant two-way player since Babe Ruth.

That dual status is the primary reason why a swarm of domestic and Japanese reporters have descended upon the Phoenix suburb of Tempe this spring. Last Thursday, Ohtani’s every move on the field was seemingly observed and captured by a dozen or so photographers on an atypically cool March day hours before the Angels traveled to Scottsdale to face the Giants in an exhibition game. I, along with the Angels/Ohtani media corps — a group probably around 40 strong for a morning workout — watched batting practice from the first-base grandstand. Mike Trout peppered the grassy knoll beyond the left-field fence. No one seemed to care much. That’s routine. But Ohtani’s light tosses were repeatedly photographed by the clicks of digital cameras. Eventually, Ohtani’s interpreter approached the collection of media and informed us Ohtani would not be speaking after the workout. This is a different kind of rookie.

Ruth eventually became a bat-only player. Ninety-nine years after Ruth last regularly pitched, it remains to be seen if Ohtani will become an arm-only performer. But this author suspects his bat might be underrated — and it goes beyond batting-practice displays that rival those shows put on by Trout and fellow teammate Justin Upton.

I wrote about how Ohtani might be better than many thought prior to his decision to sign with the Angels. Part of my bullishness on Ohtani’s bat stems from Clay Davenport’s translation of Ohtani’s 2016 NPB campaign, his age-21 season. Consider the translated MLB totals: 324 at-bats, 14 home runs, 34 walks, 89 strikeouts, a .306/.367/.512 slash line, a league-leading mark in translated slugging, and the second-best equivalent average (.298).

While that forecast might appear overly optimistic, recall that there have also been doubts about other notable foreign professionals Jose Abreu (translated previous season OPS 1.010, actual rookie OPS .964), Jung Ho Kang (translated previous season OPS .856, actual rookie OPS .816), and Yoenis Cespedes (translated OPS .836, actual rookie OPS .861).

While some scouts were skeptical regarding Abreu, Cespedes, and Kang, the Davenport Translations were bullish — and, ultimately, remarkably accurate. Of course, that same system also favored Byung-ho Park.

Another reason to be bullish on Ohtani’s bat? His age. The NPB is the best non-MLB professional league in the world, and he was named as its best DH as a 21-year-old. He’s 23 now. He should still be several years away from entering his physical prime. He should still be improving.

We’ll have to see how aggressive the Angels are in allotting him at-bats. In any case, the Angels seem more and more interested in getting Ohtani looks as the hitter in 2018. Craig Edwards noted the Angels seemed to be creating space for Ohtani’s bat — most notably, by sending C.J. Cron to the Rays.

On Thursday, Angels manager Mike Scioscia indicated that the Angels have become more open to increasing the initial conservative number of at-bats the club was expected to give Ohtani.

Scioscia was asked about whether Ohtani might hit on days before he pitches.

“Right now, when the season opens up, we’re going to look at it,” Scioscia said. “There’s a lot of effort a pitcher has to put into pitching. It might erode some of the opportunities he has to hit. We’re going to be flexible with everything we do. If it comes down to ‘He’s not going to hit the day before he pitches,’ so be it. If it’s the day after he’s not available, so be it. But I think we need to be flexible as we go through it and work this out.”

The Angels seem more open to more Ohtani at-bats. And perhaps it goes beyond selling tickets and TV ratings, though those are considerations for any business owner.

Part of the reason I liked the Angels as a fit for Ohtani, beyond helping to get Trout and a bubble team to the playoffs, is that they appeared most likely to benefit from left-handed lineup help.

The following are left-handed batters who accumulated more than 100 plate appearances against right-handed pitching last season for the Angels: Kole Calhoun, Cliff Pennington, Ben Revere, and Luis Valbuena.

The Angels ranked 27th in wRC+ (93) by left-handed hitters against right-handed pitching last season. The Angels’ left-handed hitters ranked 25th in home runs (51) and 27th in on-base percentage (.317) against right-handed pitchers. The Angels could use more left-handed power — particularly now that they’ve reduced the height of their right-field wall, increasing home runs there by a projected 8.5%, according to MLB.com:

Ohtani is now the club’s top left-handed power source.

The belief that Ohtani can hit seemed to be growing when this reporter visited Tempe, which is albeit a biased place to gather opinions on Ohtani’s hit tool. Yet, it’s also the place with the most exposure to Ohtani’s bat to date.

“He’s got all the measurables, tangibles, everything,” Hinske told FanGraphs. “He commands the [strike zone]. His frame alone, how big he is, the mechanics of the swing are very good. He does a good job of putting it all together and working on it when he can.”

Can he be an above-average offensive contributor?

“I believe so, for sure,” Hinske said. “He has all the talent and want… [In the swing], I look for separation, foot down, lower half leading to the ball, and he does it all correctly. He has a good approach. We have to see what happens. Everyone can talk about it all they want. But until we get to game action, we’ll have to wait and find out.”

Upton learned that the Angels had won the Ohtani sweepstakes while shopping at a Scottsdale mall back in December with his wife and daughter.

“It kind of popped up on my phone. I was pretty pumped up,” Upton told FanGraphs. “I just turned my phone to my wife. My wife is a big [baseball] fan. She said, ‘That’s pretty crazy.’ My wife was pretty into it.”

Like all the rest of the baseball industry, Upton was intrigued with Ohtani. But he’s had the rare position to be able to compare the hype with actual first-person accounts of Ohtani.

How would he grade the power?

“I’m not a scout but from the eye test I’d say in the 65 range,” said Upton, employing the 20-to-80 scale. “I’d put myself in a similar category.”

Upton also praised Ohtani’s work ethic and swing mechanics. “He is very disciplined in his fundamentals and mechanics,” Upton said.

Upton did tap the brakes. He acknowledged that plenty of challenges await this dual-threat prospect, and Upton feels it would be unfair to draw conclusions during Ohtani’s first year in the majors.

“After playing for a while, I know this league is about how much pitching you see,” Upton said. “How many reps you get. I think the only snag he might run into is how many at-bats he gets and how often he gets those at-bats consistently. Just from the eye test, I think his swing translates, and with him being so young, he’s going to get better with age. In BP, his power to all fields is pretty impressive. A lot of people have pull-side power, but he’ll hit balls out to the opposite field on a line. [During] some of the windy days, he’s been cutting the ball to the opposite field, which you don’t see very often.”

Ohtani drove a ball in game action to the opposite field Monday:

Upton’s thoughts suggest Ohtani ought to see as many at-bats as possible in 2018 with greater production to come in 2019. Though if he struggles as a rookie, sticking with Ohtani the Hitter could run in conflict with a team that has postseason aspirations.

“He obviously has to come here and make a name for himself,” Upton said.

And to do that, to be a transcendent figure in the sport, Ohtani’s going to have to hit. And maybe he can.





A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.

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tb.25
8 years ago

Thought the title of this article was “The Growing Belief in Ohtani’s Lower Half”

“I look for separation, foot down, lower half leading to the ball, and he does it all correctly.”

Based on the quotes in the article, there is that belief.

bawfuls
8 years ago

super unimportant nitpick:

“Ninety-six years after Ruth last regularly pitched”

Ruth made 15 starts in 1919 and threw 133.1 innings. He made 5 more pitching appearances the rest of his career, never more than one start or 9 IP in a season. Fair to say he last regularly pitched 99 years ago.

pc0121
8 years ago

Travis, I enjoy all of your articles and I really don’t mean to nitpick, but why do you feel the need to (sometimes) flip to the third person and refer to yourself as “this author”?

You write, “But this author suspects his bat might be underrated” in one paragraph, only to use the pronoun “I” in the next and all subsequent paragraphs. I suspect that you’re trying to be stylistic here (or humble, perhaps), but if that’s the case, you should stick to one or the other.

Otherwise, it was a fine article, as always.

lukey1980
8 years ago
Reply to  pc0121

“I really don’t mean to nitpick”. Proceeds to nitpick HARD.

Dieter Von Wolfhausen
8 years ago
Reply to  pc0121

most annoying comment i’ve read on this site

Seattle Homer
8 years ago

Then you must be new here.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago

You don’t get a 1000 ops in japan if you can’t hit. He will definitely hit some but I’m not a huge fan of the bat. Swing is kinda long and not super quick, might struggle with velo. Also already had contact issues in japan.

Power is real though and he has a good eye. I could see him being like a chris carter type batting 230 but with 35 hr full season pace (probably low 20s with his playing time.

I don’t see him busting completely and he will be a lot better than bumgarner (a frequent comparison) but while it would be amazing if he gets to a 105 wrc+ with 22 hr in 400 PAs how much extra value is there? Sure you basically save a roster spot but if that guy is a dh that doesn’t help that much. Almost any team could piece together a 105 wrc+ at dh.

tung_twista
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

Value in terms of baseball wins? Not so much.
Value in terms of media attention, attendance and merchandise? Quite a lot.

Seattle Homer
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

“Almost any team could piece together a 105 wrc+ at dh.”

You must not have been a Mariners fan during the decade or so between Edgar Martinez and Nelson Cruz. 🙁

tb.25
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

“Almost any team could piece together a 105 wrc+ at dh.”

Only three of the 15 AL teams in 2017 did that.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=dh&stats=bat&lg=al&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=1&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

AngelsLakersFan
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

I’d think if he can establish both his arm and his bat in the big leagues, and perhaps be open to playing some outfield over the next 6 years I can see a National League team seeing a ton of value here when he hits FA.

a 105 wRC+ on the mound has considerable value, plus his ability to pinch hit or fill in out in the field could be huge.

For the Angels he’ll probably have the most value when they play on the road in NL parks.

Paul22
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

Exactly 3 teams had over a 101 wRC+ at DH last year

WARrior
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85
WoundedSprinterMember since 2018
8 years ago

“He’s got all the measurables …” but, y’know, his hitting can only really be measured against MLB pitchers.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m a romantic. I truly want to see a reincarnation of the Babe, without the tantrums. And Ohtani profiles close to that.

But we’re in uncharted territory here. No two-way college star lasts even as far as AAA.

Ohtani is a bargain on either side of the ball, and possibly a star on either side of the ball. But the issue here is … there’s no actual way to predict the outcomes. Pitching? Super. Athletic hitter? Super.

Both? We have no baseline to compare.

(And for what it’s worth, I hope he pounds Ruth into the ground.)

Paul22
8 years ago

My concern with Ohtani is the Angels handling him. They don’t seem to have bought into the idea he can do both. He simply is not getting the AB against live pitching to transition and hit MLB pitching. 12 PA in 2 weeks is not cutting it. He needs at least 80 PA heading into the regular season and not allowing him to hit on days he pitches or the day before and after and on his between start workouts is going to kill him at the plate in the regular season.

Stop babying him and let him play. He has been doing it awhile already

WARrior
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul22

If it’s any consolation, Trout, who of course doesn’t have to balance PA with pitching appearances, has only a few more PA to date.

Shirtless George Brett
8 years ago

He’s 23 now. He should still be several years away from entering his physical prime. He should still be improving.

Is this really true? I seem to remember a fangraphs article a few years ago that studied aging curves and basically found that hitters start to decline almost as soon as they enter the league. Which tends to indicate their “prime” is their early 20’s.

Unless you are strictly talk his actual physical prime and that he might still fill out. That I could see a bit.

EDIT: Found it. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/

Its probably a bit more nuanced than I put it but still seems to indicate that his prime is not several years away.

LHPSU
8 years ago

As mentioned in the comments to that article, the sample size available for very young players is a major concern.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
8 years ago

Ohtani is a pitcher first, so I think he’s given some wiggle room to struggle with the bat. He’ll be a success regardless of how he hits if he pitches well in 2018. That said, I think that can be a positive for him. He’s not fighting for a roster spot with his bat, he’s simply just battling for extra PA’s.

Psychic... Powerless...
8 years ago

Good stuff, Travis.

carterMember since 2020
8 years ago

No penis jokes? Come on ESPN you’ve let me down.

crazycrabMember since 2017
8 years ago

“My wife is a big [baseball] fan”

Why was baseball inserted?

southie
8 years ago

This article was a few days early. Scouting reports flowing in have not been kind to his chances of being even league average as a hitter.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  southie

It was weird when I read this and then read Jeff Passan’s piece where scouts are panning his hitting.

https://sports.yahoo.com/verdict-shohei-ohtanis-bat-not-good-023611674.html

I think the real problem isn’t what he is today, but that he won’t get enough practice/seasoning to really solve his flaws. If he gave up pitching he could move to right field and probably turn into a decent hitter, but he needs a lot of at bats to get up to speed against MLB pitching that he won’t get. And since he has a chance to be an all-world starting pitcher I don’t think that’s going to happen soon.

Ucaimaman
8 years ago
Reply to  southie

I saw one article critical of his ability to hit a curveball. The example they used was a Kershaw curve he whiffed on. This is pretty harsh – how many lefty batters can hit Kershaw’s curve (especially a rookie facing him for the first time)?